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Reply #15 - Mar 28th, 2017 at 6:12am
 
Notice how the Lefties all concentrate on only HALF the problem  - the SPENDING ?

If you don't work and earn some money then you can't buy something at a shop.

It is the same with a country.

That is why Malcolm is concentrating on building up exports to EARN money for Australia and spending on building infrastructure which is vital for the efficient operation of business.

That is why the invidious vile Greenie economic vandals are such a pernicious untreated flesh eating disease as they try to STOP Australia from EARNING money by trying to sabotage our power system to reduce Australia to a 4th world economy just like SA is already with its crippled power system which is now so unstable it falls over at the drop of a hat.

The vital difference between the Lib borrowing and the Socialist Labor borrowing is that the Libs are spending it on essential infrastructure whereas the Socialist Labor economic imbeciles wasted it on useless Socialist Stupidity during the six sick years of Socialist insanity.

The more money Australia earns from exports the better placed it is to be able to AFFORD to pay the unsustainable unproductive Socialist Welfare.

But the Socialist indoctrinated Lefties will NEVER be able to understand this as their economic imbecile heroes'  "solution" is to
borrow BORROW
BORROW
and plunge Australia even deeper into debt just like they did during the six sick years of Socialist insanity.

And the IMF is waiting just around the corner to seize control of Australia and forcibly impose the UN One world Govt Agenda 2030 to reduce ALL Australia to a wasteland with Greenie drongos sitting under trees weaving baskets just like the Dark People when they first INVADED Australia.
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Reply #16 - Mar 28th, 2017 at 6:45am
 
juliar wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 6:12am:
Notice how the Lefties all concentrate on only HALF the problem  - the SPENDING ?

If you don't work and earn some money then you can't buy something at a shop.

It is the same with a country.

That is why Malcolm is concentrating on building up exports to EARN money for Australia and spending on building infrastructure which is vital for the efficient operation of business.

That is why the invidious vile Greenie economic vandals are such a pernicious untreated flesh eating disease as they try to STOP Australia from EARNING money by trying to sabotage our power system to reduce Australia to a 4th world economy just like SA is already with its crippled power system which is now so unstable it falls over at the drop of a hat.

The vital difference between the Lib borrowing and the Socialist Labor borrowing is that the Libs are spending it on essential infrastructure whereas the Socialist Labor economic imbeciles wasted it on useless Socialist Stupidity during the six sick years of Socialist insanity.

The more money Australia earns from exports the better placed it is to be able to AFFORD to pay the unsustainable unproductive Socialist Welfare.

But the Socialist indoctrinated Lefties will NEVER be able to understand this as their economic imbecile heroes'  "solution" is to
borrow BORROW
BORROW
and plunge Australia even deeper into debt just like they did during the six sick years of Socialist insanity.

And the IMF is waiting just around the corner to seize control of Australia and forcibly impose the UN One world Govt Agenda 2030 to reduce ALL Australia to a wasteland with Greenie drongos sitting under trees weaving baskets just like the Dark People when they first INVADED Australia.



Australia doesn't 'earn' money from exports - all that is, is a reflection of the balance of trade, and does not accrue money to the government or the people - but only to the companies who may or may not pay taxes here.......the alleged trickle down from business to government does not currently out-weigh the cost of this 'infrastructure' or the tax concessions you are discussing - and so that is one clear reason THIS government is borrowing on a massive scale - to fund business that is doing little to nothing to create employment or even pay its way.   Lips Sealed

The IMF is already running the show here by holding the reins of cash - where did you learn reasoning and logic?
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Reply #17 - Mar 28th, 2017 at 6:52am
 
Why not just move to a Final Solution of the Pensioner Problem?

Social Security is 3% of GDP - no problem except in the mouths of Liberal politicians who wish to make out that pensions etc are ruining the country - when the truth is that it is their policies and spending that are ruining this country.
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Reply #18 - Mar 28th, 2017 at 7:17am
 
lets not mince around.

members of society , since time began, are expected to contribute in order to have value.

there is no "reality" in which being a "taker" is a behaviour which is good for the individual or good for the society.

telling people that they are entitled to 'take" is a message that will see society go into a tailspin.

sure, little infants, mothers about to give birth and the very old and frail, and those occupying a hospital bed all need to be looked after compassionately.

