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Why is climate science so resilient?
Mar 23rd, 2017 at 11:21am
 
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1) Climate science represents a convergence of evidence

Why do so many scientists and scientific organizations accept that climate change is real, human-caused, and dangerous?

It's not because of any single line of evidence or any one prediction. Rather, says Shermer, "there is a convergence of evidence from multiple lines of inquiry — pollen, tree rings, ice cores, corals, glacial and polar ice-cap melt, sea-level rise, ecological shifts, carbon dioxide increases, the unprecedented rate of temperature increase — that all converge to a singular conclusion." Scientists call this sort of convergence of independent lines of evidence "consilience." Biologist E.O. Wilson wrote a very good book about it.

Climate denialists — indeed, most people — do not fully grasp the implications of consilience. The strength of consilience science does not issue from the validity of any one set of measurements or any one line of evidence. It's not vulnerable to wholesale refutation if anomalies are found in one data set or another. Even if individual lines of evidence are weak or uncertain, their convergence, the fact that many trails keep leading to the same place, can make consilience science strong.

And the convergence also makes consilience science fecund — it suggests and structures further research.


On the other hand poor deniers. . .
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2) Climate "skepticism" does not
Writes Shermer:

For [climate] skeptics to overturn the consensus, they would need to find flaws with all the lines of supportive evidence and show a consistent convergence of evidence toward a different theory that explains the data. ... This they have not done.
I'm not sure the disengaged public understands this: Climate skepticism is not an alternative theory. The climate skeptic community is a hodgepodge, a farrago of theories and conspiracies that range all over the map, from sunspots to adjustments in particular temperature data sets to hoaxes by scientists greedy for grant money. There's no shared alternative framework, just a fixed certainty that the consensus must be wrong.

If the mainstream scientific consensus on anthropogenic climate change is wrong, then we'll need some other theory that makes sense of present-day changes and harmonizes with data from historical record. Climate skeptics have offered no such theory. Where climate change science is fecund, climate skepticism is moribund, merely destructive.


So we see poor Lees, in the face of the most rapid warming to the highest temperature in millions of years offers “Natural variation” which is manifestly insufficient to explain the heating. Thus, according to poor Lees the record minimum polar sea ice extent is not due to AGW but just “warming.” Pathetic.

Link: http://www.vox.com/2015/12/11/9898098/climate-skeptics-consilience
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Reply #1 - Mar 23rd, 2017 at 12:02pm
 
Oh dear science by consensus. Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

Your not quoting SKS again are you? Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #2 - Mar 23rd, 2017 at 3:33pm
 
More very weak, pathetically weak “argument” from Lees. The article does not mention consensus it mentions consilience and convergence.
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Reply #3 - Mar 23rd, 2017 at 3:36pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 23rd, 2017 at 3:33pm:
More very weak, pathetically weak “argument” from Lees. The article does not mention consensus it mentions consilience and convergence.


"Last Edit: Today at 1:28pm by Jovial Monk "


Big oops from you. You edited the post 5 minutes before.

Oh, dear lying to protect your story. Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

Edit: "Scientific consensus: Earth's climate is warming "

From your link -

https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/
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Reply #4 - Mar 23rd, 2017 at 3:39pm
 
When I left here I put “cont’d later” and that is what I just did.
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Reply #5 - Mar 23rd, 2017 at 3:44pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 23rd, 2017 at 3:39pm:
When I left here I put “cont’d later” and that is what I just did.



Yes, you just did.

"Last Edit: Today at 1:38pm by Jovial Monk "

Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

"Scientific consensus: Earth's climate is warming "

https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/

From the article that doesn't mention consensus. Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #6 - Mar 23rd, 2017 at 4:07pm
 
Scientific consensus: ALL the threads of evidence support AGW.

Try again, try weakly Lees.

You are looking so desperate.
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Reply #7 - Mar 23rd, 2017 at 4:34pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 23rd, 2017 at 4:07pm:
Scientific consensus: ALL the threads of evidence support AGW.

Try again, try weakly Lees.

You are looking so desperate.


It was so weak you had to lie about it? Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #8 - Mar 23rd, 2017 at 4:54pm
 
All the threads of evidence support the AGW theory.

There is NOTHING from the deniers in the way of a theory to explain the warming.

Grow up Lees, the world is warming, CO2/CH4 etc is the cause and we put those gases into the atmosphere.

Accept it or look increasingly desperate, shrill and childish.

Booby has gone off with the fairies(!) talking about a LIA. You are not that stupid, but if you cannot refute AGW, and you cannot, then do the mature thing and accept it.
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Reply #9 - Mar 23rd, 2017 at 5:13pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 23rd, 2017 at 4:54pm:
There is NOTHING from the deniers in the way of a theory to explain the warming.



Its your AGW theory. The null hypothesis is natural variation. That has not been overturned.

Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 23rd, 2017 at 4:54pm:
the world is warming, CO2/CH4 etc is the cause and we put those gases into the atmosphere.



That is the hypothesis that has not been proved. Wink

Or for you the truth according to the Gospel of Big Al and the church of AGW.

Even if we had AGW, you would need to show it is catastrophic to be worth the Trillions spent on it.
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Reply #10 - Mar 23rd, 2017 at 5:20pm
 
The hypothesis has been abundantly proved.

Your explanation for the warming is. . . . . . ?
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Reply #11 - Mar 23rd, 2017 at 5:44pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 23rd, 2017 at 5:20pm:
The hypothesis has been abundantly proved.

Your explanation for the warming is. . . . . . ?


If you talking about AGW, please show the peer-reviewed papers that prove that this is the new null hypothesis.

I do know Kevin Trenberth has said (2011) that we should reverse the null hypothesis, but have yet to see a paper proclaiming it so.
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Reply #12 - Mar 23rd, 2017 at 7:01pm
 
Your explanation for the warming is. . . . .?

Natural variation explains two thirds of five eights of bugger all.

Your explanation please Lees.
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Reply #13 - Mar 23rd, 2017 at 7:04pm
 
Lees is losing it! Blithering away about null hypothesis again!

Been through this, Lees.

If you think AGW is true then:

H1: temperatures since mid 1800s have been increasing

H0: temperatures have not increased.

Given the temperatures HAVE increased significantly H0 is rejected and H1 accepted.

Your hypothesis?
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Reply #14 - Mar 23rd, 2017 at 8:28pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 23rd, 2017 at 7:04pm:
Lees is losing it! Blithering away about null hypothesis again!

Been through this, Lees.

If you think AGW is true then:

H1: temperatures since mid 1800s have been increasing

H0: temperatures have not increased.

Given the temperatures HAVE increased significantly H0 is rejected and H1 accepted.

Your hypothesis?


You really know how distort data. Are you sure your not a climate scientist?

Is this global warming or merely regional warming.

Remember NOAA 1997 - 62.45ºF. NOAA 2016 - 58.69ºF. According to NOAA is has cooled. Wink
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