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Reply #135 - Mar 24th, 2017 at 7:36pm
 
So, you have no idea what those forcings are. You just use them so you can tell yourself AGW does not exist.

Well, the forcings can’t be the sun, that has been quiescent for several decades and AGW is still powering along.
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Reply #136 - Mar 24th, 2017 at 8:00pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 24th, 2017 at 7:36pm:
So, you have no idea what those forcings are. You just use them so you can tell yourself AGW does not exist.

Well, the forcings can’t be the sun, that has been quiescent for several decades and AGW is still powering along.


Yeah. try turning the sun off for a couple of days and see what happens, Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #137 - Mar 24th, 2017 at 8:01pm
 
So, this talk of natural variation is just hot air.
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Reply #138 - Mar 24th, 2017 at 8:21pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 24th, 2017 at 8:01pm:
So, this talk of natural variation is just hot air.



Only AGW is all hot air.

Now about the logarithmic effect of CO2-

"For carbon dioxide, as has already been mentioned, parts of the spectrum are already so opaque that additional molecules of carbon dioxide are even less effective, the forcing is found to be logarithmic in concentration."

IPCC _far_wg_1_full_report.pdf
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Reply #139 - Mar 24th, 2017 at 8:29pm
 
Natural forcings?
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Reply #140 - Mar 24th, 2017 at 8:54pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 24th, 2017 at 8:29pm:
Natural forcings?



Yes good aren't they.

"Natural Forcings of the Climate System

Natural forcings are of two types.
     

External Forcings: These are essentially linked to changes in the orbital parameters of the earth that control the intensity and location of incident solar radiation, and fluctuations in solar energy."

"Internal Forcings: These comprise all those changes that occur within the earth system itself, in particular volcanic activity, fluctuations in ocean circulations and large-scale changes in the marine and terrestrial biosphere or in the cryosphere. "

http://know.climateofconcern.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=article&id=12...

Basics of climate science. Just for you.

Like El Nino, La Nina, AMO, NAO, PDO. You know the natural things.
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Reply #141 - Mar 24th, 2017 at 9:09pm
 
Orbital perturbations? bwahahahahahaha!

Sun has been quiescent for decades yet AGW goes on.

You got nothing.
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Reply #142 - Mar 24th, 2017 at 9:27pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 24th, 2017 at 9:09pm:
Orbital perturbations? bwahahahahahaha!

Sun has been quiescent for decades yet AGW goes on.

You got nothing.


You only want to to look at one metric? What a fool.
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Reply #143 - Mar 24th, 2017 at 9:53pm
 
You got nothing, Lees!

AGW pretty much explains and accounts for the warming. We know AGW exists, we know the mechanism. All this warming when the sun is quiescent, oh dear, orbital perturbations account for it do they?

Well, you are good for a laugh but that is about it.
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Reply #144 - Mar 25th, 2017 at 12:06pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 24th, 2017 at 9:53pm:
You got nothing, Lees!

AGW pretty much explains and accounts for the warming. We know AGW exists, we know the mechanism. All this warming when the sun is quiescent, oh dear, orbital perturbations account for it do they?

Well, you are good for a laugh but that is about it.


So the only things, according to you, that could possibly give rise to GW are the Sun and CO2?

Now everyone knows land use change gives rise to AGW. But that has never been an issue. It is your preoccupation with CO2 and its logarithmic effects.

You are really hopeless. Maybe you can tell us more about how a greenhouse works. Wink
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Reply #145 - Mar 25th, 2017 at 12:36pm
 
As I said, you are a bit of a joke and that is about all.
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Re: Tired of stupid AGW denialism?
Reply #146 - Mar 25th, 2017 at 1:06pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 25th, 2017 at 12:36pm:
As I said, you are a bit of a joke and that is about all.

Solid rebuttal.
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Reply #147 - Mar 26th, 2017 at 1:56am
 
lee wrote on Mar 24th, 2017 at 5:46pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 24th, 2017 at 3:59pm:
96% is natural says Lees.

Really?


Anthropogenic (man-made) CO2 additions comprise (11,880 / 370,484) or 3.207% of all greenhouse gas concentrations, (ignoring water vapor).

Total combined anthropogenic greenhouse gases comprise (12,217 / 370,484) or 3.298% of all greenhouse gas concentrations, (ignoring water vapor).

http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/greenhouse_data.html

EPA October 2000 data.

Edit: although I did see on SKS someone say that 7% is manmade.

Of course if you have other data you can provide it.

Anthropogenic additions of CO2 to the atmosphere lifted the concentration from 280 in 1880 to 405ppm today, an increase of 125, quite a few percent.
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Reply #148 - Mar 26th, 2017 at 9:30am
 
lee wrote on Mar 24th, 2017 at 8:54pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 24th, 2017 at 8:29pm:
Natural forcings?



Yes good aren't they.

"Natural Forcings of the Climate System

Natural forcings are of two types.
     

External Forcings: These are essentially linked to changes in the orbital parameters of the earth that control the intensity and location of incident solar radiation, and fluctuations in solar energy."

"Internal Forcings: These comprise all those changes that occur within the earth system itself, in particular volcanic activity, fluctuations in ocean circulations and large-scale changes in the marine and terrestrial biosphere or in the cryosphere. "

http://know.climateofconcern.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=article&id=12...

Basics of climate science. Just for you.

Like El Nino, La Nina, AMO, NAO, PDO. You know the natural things.


Ahahahah I mentioned those and Lees spewed. Now he puts them up as the cause.

One small problem: the globe has been warming since the mid 1850s, something like the Pacific Decadal Oscillation would change things only short term, like a decade.

Radiative forcings as we continue to increase the GHG content of the Atmosphere exponentially continue to drive the warming over the 167 years since the mid 1850s. No chart of temperature v time shows any hint of a reversal of warming, it show temperatures increasing exponentially.

While this has been happening radiative forcing by the sun has decreased very slightly. Oops.
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Re: Tired of stupid AGW denialism?
Reply #149 - Mar 26th, 2017 at 9:37am
 
http://www.eduplace.com/kids/hmsc/6/d/cricket/ckt_6d.shtml


What Really Causes the Ice Ages?
by Jeanne Miller

The last million years on Earth have been one long ice age, interrupted regularly by interglacials, or brief periods of warmth. The warm spells have usually lasted between 10,000 and 20,000 years. We're in one now that began about 12,000 years ago. So any millennium now the temperature will drop, glaciers will grow, and ice sheets thousands of kilometers thick will advance on the continents, devouring a large fraction of the land on the planet.

For most of the last million years these cycles of glaciation have occurred worldwide every 100,000 years—80,000 to 90,000 years of ice followed by 10,000 to 20,000 years of warmth. Why are they so regular?

In the mid-1800s, when the existence of ice ages was discovered, there was no way to know the cause or frequency of these climate changes. James Croll, a self-taught Scottish scientist, suggested that variations in the Earth's orbit around the Sun produced the effect. In the 1920s, Milutin Milankovitch, a Serbian engineer, developed Croll's hypothesis further.
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