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Mar 17th, 2017 at 12:07pm
 
Threats of violent Islamist and far-right extremism: What does the research say?

February 22, 2017 1.09pm AEDT


On a Tuesday morning in September 2001, the American experience with terrorism was fundamentally altered. Two thousand, nine hundred and ninety-six people were murdered in New York, Virginia and Pennsylvania. Thousands more, including many first responders, lost their lives to health complications from working at or being near Ground Zero.

The 9/11 attacks were perpetrated by Islamist extremists, resulting in nearly 18 times more deaths than America’s second most devastating terrorist attack – the Oklahoma City bombing. More than any other terrorist event in U.S. history, 9/11 drives Americans’ perspectives on who and what ideologies are associated with violent extremism.

But focusing solely on Islamist extremism when investigating, researching and developing counterterrorism policies goes against what the numbers tell us. Far-right extremism also poses a significant threat to the lives and well-being of Americans. This risk is often ignored or underestimated because of the devastating impact of the 9/11 terrorist attacks.

We have spent more than 10 years collecting and analyzing empirical data that show us how these ideologies vary in important ways that can inform policy decisions. Our conclusion is that a “one size fits all” approach to countering violent extremism may not be effective.

By the numbers

Historically, the U.S. has been home to adherents of many types of extremist ideologies. The two current most prominent threats are motivated by Islamist extremism and far-right extremism.

To help assess these threats, the Department of Homeland Security and recently the Department of Justice have funded the Extremist Crime Database to collect data on crimes committed by ideologically motivated extremists in the United States. The results of our analyses are published in peer-reviewed journals and on the website for the National Consortium for the Study of Terrorism & Responses to Terrorism.

The ECDB includes data on ideologically motivated homicides committed by both Islamist extremists and far-right extremists going back more than 25 years.


Between 1990 and 2014, the ECDB has identified 38 homicide events motivated by Islamist extremism that killed 62 people. When you include 9/11, those numbers jump dramatically to 39 homicide events and 3,058 killed.

The database also identified 177 homicide events motivated by far-right extremism, with 245 killed. And when you include the Oklahoma City bombing, it rises to 178 homicide events and 413 killed.

Although our data for 2015 through 2017 are still being verified, we counted five homicide events perpetrated by Islamist extremists that resulted in the murders of 74 people. This includes the Pulse nightclub massacre in Orlando, which killed 49 people. In the same time period, there were eight homicide events committed by far-right extremists that killed 27 people.

These data reveal that far-right extremists tend to be more active in committing homicides, yet Islamist extremists tend to be more deadly.

Our research has also identified violent Islamist extremist plots against 272 targets that were either foiled or failed between 2001 and 2014. We are in the process of compiling similar data on far-right plots. Although data collection is only about 50 percent complete, we have already identified 213 far-right targets from the same time period.


The locations of violent extremist activity also differ by ideology. Our data show that between 1990 and 2014, most Islamist extremist attacks occurred in the South (56.5 percent), and most far-right extremist attacks occurred in the West (34.7 percent). Both forms of violence were least likely to occur in the Midwest, with only three incidents committed by Islamist extremists (4.8 percent) and 33 events committed by far-right extremists (13.5 percent).

Targets of violence also vary across the two ideologies. For example, 63 percent of the Islamist extremism victims were targeted for no apparent reason. They just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time, often visiting symbolic locations or crowded venues such as the World Trade Center or military installations.

In contrast, 53 percent of victims killed by far-right extremists were targeted for their actual or perceived race or ethnicity. Far-right extremists, such as neo-Nazis, skinheads and white supremacists, often target religious, racial and ethnic, and sexual orientation and gender identity minorities.
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Motives and methods

There are also differences in violent extremists across demographics, motives and methods. For instance, data show that guns were the weapon of choice in approximately 73 percent of Islamist extremist homicides and in only 63 percent of far-right extremist homicides. We attribute these differences to far-right extremists using more personal forms of violence, such as beating or stabbing victims to death.

We have also found that suicide missions are not unique to Islamist extremists.

From 1990 to 2014, we identified three suicide missions in which at least one person was killed connected to Islamist extremism, including the 9/11 attacks as one event. In contrast, there were 15 suicide missions committed by far-right extremists.

Our analyses found that compared to Islamist extremists, far-right extremists were significantly more likely to be economically deprived, have served in the military and have a higher level of commitment to their ideology. Far-right extremists were also significantly more likely to be less educated, single, young and to have participated in training by a group associated with their extremist ideology.

Threat to law enforcement and military

Terrorists associated with Islamist and far-right extremist ideologies do not only attack civilians. They also pose a deadly threat to law enforcement and military personnel. During the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, 72 law enforcement officers and 55 military personnel were killed by members of Al-Qaida. On April 19, 1995, 13 law enforcement officers and four military personnel were killed when the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building was bombed by an anti-government far-right extremist in Oklahoma City.


Outside of these two events, Islamist extremists are responsible for the murders of 18 military personnel in three incidents, and seven law enforcement officers were killed in five incidents between 1990 and 2015. Far-right extremists have murdered 57 law enforcement officers in 46 incidents, but have never directly targeted military personnel.

