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Reply #75 - Mar 25^th, 2017 at 3:26pm

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2017 at 10:56pm:

Appears to me that "Islamic Jihad" (in the sense you're misusing the words), is only global because the media makes it appear as such.

SO noticing and reporting a Islamic terrorism is now a media beatup, you pillock?

List of Islamic Terror: 2017

During this time period, there were 478 Islamic attacks in 39 countries, in which 3265 people were killed and 4008 injured.

List of Islamic Terror: 2016

During this time period, there were 2477 Islamic attacks in 59 countries, in which 21240 people were killed and 26680 injured.

It is seen as global because it IS global, you deliberately stupid old aunt with a 'masters degree specialising in history', don't you know.

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Reply #76 - Mar 25^th, 2017 at 10:06pm

Grendel wrote on Mar 25^th, 2017 at 1:52pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 25^th, 2017 at 10:45am:

Grendel wrote on Mar 25^th, 2017 at 10:10am:

It goes underground...

Correct. And they pay lip service to the force-conversion laws and become christian in name only. The pagans proved to be resilient for a time, and even appealed to the state for reason and tolerance. The state reacted with increased intolerance and increased persecution and slaughter. To wipe out such an entrenched and ancient cultural heritage across the vastness of the entire Roman Empire in such a short time was an extraordinary effort - and speaks to the sheer ruthlessness of the early church.

FD pretends such an epic cultural genocide was no worse than Muhammad overrunning a tiny city (Mecca) which killed 16 people, and forcing the inhabitants to abandon paganism.

So I agree with you... we should just get rid of them in the first place.

You can have multiple religions in a secular society... you just can't have ISLAM involved because it is more than just a religion and its tenets prevent it from ever fitting in.

So yes... get rid of them in the first place.

PROPOSITION [for one nano-second, exercise your imagination] ;

If there were no -- moslems -- in Australia, and, if there were no -- moslems -- in Europe,
it would be very unlikely that we would see any terror attacks being committed by moslems, in those places.

Trade with moslem majority states ?

Yes.

Allow moslems [followers of ISLAM] to live among us ?

Absolutely not !

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In moslem majority states; for example in Syria, Iraq, Sudan, Somalia, Yemen, Jordan, Lebanon, Turkey, Egypt, Libya, Tunisia, Mali, Nigeria, Iran, et al, moslems continue the holy struggle, to rid the world of the scourge of unbelief.

It is a holy quest.

And if moslems want to persue their holy quest of eliminating all disbelievers [i.e. 'the wrong kind of moslems'] within moslem majority states, then we infidels should not interfere, imo.

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"....the death of those who are killed for the cause of God gives more impetus to the cause, which continues to thrive on their blood."

ISLAMIC religious scholar, Sayyid Qutb

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Moslems, are a group of people who follow a 'religion' [i.e. a death cult] called ISLAM.

And the religious tenets of ISLAM teach the moslem, every moslem, that killing disbelievers is a wholly 'lawful' act.

"......the curse of Allah is on those without Faith."
Koran 2.089

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

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And that is how ISLAM is 'priming' the psyche, of every moslem, who we allow to live among us !!!

It can be 'fun' and 'exciting' for us, to allow a group of people who have 'religious' beliefs like moslems, to live among us !

Honest !

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IMAGE...

Farhad Khalil Mohammad Jabar outside Parramatta police headquarters

QUESTION;
What 'set off' Farhad Khalil Mohammad Jabar on that fateful day, to decide to murder Australian Curtis Cheng in Parramatta, NSW ???

ANSWER;
ONLY ALLAH KNOWS!

n.b.
ISLAMIC culture encouraged Farhad Khalil Mohammad Jabar, to murder Australian Curtis Cheng.

Farhad Khalil Mohammad Jabar was inspired by ISLAM's imperative, which urged him TO KILL THE ENEMIES OF ALLAH.

