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Mar 25th, 2017 at 8:49pm
 
Closing the Gap: PM overturns Government's opposition to target Indigenous imprisonment

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* Coalition is urged to add a federal justice target to the Closing the Gap goals
* Indigenous Affairs Minister Nigel Scullion has repeatedly rejected idea of a federal justice target
* Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islander young people over 20 times more likely to be in jail than their peers

Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull has overturned his Government's staunch opposition to establishing a target for reducing Indigenous imprisonment rates.

Despite making up just 3 per cent of the general population, about a quarter of Australia's prison population is Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islander.

The Greens, Labor, the Australian Medical Association, lawyers and other groups have long urged the Coalition to add a federal justice target to the Closing the Gap goals.

Greens Senator Rachel Siewert last month renewed her push in a letter to Mr Turnbull.

Mr Turnbull recently replied, indicating the target would be considered amid a current review of the decade-old targets.

"I am pleased that COAG has agreed to progress renewed targets in the year ahead," Mr Turnbull wrote.

"A cornerstone of the refresh will be engaging meaningfully with Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islanders and organisations, including at a local level to make sure the agenda reflects their needs and aspirations for the future.

"I have invited the Opposition and the crossbench to participate, particularly all of our Indigenous members of Parliament."

Conspicuously, Mr Turnbull did not rule out the target.

Indigenous Affairs Minister Nigel Scullion has repeatedly rejected the idea of a federal justice target.

"The Commonwealth can't have a justice target," Senator Scullion said in September last year.

"It does absolutely nothing because we have none of the levers to affect the outcomes in terms of incarceration or the justice system but the states and territories do."

Mr Turnbull reports to Parliament every year on seven Closing the Gap targets, such as Indigenous school attendance and life expectancy.

Senator Siewert said she was now more hopeful of change.

"I'm a little bit more optimistic that in fact they're now looking at it a bit more favourably and see the sense in having a justice target," she said.

"I hope they move swiftly on it and I'm looking forward to progress."

Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islander young people are over 20 times more likely to be in jail than their peers.

The rate of Aboriginal women going to prison has more than doubled since 2000.

And fresh statistics from New South Wales show there has been a 35 per cent increase in Aboriginal inmates in the state's prisons since 2011 — from 2,269 to 3,059.

'I find it embarrassing': Wyatt


Northern Territory Chief Minister Michael Gunner said he was glad the door had been opened to the idea.

"That's very heartening, especially as we go through a [youth detention] royal commission process," he said.

"We are talking with the Commonwealth about what that may mean as a future investment into the broken youth justice system here in the territory."

Mr Gunner said if a federal target was not implemented, the Territory would go it alone.

West Australian Labor's Ben Wyatt is the nations' first Indigenous Treasurer.

He has backed the federal target, but knows it is states that control the levers which make a difference.

"I would support anything that focuses the mind of a Government to reduce the rate of Indigenous incarceration," he said.

"Western Australia is the worst in the nation, we need to have a strong, powerful look at how we go about reducing the number of Aboriginal people we have in our prisons.

"I find it embarrassing and personally distressing that my state continues to do that."

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Reply #1 - Mar 25th, 2017 at 9:05pm
 


"I would support anything that focuses the mind of a Government to reduce the rate of Indigenous incarceration," he said.

"Western Australia is the worst in the nation, we need to have a strong, powerful look at how we go about reducing the number of Aboriginal people we have in our prisons.



Stop doing the crimes, that will do it.

Nothing else will.
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Reply #2 - Mar 25th, 2017 at 11:40pm
 
miketrees wrote on Mar 25th, 2017 at 9:05pm:
"I would support anything that focuses the mind of a Government to reduce the rate of Indigenous incarceration," he said.

"Western Australia is the worst in the nation, we need to have a strong, powerful look at how we go about reducing the number of Aboriginal people we have in our prisons.



Stop doing the crimes, that will do it.

Nothing else will.



For the amount of crime they do commit, they do very little prison time, the courts see to that.