But if you are healthy enough to tow a caravan around, as a "grey nomad" then you should be "mentally healthy enough" to go pick fruit and veges or look after children or do some volunteer work and not be an "entitled little toxic worm who just wants to pleasure yourself".  and if you dont come to this realisation yourself, then the government certainly shouldnt pander to your utterly deplorable and repulsive laziness
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Reply #19 - Mar 28th, 2017 at 7:23am
 
http://nationalseniors.com.au/be-informed/news-articles/oecd-report-reveals-how-...

"An international report analysing pension rates, financial sustainability and the adequacy of the income has delivered a mixed scorecard for Australia.

The Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD)’s 2015 Pensions at a Glance report highlights the pension reforms undertaken by OECD and G20 countries over the past two years.

Australia spends 3.5 per cent of GDP on old age and survivor benefits, compared to the OECD average of 7.9 per cent.

By comparison, New Zealand spends 4.9 per cent, the United Kingdom 5.6 per cent and the United States 6.7 per cent.

National Seniors chief executive Michael O'Neill said comparing very different pension systems from across the developed world was challenging.

“In terms of sustainability, the report confirms that Australia spends substantially less than the OECD average on pensions, and in fact, our pension spend has dropped and plateaued since 2000,” O’Neill said.

“Against other countries, our proportion of pensioners living below the poverty line is startling.

“To be fair, however, this is measured against Australia’s median income which is quite high by world standards.

O’Neill said the most vulnerable groups were single women, the over-75s and renters.

“During their working years, many older Australians missed out on superannuation and the employment-linked nature of superannuation means women who’ve raised families or were paid less are worse off.

“For example, in 2012, the average balance for a woman was $105,000; for a man, it was $197,000.

“Pensioners who don’t own their own home are also doing it tough and are at the whim of a crippling private rental market.”
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Reply #20 - Mar 28th, 2017 at 7:25am
 
Aussie wrote on Mar 27th, 2017 at 9:27pm:
Here is a real life example of this pensioner problem.  I've mentioned several times about my neighbour widow undergoing chemo for very advanced breast cancer which may well lead into mastectomy.  She is 74.  She has a multitude of health ailments including having a pace maker she calls 'Elvis.'  She is a Presley obsessive from way back.

She is now suffering from very serious depression.

Her only viable family support is her 52 year old daughter who works like a dog in a place north east of Perth.  She left her job and 20 year old daughter to come over to 'look after' neighbour.  Said job was paying her $1600.00 net per week.

Daughter gets here and tries for a Carer's pension and is given a CentreLink brush off.

So, Widow Neighbour pays Daughter $13,000.00 to stay here to look after her.  She is in a 'nut house' dealing with the depression, and also having the chemo.

The depression is heightened because the Neighbour reckons she is 'running out of money.'  So......today....with Daughter (who has Power of Attorney,) at her request, I drive to Brisbane to see the Accountant who has been managing the Neighbour's financials.  The object was to find out exactly what the position was.

So.....turns out, this is what she has:

1.  Totally unencumbered House/Place of Residence if sold would probably net her $800,000.00.

2.  $175,000.00 in investments readily convertable to cash.

3.  Pension of $400.00 pw.

4.  From that $175,000.00 investment, Accountant has been paying her $1500.00 a month.

5.  That means she has a weekly 'income' of about $750.00, with the investment dwindling to zero after about ten years.

6.  She is distressed out of her mind with all that is going on.

Well, you 'tards...what do you reckon?


Is she in the marriage market?  Smiley
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Reply #21 - Mar 28th, 2017 at 7:27am
 
aquascoot wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 7:17am:
lets not mince around.

members of society , since time began, are expected to contribute in order to have value.

there is no "reality" in which being a "taker" is a behaviour which is good for the individual or good for the society.

telling people that they are entitled to 'take" is a message that will see society go into a tailspin.

sure, little infants, mothers about to give birth and the very old and frail, and those occupying a hospital bed all need to be looked after compassionately.

But if you are healthy enough to tow a caravan around, as a "grey nomad" then you should be "mentally healthy enough" to go pick fruit and veges or look after children or do some volunteer work and not be an "entitled little toxic worm who just wants to pleasure yourself".  and if you dont come to this realisation yourself, then the government certainly shouldnt pander to your utterly deplorable and repulsive laziness



What about physically healthy enough to pick fruit and veg?  Even I, tough as I am, am steadily becoming more and more prey to arthritis and upper GI troubles that are pure agony.... and VERY debilitating.  No way I could go pick fruit and veg - but I can take a caravan around.

