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Reply #180 - Mar 27th, 2017 at 10:01pm
 
lee wrote on Mar 27th, 2017 at 9:31pm:
Was the LIA just a northern hemisphere affair?



Not according to studies. Chile, New Zealand, Tasmania, Antarctica.

You just don't like facts getting in the way of your pet theory. Wink
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Reply #181 - Mar 28th, 2017 at 3:56pm
 
It could be argued that the Black Death, which largely ended serfdom in the west, caused Europe to reafforest, absorbing CO2.

Increased vulcanicity is supposed to have helped bring about the LIA but never any details about which volcanoes. Dubyne’s dupes say a dearth of sunspots brings about increased vulcanicity but the gibberings of lunatics are meaningless. Sorry Booby.
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Reply #182 - Mar 28th, 2017 at 5:16pm
 
The_Barnacle wrote on Mar 27th, 2017 at 10:49am:
Ajax wrote on Mar 26th, 2017 at 10:16am:
Net global emissions of CO2 are independent of mans emissions of CO2.

In other words the CO2 being emitted from natural sources eclipses and is independent of mans very minor emissions of CO2.



Ajax you are making the same mistake again of ignoring the natural carbon cycle.

Natural emissions of CO2 are balanced by natural absorption of CO2. It's called the carbon cycle and results in the atmosphere having about 280ppm of CO2.

Then along comes the industrial revolution and man starts pumping additional CO2 into the atmosphere.

Additional CO2 results in additional warming. It's fairly basic science


On the contrary I'm not ignoring the natural carbon cycle at all, but rather taking it into account.

First of all temperature controls the natural emissions of CO2 and how much net flux per annum of an increase in CO2 is released into the atmosphere.

If as you think all this extra CO2 is coming from mans emissions alone then we would have a steady net flux increase one year after another mimicking mans emissions.

But as the charts show below, even though man's emissions are for ever increasing the net flux per annum of additional CO2 that gets released into the atmosphere doesn't follow the manmade footprint which we can monitor fairly accurately, but rather it follows what temperature is doing year in year out.

Instead the natural carbon cycle of CO2 net emissions per annum from all natural sources depends on the temperature and these natural sources totally eclipse mans emissions, because in the overall scheme of things mans emissions only account for about 4% of the natural carbon cycle of CO2 in our atmosphere.

You're really deluding yourself if you think that atmospheric CO2 should be at 280ppm maximum on our planet Earth.

Its pretty simple really just LOOK INTO OUR HISTORY...!!

Don't take my word as gospel do some research and you will see that today e have some of the lowest amounts of atmospheric CO2 as history shows.................. Kiss

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Go to the 33 minute mark of this video and watch it for about 10 minutes, better still watch it all.



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Reply #183 - Mar 28th, 2017 at 5:23pm
 
Our climate governed by the sun...end of section. The rest is laughable
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Reply #184 - Mar 29th, 2017 at 11:05am
 
Sorry, Baron, but it isn’t. The sun is so quiescent since late 1970s it is a small negative forcing.

It is CO2 and methane that are heating the globe by absorbing and re-emitting infra red photons leaving the earths surface.
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Reply #185 - Mar 29th, 2017 at 4:46pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 29th, 2017 at 11:05am:
Sorry, Baron, but it isn’t. The sun is so quiescent since late 1970s it is a small negative forcing.

It is CO2 and methane that are heating the globe by absorbing and re-emitting infra red photons leaving the earths surface.


Whether you like it or not einstein we live on a water planet.

So trace gases although they do contribute to warming only do so with minor impact.

CO2............0.04%       in the atmosphere

CH4............0.00017% in the atmosphere
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Reply #186 - Mar 29th, 2017 at 9:26pm
 
Ajax wrote on Mar 29th, 2017 at 4:46pm:
Whether you like it or not einstein we live on a water planet.

So trace gases although they do contribute to warming only do so with minor impact.

CO2............0.04%       in the atmosphere

CH4............0.00017% in the atmosphere


You still don't understand the water cycle Ajax? H2O can't cause the the Earth to get warmer because it can't accumulate in the atmosphere. It falls out as rain.