Black fellas consider our courts a fkken joke, which of course they are.


A lot of effort and money for very little return.


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Reply #3 - Mar 25th, 2017 at 11:47pm
 
Many Aboriginal people treat incarceration as an extension of the social security system, nearly all the young ones come from dysfunctional backgrounds. Until it is acknowledged sexual and other child abuse and neglect is rife in their communities nothing will change, they are doomed. a lot of the younger ones are now jumping on the meth at around 10 or 12, they are pretty well f**kd at the age of 20. Do gooders and social workers with little understanding arent doing these people any good.
Aboriginals in WA commit the most crime but are only a 3 percent minority.
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Reply #4 - Mar 26th, 2017 at 8:04am
 
BigOl64 wrote on Mar 25th, 2017 at 11:40pm:
miketrees wrote on Mar 25th, 2017 at 9:05pm:
"I would support anything that focuses the mind of a Government to reduce the rate of Indigenous incarceration," he said.

"Western Australia is the worst in the nation, we need to have a strong, powerful look at how we go about reducing the number of Aboriginal people we have in our prisons.



Stop doing the crimes, that will do it.

Nothing else will.



For the amount of crime they do commit, they do very little prison time, the courts see to that.

Black fellas consider our courts a fkken joke, which of course they are.

A lot of effort and money for very little return.

Do you have proof of this? Or are you just making sht up again?
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Reply #5 - Mar 26th, 2017 at 8:13am
 
miketrees wrote on Mar 25th, 2017 at 9:05pm:
"I would support anything that focuses the mind of a Government to reduce the rate of Indigenous incarceration," he said.

"Western Australia is the worst in the nation, we need to have a strong, powerful look at how we go about reducing the number of Aboriginal people we have in our prisons.


Stop doing the crimes, that will do it.

Nothing else will.

Rubbish. Change the laws to make them equal for all.

What you do not know is that indigenous people are often incarcerated for crimes that others are not.

Indigenous incarceration rates 'intolerable' and momentum for change 'lost long ago' (ABC, 7/10/16, excerpt)
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The Deputy Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Social Justice Commissioner, Robynne Quiggin, said Indigenous adults were 13 times more likely to be incarcerated, and juveniles were 24 times more likely to be incarcerated.

"So the statistics are really poor and it absolutely requires urgent action," she said.

"There are issues in relation to the underlying causes of the conduct, there are issues in relation to policing, and there are issues also in relation to the exercise of sentencing discretion.

"We would also like to see Indigenous-led solutions."

The Social Justice report found the revelations of the treatment of boys at the Don Dale Youth Detention Centre stirred a sense of, "familiarity mixed with sadness and anger about the high levels of over representation in police custody and gaols".

"Despite these distressing circumstances, the 'tough on crime' narrative remains strong," the report reads.

"Measures that use custody as a first response rather than a last resort contribute to the extraordinarily high numbers of incarcerated Indigenous people."

It found "paperless arrest" laws — where police can detain a person for up to four hours without a warrant — and the practice of jailing people for defaulting on fine payments, contributed to high incarceration figures.

"As long as laws like these continue, incarceration rates will remain unacceptably high, and too many Indigenous people will be at risk of dying in custody," the report said.
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Reply #6 - Mar 26th, 2017 at 8:13am
 
what rehab do they have for them whilst in Jail...

alcohol being a massive problem and the cause of most being in Jail......why not have rehab for them instead of the jail system....

we are dealing with people are almost childlike in their behavior  which seems to pass from generation to generation.......

lets try another approach... Roll Eyes
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Reply #7 - Mar 26th, 2017 at 8:15am
 
cods wrote on Mar 26th, 2017 at 8:13am:
what rehab do they have for them whilst in Jail...

alcohol being a massive problem and the cause of most being in Jail......why not have rehab for them instead of the jail system....

we are dealing with people are almost childlike in their behavior  which seems to pass from generation to generation.......

lets try another approach... Roll Eyes

This is not true, cods.