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Reply #77 - Mar 25^th, 2017 at 10:45pm

Frank wrote on Mar 25^th, 2017 at 8:46am:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 24^th, 2017 at 11:05pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 24^th, 2017 at 9:10pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2017 at 5:49pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2017 at 5:34pm:

The time must come when Muslims must be mad

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to take responsibility for their own bastards.

Interesting use of collective responsibility there, Soren.

What is wrong with the collective responsibility of people who confess the same ideology in whose name crimes and atrocities are committed??

So collective responsibility becomes in your mind, collective guilt?

Yes, distort what I said, invent an aspect and argue with your own invented point.

I take what you said to it's logical conclusion, Soren, nothing more. Why not answer the question instead of trying to evade it? Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

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Reply #78 - Mar 25^th, 2017 at 10:49pm

Frank wrote on Mar 25^th, 2017 at 3:26pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2017 at 10:56pm:

Appears to me that "Islamic Jihad" (in the sense you're misusing the words), is only global because the media makes it appear as such.

SO noticing and reporting a Islamic terrorism is now a media beatup, you pillock?

In part, yes, it is. As the overwhelming majority of Islamist attacks are against other Muslims, and are largely ignored by Western mass media, to them it appears that the only attack worth reporting is one in the West, against Westerners. They are feeding the Islamists, just as you and your Islamophobic mates are. You are doing what the Islamists want, you are stoking hatred against Muslims, simply because they share a religion with the Terrorists. You are doing exactly what the Fascists did in the 1920s and 1930s. You are creating and using a terror which if viewed objectively is tiny. You are more likely to be struck by lightning or win the Lotto than you are to being killed by an Islamist Terrorist, Soren. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

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Reply #79 - Mar 25^th, 2017 at 10:53pm

Grendel wrote on Mar 25^th, 2017 at 1:52pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 25^th, 2017 at 10:45am:

Grendel wrote on Mar 25^th, 2017 at 10:10am:

It goes underground...

Correct. And they pay lip service to the force-conversion laws and become christian in name only. The pagans proved to be resilient for a time, and even appealed to the state for reason and tolerance. The state reacted with increased intolerance and increased persecution and slaughter. To wipe out such an entrenched and ancient cultural heritage across the vastness of the entire Roman Empire in such a short time was an extraordinary effort - and speaks to the sheer ruthlessness of the early church.

FD pretends such an epic cultural genocide was no worse than Muhammad overrunning a tiny city (Mecca) which killed 16 people, and forcing the inhabitants to abandon paganism.

So I agree with you... we should just get rid of them in the first place.

You can have multiple religions in a secular society... you just can't have ISLAM involved because it is more than just a religion and its tenets prevent it from ever fitting in.

So yes... get rid of them in the first place.

So, massed deportations or death camps, Geoff? Which do you prefer? What about the Australian Muslims born in Australia? You going to renounce their citizenship simply because they worship a different god to you? Nice. Lets roll on the black uniforms and the massed torchlight processions, hey? Tsk, tsk, you true colours are showing through. Roll Eyes

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Reply #80 - Mar 25^th, 2017 at 11:33pm

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 25^th, 2017 at 10:49pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 25^th, 2017 at 3:26pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2017 at 10:56pm:

Appears to me that "Islamic Jihad" (in the sense you're misusing the words), is only global because the media makes it appear as such.

SO noticing and reporting a Islamic terrorism is now a media beatup, you pillock?

In part, yes, it is. As the overwhelming majority of Islamist attacks are against other Muslims.....

Brian Ross,

WHAT A CROCK OF SH ITE !

WHAT AN ATTEMPT, AT A PIECE OF MISDIRECTION [of truth and facts] !

When 'Islamists' stage 'attacks against other Muslims', moslems are seeking to murder 'disbelievers'.

Always.

e.g.

The conflict in Syria.

The Assad forces are Shia, are LAWFULLY [in their interpretation of ISLAM] battling against, and slaughtering 'disbelievers'.

The Free Syria coalition forces are Sunnis, are LAWFULLY [in their interpretation of ISLAM] battling against, and slaughtering 'disbelievers'.