Far-right extremists, who typically harbor anti-government sentiments, have a higher likelihood of escalating routine law enforcement contacts into fatal encounters. These homicides pose unique challenges to local law enforcement officers who are disproportionately targeted by the far right.

Moving forward

The events of 9/11 will continue to skew both our real and perceived risks of violent extremism in the United States. To focus solely on Islamist extremism is to ignore the murders perpetrated by the extreme far right and their place in a constantly changing threat environment.

Some have even warned that there is potential for collaboration between these extremist movements. Our own survey research suggests this is a concern of law enforcement.

Focusing on national counterterrorism efforts against both Islamist and far-right extremism acknowledges that there are differences between these two violent movements. Focusing solely on one, while ignoring the other, will increase the risk of domestic terrorism and future acts of violence.

Both ideologies continue to pose real, unique threats to all Americans. Evidence shows far-right violent extremism poses a particular threat to law enforcement and racial, ethnic, religious and other minorities. Islamist violent extremism is a specific danger to military members, law enforcement, certain minorities and society at large. It remains imperative to support policies, programs and research aimed at countering all forms of violent extremism.


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Oklahoma City and New York 911 make a good comparison. On one hand you have two disgruntled men who were not affiliated with an organisation, and on the other you have a carefully orchestrated and supported group of fanatics who represent a long established and widely spread religion.
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issuevoter wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 1:02pm:
Oklahoma City and New York 911 make a good comparison. On one hand you have two disgruntled men who were not affiliated with an organisation, and on the other you have a carefully orchestrated and supported group of fanatics who represent a long established and widely spread religion.



men have always been violent issue...they have never needed much of an excuse to fight one another....

I think survival has a bit to do with it....but our history for as far back as we can go.. has always been one group against another...... not one group helping another......

we havent advanced much have we??..its animal instinct I think maybe protecting my patch.. or someone greedy who is after someone elses patch...

the difference now is we fight with guns and bombs.. not bows and arrow... we do more damage with very little...than ever before....

and the way i see mankind going..

he doesnt care all that much what he inflicts....

and then we have the blame game to fall back on..

its not my fault its your fault..

and so it goes on... and gets worse...

the good "lord".. I dont care what you call him

must be shaking his head in despair.. Sad Sad

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issuevoter wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 1:02pm:
Oklahoma City and New York 911 make a good comparison. On one hand you have two disgruntled men who were not affiliated with an organisation, and on the other you have a carefully orchestrated and supported group of fanatics who represent a long established and widely spread religion.



Nailed it.
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I rarely comment on this stuff..I don't understand the insane senseless craziness and violent retribution that lives in the hearts of these pp. Makes no sense to me..but the religion and their culture is not compatible with rest of mankind..
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issuevoter wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 1:02pm:
Oklahoma City and New York 911 make a good comparison. On one hand you have two disgruntled men who were not affiliated with an organisation, and on the other you have a carefully orchestrated and supported group of fanatics who represent a long established and widely spread religion.



The terrorists who flew into the WTCs are no more representative o Islam than Christian terrorists are representative of Christianity.

This is clearly evidenced by the fact that most Muslims are not terrorists.

It is interesting to point out that since 9/11, there have been 13 terrorist attacks in thee US attributable to Christian terrorism yet only 5 attributable to Islamic terrorism.

And Timothy McVeigh was indeed disgruntled but he was a right-wing terrorist just the same.
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Reply #8 - Mar 17th, 2017 at 1:56pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 1:50pm:
issuevoter wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 1:02pm:
Oklahoma City and New York 911 make a good comparison. On one hand you have two disgruntled men who were not affiliated with an organisation, and on the other you have a carefully orchestrated and supported group of fanatics who represent a long established and widely spread religion.



Nailed it.



Nope. See above.
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mothra wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 1:55pm:
The terrorists who flew into the WTCs are no more representative o Islam than Christian terrorists are representative of Christianity.

This is clearly evidenced by the fact that most Muslims are not terrorists.

It is interesting to point out that since 9/11, there have been 13 terrorist attacks in thee US attributable to Christian terrorism yet only 5 attributable to Islamic terrorism.

And Timothy McVeigh was indeed disgruntled but he was a right-wing terrorist just the same.


You're not even trying, are you?

I'm sick of having to type out the same things again and again. Before every barbarism the ISIS terrorists would read out to the gathered mobs passages from the Koran to justify their actions.

Do you think you can remember this? Is it possible for you to retain this in your memory bank so we don't have to keep on having to re-live Ground Hog Day in these threads?




'There is a wide range of Muslim attitudes toward terrorism. Most surveys find a majority of Muslims oppose terrorism, while a relevant minority is in support of it.

'Demonstrations in support

Upon Osama bin Laden's death, some Muslims in the UK came out on the streets in support of bin Laden, praising him as an Islamic hero and condemned the role of US and west in killing him. The protest was organised by the activist Anjem Choudary, who earlier praised both 7/7 and the September 11 attacks, and was later jailed for his support of ISIS.