CO2 and CH4 however do accumulate in the atmosphere.
Yes they are both trace gasses but that is irrelevant and a typical emotional tactic used by AGW denier blogs. CO2 and CH4 still cause the earth to get warmer.
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Reply #187 - Mar 29th, 2017 at 9:52pm
 
The_Barnacle wrote on Mar 29th, 2017 at 9:26pm:
You still don't understand the water cycle Ajax? H2O can't cause the the Earth to get warmer because it can't accumulate in the atmosphere. It falls out as rain.

CO2 and CH4 however do accumulate in the atmosphere.


I've only ever felt the effects of a humid day due to how much H2O and not CO2 or CH4 is in the air, you know like a 25°C day in Sydney that feels like 35°C or more............ Kiss

Not only is H20 the most dominant greenhouse gas but its also a very potent one.

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Yes they are both trace gasses but that is irrelevant and a typical emotional tactic used by AGW denier blogs. CO2 and CH4 still cause the earth to get warmer.


While I agree with you that they contribute to warming the Earth as everyone already knows, they are called a trace gas because both CO2 and CH4 have very minor volumes in our atmosphere being less than 1%.

CO2............0.04%       in the atmosphere

CH4............0.00017% in the atmosphere

Water vapour on the other hand is at around 4% volume of the atmosphere at the equator and is responsible for 95% of the greenhouse effect here on Earth.

Seems strange that you worry sick about 5% of the greenhouse effect and totally ignore the 95% part.

So excuse me for not taking you seriously when you say I don't understand................ Tongue

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Reply #188 - Mar 29th, 2017 at 10:04pm
 
The_Barnacle wrote on Mar 29th, 2017 at 9:26pm:
H2O can't cause the the Earth to get warmer because it can't accumulate in the atmosphere. It falls out as rain.



So those thunderheads only exist in the imagination? H2O may precipitate out as rain but it is not totally precipitated and is being constantly replenished. Wink

You do know CO2 theory says the extra heat gives greater evaporation and thus more warming.

"Water Vapor Confirmed as Major Player in Climate Change"
"The answer can be found by estimating the magnitude of water vapor feedback. Increasing water vapor leads to warmer temperatures, which causes more water vapor to be absorbed into the air. Warming and water absorption increase in a spiraling cycle. "

https://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/vapor_warming.html

Don't even know what your own side is postulating. Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #189 - Mar 30th, 2017 at 1:26pm
 
Water vapour does not build up and up like CO2 and methane do.

There is overall an increase in water vapour due to AGW but no increase like in GHG. The structure of the water molecule prevents that. (strong +ve and -ve spots on the molecule.
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Reply #190 - Mar 30th, 2017 at 2:42pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 30th, 2017 at 1:26pm:
Water vapour does not build up and up like CO2 and methane do.

There is overall an increase in water vapour due to AGW but no increase like in GHG. The structure of the water molecule prevents that. (strong +ve and -ve spots on the molecule.


You do understand water vapour is a GHG? Wink
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Reply #191 - Mar 30th, 2017 at 2:47pm
 
I have said it is several times. It cannot accumulate like CO2 and methane tho.

H2O, CH4 and CO2 provide a narrow and narrowing window for IR to escape from the surface of the globe.

I may not have expressed myself as clearly as I should have. Water vapour does not accumulate in the atmosphere like CO2 and CH4.
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Reply #192 - Mar 30th, 2017 at 2:59pm
 
Why is Climate Science so resilient?

The cumulative total of data/info/research on climate change indicates there is a case to answer.
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Reply #193 - Mar 30th, 2017 at 3:22pm
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 30th, 2017 at 2:59pm:
Why is Climate Science so resilient?

The cumulative total of data/info/research on climate change indicates there is a case to answer.



Because there is billions of dollars invested in it. So it has to be true.
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Reply #194 - Mar 30th, 2017 at 3:27pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 30th, 2017 at 2:47pm:
Water vapour does not accumulate in the atmosphere like CO2 and CH4.



True. But CO2 has a residence time of about 35 yars not 100 years like the alarmists like to sprout and methane less than 12 years, and most of that is from termites.

Of course recent peer-reviewed papers keep bringing down both ECS and TCR, there goes the CAGW.
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