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

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That is how ISLAM 'couches' warring moslems 'couch' the war, against their enemies.

Their enemies are always portrayed as the 'enemies of Allah'.

i.e.
With moslems, with ALL moslems, any who resist or oppose THEIR AUTHORITY, AND THEIR RIGHT TO RULE OTHERS, are, declared to be the 'enemies of Allah'.

i.e.
I does not matter who the moslem is fighting against, the enemy, HIS enemy, are always portrayed as being the 'enemies of Allah'.

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SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems

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SYRIA: An example of moslems slaughtering moslems...
...and an example of moslems justifying this slaughter, as a moslem war against infidels.

I just hate it.

This sophistry, and deliberate deceit, by ppl like Brian.

dam you%$#! ALL moslems!

And yes, let all moslems portray each other, as the 'disbelievers'.

And let all moslems slaughter each other.

And let the moslems taste the 'fruit' of their own works.

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The wicked......

Psalms 7:14
Behold, he travaileth with iniquity, and hath conceived mischief, and brought forth falsehood.
15 He made a pit, and digged it, and is fallen into the ditch which he made.
16 His mischief shall return upon his own head, and his violent dealing shall come down upon his own pate.
17 I will praise the LORD according to his righteousness: and will sing praise to the name of the LORD most high.

Psalms 9:16
The LORD is known by the judgment which he executeth: the wicked is snared in the work of his own hands. Higgaion. Selah.
17 The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.

Hallelujah !

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Re: Let there be no compulsion in religion - BUT....
Reply #81 - Mar 26^th, 2017 at 6:33am

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 25^th, 2017 at 10:53pm:

Grendel wrote on Mar 25^th, 2017 at 1:52pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 25^th, 2017 at 10:45am:

Grendel wrote on Mar 25^th, 2017 at 10:10am:

It goes underground...

Correct. And they pay lip service to the force-conversion laws and become christian in name only. The pagans proved to be resilient for a time, and even appealed to the state for reason and tolerance. The state reacted with increased intolerance and increased persecution and slaughter. To wipe out such an entrenched and ancient cultural heritage across the vastness of the entire Roman Empire in such a short time was an extraordinary effort - and speaks to the sheer ruthlessness of the early church.

FD pretends such an epic cultural genocide was no worse than Muhammad overrunning a tiny city (Mecca) which killed 16 people, and forcing the inhabitants to abandon paganism.

So I agree with you... we should just get rid of them in the first place.

You can have multiple religions in a secular society... you just can't have ISLAM involved because it is more than just a religion and its tenets prevent it from ever fitting in.

So yes... get rid of them in the first place.

So, massed deportations or death camps, Geoff? Which do you prefer? What about the Australian Muslims born in Australia? You going to renounce their citizenship simply because they worship a different god to you? Nice. Lets roll on the black uniforms and the massed torchlight processions, hey? Tsk, tsk, you true colours are showing through. Roll Eyes

No bwian... you are a clueless idiotic fool aren't you.

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Re: Let there be no compulsion in religion - BUT....
Reply #82 - Mar 26^th, 2017 at 8:31am

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 25^th, 2017 at 10:49pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 25^th, 2017 at 3:26pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2017 at 10:56pm:

Appears to me that "Islamic Jihad" (in the sense you're misusing the words), is only global because the media makes it appear as such.

SO noticing and reporting a Islamic terrorism is now a media beatup, you pillock?

