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Amazing Fairfax "Poll" raises Shorten from dead
Mar 27th, 2017 at 7:05am
 
What else could be expected ? A Fairfax biased Lefty "Poll" opens Shorten's coffin to try to breathe life back into the Shorten cadaver.




Support for Turnbull government plummets in new poll
Source: AAP 27 MAR 2017 - 4:44 AM  UPDATED 1 HOUR AGO

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Australia's Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull (AAP)

A new opinion poll has shown the Turnbull government is trailing Labor by 10 points, just one week after another poll showed a bounce for the coalition.

Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull will be under renewed leadership pressure with a new opinion poll showing the coalition's support crashing.

Labor has taken a 10-point lead over the coalition, with 55-45 on a two-party preferred basis, according to the Fairfax-Ipsos poll published on Monday

If an election were held last weekend, the government would have lost 24 seats.

The poll shows Mr Turnbull's personal approval rating has also dived to 40 per cent, but he still narrowly leads against opposition leader Bill Shorten as preferred prime minister.

The nationwide poll of 1400 people, conducted from Wednesday to Saturday last week, follows the West Australian Liberal party's disastrous state election result a fortnight ago.

A Newspoll in The Australian last Monday showed Labor leading the coalition 52-48 per cent on a two-party basis, with the coalition's primary vote rising three points to 37 per cent over the previous three weeks.

The Fairfax-Ipsos poll comes as there's talk of a reshuffle in the Turnbull government.

Deputy Liberal leader Julie Bishop on Sunday fully backed Mr Turnbull as a "can-do" prime minister who would take the coalition to the next election.

She said Mr Turnbull had her support and that of the "vast majority" of the party room to stay on as prime minister.

Mr Turnbull used poor opinion polls as his reasoning to challenge then prime minister Tony Abbott for the leadership.

Parliament resumes this week before breaking until the May 9 budget.

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2017/03/27/support-turnbull-government-plumme...
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Reply #1 - Mar 27th, 2017 at 7:14am
 
IPSOS, Essential and Newspoll are ALL in the 53–55 to 47–45 range.

The Libs are divided, incompetent, try to implement policies that are widely unpopular and throughly deserve even less than 45 and if this years Budget is as crap as the last three we will see all the polls head for 60:40.

Surely there must be some Libs who see the harm their Party is doing and give their support (with conditions etc) to Labor so a competent government can be sworn in.

The NBN is a mess.

The Libs have no energy policy, no plans for replacements for Hazelwood and the other coal fired generators that have reached the end of their economic life.

The economy is a mess with savings being raided and debt being used just to get by. Attacks on the sick, the young, the unemployed and the old to balance the Budget are not working. The penalty rates decision by FWC unless legistated not to be implemented is going to cause a hit to the economy and the Budget.

And all the Libs are concerned about? Clause 18c!
The stinking Libs are no better than bloody traitors to the people!
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Reply #2 - Mar 27th, 2017 at 7:20am
 
And reality suggests the Fairfax "Poll" is as rigged as Shorty's permanent scowl.

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Every, slurp slosh slop, dog has his day. Goddamn that dog with the squashed in head is Goddamn ugly.



Company tax support good news for Malcolm Turnbull and no slam dunk for Labor
by The Australian Financial Review Mar 27 2017 at 12:30 AM  Updated Mar 27 2017 at 12:30 AM

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Something to work with: Malcolm Turnbull's political fortunes may have brightened. Brendon Thorne

After days of apparent equivocation, Malcolm Turnbull told AFR Weekend on Saturday that his government would not retreat on its central growth and job plan – cutting the 30 per cent corporate tax cut to 25 per cent over a decade – even if rebuffed by the Senate over the next fortnight.

This morning The Australian Financial Review can report some encouraging news. Despite months of Labor's populists attacks, the latest Fairfax Ipsos poll shows that the Prime Minister and his Treasurer at least have something to work with.

According to the poll, 44 per cent of Australians support a long-term company tax cut, while 39 per cent oppose it and 17 per cent aren't sure. It's not majority support. But it's not the slam dunk for Labor that conventional political wisdom suggests.

In fact, for all of Labor's scare campaign about a $50 billion tax cut to big business and the Prime Minister handing out money to his rich mates, foreign multi-nationals and the dastardly banks, voters are willing to listen to the argument that Australia will struggle to compete for global capital while it taxes company profits more highly than key competitor economies.

For all the complaints about the corporate sector not pulling its tax weight, Australia's tax collection relies much more on company taxation than any other OECD economy other than oil rich Norway, as outlined in the the first paper from Tony Shepherd's budget and economic review supported by the Menzies Research Center.

That matters for a medium-sized capital importing country such as Australia which has always relied on foreign investment to build its economy. A decade ago, Australia's 30 per cent rate was middle of the pack.

Now it is well above the global average of less than 24 per cent. And both the US and the UK are headed toward further cutting their headline rates.

Opposition leader Bill Shorten and his Treasury spokesman Chris Bowen know all this: they've actually argued it before. Now they've changed their tune, they have no economic growth strategy at all, apart from empty platitudes of the benefits of spending more on education and health.

While Mr Turnbull's political fortunes have brightened in the past few weeks, the Fairfax Ipsos poll is a reminder of the challenge posed by Mr Shorten's mix of potent mixture of big government ideology and scare-the masses populism. The government lags Labor 55:45 on a two-party preferred basis and the Prime Minister's personal support has ebbed.

Labor's plan for fixing the budget mess it left behind relies heavily on increasing taxes, mostly on the nation's wealth creators. Yet the Fairfax Ipsos poll shows that, despite the publicity, Australia's remain cool on Labor's calls to increase the tax burden on property investors, such as through negative gearing and capital gains tax rules. Only 35 per cent of voters support tightening the tax concessions for property investors.


For both company and housing taxes, the political challenge that neither side will tackle is to come up with a larger tax reform package that sharpens the incentives to work, save, invest and employ.

Australia will not grow its way out of Labor's budget mess by penalising capital formation more heavily than relevant competitor economies. Some tightening of generous tax concessions for property investment would help direct Australia's scarce savings toward its most productive end and away from speculation, even if the best response to worsening housing affordability is to remove barriers to the supply of housing.

Yet Labor will still sniff a political advantage in the Fairfax Ipsos poll findings that 66 per cent of Australians don't think that reducing ultra-high penalty rates for working on Sundays and public holidays will encourage more business to open on those days – even if the Fair Work Commission and the objective evidence suggests they will.

This is the sort of popular preference that populism thrives upon and which Mr Turnbull and Mr Morrison must turn around.



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Reply #3 - Mar 27th, 2017 at 7:23am
 
Don’t be silly, YouLiar, all three polls are at 55:45.

The Libs are inept, incompetent, pushing unpopular policies. They are getting what that deserves. Mal has squandered all the goodwill he had when he replaced the clown tony abbott by pandering to the dickheads on the far right of his Party.

People had hopes for turdfull but he has spat in their faces.
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Reply #4 - Mar 27th, 2017 at 7:27am
 
And the MM comes out for a stir - to Hell with the FACTS.
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Reply #5 - Mar 27th, 2017 at 7:31am
 
juliar wrote on Mar 27th, 2017 at 7:27am:
And the MM comes out for a stir - to Hell with the FACTS.

I posted the facts!

Essential Research asks more questions than just Party support.

The policies the Libs are pushing—not wanted by the vast bulk of the people.

