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Reply #30 - Mar 18th, 2017 at 9:37am
 
we shouldnt sneer at new ideas..

its worth looking at.. lets face it gordy what we are doing isnt stopping anything....

mind you at the same time they will need to raise the drinking law ages as well..

most kids in the N,.T, are troubled by alcohol...

maybe raise the age to 25..
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Reply #31 - Mar 18th, 2017 at 9:38am
 
mothra wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 9:22am:
rhino wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 9:16am:
Taking all the sensationalist emotion out of it, an 18 year old got 6 years for manslaughter. Nothing unusual  about that. Thats in par.


Seriously? After terrorising Aboriginal people all night:

"Kloeden immediately executed a sudden u-turn. He stopped so close to Ryder that Ryder could grab the bullbar. All four passengers raced out of the car, with Hird the first one out. Without checking the damage to the car, they chased Ryder, who tripped and fell. Confronted with a man ‘lying defenceless and incapable of posing any threat to any of the offenders’, they repeatedly kicked him in the head, and Spears struck his head with a bottle. They told him ‘Don’t bugger with us’.

Swain, who had kicked Ryder in the head twice, noticed he was lying motionless, and that something was plainly wrong. He called out ‘Let’s go’, considering that the most appropriate reaction. They got into the car. Kloeden hadn’t gotten out of the car because he was executing a three-point-turn. Apparently untroubled by what he saw, Kloeden was ‘seen to drive away at a leisurely, normal pace’."


Should be murder.

The fact that you dont know the difference between manslaughter and murder doesnt make this any different to other manslaughter cases. In this case, the fact the victims were aboriginal is irrelevant, just as it would be if the perpetrators were aboriginal themselves. The sentences appear in line with precedent and the perpetrators were all youths.
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Reply #32 - Mar 18th, 2017 at 9:39am
 
The law enforcement and justice system in Australia is patently corrupt.

If perpetrators had been Muslims they would have got life sentences.

Police and prosecution trivialized the murder.
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Reply #33 - Mar 18th, 2017 at 9:42am
 
Unforgiven wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 9:39am:
The law enforcement and justice system in Australia is patently corrupt.

If perpetrators had been Muslims they would have got life sentences.

Police and prosecution trivialized the murder.


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Reply #34 - Mar 18th, 2017 at 9:42am
 
rhino wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 9:38am:
mothra wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 9:22am:
rhino wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 9:16am:
Taking all the sensationalist emotion out of it, an 18 year old got 6 years for manslaughter. Nothing unusual  about that. Thats in par.


Seriously? After terrorising Aboriginal people all night:

"Kloeden immediately executed a sudden u-turn. He stopped so close to Ryder that Ryder could grab the bullbar. All four passengers raced out of the car, with Hird the first one out. Without checking the damage to the car, they chased Ryder, who tripped and fell. Confronted with a man ‘lying defenceless and incapable of posing any threat to any of the offenders’, they repeatedly kicked him in the head, and Spears struck his head with a bottle. They told him ‘Don’t bugger with us’.

Swain, who had kicked Ryder in the head twice, noticed he was lying motionless, and that something was plainly wrong. He called out ‘Let’s go’, considering that the most appropriate reaction. They got into the car. Kloeden hadn’t gotten out of the car because he was executing a three-point-turn. Apparently untroubled by what he saw, Kloeden was ‘seen to drive away at a leisurely, normal pace’."


Should be murder.

The fact that you dont know the difference between manslaughter and murder doesnt make this any different to other manslaughter cases. In this case, the fact the victims were aboriginal is irrelevant, just as it would be if the perpetrators were aboriginal themselves. The sentences appear in line with precedent and the perpetrators were all youths.



After terrorising Aboriginals all night (for which they were not punished), they, quite deliberately, kicked a man to death.

Nice of you to make excuses or them.
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Reply #35 - Mar 18th, 2017 at 9:42am
 
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Reply #36 - Mar 18th, 2017 at 9:42am
 
Unforgiven wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 9:39am:
The law enforcement and justice system in Australia is patently corrupt.

If perpetrators had been Muslims they would have got life sentences.

Police and prosecution trivialized the murder.
This is a particularly stupid statement from yourself this morning. Put your dunce hat on and go sit in the corner.
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Reply #37 - Mar 18th, 2017 at 9:43am
 
Unforgiven wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 9:39am:
The law enforcement and justice system in Australia is patently corrupt.

If perpetrators had been Muslims they would have got life sentences.

Police and prosecution trivialized the murder.


Agreed.
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Reply #38 - Mar 18th, 2017 at 9:44am
 
mothra wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 9:42am:
rhino wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 9:38am:
mothra wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 9:22am:
rhino wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 9:16am:
Taking all the sensationalist emotion out of it, an 18 year old got 6 years for manslaughter. Nothing unusual  about that. Thats in par.


Seriously? After terrorising Aboriginal people all night:

"Kloeden immediately executed a sudden u-turn. He stopped so close to Ryder that Ryder could grab the bullbar. All four passengers raced out of the car, with Hird the first one out. Without checking the damage to the car, they chased Ryder, who tripped and fell. Confronted with a man ‘lying defenceless and incapable of posing any threat to any of the offenders’, they repeatedly kicked him in the head, and Spears struck his head with a bottle. They told him ‘Don’t bugger with us’.