In part, yes, it is. As the overwhelming majority of Islamist attacks are against other Muslims, and are largely ignored by Western mass media, to them it appears that the only attack worth reporting is one in the West, against Westerners. They are feeding the Islamists, just as you and your Islamophobic mates are. You are doing what the Islamists want, you are stoking hatred against Muslims, simply because they share a religion with the Terrorists. You are doing exactly what the Fascists did in the 1920s and 1930s. You are creating and using a terror which if viewed objectively is tiny. You are more likely to be struck by lightning or win the Lotto than you are to being killed by an Islamist Terrorist, Soren. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

The only reason it is tiny is because we have slaughtered enough Muslims to make them an insignificant threat. Nazism today is a tiny threat too, but you would not be foolish enough to demand we ignore efforts by Nazis to start again. What makes Islam any different? An objective investigation of their history, as well as current support for Islamofasism shows them to be a far bigger threat than Nazism. Far more effort has to be put in to preventing Islamic terror than all other terrorist groups combined. That we cannot prevent them getting past those efforts, and that they have a genuine agenda to ramp up the efforts, is newsworthy.

Being willfully ignorant of the threat is stupid - just as stupid as insisting we have no right or even ability to criticise foreign countries or other religion.

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Reply #83 - Mar 26^th, 2017 at 10:28am

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 25^th, 2017 at 10:45pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 25^th, 2017 at 8:46am:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 24^th, 2017 at 11:05pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 24^th, 2017 at 9:10pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2017 at 5:49pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2017 at 5:34pm:

The time must come when Muslims must be mad

[e]

to take responsibility for their own bastards.

Interesting use of collective responsibility there, Soren.

What is wrong with the collective responsibility of people who confess the same ideology in whose name crimes and atrocities are committed??

So collective responsibility becomes in your mind, collective guilt?

Yes, distort what I said, invent an aspect and argue with your own invented point.

I take what you said to it's logical conclusion, Soren, nothing more. Why not answer the question instead of trying to evade it? Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

Muslims make Islam what it is, nobody else. Just as Australians make Australia what it i, etc.

SO there is a collective responsibility, each responsible at his own level. A Muslim who excuses or covers up or commits an Islamic terror act is responsible and guilty at his own level.

Those who say that Islam has nothing to do with Islamic terror are numerous and individually they each bear a small responsibility. But because they are numerous, their effect is greater than the odd perpetrators, so the excusers, while individually are small parts, collectively are the most responsible and therefore the most guilty.

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Reply #85 - Mar 26^th, 2017 at 2:36pm

Grendel wrote on Mar 26^th, 2017 at 6:33am:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 25^th, 2017 at 10:53pm:

Grendel wrote on Mar 25^th, 2017 at 1:52pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 25^th, 2017 at 10:45am:

Grendel wrote on Mar 25^th, 2017 at 10:10am:

It goes underground...

Correct. And they pay lip service to the force-conversion laws and become christian in name only. The pagans proved to be resilient for a time, and even appealed to the state for reason and tolerance. The state reacted with increased intolerance and increased persecution and slaughter. To wipe out such an entrenched and ancient cultural heritage across the vastness of the entire Roman Empire in such a short time was an extraordinary effort - and speaks to the sheer ruthlessness of the early church.

FD pretends such an epic cultural genocide was no worse than Muhammad overrunning a tiny city (Mecca) which killed 16 people, and forcing the inhabitants to abandon paganism.

So I agree with you... we should just get rid of them in the first place.

You can have multiple religions in a secular society... you just can't have ISLAM involved because it is more than just a religion and its tenets prevent it from ever fitting in.

So yes... get rid of them in the first place.

So, massed deportations or death camps, Geoff? Which do you prefer? What about the Australian Muslims born in Australia? You going to renounce their citizenship simply because they worship a different god to you? Nice. Lets roll on the black uniforms and the massed torchlight processions, hey? Tsk, tsk, you true colours are showing through. Roll Eyes

No bwian... you are a clueless idiotic fool aren't you.

Oh, dear, more Ad hominem debate from the master of it. I am just so hurt, Geoff.

How about you address the point instead of attacking me, personally? Or is that simply too hard for you? Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

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Reply #86 - Mar 26^th, 2017 at 2:37pm

Grendel wrote on Mar 26^th, 2017 at 11:07am:

bwian terrorism is wrong.
Islamic terrorism is also wrong no matter who it is against.