The perceptions of Lib v Lab—the Libs LEAD in all negative indicators (out of touch, divided, autocratic etc) and are BEHIND in all positive aspects. The polls just reflect this.

The Lib govt:
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Reply #6 - Mar 27th, 2017 at 7:32am
 
The facts are your gone next election
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Reply #7 - Mar 27th, 2017 at 7:37am
 
Its time wrote on Mar 27th, 2017 at 7:32am:
The facts are your gone next election


Yes, Labor will win the next election in an unprecedented wipeout. We know from the 1998 and 2013 elections a huge preponderance of seats almost guarantees a win in the next election John useless Howard only got 48.5% of the vote in 1998 yet managed to hang on.

So Labor is assured of winning in 2022 as well.

Is going to be hard to fix the complete pigs breakfast the Libs have made of everything!
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Reply #8 - Mar 27th, 2017 at 7:37am
 
only an idiot would be amazed by it.

For everyone else it's more of what they've been hearing for ages.
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Reply #9 - Mar 27th, 2017 at 7:47am
 
And the lying denying Lefties come out from under the floorboards screeching "We love Bill!!!".

And while their hero Bill lies in his coffin trying to go to sleep Mal is out there where it matters fixing Australia's vital energy crisis caused by the vile Greenie economic vandals supported by Bill the Dill.







Malcolm Turnbull orders national review of electricity prices
Adam Gartrell MARCH 27 2017 - 12:15AM

The Turnbull government is giving the consumer watchdog sweeping powers to conduct a major review of retail electricity prices.

Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull has directed the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission to conduct an inquiry into electricity retailer behaviour as well as contracts offered to residential and business customers.

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Watchdog to examine power prices amid fears the electricity market is not operating effectively. Photo: AFR

"Competition in retail electricity markets should mean lower prices for residential and business consumers. However, retail electricity markets don't appear to be operating as effectively as they could," Mr Turnbull said.

​"A better deal in electricity is vital to keeping the lights on, delivering cheaper prices to families and businesses and sustaining jobs, particularly the thousands of jobs in our energy intensive industries."

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PM says submissions to Chief Scientist Alan Finkel (pictured) highlighted concern about recent power price increases. Photo: AFR

Mr Turnbull will use the announcement to turn the political focus back to energy policy during the final week of Parliament before the May budget.

The government has issued the directive under a special section of competition law that gives the ACCC the power to demand information. That will make it easier to find out what's going on in the market and to assess whether there is a case for further intervention or use of the ACCC's broader enforcement powers, the Prime Minister said.

The terms of reference provided to the ACCC will direct them to consider the key cost drivers of retail electricity pricing, any entry barriers in retail markets and whether there is any behaviour preventing or limiting competition.

The watchdog will also consider the profitability of electricity retailers and whether these profits are commensurate with their costs and risks, as well as any wholesale market price, cost or conduct issues relevant to the inquiry.

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Malcolm Turnbull has ordered an ACCC review of electricity prices Photo: Getty Images

It will also assess other impediments to consumer choice including the "transparency and clarity" of contracts.

Mr Turnbull said recent work by a number of organisations had highlighted significant concern about recent price increases on the east coast, as had some submissions to Chief Scientist Alan Finkel's review of the energy market.

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Tripling of mining royalties won't impact electricity prices, treasurer Scott Morrison says. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

In a December report the Australian Energy Market Commission said residential electricity prices would rise over the next two years driven largely by significant wholesale cost increases following the closure of the Hazelwood coal-fired power station.

However, the commission said it could not separately report on the retail component of residential electricity prices because of the difficulty in quantifying retail costs, which would require information gathering powers.

The ACCC inquiry will be given until June 2018 to issue its final report but will be expected to deliver preliminary findings within the next six months.

The ACCC will work closely with the Australian Energy Market Commission and the Australian Energy Regulator.

The government will use the review to consider what further action should be taken to ensure markets are truly competitive and consumers can have confidence in the reliability, security and pricing of supply, Mr Turnbull said.

Experts have called on the government to look seriously at an emissions intensity scheme to make Australia's electricity supply more stable - and potentially bring down prices.

However the government last year ruled out such a scheme, which would m
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Reply #10 - Mar 27th, 2017 at 7:50am
 
Just shows what many of us say the only true poll is the election day...
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Reply #11 - Mar 27th, 2017 at 7:53am
 
Does anyone read Juliars copy and pastes?  Well I dont.

She may as well just post her comment and save server space!

Then again she may as well just post a full stop and leave it at that. Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #12 - Mar 27th, 2017 at 7:53am
 
Poor roach, his beloved libs are riding for a fall and deservedly so!
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Reply #13 - Mar 27th, 2017 at 8:04am
 
The lying denying looney Lefties are in turmoil as they are hit with FACTS that they are not vaccinated against and so they are aghast.

But the cunning Malcolm is guiding the winning party that actually runs the country in a businesslike way to the next election stunning victory.

U can almost smell the lefties squirm as they gaze wistfully at Bill's upturned face lying in the coffin.

Actual BACKED up FACTS are FAR MORE convincing that just meaningless hot wind oozing out of uninformed heavily biased Lefties who don't read the FACTS because they cannot understand them.

Onward Coalition soldiers until the vile Socialist curse is vanquished!!!





Politics Preview

Malcolm Turnbull begins the week with a stark warning from the head of the Abbott government’s audit commission — that Australia’s federal budget is unsustainable and there is serious doubt on the “somewhat heroic” Treasury forecasts of a return to surplus in four years.

Energy remains front and centre of the political debate. The PM and Scott Morrison have ordered the Australian Competition & Consumer Commission to review the electricity sector to get a better deal for consumers. They will announce today their response to the ACCC’s review will consider new measures to improve “reliability, security and pricing”.

It comes as the Turnbull government opens talks with Asian investors to build a coal-fired power station backed by its $5 billion northern Australian fund and as half the nation’s voters endorse the use of taxpayer money to develop the project and improve energy security.

The government wants to focus on its economic message but deep divisions have resurfaced over gay marriage as Liberal senator Dean Smith blasts Peter Dutton’s push for a postal plebiscite, labelling the idea “junk mail”.

Several government MPs who want to reform section 18C say they would accept a watered-down version of the proposed changes in a bid to gain crucial crossbench support from the Nick Xenophon Team, such as a different form of wording to what was signed off by cabinet and the Coalition partyroom last week. But Senator Xenophon says any wording changes are non-negotiable.

And One Nation’s newest senator Peter Georgiou — the brother-in-law of former senator Rod Culleton — will be sworn-in today after recovering from measles.
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Reply #14 - Mar 27th, 2017 at 8:27am
 
This should cause the uninformed of the FACTS Lefties to flameout. Especially after the Lefty rigged "Poll" has just been blown out of the water.

Mal is so far ahead of the stagnating Socialists that it is not even a race.

Clean coal is our goal with some hydro added to taste.





Libs looking to Asia to build new coal-fired power station in north
The Australian David Crowe Political correspondent  Canberra  12:00AM March 27, 2017

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Resources Minister Matt Canavan.
   
The Turnbull government has opened talks with Asian investors to build a coal-fired power station backed by its $5 billion northern Australia fund, as half the nation’s voters endorse the use of taxpayer funds to develop the project and improve energy security.

