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Re: Why is climate science so resilient?
Reply #195 - Mar 30^th, 2017 at 3:28pm

lee wrote on Mar 30^th, 2017 at 3:22pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 30^th, 2017 at 2:59pm:

Why is Climate Science so resilient?

The cumulative total of data/info/research on climate change indicates there is a case to answer.

Because there is billions of dollars invested in it. So it has to be true.

I don't think that's a valid rebuttal.

Why?

There's probably just as much (if not more) $$$ invested in maintaining the status quo/climate change denial.

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Re: Why is climate science so resilient?
Reply #196 - Mar 30^th, 2017 at 3:45pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 30^th, 2017 at 3:28pm:

There's probably just as much (if not more) $$$ invested in maintaining the status quo/climate change denial.

You probably haven't included Greenpeace funding. Like the #ExxonKnew campaign. Greenpeace funded by Soros. Rockeferller etc.

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Conservative billionaires used a secretive funding route to channel nearly $120m (£77m) to more than 100 groups casting doubt about the science behind climate change, the Guardian has learned.

The funds, doled out between 2002 and 2010, helped build a vast network of thinktanks and activist groups working to a single purpose: to redefine climate change from neutral scientific fact to a highly polarising "wedge issue" for hardcore conservatives."

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2013/feb/14/funding-climate-change-denia...

So according to the Guardian about $15m/year. The Guardian says so it must be true.

The US is $77 billion alone on climate change.

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Re: Why is climate science so resilient?
Reply #197 - Mar 30^th, 2017 at 4:25pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 30^th, 2017 at 3:28pm:

lee wrote on Mar 30^th, 2017 at 3:22pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 30^th, 2017 at 2:59pm:

Why is Climate Science so resilient?

The cumulative total of data/info/research on climate change indicates there is a case to answer.

Because there is billions of dollars invested in it. So it has to be true.

I don't think that's a valid rebuttal.

Why?

There's probably just as much (if not more) $$$ invested in maintaining the status quo/climate change denial.

Its not a valid rebuttal. Who gives a poo how much is spent on it, the denial side is weak scientifically.

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No evidence whatsoever it can be attributed to George Orwell or Eric Arthur Blair (in fact the same guy)

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Re: Why is climate science so resilient?
Reply #198 - Mar 30^th, 2017 at 4:41pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Mar 30^th, 2017 at 4:25pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 30^th, 2017 at 3:28pm:

lee wrote on Mar 30^th, 2017 at 3:22pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 30^th, 2017 at 2:59pm:

Why is Climate Science so resilient?

The cumulative total of data/info/research on climate change indicates there is a case to answer.

Because there is billions of dollars invested in it. So it has to be true.

I don't think that's a valid rebuttal.

Why?

There's probably just as much (if not more) $$$ invested in maintaining the status quo/climate change denial.

Its not a valid rebuttal. Who gives a poo how much is spent on it, the denial side is weak scientifically.

Ok....but my point is that we have stakeholders investing a hell of a lot of MMM on BOTH sides of this debate.

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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 37678 Gender:	Re: Why is climate science so resilient? Reply #199 - Mar 30^th, 2017 at 4:42pm ...and his point is......what, Jones?
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Re: Why is climate science so resilient?
Reply #200 - Mar 30^th, 2017 at 4:46pm

lee wrote on Mar 30^th, 2017 at 3:45pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 30^th, 2017 at 3:28pm:

There's probably just as much (if not more) $$$ invested in maintaining the status quo/climate change denial.

You probably haven't included Greenpeace funding. Like the #ExxonKnew campaign. Greenpeace funded by Soros. Rockefeller etc.

"
Conservative billionaires used a secretive funding route to channel nearly $120m (£77m) to more than 100 groups casting doubt about the science behind climate change, the Guardian has learned.

The funds, doled out between 2002 and 2010, helped build a vast network of thinktanks and activist groups working to a single purpose: to redefine climate change from neutral scientific fact to a highly polarising "wedge issue" for hardcore conservatives."

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2013/feb/14/funding-climate-change-denia...

So according to the Guardian about $15m/year. The Guardian says so it must be true.

The US is $77 billion alone on climate change.

Soros eh?

Now why doesn't the mention of this hypocritical POS's name surprise me?

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Re: Why is climate science so resilient?
Reply #201 - Mar 30^th, 2017 at 4:58pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Mar 30^th, 2017 at 4:25pm:

Its not a valid rebuttal. Who gives a poo how much is spent on it, the denial side is weak scientifically.

Please elucidate. No one I know denies climate changes. No one I know denies land use change will give rise to a level of AGW.

No one has proven that CO2 has caused measurable warming.
The reason behind GW is a postulation that "all other things being equal" a rise in CO2 will give a rise n temperature. No one that I know of has even tried to prove all other things are equal.

Of course if you have evidence to the contrary please provide it.

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red baron Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10204 Blue Mountains Gender:	Re: Why is climate science so resilient? Reply #202 - Mar 30^th, 2017 at 5:25pm See that it's called the 'Sun' it is what governs the climate on Earth
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 43657 Gender:	Re: Why is climate science so resilient? Reply #203 - Mar 30^th, 2017 at 8:03pm And the sun is so quiet it is a force for cooling the climate here. Instead—the globe is warming up fast.
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babs Full Member Offline Posts: 229	Re: Why is climate science so resilient? Reply #204 - Mar 30^th, 2017 at 8:07pm Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 30^th, 2017 at 8:03pm: And the sun is so quiet it is a force for cooling the climate here. Instead—the globe is warming up fast. So have we concluded anything yet..now that the US has folded on anything meaningful re climate change everything is looking even worse..
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 43657 Gender:	Re: Why is climate science so resilient? Reply #205 - Mar 30^th, 2017 at 8:22pm Global warming will continue. Whether Trumpy can get more coal etc burned gas is now cheaper than coal in the US.
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16438 Gender:	Re: Why is climate science so resilient? Reply #206 - Mar 30^th, 2017 at 8:23pm Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 30^th, 2017 at 8:03pm: the globe is warming up fast. 0.94ºC in 136 years. What is the Goldilocks temperature?
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 43657 Gender:	Re: Why is climate science so resilient? Reply #207 - Mar 30^th, 2017 at 8:25pm And that is causing weather extremes and has lengthened the wildfire season remarkably and has caused problems with drought and floods.
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Re: Why is climate science so resilient?
Reply #208 - Mar 30^th, 2017 at 8:59pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 30^th, 2017 at 8:25pm:

And that is causing weather extremes and has lengthened the wildfire season remarkably and has caused problems with drought and floods.

We have had weather extremes through history. It is not new.

By how much has the wildfire season been lengthened?

Droughts and floods - never happened before?

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 43657 Gender:	Re: Why is climate science so resilient? Reply #209 - Mar 30^th, 2017 at 9:06pm That 1°C has caused wildfire season to be extended, created more severe weather extremes and problems with precipitation and droughts. What will another 0.5°C bring? We shall find out, I fear.
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