Where have I denied that, Geoff? Roll Eyes

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Do stop with your attempts at being a spineless apologist for it eh. Cheesy

Oh, dear, more ad hominem debate from you. How unsurprising. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

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Reply #87 - Mar 26^th, 2017 at 2:44pm

Frank wrote on Mar 26^th, 2017 at 10:28am:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 25^th, 2017 at 10:45pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 25^th, 2017 at 8:46am:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 24^th, 2017 at 11:05pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 24^th, 2017 at 9:10pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2017 at 5:49pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2017 at 5:34pm:

The time must come when Muslims must be mad

[e]

to take responsibility for their own bastards.

Interesting use of collective responsibility there, Soren.

What is wrong with the collective responsibility of people who confess the same ideology in whose name crimes and atrocities are committed??

So collective responsibility becomes in your mind, collective guilt?

Yes, distort what I said, invent an aspect and argue with your own invented point.

I take what you said to it's logical conclusion, Soren, nothing more. Why not answer the question instead of trying to evade it? Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

Muslims make Islam what it is, nobody else. Just as Australians make Australia what it i

[s],

etc.

True. Why then do you concentrate on what the minority are doing, instead of what the majority are doing all the time, Soren? Could it because it feeds your Islamophobia? Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

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SO there is a collective responsibility, each responsible at his own level. A Muslim who excuses or covers up or commits an Islamic terror act is responsible and guilty at his own level.

True. However, what about a Baby Muslim or an Old Age Pensioner Muslim, are they as guilty? How about a Muslim in Australia or a America, are they as guilty as a Muslim in say Syria or Iraq? According to your logic, they are. Afterall, they are all collectively Muslims, now aren't they? What about a non-Islamist Muslim, are they as guilty as well? Tsk, tsk, your logic is faulty, Soren. Not unusual for a person who believes in prejudice over rationality. Roll Eyes

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Those who say that Islam has nothing to do with Islamic terror are numerous and individually they each bear a small responsibility. But because they are numerous, their effect is greater than the odd perpetrators, so the excusers, while individually are small parts, collectively are the most responsible and therefore the most guilty.

Those that say Islamist Terrorism has little to do with their beliefs in Islam are correct, Soren. You appear to believe that because one Muslim takes heart from the Q'ran and blows somebody up, all Muslims who don't believe in those sections of the Q'ran, are equally guilty with the perpetrators. In reality, relatively few Muslims (compared to the massed total of all Muslims) live in Syria, Iraq, Somalia, etc. How can they stop the Islamists who do live there and commit Terrorist acts? I suppose they can flap their arms and fly there, right? Fool. Roll Eyes

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Reply #88 - Mar 26^th, 2017 at 3:04pm

freediver wrote on Mar 26^th, 2017 at 8:31am:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 25^th, 2017 at 10:49pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 25^th, 2017 at 3:26pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2017 at 10:56pm:

Appears to me that "Islamic Jihad" (in the sense you're misusing the words), is only global because the media makes it appear as such.

SO noticing and reporting a Islamic terrorism is now a media beatup, you pillock?

In part, yes, it is. As the overwhelming majority of Islamist attacks are against other Muslims, and are largely ignored by Western mass media, to them it appears that the only attack worth reporting is one in the West, against Westerners. They are feeding the Islamists, just as you and your Islamophobic mates are. You are doing what the Islamists want, you are stoking hatred against Muslims, simply because they share a religion with the Terrorists. You are doing exactly what the Fascists did in the 1920s and 1930s. You are creating and using a terror which if viewed objectively is tiny. You are more likely to be struck by lightning or win the Lotto than you are to being killed by an Islamist Terrorist, Soren. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

The only reason it is tiny is because we have slaughtered enough Muslims to make them an insignificant threat.

Really? I'm sorry, I must have missed the Concentration Camps in outback Australia, FD. I must have missed the Gibbets on the street corners. Where did this slaughter occur? Did it really stop the Terrorist attacks? Made them an, "insignificant threat"? If the threat is "insignificant" then why are we wasting so much time and lucre and losing so much freedom to prevent it?