Resources Minister Matt Canavan is fast-tracking the plan amid a growing fight with Labor and the Greens over support for coal power, as cabinet ministers prepare to decide how to encourage big investors into the market.

Senator Canavan told The Australian there was a “high ­degree of interest” from Asia helping to develop the new power station in northern Queensland, arguing that finance from the Northern Australia Infrastructure Fund would be needed to give the project long-term certainty.

A special Newspoll, conducted exclusively for The Australian, ­reveals that 47 per cent of voters favour the use of federal government funds to help construct a new coal-fired power station to improve energy security, while 40 per cent are opposed and 13 per cent undecided.

Amid a push by environmental groups to block new coalmines and coal-fired power stations, the national survey finds that 35 per cent of Labor voters and 15 per cent of Greens voters support using public funds to ­develop more coal-fired power.

It also shows that 59 per cent of Coalition voters favour public ­financial support for the new power station, lending weight to Malcolm Turnbull’s declaration that coal must be one of the options in a “technology neutral” approach to fixing energy ­security.

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The findings come as the Prime Minister and Scott Morrison crack down on electricity ­retailers in a new move to act on fears about rising prices, ordering the Australian Competition & Consumer Commission to review the sector in order to get a better deal for consumers.

The Prime Minister and Treasurer will announce today that their response to the ACCC’s ­review will consider new measures to improve “reliability, security and pricing” across the sector.

As the imminent close of the ageing Hazelwood power station reignites debate about electricity shortages and price spikes, Labor climate change spokesman Mark Butler has declared there is no support from industry to build new coal-fired power stations in Australia.

The Australian Energy ­Council, which represents companies supplying electricity to 10 million homes, warns it has become “very difficult” to finance coal-fired power stations when investors are ramping up wind and solar projects as well as gas generators that provide baseload power with lower greenhouse gas emissions than coal.

But the government is determined to keep the coal proposal on the agenda by raising the prospect of funding from the northern Australia fund, which is also a potential source of support for the controversial coalmine planned for central Queensland by Indian company Adani.

Senator Canavan said there was “no doubt” of the rudimentary economic and commercial case for a coal-fired power station in northern Queensland but that the government’s challenge was to set the energy market rules to offer certainty.


“There’s clearly a risk of government policy changes in this area, and I think that’s a risk that’s been created by the Labor-Green(s) movement,” he said.

“Until last year there was bipartisan support for the future of coal in Australia but it was last year when Labor supported the Senate inquiry that said we should shut down all coal-fired power stations in Australia. That wasn’t the position of Kevin Rudd or Julia Gillard.

“The decision by Labor and the Greens to move to the radical fringes of our energy debate and turn their back completely on coal, on our second-biggest export, has introduced an element of risk to potential new coal-fired power stations.

“It’s now a sovereign risk and the only people who can get rid of sovereign risks are the sovereigns.”

A Senate inquiry led by a Labor and Greens majority last year argued for an “orderly retirement” of the nation’s coal-fired power stations but the government believes there is strong support in northern Queensland for a new coal project at a time of rising electricity prices.

Senator Canavan is examining options for a new power station near the Adani coalmine in the Galilee Basin, in Collinsville, to add to an existing power station or in Gladstone near an existing power station and taking advantage of transmission lines that are already in place.

The Resources Minister, who is also the Minister for Northern Australia and oversees the infrastructure fund, rejected suggestions that the help for a coal-fired power station would be a “subsidy” that meddled with the market.

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Reply #15 - Mar 27th, 2017 at 8:27am
 
And the lights stay on...


The Resources Minister, who is also the Minister for Northern Australia and oversees the infrastructure fund, rejected suggestions that the help for a coal-fired power station would be a “subsidy” that meddled with the market.

“I wouldn’t characterise it as a subsidy, it’s an investment. Governments for decades have invested in energy infrastructure; all the energy infrastructure in Queensland is owned by the state government,’’ Senator Canavan said.

“It’s not unusual and generally those investments have paid off very well. I think most Australians see the central role of government as being investing in infrastructure — roads, rail and energy.”

Senator Canavan said the investment would be comparable to Mr Turnbull’s decision 10 days ago to offer government support for a $2bn expansion of the Snowy Mountains Hydro-Electric Scheme.

The energy security committee of cabinet is waiting on a report into the electricity market from Chief Scientist Alan Finkel before deciding any changes to the sector, with energy security expected to gain a priority so that baseload power generators — including coal-fired ones — are assured a long-term return.

Senator Canavan is talking to Japanese companies that believe they could transfer their “high efficiency, low emissions” technology to the northern Queensland project.

Mr Butler is warning against the use of taxpayer funds for the rail line to the Adani mine or a new power station, claiming the long-term future for coal is one of decline.

“This is something the coal industry needs to deal with. We’ve said as a federal Labor Party we will not support taxpayers’ money going in to support infrastructure or pay for infrastructure around this (Adani) mine,” he said last week.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/mining-energy/libs-looking-to-asia-to-b...


A few COMMENTS to send the Lefties into orbit

John 2 hours ago
While we have legislation that requires 23.5 % of electricity be supplied by "renewables" by 2020, and wind/solar receive 9 cent/KWh subsidies in addition to the wholesale price of about 5 cents/KWh paid for by higher electricity prices, more coal stations will be shutting down. Yet when the sun isn't shining and the wind isn't blowing, we need base load supplies. But running coal-fired generators on an intermittent basis is uneconomic. The RET is slowly but surely destroying Australia as a place for competitive manufacturing industry - so along with the coal exports go jobs. Where is the ACTU?

SimonTigey 2 hours ago
This sounds great, but its all talk. I will applaud once I see the power station up and running. We here in SA badly need a new coal fired power station, we should be first priority!

Frank 40 minutes ago
@SimonTigey How do you propose to get a new coal fired power station past the approvals process? Your totalitarian government will make sure that never happens.

graham 7 minutes ago
No way Jose, get rid of your toxic government first.

Michael 2 hours ago
It would appear that MT has finally gripped the obvious - Australia needs coal fired base load electricity.
Now he needs to convert his conversion to reality.  Go to tender and get on with building this very necessary project.

graham 23 minutes ago
@Michael Remember the local banks who have been bullied into an anti coal stance won't finance a power station, so it will have to be financed and owned by willing outsiders, apparently the Chinese.

Terence 2 hours ago
Why build a North Qld coal plant over 1,000 miles from main users with massive transmission losses? Optimistically it will cost $2-3 billion plus, certainly if the CFMEU is involved, and won't be online for FIVE years. Talk about politicians ability to mismanage anything, Australia needs the energy now.
As  Hazelwood's power station closes this week, it has been generating 1,400 MW for the last month, not bad for a 53 year old plant, which BTW is more than ALL Australia's wind farms combined generated over the same period.
What is planned to replace Hazelwood's power now? As nothing new is on the table let's hope the wind keeps blowing. MT's thought bubbles are FIVE years away.
We must now prepare for unavoidable and totally unnecessary blackouts.

PR 1 hour ago
@Terence You can't build coal fired power in Vic, Labor won't let you. Industry will have the lotion of moving to QLD,which is better than closing totally

Paul 2 hours ago
Good to see Australia actually use and benefit from one of our biggest exports (coal does have a future!).  At least a part of Qld will have energy security.  If Govt needs to invest in this, great do it.  However, we also have to remove those disincentives for Industry to invest in coal.

GD 5 hours ago
Please, politicians, read Jo Nova's award-winning scientific Australian blog.

