It's at a record low and the area of ice is still decreasing at a time it should have started to increase.

There was a huge drop in 2015.





http://gizmodo.com/antarctic-sea-ice-crashed-this-year-and-scientists-dont-17929...

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lee wrote on Mar 20^th, 2017 at 4:00pm:


Denizen lee's only tactic is diversion, misdirection, and obfuscation.

Denizen lee wheels out Bobbi, an insult to human intelligence.

Bobby. wrote on Mar 20^th, 2017 at 6:00pm:


Thanks for exemplifying what a wretched bonehead Bobbi is.

Unforgiven wrote on Mar 20^th, 2017 at 6:02pm:




Aussie wrote on Mar 12^th, 2017 at 7:20pm:


http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1488952309/540#546

Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 21^st, 2017 at 11:50am:



So natural variation can only be up?

Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 21^st, 2017 at 3:11pm:



because your only meme is AGW, AGW.

Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 21^st, 2017 at 4:44pm:



So is greening of the deserts and many other things.

Unforgiven wrote on Mar 21^st, 2017 at 4:47pm:



Well we do know your cranium is impervious to anything.

Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 21^st, 2017 at 5:03pm:


It is when try to "force" your drivel onto others.

I post scientific papers in support of my view. Not forcing anyone but Lees obviously feels AGW denialism is becoming less and less possible. That is reality forcing itself onto Lees.

Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 21^st, 2017 at 6:00pm:


GW was supposed to be occurring long before 2013 when that expedition got stuck in Antarctica.

What happened to the thaw?

Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 21^st, 2017 at 6:49pm:


What something like the time when a US submarine surfaced at the magnetic Nth Pole  & there was very little ice there?

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/04/26/ice-at-the-north-pole-in-1958-not-so-thic...

I noticed, Lees, that you could not refute any of the last paper I posted about.

Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 21^st, 2017 at 9:41pm:



Yes we have such a rich history of the ozone hole too.

Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 21^st, 2017 at 10:05pm:



We don't know if it has happened before. How's that for starters. Is it only a recent phenomena?

Interesting:

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Rain replacing snow, oh boy, the implications of that!

Why is precipitation now including rain?

Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 21^st, 2017 at 10:13pm:



One cause is possibly known. Are you saying there are no other possible causes?

Wasn't there a story of how the hole was shrinking and then suddenly it was the largest in some time?

"In Oct. 2, 2015, the ozone hole expanded to its peak of 28.2 million square kilometers (10.9 million square miles), an area larger than the continent of North America. Throughout October, the hole remained large and set many area daily records. Unusually cold temperature and weak dynamics in the Antarctic stratosphere this year resulted in this larger ozone hole. In comparison, last year the ozone hole peaked at 24.1 million square kilometers (9.3 million square miles) on Sept. 11, 2014. Compared to the 1991-2014 period, the 2015 ozone hole average area was the fourth largest."

https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/annual-antarctic-ozone-hole-larger-and-form...

Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 21^st, 2017 at 10:38pm:



Air pressure?

Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 21^st, 2017 at 10:51pm:


2016 was apparently just below average size? Doesn't sound much like shrinking.

“This year we saw an ozone hole that was just below average size,”

https://www.nasa.gov/feature/Goddard/2016/antarctic-ozone-hole-attains-moderate-...

Seems like a lot of variability.

In other words—you don’t know.

Latest video:





IPCC Forgets Cloud Circulation in Antarctica & Vertical Farming Solutions (335)


Published on Mar 21, 2017

Antarctica still gaining ice, a look at where underwater volcanoes are melting sea ice and why the IPCC didn't take into account cloud circulation models when doing projections for the continent. Long term 37 year look at global ice concentrations look as they always have. Aerofarms vertical farming using aeroponics for micro-greens

Those volcanoes were there when the Arctic was thick multiyear ice.

If you want to debate me read what I write.

This volcano thing is crap, OK?

Not only sea ice is melting: Antarctica is losing land ice as well.

https://soe.environment.gov.au/sites/g/files/net806/f/soe2016-antarctic-launch14...

The ozone hole is actually protecting parts of Antarctica from warming.

Volcanoes have existed since the earth was formed.

Exactly!

They were there when the Arctic ice was metres thick. They are there now the ice is thin, mostly one year ice and shrunken in extent.

Volcanoes under the sea (Iceland is a case where the ocean floor and mid ocean ridge is on land) are mainly in mid ocean ridges where ocean floor is created (it is destroyed in subduction under continental plates causing earthquakes.)

