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Re: Ocean warming 13% faster than previously thought
Reply #15 - Mar 20th, 2017 at 8:36am
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 20th, 2017 at 8:28am:
BuMet reports Australia has warmed by 1°C since 1910. The seas around us have also warmed. Just look at the coral bleaching.

But maybe Herbert has access to a “real” set of temperature readings???

La Ninas now are as warm as El Ninos were in the 1960s. That is from the BuMet State of the Climate 2016 too!


The time to panic is when the Earth's cyclical Global cooling begins again.

Get a life you wretched panic-merchants.
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Reply #16 - Mar 20th, 2017 at 8:39am
 
So you don’t have an alternative set of temperature measurements.

Here are the BuMet report highlights:

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•      Australia’s climate has warmed in
both mean surface air temperature
and surrounding sea surface
temperature by around 1 °C
since 1910.

•      The duration, frequency and
intensity of extreme heat events
have increased across large parts
of Australia.

•      There has been an increase in
extreme fire weather, and a longer
fire season, across large parts of
Australia since the 1970s.

•      May–July rainfall has reduced by
around 19 per cent since 1970 in the
southwest of Australia.

•      There has been a decline of around
11 per cent since the mid-1990s in
the April–October growing season
rainfall in the continental southeast.


Plenty there to give pause for thought. The warming and drying of the southern half of Australia in particular.

Ice Age—next one is due in about 85,000 years.
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Reply #17 - Mar 20th, 2017 at 9:42am
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 20th, 2017 at 7:26am:
And the “plant food” crap makes its umpteenth appearance.



You deny CO2 is plant food? You deny increased yields from CO2? You deny greening of the planet due to CO2?

You denier you. Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

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Reply #18 - Mar 20th, 2017 at 9:47am
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 20th, 2017 at 8:36am:
Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 20th, 2017 at 8:28am:
BuMet reports Australia has warmed by 1°C since 1910. The seas around us have also warmed. Just look at the coral bleaching.

But maybe Herbert has access to a “real” set of temperature readings???

La Ninas now are as warm as El Ninos were in the 1960s. That is from the BuMet State of the Climate 2016 too!


The time to panic is when the Earth's cyclical Global cooling begins again.

Get a life you wretched panic-merchants.



The cooling cycle won't begin for another few thousand years
What we are discussing is the current warming cycle that is caused by increased concentrations of CO2 in the atmosphere.
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Reply #19 - Mar 20th, 2017 at 12:40pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 20th, 2017 at 8:39am:
Plenty there to give pause for thought. The warming and drying of the southern half of Australia in particular.

Ice Age—next one is due in about 85,000 years.


Not a problem

We'll adjust as we always have down through the millennia.

Meanwhile ...



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Reply #20 - Mar 20th, 2017 at 1:20pm
 
The_Barnacle wrote on Mar 20th, 2017 at 9:47am:
The cooling cycle won't begin for another few thousand years
What we are discussing is the current warming cycle that is caused by increased concentrations of CO2 in the atmosphere.


China, India, Africa, and all of South America have repeatedly told the West that they will use fossil fuels just as the West has done to fire-up its Industrial Revolution which turned us into the First World 'developed' nations that we are today.

It's got to be One-in, All-in .. or not at all.

Australia accounts for only 2% of the world's carbon emissions.

Get a life, you Marla-clone ass-monkeys.


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Reply #21 - Mar 20th, 2017 at 1:27pm
 
lee wrote on Mar 20th, 2017 at 9:42am:
Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 20th, 2017 at 7:26am:
And the “plant food” crap makes its umpteenth appearance.



You deny CO2 is plant food? You deny increased yields from CO2? You deny greening of the planet due to CO2?

You denier you. Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy



It would have been good for plants before the industrialization.  Right now, we are burning up fossil fuels and deforesting at a rate unseen over on Earth natural history (except perhaps that extinction event).  And that is the problem.
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Reply #22 - Mar 20th, 2017 at 1:40pm
 
tickleandrose wrote on Mar 20th, 2017 at 1:27pm:
lee wrote on Mar 20th, 2017 at 9:42am:
Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 20th, 2017 at 7:26am:
And the “plant food” crap makes its umpteenth appearance.



You deny CO2 is plant food? You deny increased yields from CO2? You deny greening of the planet due to CO2?

You denier you. Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy



It would have been good for plants before the industrialization.  Right now, we are burning up fossil fuels and deforesting at a rate unseen over on Earth natural history (except perhaps that extinction event).  And that is the problem. 



Hold it RIGHT THERE, Tickle!

No one's talking about deforestation and stripping our Planet Earth of its vegetation.

Coal.

That's it.

There are any number of ways of burning coal without it polluting the atmosphere.