Shaun 7 hours ago
If not coal then its nuclear or gas. Make your mind up Labor ( I saw Labor as we need them on side) as Wind and Solar are no go just unsuitable for base load so make the choice now and fast. The first 2GW power station needs to be under construction this year or big trouble. It takes 3 years for gas or 5 years for coal and more for nukes so make the choice now.

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Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 27th, 2017 at 7:37am:
Its time wrote on Mar 27th, 2017 at 7:32am:
The facts are your gone next election


Yes, Labor will win the next election in an unprecedented wipeout. We know from the 1998 and 2013 elections a huge preponderance of seats almost guarantees a win in the next election John useless Howard only got 48.5% of the vote in 1998 yet managed to hang on.

So Labor is assured of winning in 2022 as well.

Is going to be hard to fix the complete pigs breakfast the Libs have made of everything!



We could be in for a new record if Bill gets in, then some stabs him in the back !
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Reply #18 - Mar 27th, 2017 at 8:39am
 
Paw old Redneck is overwhelmed by all these FACTS that are just too hard for a hard core Lefty to understand.

It is much easier to understand Socialist Welfare that is sending Australia broke.

But back to the sound of business flourishing under investment banker Mal's financial genius.





Australian Power Project PM MUSN'T FORGET NORTH QUEENSLAND'S ENERGY CRISIS STILL NEEDS FIXING
News & Current Affairs Thursday 16 March, 2017

The Prime Minister’s $2 billion pledge today to boost the electricity supply coming out of NSW’s Snowy Mountains Scheme is a timely reminder to the people of North Queensland that they have a fight on their hands to secure Federal support for a clean coal power station.

The Federal Government will today unveil plans to build a “Snowy 2.0” to power the equivalent of 500,000 homes and meet electricity demand in NSW and Victoria. The project is expected to drive down electricity costs in NSW and Victoria.

The expansion of the Snowy Hydro System is more than double the size of the 800MW clean coal power station proposed by Townsville Enterprise which has been estimated by GHD to cost $1.778 billion.

CEO of The Australian Power Project Nathan Vass said it’s clear that the battle to win the support of the Prime Minister for a power station in North Queensland is far from over.

“North Queensland desperately needs a clean coal power station to bring stability to wholesale electricity prices which have increased by 168% during the five years to 2017.

“It’s simply not possible for North Queensland businesses to compete with Brisbane based manufacturing companies, let alone those in NSW and Victoria, where wholesale electricity prices are substantially lower.

“In a country like Australia, it’s unacceptable that North Queensland has to pay the additional costs of generating electricity more than 1,300km away in south east and central Queensland.

“North Queensland must today make clear to the Prime Minister that they urgently need a clean coal power station built in the region.

“Countries like Japan, South Korea, America and China are all powering their manufacturing sectors using ultra-super critical power stations, which deliver affordable, reliable power with emissions 30% lower than those typically generated in Australia.

“A report by GHD on the benefits of a Townsville based clean coal power station are compelling. $836 million in local economic benefits and a boost to national income of $2.2 billion.


“North Queenslanders should visit http://www.australianpowerproject.com.au/townsville-petition/ and sign the petition for a locally based clean coal power station.

“It’s clear from the Prime Minister’s announcement today that other parts of Australia are fighting hard for not just his ear, but also his wallet. North Queensland must deliver to the PM the message that while they support him taking action to address power prices in NSW and Victoria, they must not be forgotten,” Nathan Vass said.

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Time is a mere formality in your countdown to electoral oblivion rtards  Smiley
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Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 27th, 2017 at 7:53am:
Poor roach, his beloved libs are riding for a fall and deservedly so!

You need to stop lying about me dopey.... Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Grin Roll Eyes
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LW is still banging away on the lid of the Shorty cadaver coffin.

Don't worry Pauline will fix U up with a nice fruit picking job.
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ahahaha Snowy II

Just a feasibility study, the Libs will never actually invest in it.

Hey Lib lover roach! Must be disconcerting to see the latest IPSOS poll?
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Only 24 seats ? Best you call an election ASAP , will be double that if prolonged   Smiley
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Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 27th, 2017 at 8:49am:
ahahaha Snowy II

Just a feasibility study, the Libs will never actually invest in it.

Hey Lib lover roach! Must be disconcerting to see the latest IPSOS poll?

Oh dear .
You need to start getting a better attitude Monk.
You need to stop lying about me a flaming me.  I know how much you hated it.  One would think you would not do it to others.... 
I don't look at polls Monk...  don't you read what I write.
There is only one poll that counts.
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Much to the Greenies and their Labor puppets horror the real govt is fair dinkum about fixing Australia's real base load energy.

Clean coal is our goal with a sprinkling of hydro where available.




Resources Minister Matt Canavan opens $5 billion infrastructure fund for clean-coal power stations
By political reporter Henry Belot Updated 3 Feb 2017, 11:45am

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Photo: Mr Canavan said he had received interest from energy generators to explore North Queensland. (AAP)

Related Story: Joyce backs future investment in coal-power stations
Related Story: Clean energy cash could fund new coal plants, Morrison says
Related Story: Power prices could double with new coal-fired stations: experts

Resources Minister Matt Canavan has opened the $5 billion Northern Australia Infrastructure Fund to fund new so-called clean-coal power stations.

Key points:
    The Federal Government has invested close to $590 million in clean-coal technology since 2009
    Australia does not have a high-efficiency, low-emission power station
    Prime Minister Turnbull announced the push for more clean-coal technology earlier this week


Senator Canavan's comments come days after Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull said Australian industry had an obligation to be at the forefront of coal technology.

Treasurer Scott Morrison has also not ruled out using money set aside in the Clean Energy Finance Corporation to pay for new generation power stations.

Mr Canavan said he had received interest from energy generators to tap into the billion-dollar investment fund and explore North Queensland.

"I've received some interest over the past week associated with our commitment to build base load power stations, including to support clean coal options," he told ABC AM.

Mr Canavan would not say which companies had expressed interest but said there were viable options near the Galilee Basin and other parts of the state's north.

The Federal Government has invested close to $590 million in clean-coal technology since 2009 but Australia does not have a high-efficiency, low-emission power station.

The Resources Minister cited a 2012 report by industry consultants GHD, which indicated clean-coal power stations could be commercially viable in Australia's north.

"Some people might not realise that in North Queensland there is no base-load power station north of Rockhampton and industrial consumers in north Queensland pay often up to double the prices in southern Queensland," he said.
Why emissions reductions from 'clean coal' remain a pipe dream

There have been massive efforts to attain the holy grail of "clean coal", but the current reality is that it remains a dirty way to produce energy, writes Stephen Long.

"There is certainly and option there and a market there for supply."

Mr Turnbull announced the push for more clean-coal technology earlier this week, which he vowed to make electricity prices and energy security a defining political debate of the year.

But energy experts have also warned power prices for consumers could double, not fall, if new coal power stations are built.

Mr Canavan dismissed comments by some Australia's energy generators — including AGL and Energy Australia — saying new power stations would be expensive to build and require significant public funds.

    "With all respect to those very eminent companies, we wouldn't take advice from Coles or Woolworths on whether we should allow Costco for example to come into the Australian market," Mr Canavan said.

"I am not surprised that existing generators don't want another large-scale base load power station to come into the market, part in an area like North Queensland where they are clearly making good money selling electricity at very high prices.