'In a 2007 Pew Research poll in response to a question on whether suicide bombing and other forms of violence against civilian targets to defend Islam could be justified,[30] in Europe:


    (55 vs 45) 45% of Muslims in Egypt believed it could never be justified, 25% believed it could be justified rarely, 20% sometimes, and 8% thought it could be justified often.
    (39 vs 61) 61% of Muslims in Turkey believed it could never be justified, 9% believed it could be justified rarely, 14% sometimes, and 3% thought it could be justified often.
    (57 vs 43) 43% of Muslims in Jordan believed it could never be justified, 28% believed it could be justified rarely, 24% sometimes, and 5% thought it could be justified often.
    (72 vs 28) 28% of Muslims in Nigeria believed it could never be justified, 23% believed it could be justified rarely, 38% sometimes, and 8% thought it could be justified often.
    (31 vs 69) 69% of Muslims in Pakistan believed it could never be justified, 8% believed it could be justified rarely, 7% sometimes, and 7% thought it could be justified often.
    (29 vs 71) 71% of Muslims in Indonesia believed it could never be justified, 18% believed it could be justified rarely, 8% sometimes, and 2% thought it could be justified often.


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I'll keep posting this up until some of you slower ones get the message.

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mothra wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 1:55pm:
It is interesting to point out that since 9/11, there have been 13 terrorist attacks in thee US attributable to Christian terrorism yet only 5 attributable to Islamic terrorism.


Silence from the Islamophobes.

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Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 2:11pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 1:55pm:
The terrorists who flew into the WTCs are no more representative o Islam than Christian terrorists are representative of Christianity.


Nonsense.

Polls taken after 9/11 showed that a

This is clearly evidenced by the fact that most Muslims are not terrorists.

It is interesting to point out that since 9/11, there have been 13 terrorist attacks in thee US attributable to Christian terrorism yet only 5 attributable to Islamic terrorism.

And Timothy McVeigh was indeed disgruntled but he was a right-wing terrorist just the same.



'There is a wide range of Muslim attitudes toward terrorism. Most surveys find a majority of Muslims oppose terrorism, while a relevant minority is in support of it.

'Demonstrations in support

Upon Osama bin Laden's death, some Muslims in the UK came out on the streets in support of bin Laden, praising him as an Islamic hero and condemned the role of US and west in killing him. The protest was organised by the activist Anjem Choudary, who earlier praised both 7/7 and the September 11 attacks, and was later jailed for his support of ISIS.

'In a 2007 Pew Research poll in response to a question on whether suicide bombing and other forms of violence against civilian targets to defend Islam could be justified,[30] in Europe:


    (55 vs 45) 45% of Muslims in Egypt believed it could never be justified, 25% believed it could be justified rarely, 20% sometimes, and 8% thought it could be justified often.
    (39 vs 61) 61% of Muslims in Turkey believed it could never be justified, 9% believed it could be justified rarely, 14% sometimes, and 3% thought it could be justified often.
    (57 vs 43) 43% of Muslims in Jordan believed it could never be justified, 28% believed it could be justified rarely, 24% sometimes, and 5% thought it could be justified often.
    (72 vs 28) 28% of Muslims in Nigeria believed it could never be justified, 23% believed it could be justified rarely, 38% sometimes, and 8% thought it could be justified often.
    (31 vs 69) 69% of Muslims in Pakistan believed it could never be justified, 8% believed it could be justified rarely, 7% sometimes, and 7% thought it could be justified often.
    (29 vs 71) 71% of Muslims in Indonesia believed it could never be justified, 18% believed it could be justified rarely, 8% sometimes, and 2% thought it could be justified often.


link


I'll keep posting this up until some of you slower ones get the message.

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A poll wholly influenced by the fact that much of the Middle East is at war.

In any case, that does not evidence that "the terrorists that flew into the WTCs are any more representative of Islam than Christian terrorists are representative of Christianity".

Would you like to try again?
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Reply #12 - Mar 17th, 2017 at 2:18pm
 
mothra wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 1:55pm:
issuevoter wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 1:02pm:
Oklahoma City and New York 911 make a good comparison. On one hand you have two disgruntled men who were not affiliated with an organisation, and on the other you have a carefully orchestrated and supported group of fanatics who represent a long established and widely spread religion.



The terrorists who flew into the WTCs are no more representative o Islam than Christian terrorists are representative of Christianity.

This is clearly evidenced by the fact that most Muslims are not terrorists.

It is interesting to point out that since 9/11, there have been 13 terrorist attacks in thee US attributable to Christian terrorism yet only 5 attributable to Islamic terrorism.

And Timothy McVeigh was indeed disgruntled but he was a right-wing terrorist just the same.



What possible could be the agenda of christian terrorists be, in the most wacka fkken doodle christian nation on the planet?

Not enough praising of jesus at every public gathering?

I really would like to know what the fkk do the jesus fkktards have to complain about.


If anything the USA needs a lot less religion and lot more atheism.

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Difference is RWNJ are isolated craziest.