Swain, who had kicked Ryder in the head twice, noticed he was lying motionless, and that something was plainly wrong. He called out ‘Let’s go’, considering that the most appropriate reaction. They got into the car. Kloeden hadn’t gotten out of the car because he was executing a three-point-turn. Apparently untroubled by what he saw, Kloeden was ‘seen to drive away at a leisurely, normal pace’."


Should be murder.

The fact that you dont know the difference between manslaughter and murder doesnt make this any different to other manslaughter cases. In this case, the fact the victims were aboriginal is irrelevant, just as it would be if the perpetrators were aboriginal themselves. The sentences appear in line with precedent and the perpetrators were all youths.



After terrorising Aboriginals all night (for which they were not punished), they, quite deliberately, kicked a man to death.

Nice of you to make excuses or them.
Clearly it was proven in a court of law the intention was not to murder. What do you want , a lynch mob?
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Reply #39 - Mar 18th, 2017 at 9:44am
 
mothra wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 9:42am:
rhino wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 9:38am:
mothra wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 9:22am:
rhino wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 9:16am:
Taking all the sensationalist emotion out of it, an 18 year old got 6 years for manslaughter. Nothing unusual  about that. Thats in par.


Seriously? After terrorising Aboriginal people all night:

"Kloeden immediately executed a sudden u-turn. He stopped so close to Ryder that Ryder could grab the bullbar. All four passengers raced out of the car, with Hird the first one out. Without checking the damage to the car, they chased Ryder, who tripped and fell. Confronted with a man ‘lying defenceless and incapable of posing any threat to any of the offenders’, they repeatedly kicked him in the head, and Spears struck his head with a bottle. They told him ‘Don’t bugger with us’.

Swain, who had kicked Ryder in the head twice, noticed he was lying motionless, and that something was plainly wrong. He called out ‘Let’s go’, considering that the most appropriate reaction. They got into the car. Kloeden hadn’t gotten out of the car because he was executing a three-point-turn. Apparently untroubled by what he saw, Kloeden was ‘seen to drive away at a leisurely, normal pace’."


Should be murder.

The fact that you dont know the difference between manslaughter and murder doesnt make this any different to other manslaughter cases. In this case, the fact the victims were aboriginal is irrelevant, just as it would be if the perpetrators were aboriginal themselves. The sentences appear in line with precedent and the perpetrators were all youths.



After terrorising Aboriginals all night (for which they were not punished), they, quite deliberately, kicked a man to death.

Nice of you to make excuses or them.



Yes they were acting like barbarians all night, but the actual death was manslaughter. That's the way the law works.

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Reply #40 - Mar 18th, 2017 at 9:45am
 
Gordon wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 9:42am:



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Reply #41 - Mar 18th, 2017 at 9:46am
 
mothra wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 9:43am:
Unforgiven wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 9:39am:
The law enforcement and justice system in Australia is patently corrupt.

If perpetrators had been Muslims they would have got life sentences.

Police and prosecution trivialized the murder.


Agreed.


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Reply #42 - Mar 18th, 2017 at 9:48am
 
rhino wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 9:44am:
mothra wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 9:42am:
rhino wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 9:38am:
mothra wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 9:22am:
rhino wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 9:16am:
Taking all the sensationalist emotion out of it, an 18 year old got 6 years for manslaughter. Nothing unusual  about that. Thats in par.


Seriously? After terrorising Aboriginal people all night:

"Kloeden immediately executed a sudden u-turn. He stopped so close to Ryder that Ryder could grab the bullbar. All four passengers raced out of the car, with Hird the first one out. Without checking the damage to the car, they chased Ryder, who tripped and fell. Confronted with a man ‘lying defenceless and incapable of posing any threat to any of the offenders’, they repeatedly kicked him in the head, and Spears struck his head with a bottle. They told him ‘Don’t bugger with us’.

Swain, who had kicked Ryder in the head twice, noticed he was lying motionless, and that something was plainly wrong. He called out ‘Let’s go’, considering that the most appropriate reaction. They got into the car. Kloeden hadn’t gotten out of the car because he was executing a three-point-turn. Apparently untroubled by what he saw, Kloeden was ‘seen to drive away at a leisurely, normal pace’."


Should be murder.

The fact that you dont know the difference between manslaughter and murder doesnt make this any different to other manslaughter cases. In this case, the fact the victims were aboriginal is irrelevant, just as it would be if the perpetrators were aboriginal themselves. The sentences appear in line with precedent and the perpetrators were all youths.



After terrorising Aboriginals all night (for which they were not punished), they, quite deliberately, kicked a man to death.

Nice of you to make excuses or them.
Clearly it was proven in a court of law the intention was not to murder. What do you want , a lynch mob?


Did you read the court transcripts?

The judge was a raving racist. He described the foul creatures as "good blokes".

What, pray tell, do you think happens to a person who is already immobolised when you kick the repeatedly about the head?
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Reply #43 - Mar 18th, 2017 at 9:53am
 
Emotional argument. The fella that didnt hit anyone got 4 years. Do you think thats right?
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Reply #44 - Mar 18th, 2017 at 9:55am
 
mothra wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 9:48am:
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The judge was a raving racist. He described the foul creatures as "good blokes".
maybe they are and this is out of character?
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What, pray tell, do you think happens to a person who is already immobolised when you kick the repeatedly about the head?
Mostly they live.
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