More indigenous people are incarcerated as a result of unequal treatment before the law than any other cause.
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Reply #8 - Mar 26th, 2017 at 11:09am
 


By all means have programs to stop crime, and they may need to be weighted more heavily on sections of the community but as soon as you have one law for whites and one law for blacks , you have anarchy.

People like Bam need to get themselves checked out for some underlying mental problem.
The damage they do to Australia and to Indigenous people is a disgrace.
If you want to make yourself feel better go do some self esteem therapy for yourself and generally STFU

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Reply #9 - Mar 26th, 2017 at 2:38pm
 
miketrees wrote on Mar 26th, 2017 at 11:09am:
People like Bam need to get themselves checked out for some underlying mental problem.
The damage they do to Australia and to Indigenous people is a disgrace.
If you want to make yourself feel better go do some self esteem therapy for yourself and generally STFU


So let's see ... personal attack, scurrilous lies and the shut-up argument.

I guess you have well and truly lost the discussion and surrendered because you have nothing.

I accept your surrender.
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Reply #10 - Mar 26th, 2017 at 2:50pm
 
Usually the people who cry out for dark people "justice" etc and so on have had very little or nothing to do with the REAL dark people who commit the crimes and don't realize what violent horrible wild animals they really are.

Stroll thru Kempsey after dark and get robbed and bashed. Or leave your car on the street and try to find it next day. Up in Nth Qld it is truly horrifying what goes on.

There is nothing quite like being surrounded by these brutal bashers and being bashed and smashed to the ground because you are a hated whitey.

The dark people regard stealing as a normal part of their Social Service income.

Whitey houses in dark people areas NORMALLY have prison type bars over EVERY window and door to keep the wild animals out.

REALITY is just SO DIFFERENT from the Greenie fantasy.

When the dark people first INVADED Australia from, it is thought, New Guinea when these 2 countries were still joined by land mass, they lived off the land and did as little as possible.

Today little has changed as they still do as little as possible and instead live off the whitey welfare.

The simplest way to restore peace and sanity is to let the dark people live their chosen way in the bush and keep them away from whitey settlements.

Until you have actually experienced first hand the violence of these dangerous wild dark people you simply do not have any idea what you are talking about.


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Normal shop window protection in Redfern Sydney to stop the dark people from doing frequent nightly smash and grab raids.
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Reply #11 - Mar 26th, 2017 at 6:04pm
 
Bam wrote on Mar 26th, 2017 at 8:15am:
cods wrote on Mar 26th, 2017 at 8:13am:
what rehab do they have for them whilst in Jail...

alcohol being a massive problem and the cause of most being in Jail......why not have rehab for them instead of the jail system....

we are dealing with people are almost childlike in their behavior  which seems to pass from generation to generation.......

lets try another approach... Roll Eyes

This is not true, cods.

More indigenous people are incarcerated as a result of unequal treatment before the law than any other cause.

rubbish.
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Reply #12 - Mar 26th, 2017 at 8:30pm
 
rhino wrote on Mar 26th, 2017 at 6:04pm:
Bam wrote on Mar 26th, 2017 at 8:15am:
cods wrote on Mar 26th, 2017 at 8:13am:
what rehab do they have for them whilst in Jail...

alcohol being a massive problem and the cause of most being in Jail......why not have rehab for them instead of the jail system....

we are dealing with people are almost childlike in their behavior  which seems to pass from generation to generation.......

lets try another approach... Roll Eyes

This is not true, cods.

More indigenous people are incarcerated as a result of unequal treatment before the law than any other cause.

rubbish.

I have already posted a link substantiating this. You have not offered any evidence. You should now do so. Links please, not handwaving "rubbish".
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Reply #13 - Mar 26th, 2017 at 9:15pm
 
You link didnt substantiate your claim.
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Reply #14 - Mar 27th, 2017 at 4:13am
 
Pershaps a good hard look at the reasons Aboriginals crowd the prison system is in order..... I think this is a two-way street.
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