Islamist crazies are brainwashed in a mosque
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mothra wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 2:16pm:
A poll wholly influenced by the fact that much of the Middle East is at war.


They believe that blowing up civilian targets is justified. This seems reasonable to you, does it?

mothra wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 2:16pm:
In any case, that does not evidence that "the terrorists that flew into the WTCs are any more representative of Islam than Christian terrorists are representative of Christianity".

Would you like to try again?


Do these 'Christian terrorists' have a Sacred Text to quote from to justify their actions - and do they have a 'relevant minority of the Christian public as a cheer squad?
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Gordon wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 2:22pm:
Difference is RWNJ are isolated craziest.

Islamist crazies are brainwashed in a mosque



Quite wrong.

RIGHT-WING GROUPS: The most recent swell of extremist violence began to emerge from right-wing militants in the late-1980s and 1990s. According to a 2005 FBI report on terrorism, these groups, which are "primarily in the form of domestic militias and conservative special interest causes, began to overtake left-wing extremism as the most dangerous, if not the most prolific, domestic terrorist threat to the country." Right-wing extremists champion a wide variety of causes, including racial supremacy, hatred and suspicion of the federal government, and fundamentalist Christianity. The Southern Poverty Law Center, which tracks the activities of hate groups, suggests militia groups declined every year since 1996 but have seen a dramatic resurgence since 2008.


http://www.cfr.org/terrorist-organizations-and-networks/militant-extremists-unit...
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BigOl64 wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 2:18pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 1:55pm:
issuevoter wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 1:02pm:
Oklahoma City and New York 911 make a good comparison. On one hand you have two disgruntled men who were not affiliated with an organisation, and on the other you have a carefully orchestrated and supported group of fanatics who represent a long established and widely spread religion.



The terrorists who flew into the WTCs are no more representative o Islam than Christian terrorists are representative of Christianity.

This is clearly evidenced by the fact that most Muslims are not terrorists.

It is interesting to point out that since 9/11, there have been 13 terrorist attacks in thee US attributable to Christian terrorism yet only 5 attributable to Islamic terrorism.

And Timothy McVeigh was indeed disgruntled but he was a right-wing terrorist just the same.



What possible could be the agenda of christian terrorists be, in the most wacka fkken doodle christian nation on the planet?

Not enough praising of jesus at every public gathering?

I really would like to know what the fkk do the jesus fkktards have to complain about.


If anything the USA needs a lot less religion and lot more atheism.




Quite a few reasons. Liberals, abortion clinics, gays and lesbians, etc.

Here is one example:

The Centennial Olympic Park bombing, July 27, 1996. Paul Jennings Hill is hardly the only Christian terrorist who has been praised by the Army of God; that organization has also praised Eric Rudolph, who is serving life without parole for a long list of terrorist attacks committed in the name of Christianity. Rudolph is best known for carrying out the Olympic Park bombing in Atlanta during the 1996 Summer Olympics—a blast that killed spectator Alice Hawthorne and wounded 111 others. Hawthorne wasn’t the only person Rudolph murdered: his bombing of an abortion clinic in Birmingham, Alabama in 1998 caused the death of Robert Sanderson (a Birmingham police officer and part-time security guard) and caused nurse Emily Lyons to lose an eye.

Rudolph’s other acts of Christian terrorism include bombing the Otherwise Lounge (a lesbian bar in Atlanta) in 1997 and an abortion clinic in an Atlanta suburb in 1997. Rudolph was no lone wolf: he was part of a terrorist movement that encouraged his violence. And the Army of God continues to exalt Rudolph as a brave Christian who is doing God’s work.
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BigOl64 wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 2:18pm:
What possible could be the agenda of christian terrorists be, in the most wacka fkken doodle christian nation on the planet?


Many things.

For example, anti-abortion, anti-homosexuality, and white supremacy.

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Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 2:22pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 2:16pm:
A poll wholly influenced by the fact that much of the Middle East is at war.

In any case, that does not evidence that "the terrorists that flew into the WTCs are any more representative of Islam than Christian terrorists are representative of Christianity".

Would you like to try again?


Do these 'Christian terrorists' have a Sacred Text to quote from to justify their actions - and do they have a 'relevant minority of the Christian public in support of it?




Why yes. They cite the Holy Bible.

And yes, there are enough to them to be significant.
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Reply #19 - Mar 17th, 2017 at 2:27pm
 
Gordon wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 2:22pm:
Difference is RWNJ are isolated craziest.

Islamist crazies are brainwashed in a mosque


Apologist.

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mothra wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 2:26pm:
Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 2:22pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 2:16pm:
A poll wholly influenced by the fact that much of the Middle East is at war.

In any case, that does not evidence that "the terrorists that flew into the WTCs are any more representative of Islam than Christian terrorists are representative of Christianity".

Would you like to try again?


Do these 'Christian terrorists' have a Sacred Text to quote from to justify their actions - and do they have a 'relevant minority of the Christian public in support of it?




Why yes. They cite the Holy Bible.

And yes, there are enough to them to be significant.





Enjoy the rest of your day, Mothra.