Here is a diagram showing the mid ocean ridges including one near Antarctica and one under the Arctic ocean:


Greenhouse gases like CO2 and CH4 are warming the world and the mechanism by which they do are well known and measured by terrestrial and satellite spectrometry. There is no real reason (ignorance, supporting a past decision to deny AGW etc are the most likely) to doubt any of that.

That is why bushfire seasons are longer all over the world and bush/wildfires raze big parts of Australia, Chile, the US and the USSR. Melting of landbased glaciers and icesheets and an increase in volume of the warming seas are causing increased sea levels. These too have been measured by tidal gauges and satellite based altimetry.

Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2017 at 7:35am:


This planet was vastly different in all demographics way back then.

Where there are now deserts there was primordial rain forest/jungles.

How active were the subterranean volcanoes under the Arctic or Antarctic? ....

as there were many many more above ground back then, even on this continent.

This continents ecosystem was also shaped by fire .... used by our Indigenous peoples ...... much of our native trees are conditioned to fire .........

adapted so that it requires fire over seeds in the ground to get them to germinate.

Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 21^st, 2017 at 9:41pm:





It must be hiding in the ice.

Gnads wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2017 at 9:01am:


It wasn’t that far back, gnads. Unlike Ajax, however, you do realise the Earth has gone through many changes. In geologic time so has the sun.

Yes, there are warm currents reaching the Antarctic continent from the Pacific mainly. These currents are melting the ice shelves and when they are gone landbased glaciers will melt more rapidly. Six times more rapidly than before going by Greenland.

Different currents at different depths Lees.

I didn’t say the waters had to be cooler. Don’t know what the hell you are talking about.

Plenty of scientists in Antarctica.

BuMet is not a lying Dubyne, they do not put something in a report unless sure of their facts.

If you REALLY want to know I suggest you contact the BuMet and the CSIRO.

With the Pacific heating up you expect no impact in Antarctica? That would be a weird position to take up.

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The “underwater volcanoes” is Dubyne throwing in the towel and admitting AGW is happening. Since AGW is actually happening, despite the quiescent sun in the last few decades, that is a sensible thing to do.

Booby, even JoNova has agreed GHGs have warmed the world. She is reduced to trying to maintain that more CO2 won’t cause more warming. Not a tenable position but the BEST deniers can put up nowadays.

I quoted the BuMet report. I trust that and they do have teams out there and there are satellite observations too.

You have a quibble take it up with them. I know what is in the report.

There were expeditions that were ocean based. You derided one such but I guess it found data. You don’t think the report is supposition, you are just trying to convince yourself there is no AGW. Why not join Booby in his delusions about a little ice age? Comes with videos.

Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2017 at 6:16pm:



You realise analysing Argo data doesn't need a physical presence? The data is uploaded electronically.

Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2017 at 6:25pm:



You're right.

But -

Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 21^st, 2017 at 10:41pm:



And as I noted -

lee wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2017 at 11:10am:


So the reference to Roemmich et al. 2015 is based on Argo data. The Argo buoys that are not in the Antarctic.

Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2017 at 6:42pm:


But the summation you gave directly quotes the Antarctic in Roemmich et al. 2015. The paper I quoted is Roemmich et al. 2015.

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Roemmich, D, Church J, Gilson J, Monselesan D, Sutton P, Wijffels S.  2015.  Unabated planetary warming and its ocean structure since 2006. Nature Climate Change. 5:240-245.   10.1038/nclimate2513"

http://scrippsscholars.ucsd.edu/droemmich/publications/keyword/589

It is the only paper attributed to Roemmich in 2015. Now it is not my fault if the reference you provided is erroneous. Perhaps you could get your source to check their reference.

Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2017 at 7:10pm:


Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 21^st, 2017 at 10:41pm:


That is what is in front of me. You do understand what you quoted?

Roemmich et al was only published in Nature, it is not published elsewhere, where I can get passed the abstract.

I did find this -

https://www.mpimet.mpg.de/fileadmin/atmosphaere/WCRP_Grand_Challenge_Workshop/Ri...

- which uses Roemmich et al 2015. According to the graphics it only goes to 60ºS. Looks like the article you quoted with approval got all excited over nothing.

Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2017 at 7:48pm:



Already wear them. new prescription too.

Perhaps you should talk to your source and find out how they got it wrong.