"Good luck to them and good luck to them in the market."

Bloomberg New Energy finance researcher Leonard Quong said new coal would be the most expensive form of energy supply.

"New coal is made particularly expensive due to the substantial carbon, reputation, trading and construction risks the technology presents to an investor," he said.

The renewed focus on clean-coal has drawn criticism from Labor and the Greens, who have accused the Government of trying to protect "the coal club".

Opposition spokesman for climate change and energy Mark Butler said a preference for coal over renewables would mean higher power bills for Australians.

Greens leader Richard Di Natale said the cleanest form of electricity would remain wind and solar, while raising concerns about the cost of new base-load coal plants.


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Not even the current generators want it

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Grendel wrote on Mar 27th, 2017 at 7:50am:
Just shows what many of us say the only true poll is the election day...

Yes, it is. That doesn't mean opinion polls are irrelevant. The current batch of dire opinion polls for the government will prevent Turnbull from calling an early House-only election to get a more workable majority. There is precedent for this - Menzies 1963.
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Fixed it for you.
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And the Greenie conned naysayers creep out without a clue as to how Australia should get is base load power supply and cheap. All wind and no substance except quoted lying hypocrite Greenie propaganda.

But Mal has agriculture exports going up and up.

The Brazilian beef scare boosts Australian clean beef exports

All while Shorty dozes in his coffin.


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With Mal in charge it is all up and up



Higher returns expected for Australian agriculture in 2016-17, but challenges remain for key industries
ABC Rural By Anna Vidot Posted 20 Sep 2016, 2:30pm

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Photo: National commodity forecaster ABARES releases its latest predictions for Australian agriculture in 2016-17. (ABC Rural: Anna Vidot)

The value of Australia's agricultural production is expected to increase again this year, but beneath strong headline numbers are declining returns for important commodities like beef and dairy.

The Australian Bureau of Agricultural and Resource Economics and Sciences (ABARES) update predicted the gross value of Australian farm production to rise 3 per cent in 2016-17, to $58.4 billion.

That would be a 13 per cent increase on the five-year average.

Strong export returns for crops like sugar (predicted to increase by 21 per cent) and cotton (40 per cent) are driving much of that increase, on the expectation of high global prices and increased local production.

Deflated expectations for milk prices further revised

Good rain in southern cropping regions has contributed to a buoyant outlook for canola, with a prediction that the value of Australia's canola exports will jump by 43 per cent this financial year.

But ABARES revised down its already deflated expectations for farm-gate milk prices by another 2 per cent to 42 cents per litre in this update, its first since Murray Goulburn and Fonterra sparked a domestic dairy crisis by slashing prices.

The national commodity forecaster noted that the global dairy market had shown some early signs of recovery, but that significant challenges, including the Russian embargo on European dairy products, remained in place.

Growth in the value of Australia's livestock sector is expected to stall at around $29.2 billion this year, after a 7.7 per cent increase in 2015-16.

But short supply means it will be hard for graziers to take advantage of those higher prices for beef cattle and sheep, and the value of both beef and mutton exports is expected to decline by 12 per cent and 17 per cent respectively.

Losing market share in China to Brazilian beef

The total value of all Australian agricultural exports is expected to fall slightly to $44 billion this year.

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ABARES chief commodity analyst Trish Gleeson said the lack of beef cattle supply, together with weaker demand in some of Australia's most important beef export markets, is driving that.

    "The United States, for instance, has been rebuilding its herd for a couple of years now and some of that product is finding its way back on to the market," she said.

"Our exports into the United Stated have really benefitted in the last couple of years from the fact that their production was well down.

"In Japan, I think increased production from the United States and increased exports from the United States will be competing with our beef.

"And [regarding recent] very strong exports to China, we're losing market share in China to Brazilian beef."

Beef prices have hovered around the stratosphere all year, but the fall in export value raises questions about whether the peak has passed.

Ms Gleeson said ABARES expected beef prices to come back to the pack in coming years, but it was not anticipating a crash.

"While those prices will come back, they're still very strong and we don't really expect them to come back to where they were just a couple of years ago," she said.

"You've got to remember that the really low prices that we've come out of were because of that massive drought that affected basically all of Queensland and most of NSW, and the increase in turn-off that we had at that time."

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And even the politically correct Bammy is moved to poke the head around the smokescreen of political correctness and display a level of erudition rarely seen.

But ignoring trivialities Mal's financial genius is pulling Australia back from the brink of financial ruin that the economic imbeciles Labor dragged it down to.




   
Australia set for first current account surplus since 1970s
by Jacob Greber  Feb 28 2017 at 5:49 PM Updated Feb 28 2017 at 5:49 PM

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Commodity price gains may have helped improve the current account deficit. Rob Homer

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Mal's financial brilliance getting results

Australia looks set to generate its first current account surplus since the mid-1970s, after an income-boosting surge in resources exports and falling domestic investment resulted in the smallest deficit since the last quarter of 2001.

Speculation is growing that the current quarter will be the first since 1975 in which the value of investment flows and goods and services out of Australia will be larger than the value that entered the country, potentially delivering a major windfall for the government's tax collectors and marginally reducing reliance on offshore investors.

Official Australian Bureau of Statistics data showed the current account deficit narrowed to $3.85 billion from $10.2 billion in the September quarter, helped by a record-breaking 12 per cent surge in exports to $91.8 billion. Imports, by contrast, rose a modest 2 per cent to $87.2 billion.

The figures suggest that income from trade will elevate gross domestic product growth in the current quarter and beyond, after the economy unexpectedly shrank in the September quarter. Separate figures published by the bureau showed government spending was up 1.7 per cent last quarter, adding further support to overall growth.

Economists surveyed by Bloomberg News expect Wednesday's national accounts data to show GDP rose 0.8 per cent in the quarter and 2 per cent from a year earlier.

The trend towards a current account surplus - which also points to relative weakness in domestic investment as well as demand for offshore imports and capital - is set to have continued in the current quarter, given rocketing prices and shipments for iron ore, coal and liquefied natural gas.

Australia almost certainly posted a current account surplus in December, while the first three months of 2017 may also have been positive, said Deutsche Bank economist Adam Boyton.

A near constant feature of life in Australia since the First Fleet - and deeply embedded in official data dating back to 1901 – the current account deficit has long been symptomatic of an economy that has relied on offshore capital to fund domestic investment because of a lack of savings.

In the 1980s the current account was emphasised by then treasurer Paul Keating as symptomatic of a so-called twin deficit - alongside the budget deficit - that threatened to make Australia a "banana republic".

Mr Keating and Treasury used to maintain the idea of a current account "J-curve" - in which a fall in the Australian dollar (which had been floated only a few years earlier) would initially worsen the deficit before it improved.

Those concerns evaporated among economists in the 1990s - alongside the prospect of the current account ever moving into surplus.

It has been in deficit without interruption for every quarter since the June quarter of 1975, and last narrowed to less than $5 billion in the March quarter of 2001.

Predictions of a sustained shift to surpluses after more than two centuries of deficits have emerged repeatedly in recent years on hopes that China's economic growth will continue in years to come, maintaining demand for Australia's exports.

Those hopes were repeatedly dashed as the terms of trade declined from its peak in late 2012.

"The narrowing in the current account deficit - and its possible elimination - has been some time coming," said Mr Boyton. "With commodity prices having bounced over the past six to nine months that starkly narrower current account deficit is with us now.