As an example - taking a bag of insulation around half the house and downhill to the garage causes serious pain.... I look terrific for my age, I'm told - and people challenge me on my right to a disability parking permit... can't walk the distance without pain...
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Reply #22 - Mar 28th, 2017 at 7:27am
 
juliar wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 6:12am:
Notice how the Lefties all concentrate on only HALF the problem  - the SPENDING ?



that's probably because the topic is PENSIONERS. you  idiot  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #23 - Mar 28th, 2017 at 7:28am
 
The Grappler merely confirms the Lefties don't have a clue how the economy actually works.

It is not borrow BORROW
BORROW
spend SPEND
SPEND
!!!!


Even tho Shorty, the unions, the Greenies, the ABC Socialist Propaganda Station, etc assure the naive gullible Lefties that's all there is to it.

To briefly clarify. The sick Socialist Labor economic imbeciles borrowed vast sums from OVERSEAS lenders who require to be paid back in THEIR currency.

So, for Australia to repay Labor's humungeous debt, Australia has to EARN foreign currency from EXPORTS. This is why a positive Trade Balance is SO important and is being actively pursued by the Lib Govt.

To try to repay Labor's humungeous debt with existing Australian currency is self destructive Socialist style stupidity.

So if a country wants to BUY something then it first has to EARN money.

So if a country wants to BORROW money from OVERSEAS then it has to EARN money from OVERSEAS to repay the loan.

it is all just so simple.

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Reply #24 - Mar 28th, 2017 at 7:33am
 
Mr Smith is getting cranky again because the paw soal just cannot understand this economic mumbo jumbo and so he has a go at that annoying poster who insists on posting the horrible TRUTH.

Calm down Mr Smith you are suffering from brain strain.
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Reply #25 - Mar 28th, 2017 at 7:37am
 
juliar wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 7:33am:
Mr Smith is getting cranky again because the paw soal just cannot understand this economic mumbo jumbo and so he has a go at that annoying poster who insists on posting the horrible TRUTH.

Calm down Mr Smith you are suffering from brain strain.



Not sure why you haven't realised it yet, but it's plainly obvious that you're an idiot..
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Reply #26 - Mar 28th, 2017 at 7:43am
 
John Smith wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 7:37am:
juliar wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 7:33am:
Mr Smith is getting cranky again because the paw soal just cannot understand this economic mumbo jumbo and so he has a go at that annoying poster who insists on posting the horrible TRUTH.

Calm down Mr Smith you are suffering from brain strain.



Not sure why you haven't realised it yet, but it's plainly obvious that you're an idiot..


And you?
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Reply #27 - Mar 28th, 2017 at 7:43am
 
juliar wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 7:28am:
The Grappler merely confirms the Lefties don't have a clue how the economy actually works.

It is not borrow BORROW
BORROW
spend SPEND
SPEND
!!!!


Even tho Shorty, the unions, the Greenies, the ABC Socialist Propaganda Station, etc assure the naive gullible Lefties that's all there is to it.

To briefly clarify. The sick Socialist Labor economic imbeciles borrowed vast sums from OVERSEAS lenders who require to be paid back in THEIR currency.

So, for Australia to repay Labor's humungeous debt, Australia has to EARN foreign currency from EXPORTS. This is why a positive Trade Balance is SO important and is being actively pursued by the Lib Govt.

To try to repay Labor's humungeous debt with existing Australian currency is self destructive Socialist style stupidity.

So if a country wants to BUY something then it first has to EARN money.

So if a country wants to BORROW money from OVERSEAS then it has to EARN money from OVERSEAS to repay the loan.

it is all just so simple.



Country isn't earning the money - businesses are earning the money and then offshoring it without pay their full duty of tax.... this policy direction is a lose-lose for this nation and any other which do the same.

Perfectly simple -  'balance of trade' does not equate to earnings of this government on behalf of its people.
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Reply #28 - Mar 28th, 2017 at 7:45am
 
I've actually studied Economics, which is why I can define these things... simple enough.
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Reply #29 - Mar 28th, 2017 at 7:46am
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 7:43am:
Country isn't earning the money - businesses are earning the money and then offshoring it without pay their full duty of tax.... this policy direction is a lose-lose for this nation and any other which do the same.

Perfectly simple -  'balance of trade' does not equate to earnings of this government on behalf of its people.



to make matters worse, not only are they not paying their duties, we're now talking off handing over $1B to certain companies which they will immediately transfer to an offshore tax haven and write it off, never to be seen again. Cheesy Cheesy
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