I'm out of here.
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mothra wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 12:07pm:
Threats of violent Islamist and far-right extremism: What does the research say?

February 22, 2017 1.09pm AEDT

How do the decide what is a far-right extremist crime? Where is the data?

Islamists = allahu akhbaring.
Far right extremist = ???


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greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 2:26pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 2:18pm:
What possible could be the agenda of christian terrorists be, in the most wacka fkken doodle christian nation on the planet?


Many things.

For example, anti-abortion, anti-homosexuality, and white supremacy.




And people argue that we should not get rid of the right to religion.


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BigOl64 wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 2:33pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 2:26pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 2:18pm:
What possible could be the agenda of christian terrorists be, in the most wacka fkken doodle christian nation on the planet?


Many things.

For example, anti-abortion, anti-homosexuality, and white supremacy.




And people argue that we should not get rid of the right to religion.




It wouldn't do much good.

Banning all religion won't all of a sudden make terrorists/extremists law-abiding citizens.

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Gordon wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 2:22pm:
Difference is RWNJ are isolated craziest.

Islamist crazies are brainwashed in a mosque



schools in the West are also a good place to learn all about it...... I havent heard of any Christian schools teaching death to any other cultures..

feel free to correct me though.
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greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 2:37pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 2:33pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 2:26pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 2:18pm:
What possible could be the agenda of christian terrorists be, in the most wacka fkken doodle christian nation on the planet?


Many things.

For example, anti-abortion, anti-homosexuality, and white supremacy.




And people argue that we should not get rid of the right to religion.




It wouldn't do much good.

Banning all religion won't all of a sudden make terrorists/extremists law-abiding citizens.



Im not actually arguing to ban religion but to remove the right to religion.

At that point the bits of religion that has been protected can be legislated against.

Start prosecuting religions and there leaders, imposed massive fines.

Start with prosecuting every single person who takes a confession of a serious crime & does not report it be prosecuted as an accessory.

Censor all religious texts that do not conform with current Australian values

Prosecute all religious leaders with inciting violence if their followers use their words to incite violence.


We treat religious scum no different than gun owners, this country will be as safe and any in the world.


Make sure they know where they stand and what they are worth to the people of Australia.

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Reply #26 - Mar 17th, 2017 at 2:49pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 2:37pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 2:33pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 2:26pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 2:18pm:
What possible could be the agenda of christian terrorists be, in the most wacka fkken doodle christian nation on the planet?


Many things.

For example, anti-abortion, anti-homosexuality, and white supremacy.




And people argue that we should not get rid of the right to religion.




It wouldn't do much good.

Banning all religion won't all of a sudden make terrorists/extremists law-abiding citizens.




religion is just a cover.. its a mask to give some a reason to do what they do Angry

like the drunk.. he starts a fight because its an excuse to go out and drink more..

these killers... LIKE KILLING>.. it doesnt matter what flag they fly..behind it all is DEATH...and they enjoy KILLING....

does ISIS.. b elieve in religion... well not as far as I am concerned .

because they mow down everything in their path......no real "religion" would ever do that..

its an excuse..you can fool some of the people some of the time..!!!

I think true blue Muslims are just as much afraid of them as the rest of us...

if we could get past this BLAME GAME>...who knows it may get fixed one day...in the mean time we are too busy fighting each other....

whilst they spread.. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #27 - Mar 17th, 2017 at 2:51pm
 
cods wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 2:49pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 2:37pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 2:33pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 2:26pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 2:18pm:
What possible could be the agenda of christian terrorists be, in the most wacka fkken doodle christian nation on the planet?


Many things.

For example, anti-abortion, anti-homosexuality, and white supremacy.




And people argue that we should not get rid of the right to religion.




It wouldn't do much good.

Banning all religion won't all of a sudden make terrorists/extremists law-abiding citizens.




religion is just a cover.. its a mask to give some a reason to do what they do Angry

like the drunk.. he starts a fight because its an excuse to go out and drink more..

these killers... LIKE KILLING>.. it doesnt matter what flag they fly..behind it all is DEATH...and they enjoy KILLING....

does ISIS.. b elieve in religion... well not as far as I am concerned .

because they mow down everything in their path......no real "religion" would ever do that..

its an excuse..you can fool some of the people some of the time..!!!

I think true blue Muslims are just as much afraid of them as the rest of us...

if we could get past this BLAME GAME>...who knows it may get fixed one day...in the mean time we are too busy fighting each other....

whilst they spread.. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Well said.

I agree.
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greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 2:51pm:
cods wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 2:49pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 2:37pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 2:33pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 2:26pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 2:18pm:
What possible could be the agenda of christian terrorists be, in the most wacka fkken doodle christian nation on the planet?


Many things.

For example, anti-abortion, anti-homosexuality, and white supremacy.




And people argue that we should not get rid of the right to religion.




It wouldn't do much good.