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Reply #23 - Mar 20th, 2017 at 1:43pm
 
Just lie back and think of the next Ice Age ....


Your eye-lids are feeling heavy ... heavy ... heavy ...

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Reply #24 - Mar 20th, 2017 at 2:18pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 20th, 2017 at 1:40pm:
tickleandrose wrote on Mar 20th, 2017 at 1:27pm:
lee wrote on Mar 20th, 2017 at 9:42am:
Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 20th, 2017 at 7:26am:
And the “plant food” crap makes its umpteenth appearance.



You deny CO2 is plant food? You deny increased yields from CO2? You deny greening of the planet due to CO2?

You denier you. Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy



It would have been good for plants before the industrialization.  Right now, we are burning up fossil fuels and deforesting at a rate unseen over on Earth natural history (except perhaps that extinction event).  And that is the problem. 



Hold it RIGHT THERE, Tickle!

No one's talking about deforestation and stripping our Planet Earth of its vegetation.

Coal.

That's it.

There are any number of ways of burning coal without it polluting the atmosphere.



But its all connected in the carbon cycle.  And plus its very difficult to grown something back on a used coal mine.
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Reply #25 - Mar 20th, 2017 at 4:05pm
 
tickleandrose wrote on Mar 20th, 2017 at 1:27pm:
lee wrote on Mar 20th, 2017 at 9:42am:
Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 20th, 2017 at 7:26am:
And the “plant food” crap makes its umpteenth appearance.



You deny CO2 is plant food? You deny increased yields from CO2? You deny greening of the planet due to CO2?

You denier you. Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy



It would have been good for plants before the industrialization.  Right now, we are burning up fossil fuels and deforesting at a rate unseen over on Earth natural history (except perhaps that extinction event).  And that is the problem. 


You mean the extinction event where they modelled proven extinctions, extrapolated it with the unknown numbers of living organisms and came up with a number. That was so hilarious. Wink
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Jovial Monk says -"Loser Lees was dropped on his head on too many times as a baby"

JM says the potential melt from a glacier "Depends how fast it collapses." Roll Eyes
 
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Reply #26 - Mar 20th, 2017 at 4:16pm
 
tickleandrose wrote on Mar 20th, 2017 at 2:18pm:
But its all connected in the carbon cycle.  And plus its very difficult to grown something back on a used coal mine.



You mean you can't rehabilitate?

Now of course they are cutting down forests for wood pellets to burn in a coal plant (DRAX). The pellets are being cut in Canada and the USA.

So we have a couple of problems -

1. wood pellets have less thermal energy than coal.

2. The  manufacture of wood pellets uses non-renewable energy as well as the fossil fuels used to transport the pellets to the UK, train to DRAX.

Not a clean, green solution.
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Jovial Monk says -"Loser Lees was dropped on his head on too many times as a baby"

JM says the potential melt from a glacier "Depends how fast it collapses." Roll Eyes
 
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Reply #27 - Mar 20th, 2017 at 4:23pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 20th, 2017 at 12:40pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 20th, 2017 at 8:39am:
Plenty there to give pause for thought. The warming and drying of the southern half of Australia in particular.

Ice Age—next one is due in about 85,000 years.


Not a problem

We'll adjust as we always have down through the millennia.

Meanwhile ...




The last LIA a lot of people adapted by dying.
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Reply #28 - Mar 20th, 2017 at 4:24pm
 
lee wrote on Mar 20th, 2017 at 4:16pm:
tickleandrose wrote on Mar 20th, 2017 at 2:18pm:
But its all connected in the carbon cycle.  And plus its very difficult to grown something back on a used coal mine.



You mean you can't rehabilitate?

Now of course they are cutting down forests for wood pellets to burn in a coal plant (DRAX). The pellets are being cut in Canada and the USA.

So we have a couple of problems -

1. wood pellets have less thermal energy than coal.

2. The  manufacture of wood pellets uses non-renewable energy as well as the fossil fuels used to transport the pellets to the UK, train to DRAX.

Not a clean, green solution.


Renewable technology have to start somewhere.  Right now, our problem is that we are messing around with the carbon cycle in many aspects. Granted we have CO2 level like this before on Earth, but this time its different.  The rate of increase is alot higher, and we are messing with deforestation.  And this is on top of natural CO2 emissions. 

The non renewable carbon based energy is dirty, its the least abundant form of energy in the entire universe (that we know of), and its never going to be able to keep up with the growing population at the rate we are going. 

We need to do the right thing.  Instead of subsidizing this outdated form of energy generation, invest and give incentives to divest into renewable.   The race is on, who ever succeed in the renewable energy sector is going to be the next superpower.
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Reply #29 - Mar 20th, 2017 at 4:28pm
 
Nuclear has a role as non-intermittent power source. An ETS will make nuclear one of the best options.
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