"Whether this is a long lived or temporary development will depend in large part on the future path of Australia's export commodity prices."

Read more: http://www.afr.com/news/economy/australia-set-for-first-current-account-surplus-...

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Reply #32 - Mar 27th, 2017 at 11:44am
 
When will malcolm hold himself to the same standards he knifed the women basher over and stand down ?

He was blaming the woman basher over the last 55 45, who fault is it now rtards ?  Grin Grin Grin

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LW is totally bamboozled by all these FACTS and so the paw soal retreats to the deliberately misleading rigged "Polls".

LW's intellectual power is awesome.


As usual Shorty's performance in Question Time is abysmal just banging on about penalty rates that he has cut in the past.




DAVID CROWE  2 HOURS AGO | 4.05PM Question Time: things we learned

A deflated government struggled to make its case in Question Time on Monday. From Malcolm Turnbull to the casual interjectors on the backbench, every member of the team performed his or her role but nobody brought any spirit to his or her task. The government plodded through through the session, unable to puncture Labor’s confidence or revive its own.

There were no surprises in Labor’s tactics. Bill Shorten challenged the Prime Minister to justify his tax cuts for big companies when workers are getting a cut to their penalty rates. Tanya Plibersek asked Scott Morrison about his lukewarm support for company tax cuts last week. Chris Bowen suggested the Treasurer stand down and “take a pay cut” over the tax cut. Yet the government had nothing better.

Only when Shorten goaded Turnbull over his “handout” for big business did the government lift its game – more than one hour into Question Time. Turnbull was ready for the mention of big business. In the most energetic answer of the day, he reminded parliament of Shorten’s time at the Australian Workers’ Union and its deals with big employers – including suspect payments from Thiess John Holland, Chiquita Mushrooms and ACI Operations. For good measure he mentioned Unibuilt, which donated $32,000 to Shorten’s election campaign in 2007 when it was dealing with his union.

The government benches enjoyed the moment but Shorten looked unworried. There was nothing in Question Time yesterday for him to worry about.


3 HOURS AGO | 3.19PM   Turnbull questions Shorten on secret payments

Bill Shorten asks Malcolm Turnbull:

“The Prime Minister is giving a $50 billion handout to big business and a tax cut for millionaires on 1 July, whilst supporting pay cuts for nearly 700,000 Australians. Why does the Prime Minister have a plan for big business but always has an excuse to do nothing for Australian workers and their penalty rates?”

Turnbull begins, “The plan for big business that the Opposition Leader has is taking secret payments to the AWU” but is stopped by manager of opposition business Tony Burke, who calls a point of order as the PM has reflected on a member of parliament, which he isn’t supposed to do.

Speaker Tony Smith reminds Turnbull of this rule.

And Turnbull continues:

“We are not going to take lectures from the Labor Party about dealings with big business. They say they are proud of the Leader of the Opposition’s record as a union leader - one secret payment after another. If he was so proud of those payments, why doesn’t he tell the world? Why doesn’t he tell us? Why doesn’t he tell us what they were really for? We know they weren’t for the real matters set out on the invoices. Let him tell us the story. He has a great barrister there, the member for Isaacs. He says he’s especially proud of the Leader of the Opposition, he could get him to make a case, powerful advocate that he is, he could sell anything. We don’t care who presents the fact, but it is time Labor told the truth about these secret payments.”


3 HOURS AGO | 3.02PM A tax cut for millionaires?

Opposition finance spokesman Jim Chalmers takes to the dispatch box:

“Can the Prime Minister confirm that scrapping the deficit levy in the budget will deliver a tax cut of more than $16,000 a year for millionaires? Why does the Prime Minister believe millionaires deserve a tax cut but retail workers should cop a pay cut of up to $77 every week?”

Scott Morrison answers this one.

“The deficit levy, which he knows comes in for an income of 180,000, that’s the top marginal tax rate. On 3AW on the 21st of April 2016, Neil Mitchell asked the Leader of the Opposition a question, he says ‘is $180,000 a year rich?’ The Leader of the Opposition Leader said ‘No it is not’, but it doesn’t stop there. The hypocrisy of those opposite is amazing. If they look at ABC’s Insiders, the shadow treasurer said, ‘We don’t like the this increase in the tax’, talking about the deficit levy, ‘therefore we wouldn’t being support it. We don’t like it and we don’t support it.’ He said Paul Keating started the process of reducing those marginal tax rates to make us more competitive as a nation in a globalised world, that’s the direction we should be heading in. The direction the shadow minister wants to head is in completely the other direction.”
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4 HOURS AGO | 2.39PM   Think of power workers, says PM

Labor has hairdressers and beauticians in its sights. Opposition employment spokesman Brendan O’Connor asks: “On Friday, Labor made a submission to the Fair Work Commission including opposing any view to remove and cut the penalty rates of workers in the hair dressing and beauty industry. Why won’t the Prime Minister admit to the House and to the Australian people that he did absolutely nothing to protect the penalty rates of hairdressers and beauticians?”

Turnbull says Labor should turn its focus to the 450 workers at the Hazelwood power station who are about to lose their jobs.


4 HOURS AGO | 2.29PM   PM on the attack

Shorten wants to know if the government took any action in its submission to the FWC to “stop workers from having their pay cut”. Turnbull ramps up his attack here, defending the commission.

“(Mr Shorten) is denouncing it now. They defended the independent umpire and the grounds of the independent umpire were absolutely sound. They heard the evidence. They listened to the submissions. They concluded there’d be more jobs, more businesses open on Sunday if they brought Sunday rates closer to Saturday rates. That was the decision.

“You would have to ask what was the Leader of the Opposition thinking when he started the inquiry? Did he think the Fair Work Commission was going to increase Sunday penalty rates? I don’t think so. He knew exactly what he was doing, he can’t be trusted. One backflip after another. No integrity, no consistency from that Leader of the Opposition.”


4 HOURS AGO | 2.26PM   Bill’s straight back into penalty rates

And we’re into question time. Bill Shorten has the first question. “Why is the Prime Minister looking after big business with nearly a $50 billion tax handout while doing nothing to stop nearly 700,000 workers having their pay cut?”

Malcolm Turnbull says the Opposition Leader has been visiting businesses in recent days that “desperately need a tax cut”. The PM is calling out Mr Shorten and opposition treasury spokesman Chris Bowen, who once supported company tax cuts.

“What has the Fair Work Commission done? Established by the Labor Party, the personnel chosen by the Labor Party, the reference written by the Labor Party, it has considered all of the evidence that it’s had and it’s concluded that bringing Sunday penalty rates closer to Saturday rates will result in more businesses offering more employment to more Australians. It’s the Fair Work Commission (that’s) decided to back small business, it is the Labor Party that is abandoning small business.”
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55 45 sweet sweet sweet numbers , soon to be 60 40 in favour of Labor
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juliar wrote on Mar 27th, 2017 at 5:09pm:
LW is totally bamboozled by all these FACTS and so the paw soal retreats to the deliberately misleading rigged "Polls".



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Bill will be Labor PM next election , a shoe in certainty  Smiley
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Mr Smith is getting cranky and is getting crude and rude and trying to change the subject by trying to have a go at the very annoying poster who keeps on posting the TRUTH.

Fairfax is propping up a dud with comatose Shorty who is Malcolm's best election winning asset.


Could this be the way to breath life back into the decaying Shorten cadaver ?