Banning all religion won't all of a sudden make terrorists/extremists law-abiding citizens.




religion is just a cover.. its a mask to give some a reason to do what they do Angry

like the drunk.. he starts a fight because its an excuse to go out and drink more..

these killers... LIKE KILLING>.. it doesnt matter what flag they fly..behind it all is DEATH...and they enjoy KILLING....

does ISIS.. b elieve in religion... well not as far as I am concerned .

because they mow down everything in their path......no real "religion" would ever do that..

its an excuse..you can fool some of the people some of the time..!!!

I think true blue Muslims are just as much afraid of them as the rest of us...

if we could get past this BLAME GAME>...who knows it may get fixed one day...in the mean time we are too busy fighting each other....

whilst they spread.. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Well said.

I agree.



they are no worse or better thana serial killer...

we just sort out different names thats all.. but they all do and like doing the same thing...

its time we woke up to ourselves and got on with finding a cure...or whatever it takes..

I dont think handing out more violence is the answer to be honest..but I am sure there is a better way to end all this........we just havent found it yet.
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mothra wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 1:55pm:
issuevoter wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 1:02pm:
Oklahoma City and New York 911 make a good comparison. On one hand you have two disgruntled men who were not affiliated with an organisation, and on the other you have a carefully orchestrated and supported group of fanatics who represent a long established and widely spread religion.



The terrorists who flew into the WTCs are no more representative o Islam than Christian terrorists are representative of Christianity.

This is clearly evidenced by the fact that most Muslims are not terrorists.

It is interesting to point out that since 9/11, there have been 13 terrorist attacks in thee US attributable to Christian terrorism yet only 5 attributable to Islamic terrorism.

And Timothy McVeigh was indeed disgruntled but he was a right-wing terrorist just the same.


Well lets see.

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I think the article in the OP made one particularly interesting point - but its a shame no one seems to have picked up on it.

That being that Islamist terrorists tend to be more random, designed specifically just to cause chaos and maximum casualties - whereas far-right extremists tend to be more targeted. Though the Oklahoma bombing seems to be an exception.

Also the data is specific to the US situation, which is quite different to the situation faced in many European countries. For one thing, with few exceptions, the American Islamist threat comes from foreign imports - basically parachuted in for no other purpose than to commit terrorism. The 'native' muslim population in the US is actually very well integrated. Whereas the Islamist threat in Europe tends to be home grown - where the muslim populations there are less integrated into society.
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Reply #31 - Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:17pm
 
cods wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 2:49pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 2:37pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 2:33pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 2:26pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 2:18pm:
What possible could be the agenda of christian terrorists be, in the most wacka fkken doodle christian nation on the planet?


Many things.

For example, anti-abortion, anti-homosexuality, and white supremacy.




And people argue that we should not get rid of the right to religion.




It wouldn't do much good.

Banning all religion won't all of a sudden make terrorists/extremists law-abiding citizens.




religion is just a cover.. its a mask to give some a reason to do what they do Angry

like the drunk.. he starts a fight because its an excuse to go out and drink more..

these killers... LIKE KILLING>.. it doesnt matter what flag they fly..behind it all is DEATH...and they enjoy KILLING....

does ISIS.. b elieve in religion... well not as far as I am concerned .

because they mow down everything in their path......no real "religion" would ever do that..

its an excuse..you can fool some of the people some of the time..!!!

I think true blue Muslims are just as much afraid of them as the rest of us...

if we could get past this BLAME GAME>...who knows it may get fixed one day...in the mean time we are too busy fighting each other....

whilst they spread.. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



Well said, Cods.
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Reply #32 - Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:19pm
 
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mothra wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 12:07pm:
Threats of violent Islamist and far-right extremism: What does the research say?

February 22, 2017 1.09pm AEDT

How do the decide what is a far-right extremist crime? Where is the data?

Islamists = allahu akhbaring.
Far right extremist = ???





Usually they are members of far-right organisations; leave manifestos; claim it themselves or are found to be through investigation.

Did you really need that explained to you?
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Gordon wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 3:00pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 1:55pm:
issuevoter wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 1:02pm:
Oklahoma City and New York 911 make a good comparison. On one hand you have two disgruntled men who were not affiliated with an organisation, and on the other you have a carefully orchestrated and supported group of fanatics who represent a long established and widely spread religion.



The terrorists who flew into the WTCs are no more representative o Islam than Christian terrorists are representative of Christianity.

This is clearly evidenced by the fact that most Muslims are not terrorists.

It is interesting to point out that since 9/11, there have been 13 terrorist attacks in thee US attributable to Christian terrorism yet only 5 attributable to Islamic terrorism.

And Timothy McVeigh was indeed disgruntled but he was a right-wing terrorist just the same.


Well lets see.

Islam
is the third largest religion in the United States after Christianity and Judaism. According to a 2010 study, it is followed by
0.9%
of the population



Yes. And, by and large, Islamic terrorism in the United States is not carried out by US citizens.

You're just going to have to face it, Islam is no more represented by the worst of it than is Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism or any other religion.

The vast majority of people from all religions are peaceful.

Do you have another point?

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gandalf wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 3:31pm:
I think the article in the OP made one particularly interesting point - but its a shame no one seems to have picked up on it.