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Nazism today is a tiny threat too, but you would not be foolish enough to demand we ignore efforts by Nazis to start again. What makes Islam any different? An objective investigation of their history, as well as current support for Islamofasism shows them to be a far bigger threat than Nazism. Far more effort has to be put in to preventing Islamic terror than all other terrorist groups combined. That we cannot prevent them getting past those efforts, and that they have a genuine agenda to ramp up the efforts, is newsworthy.

We fought a long, bloody war to reduce the threat of Naziism, FD, remember? Millions died as a consequence. The streets ran with blood. Bodies were everywhere. Amazing what a short memory you have, where your Islamophobia is concerned. "Islamofacism" doesn't exist, except in yours and your fellow Islamophobes' imaginations. How can less than 2% of our population of which only a tiny minority actually support Islamism constitute a bigger threat than several million Nazis?

Violent Islamism has risen and is now decreasing, markedly amongst Muslims. They have seen it's effects, they have seen the West's reaction and they know they are on a losing wicket. Muslims are not, despite how you and your fellow Islamophobes like to portray them, stupid. They know the West is their meal ticket. They will seek to change it, just as have the Japanese, the Chinese, the Indians, and so on, to suit their own viewpoint but generally, they are supportive of it.

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Being willfully ignorant of the threat is stupid - just as stupid as insisting we have no right or even ability to criticise foreign countries or other religion.

Who is "wilfully ignorant of the threat," FD, except yourself. The threat is by your own admission, "insignificant", something I have always maintained. The total number of Westerners killed by Islamists is tiny compared to the Muslims killed. We should be arming the Muslims in Iraq, Nigeria, Somalia, etc. and telling them to clean up their own countries rather than intervening with our own forces. We should be supporting them with air power. We should also be providing them with aid to build up their own nations. We should not be condemning them, there or here, FD. As I keep pointing out, all that does is play into the Terrorists hands. Roll Eyes

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Reply #89 - Mar 26^th, 2017 at 3:14pm

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 26^th, 2017 at 2:36pm:

Grendel wrote on Mar 26^th, 2017 at 6:33am:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 25^th, 2017 at 10:53pm:

Grendel wrote on Mar 25^th, 2017 at 1:52pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 25^th, 2017 at 10:45am:

Grendel wrote on Mar 25^th, 2017 at 10:10am:

It goes underground...

Correct. And they pay lip service to the force-conversion laws and become christian in name only. The pagans proved to be resilient for a time, and even appealed to the state for reason and tolerance. The state reacted with increased intolerance and increased persecution and slaughter. To wipe out such an entrenched and ancient cultural heritage across the vastness of the entire Roman Empire in such a short time was an extraordinary effort - and speaks to the sheer ruthlessness of the early church.

FD pretends such an epic cultural genocide was no worse than Muhammad overrunning a tiny city (Mecca) which killed 16 people, and forcing the inhabitants to abandon paganism.

So I agree with you... we should just get rid of them in the first place.

You can have multiple religions in a secular society... you just can't have ISLAM involved because it is more than just a religion and its tenets prevent it from ever fitting in.

So yes... get rid of them in the first place.

So, massed deportations or death camps, Geoff? Which do you prefer? What about the Australian Muslims born in Australia? You going to renounce their citizenship simply because they worship a different god to you? Nice. Lets roll on the black uniforms and the massed torchlight processions, hey? Tsk, tsk, you true colours are showing through. Roll Eyes

No bwian... you are a clueless idiotic fool aren't you.

Oh, dear, more Ad hominem debate from the master of it. I am just so hurt, Geoff.

How about you address the point instead of attacking me, personally? Or is that simply too hard for you? Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

Oh gee bwian surely you can come up with something new for once not just your usual ad hom and lies... you lied bwian you lied about me and what I think... that makes you a clueless foolish idiot... them's just facts bwian.

You attacked me bwian... tsk tsk, tsk.... oh dearie, dearie me.

You need to get your act in gear... stop being a lying hypocrite... Cheesy

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