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LW,

at least Shorty might SMELL like a well worn shoe.
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juliar wrote on Mar 27th, 2017 at 7:09pm:
Mr Smith is getting cranky and is getting crude and rude and trying to change the subject by trying to have a go at the very annoying poster who keeps on posting the TRUTH.

Fairfax is propping up a dud with comatose Shorty who is Malcolm's best election winning asset.


Could this be the way to breath life back into the decaying Shorten cadaver ?

http://i67.tinypic.com/iqbi47.jpg


Juliar is getting cranky and is getting crude and rude and trying to change the subject by trying to have a go at the very annoying poster who keeps on posting the TRUTH.

Annoying i have to fix Juliar's post.  That's ok - the things we do for truth.
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Oh my Goodness!

My STATUS SYMBOL troll Paw Stunned has ILLEGALLY misquoted another poster!!!!

Don't you Lefties wish YOU had a STATUS SYMBOL troll who admires and envies you so much the Paw Soal follows you around like a lost puppy ?  Good Boy pat pat!!!
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And now there is another Lefty Fairfax "Poll" that is supporting Triggsy style 18c.

Of course the naive gullible Lefties are sucked right in by this Socialist Propaganda.





Fairfax-Ipsos poll: Eight in 10 voters oppose Turnbull government's 18C race hate law changes
Matthew Knott MARCH 27 201 - 11:45PM

An overwhelming majority of Australians oppose legalising speech that "offends, insults or humiliates" on the basis of race, according to a new Fairfax-Ipsos poll that underscores the political danger the Turnbull government faces in softening the nation's race-hate laws.

As the Senate prepares to vote on amendments to section 18C of the Racial Discrimination Act later this week, the poll of 1400 voters shows 78 per cent of Australians believe it should be unlawful to offend, insult or humiliate someone on the basis of their race or ethnicity.

VIDEO: 18C changes lack support

A Fairfax-Ipsos poll reveals a vast majority of voters, including coalition voters, support the existing wording of race-hate laws. Matthew Knott explains.

The government has proposed removing these words from the act and instead making it unlawful to intimidate or harass someone on the basis of race.

The poll shows support for amending section 18C has increased by 10 percentage points since 2014, suggesting the high-profile Queensland University of Technology and Bill Leak cases have undermined support for the law.


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Unconvinced of the need for change: Deng Adut has criticised the government over its plan to amend race hate laws. Photo: James Brickwood

When the same question was asked in 2014 - just weeks after Attorney-General George Brandis said people have a "right to be bigots" - 88 per cent of respondents said it should be unlawful to offend, insult or humiliate someone on the basis of race.

But the vast bulk of voters - including Coalition supporters - remain unconvinced of the need for change.

Seventy-six per cent of respondents who intend to vote for the Coalition said they support retaining the words "offend, insult and humiliate". This compares to 84 per cent of Labor votes and 85 per cent of Greens voters.

The findings appear to confirm Deputy Prime Minister Barnaby Joyce's contention that the issue ignites the passion of a small number of Coalition loyalists but does not resonate with mainstream voters.

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Attorney General George Brandis believes people have a "right to be bigots". Photo: AFR

During last week's party room debate several marginal seat Coalition MPs said watering down the act was a risky move that could damage the Coalition's chances at the next election.

Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull has argued that the act has lost credibility and that the proposal to add the word "harass" would strengthen protections against racist hate speech.


The government's bid to change the wording looks doomed in the Senate however, with the Nick Xenophon Team's three senators saying they do not support the changes.

Australian of the Year finalist Deng Adut, a former South Sudanese child soldier who arrived in Australia as a refugee, said he was deeply concerned by the government's proposals.
"It's outrageous the Senate is thinking about doing this," Mr Adut told Fairfax Media.
"This will be giving a free ticket to racism and telling the whole world we don't care about minorities."

Mr Adut, a partner in a law firm in western Sydney, said he and his friends had been called "f----g' lazy black people" and told to get jobs by an older white man on Bondi Beach.

He said he did not believe Coalition MPs understood how damaging racist speech could be.
"In Australia politicians live very comfortable lives - they aren't the ones on the receiving end [of racism].
"Racism reduces you to a lesser being and that's what this legislation is about.
"It's psychological pain, pyschological injury - it holds people down."

Advocates of change argue the current wording of the act restricts free speech and that "offend" and "insult" are too low a bar for speech to be deemed illegal.

The poll, taken between last Wednesday and Saturday when debate about the government's proposals was raging, showed 22 per cent of male respondents said it should be lawful to offend, insult or humiliate on the basis of race compared to just 12 per cent of women. There was little difference in responses based on age or whether voters live in a capital city or not.


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Essential poll, 54:46 to Labor. Probably means 55:45 with changes to decimal part of support.
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Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 1:21pm:
Essential poll, 54:46 to Labor. Probably means 55:45 with changes to decimal part of support.

It's pretty bad for the Federal Liberals right now when a 52-48 Newspoll that would still point to a decisive Labor victory is seen as an outlier against a swag of 54-46 and 55-45 polls.
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Yeah, especially when 55:45 COULD mean 58:42 based on 3% MoE.

I don’t think it really is 58:42, I am sure it is somewhere between 55–53 to 45–47 with 53:47 more likely as an actual election result.

If this years Budget is not well received, and I cannot see how it would be, the polls will shift another couple of points and an actual election result would be like 54:46.
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Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 3:34pm:
Yeah, especially when 55:45 COULD mean 58:42 based on 3% MoE.

I don’t think it really is 58:42, I am sure it is somewhere between 55–53 to 45–47 with 53:47 more likely as an actual election result.

If this years Budget is not well received, and I cannot see how it would be, the polls will shift another couple of points and an actual election result would be like 54:46.
When more people realise Shorten got his secretary pregnant behind his wife's back his popularity will plummet. Why would anybody believe a thing he says when he broke one of the commandments?
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Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 3:37pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 3:34pm:
Yeah, especially when 55:45 COULD mean 58:42 based on 3% MoE.

I don’t think it really is 58:42, I am sure it is somewhere between 55–53 to 45–47 with 53:47 more likely as an actual election result.

If this years Budget is not well received, and I cannot see how it would be, the polls will shift another couple of points and an actual election result would be like 54:46.
When more people realise Shorten got his secretary pregnant behind his wife's back his popularity will plummet. Why would anybody believe a thing he says when he broke one of the commandments?



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Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 3:37pm:
When more people realise Shorten got his secretary pregnant behind his wife's back his popularity will plummet.



Grin Grin Grin Grin

they've been flogging that dead  horse for years and still shortens outdoing turdball. If that's the best the libs can come up with they haven't got a chance.
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John Smith wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 3:40pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 3:37pm:
When more people realise Shorten got his secretary pregnant behind his wife's back his popularity will plummet.



Grin Grin Grin Grin

they've been flogging that dead  horse for years and still shortens outdoing turdball. If that's the best the libs can come up with they haven't got a chance.
Shorten is an idiot. He won't be PM. it's as simple as that.
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Aussie wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 3:39pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 3:37pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 3:34pm:
Yeah, especially when 55:45 COULD mean 58:42 based on 3% MoE.

I don’t think it really is 58:42, I am sure it is somewhere between 55–53 to 45–47 with 53:47 more likely as an actual election result.