That being that Islamist terrorists tend to be more random, designed specifically just to cause chaos and maximum casualties - whereas far-right extremists tend to be more targeted. Though the Oklahoma bombing seems to be an exception.

Also the data is specific to the US situation, which is quite different to the situation faced in many European countries. For one thing, with few exceptions, the American Islamist threat comes from foreign imports - basically parachuted in for no other purpose than to commit terrorism. The 'native' muslim population in the US is actually very well integrated. Whereas the Islamist threat in Europe tends to be home grown - where the muslim populations there are less integrated into society.



Well i highlighted it ... but everyone went and got all Muslim-bashy about things.
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In a 2015 New York Times article, University of North Carolina Professor Charles Kurzman and Duke Professor David Schanzer found that Islam-inspired terror attacks accounted for 50 deaths since 9/11, but that “right-wing extremists averaged 337 attacks per year in the decade after 9/11, causing a total of 254 fatalities.”


https://thinkprogress.org/trump-false-claim-foreign-born-domestic-attacks-54e99b...
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mothra wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:35pm:
In a 2015 New York Times article, University of North Carolina Professor Charles Kurzman and Duke Professor David Schanzer found that Islam-inspired terror attacks accounted for 50 deaths since 9/11, but that “right-wing extremists averaged 337 attacks per year in the decade after 9/11, causing a total of 254 fatalities.”


https://thinkprogress.org/trump-false-claim-foreign-born-domestic-attacks-54e99b...
Why since 9/11?? Conveniently cutting out thousands of Islamic killings hey.
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I think the article in the OP made one particularly interesting point - but its a shame no one seems to have picked up on it.

That being that Islamist terrorists tend to be more random, designed specifically just to cause chaos and maximum casualties - whereas far-right extremists tend to be more targeted. Though the Oklahoma bombing seems to be an exception.

Also the data is specific to the US situation, which is quite different to the situation faced in many European countries. For one thing, with few exceptions, the American Islamist threat comes from foreign imports - basically parachuted in for no other purpose than to commit terrorism. The 'native' muslim population in the US is actually very well integrated. Whereas the Islamist threat in Europe tends to be home grown - where the muslim populations there are less integrated into society.



you are generalising of course..

home grown..

is usually someone born in the country but of immigrant  parents... even the Irish in America supported the IRA  with huge amounts of money...

we need to look at us all being on the same PAGE when it comes to terrorism

whilst we all fight over who is the worst and who starts it..

these groups are laughing and killing...and more importantly.......... GROWING

because we dont work together

and they know it..

we are rubbish when it comes to fighting the same enemy!  always have been and at this rate always will be. Angry

if these small groups! because thats what they were until ISIS...

can get through to our youth.....and brainwash them..


why cant we do the same???...

you know why dont you???????..


thats right  because we are too busy fighting each other...

at least these guys work together with the same aim in mind..

we always wan t to be the one whos right all the time... Angry Angry Angry Angry


even our political parties all hate each other.. pathetic.

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I think there has been as much Christian bashing as Muslim bashing on this thread..


thats what I mean about a "common goal"...

we just will never find it..
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Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:38pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:35pm:
In a 2015 New York Times article, University of North Carolina Professor Charles Kurzman and Duke Professor David Schanzer found that Islam-inspired terror attacks accounted for 50 deaths since 9/11, but that “right-wing extremists averaged 337 attacks per year in the decade after 9/11, causing a total of 254 fatalities.”


https://thinkprogress.org/trump-false-claim-foreign-born-domestic-attacks-54e99b...
Why since 9/11?? Conveniently cutting out thousands of Islamic killings hey.


Because that's the period of time the statistics were gathered over, obviously.

If you're jonesing for a reference to 9/11, you'll find it in the OP. I even highlighted it:

"Between 1990 and 2014, the ECDB has identified 38 homicide events motivated by Islamist extremism that killed 62 people. When you include 9/11, those numbers jump dramatically to 39 homicide events and 3,058 killed.

The database also identified 177 homicide events motivated by far-right extremism, with 245 killed. And when you include the Oklahoma City bombing, it rises to 178 homicide events and 413 killed."

and:

"These data reveal that far-right extremists tend to be more active in committing homicides, yet Islamist extremists tend to be more deadly."


https://theconversation.com/threats-of-violent-islamist-and-far-right-extremism-...
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Reply #40 - Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:52pm
 
mothra wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:51pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:38pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:35pm:
In a 2015 New York Times article, University of North Carolina Professor Charles Kurzman and Duke Professor David Schanzer found that Islam-inspired terror attacks accounted for 50 deaths since 9/11, but that “right-wing extremists averaged 337 attacks per year in the decade after 9/11, causing a total of 254 fatalities.”


https://thinkprogress.org/trump-false-claim-foreign-born-domestic-attacks-54e99b...
Why since 9/11?? Conveniently cutting out thousands of Islamic killings hey.


Because that's the period of time the statistics were gathered over, obviously.