If this years Budget is not well received, and I cannot see how it would be, the polls will shift another couple of points and an actual election result would be like 54:46.
When more people realise Shorten got his secretary pregnant behind his wife's back his popularity will plummet. Why would anybody believe a thing he says when he broke one of the commandments?



That, from you, is hilarious.
I haven't broken my family up by shooting a hot load up my secretary. I don't know what you are talking about.
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Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 3:42pm:
John Smith wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 3:40pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 3:37pm:
When more people realise Shorten got his secretary pregnant behind his wife's back his popularity will plummet.



Grin Grin Grin Grin

they've been flogging that dead  horse for years and still shortens outdoing turdball. If that's the best the libs can come up with they haven't got a chance.
Shorten is an idiot. He won't be PM. it's as simple as that.



It's not even a question of 'IF' he becomes PM anymore, but rather a question of 'WHEN'.

Only an absolute fool would still go around claiming Shorten will never be PM. Even his biggest critics have stopped making that claim.
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John Smith wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 3:44pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 3:42pm:
John Smith wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 3:40pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 3:37pm:
When more people realise Shorten got his secretary pregnant behind his wife's back his popularity will plummet.



Grin Grin Grin Grin

they've been flogging that dead  horse for years and still shortens outdoing turdball. If that's the best the libs can come up with they haven't got a chance.
Shorten is an idiot. He won't be PM. it's as simple as that.



It's not even a question of 'IF' he becomes PM anymore, but rather a question of 'WHEN'.

Only an absolute fool would still go around claiming Shorten will never be PM. Even his biggest critics have stopped making that claim.
If he does get in he'll make the same mistakes. The borders will go down , the economy in the gutter , the debt will rise and they'll get voted out after one term. Labor don't want to take notice of popular opinion. They want to dictate to us what they want.
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Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 3:48pm:
John Smith wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 3:44pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 3:42pm:
John Smith wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 3:40pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 3:37pm:
When more people realise Shorten got his secretary pregnant behind his wife's back his popularity will plummet.



Grin Grin Grin Grin

they've been flogging that dead  horse for years and still shortens outdoing turdball. If that's the best the libs can come up with they haven't got a chance.
Shorten is an idiot. He won't be PM. it's as simple as that.



It's not even a question of 'IF' he becomes PM anymore, but rather a question of 'WHEN'.

Only an absolute fool would still go around claiming Shorten will never be PM. Even his biggest critics have stopped making that claim.
If he does get in he'll make the same mistakes. The borders will go down , the economy in the gutter , the debt will rise and they'll get voted out after one term. Labor don't want to take notice of popular opinion. They want to dictate to us what they want.



so your going to ignore labors ACTUAL policies and make them up as you go?  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 3:48pm:
John Smith wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 3:44pm:
It's not even a question of 'IF' [Shorten] becomes PM anymore, but rather a question of 'WHEN'.

Only an absolute fool would still go around claiming Shorten will never be PM. Even his biggest critics have stopped making that claim.

If he does get in he'll make the same mistakes. The borders will go down , the economy in the gutter , the debt will rise and they'll get voted out after one term. Labor don't want to take notice of popular opinion. They want to dictate to us what they want.

Australia is girt by sea. There are no borders, just sea, and no swinging voters really gives a fsck about this anyway when there are more pressing issues in need of attention: lack of jobs, housing affordability, energy insecurity and corporate tax evasion.

The economy already is in the gutter: three million people can't get enough work, income growth is at low levels not seen for several decades and cost of living pressures are making people cut back on spending. If the economy slips into recession before the next election it will trash the Liberals' undeserved reputation for economic management and keep them out of office Federally until 2030 at least.

The debt will rise, but if Labor makes the hard decisions and starts unwinding Costello's Budget profligacy the deficit will be under control and debt will no longer be rising unsustainably.

As for getting voted out after one term, that's wishful thinking. All Shorten's new government has to do is start addressing housing affordability, energy prices, energy security and corporate tax evasion and he's got the 2022 election won as well.

Taking notice of popular opinion wins elections. Anyone who doesn't is not truly representing the people in a representative democracy.
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Shorty's Socialist solution is to
borrow BORROW
BORROW!!!!
and then
spend SPEND
SPEND!!!!
and send Australia into even deeper debt.

The Lefties think ONLY of the SPENDING side of economics as they assume the money comes from a gigantic bottomless bucket somewhere up in the sky.

This is the Socialist fantasy nonsense all the naive gullible intellectual powerhouse Lefties believe in.

Shorty's vision for Australia is a Sclerotic Stagnating Socialist Sinkhole swimming in a sea of putrid debt.



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Not getting any better for the Libs:

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#Newspoll TPP ALP 53 (+1) L/NP 47 (-1)
Primary L/NP 36(-1) ALP 36(+1) GRN 10(+1) ON 10(0) http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/newspoll/newspoll-labor-gains-ground-against-coalition/news-story/ea2f0e137364713c87fc32c5489f3d3e … ($) #auspol

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Labor gaining not just in 2PP but in PV. I think NewsPoll are slightly undercooking the polls but 53:47 and another botch of a Budget will do me.
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It hardly needs saying that Snowy 2.0 was just a stunt, designed to excite the media and portray Turnbull as the great Nation Builder, while being no more than a feasibility study of a scheme that's probably not feasible, would end up costing at least double what we were told it would and, if it did eventuate, would come years too late to help with the energy crisis.
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Grendel wrote on Mar 27th, 2017 at 7:50am:
Just shows what many of us say the only true poll is the election day...


As for the fact the Coalition replaced Tony Abbott because of the polls you are completely incorrect....The polls drive politics in Australia!!!

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juliar wrote on Mar 28th, 2017 at 9:45pm:
Shorty's Socialist solution is to
borrow BORROW
BORROW!!!!
and then
spend SPEND
SPEND!!!!
and send Australia into even deeper debt.

The Lefties think ONLY of the SPENDING side of economics as they assume the money comes from a gigantic bottomless bucket somewhere up in the sky.

This is the Socialist fantasy nonsense all the naive gullible intellectual powerhouse Lefties believe in.

Shorty's vision for Australia is a Sclerotic Stagnating Socialist Sinkhole swimming in a sea of putrid debt.





Sounds hauntingly like the current lot. Despite your delusions of competence the only thing that Malcolm has done with the prime ministerial office since winning occupancy is sit in it.
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Gosh is this ancient thread STILL going ?

And why isn't the Croc plastering the joint with graphs plucked from the ether ?
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juliar wrote on Apr 3rd, 2017 at 9:31am:
Gosh is this ancient thread STILL going ?

And why isn't the Croc plastering the joint with graphs plucked from the ether ?


Malcolm hasn't done anything of note just yet. Therefore, nothing to graph.
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crocodile wrote on Apr 3rd, 2017 at 9:38am:
juliar wrote on Apr 3rd, 2017 at 9:31am:
Gosh is this ancient thread STILL going ?

And why isn't the Croc plastering the joint with graphs plucked from the ether ?

Malcolm hasn't done anything of note just yet. Therefore, nothing to graph.

Grin Juliar just got owned!
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Gee, politically correct Bammy is getting excited hiding behind the smokescreen of political correctness.

Aw Gee Croc what about at least just one graph plucked from the ether, say number of companies forced to leave Australia or go bankrupt by Bill Shorten's corrupt Commo unions' wage push insanity ?

Or days lost due to Bill Shorten's corrupt Commo unions INDUSTRIAL ANARCHY ?
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