If you're jonesing for a reference to 9/11, you'll find it in the OP. I even highlighted it:

"Between 1990 and 2014, the ECDB has identified 38 homicide events motivated by Islamist extremism that killed 62 people. When you include 9/11, those numbers jump dramatically to 39 homicide events and 3,058 killed.

The database also identified 177 homicide events motivated by far-right extremism, with 245 killed. And when you include the Oklahoma City bombing, it rises to 178 homicide events and 413 killed."

and:

"These data reveal that far-right extremists tend to be more active in committing homicides, yet Islamist extremists tend to be more deadly."


https://theconversation.com/threats-of-violent-islamist-and-far-right-extremism-...
Because that's the period of time the statistics were gathered over, obviously......

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I think there has been as much Christian bashing as Muslim bashing on this thread..


thats what I mean about a "common goal"...

we just will never find it..


Not even close. The only person who has come close to bashing Christianity is Bigol, and he bashes everyone.

The rest of us have been clear the target of our concern is terrorism, whomsoever commits it.
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Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:52pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:51pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:38pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:35pm:
In a 2015 New York Times article, University of North Carolina Professor Charles Kurzman and Duke Professor David Schanzer found that Islam-inspired terror attacks accounted for 50 deaths since 9/11, but that “right-wing extremists averaged 337 attacks per year in the decade after 9/11, causing a total of 254 fatalities.”


https://thinkprogress.org/trump-false-claim-foreign-born-domestic-attacks-54e99b...
Why since 9/11?? Conveniently cutting out thousands of Islamic killings hey.


Because that's the period of time the statistics were gathered over, obviously.

If you're jonesing for a reference to 9/11, you'll find it in the OP. I even highlighted it:

"Between 1990 and 2014, the ECDB has identified 38 homicide events motivated by Islamist extremism that killed 62 people. When you include 9/11, those numbers jump dramatically to 39 homicide events and 3,058 killed.

The database also identified 177 homicide events motivated by far-right extremism, with 245 killed. And when you include the Oklahoma City bombing, it rises to 178 homicide events and 413 killed."

and:

"These data reveal that far-right extremists tend to be more active in committing homicides, yet Islamist extremists tend to be more deadly."


https://theconversation.com/threats-of-violent-islamist-and-far-right-extremism-...
Because that's the period of time the statistics were gathered over, obviously......

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Didn't read my whole post, did you.
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The threat

the paper had received threats on Twitter and Facebook and by post, which had been passed on to police. He said he was sickened and angry that "violence could be used to counter drawings".

The result


...

The threat

Van Gogh, 47, had received death threats after his film Submission was shown on Dutch TV.


The result


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The threat
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The result

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mothra wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:56pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:52pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:51pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:38pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:35pm:
In a 2015 New York Times article, University of North Carolina Professor Charles Kurzman and Duke Professor David Schanzer found that Islam-inspired terror attacks accounted for 50 deaths since 9/11, but that “right-wing extremists averaged 337 attacks per year in the decade after 9/11, causing a total of 254 fatalities.”


https://thinkprogress.org/trump-false-claim-foreign-born-domestic-attacks-54e99b...
Why since 9/11?? Conveniently cutting out thousands of Islamic killings hey.


Because that's the period of time the statistics were gathered over, obviously.

If you're jonesing for a reference to 9/11, you'll find it in the OP. I even highlighted it:

"Between 1990 and 2014, the ECDB has identified 38 homicide events motivated by Islamist extremism that killed 62 people. When you include 9/11, those numbers jump dramatically to 39 homicide events and 3,058 killed.

The database also identified 177 homicide events motivated by far-right extremism, with 245 killed. And when you include the Oklahoma City bombing, it rises to 178 homicide events and 413 killed."

and:

"These data reveal that far-right extremists tend to be more active in committing homicides, yet Islamist extremists tend to be more deadly."


https://theconversation.com/threats-of-violent-islamist-and-far-right-extremism-...
Because that's the period of time the statistics were gathered over, obviously......

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"since 9/11" was enough for me.
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Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:02pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:56pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:52pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:51pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:38pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:35pm:
In a 2015 New York Times article, University of North Carolina Professor Charles Kurzman and Duke Professor David Schanzer found that Islam-inspired terror attacks accounted for 50 deaths since 9/11, but that “right-wing extremists averaged 337 attacks per year in the decade after 9/11, causing a total of 254 fatalities.”


https://thinkprogress.org/trump-false-claim-foreign-born-domestic-attacks-54e99b...
Why since 9/11?? Conveniently cutting out thousands of Islamic killings hey.


Because that's the period of time the statistics were gathered over, obviously.

If you're jonesing for a reference to 9/11, you'll find it in the OP. I even highlighted it:

"Between 1990 and 2014, the ECDB has identified 38 homicide events motivated by Islamist extremism that killed 62 people. When you include 9/11, those numbers jump dramatically to 39 homicide events and 3,058 killed.

The database also identified 177 homicide events motivated by far-right extremism, with 245 killed. And when you include the Oklahoma City bombing, it rises to 178 homicide events and 413 killed."

and:

"These data reveal that far-right extremists tend to be more active in committing homicides, yet Islamist extremists tend to be more deadly."


https://theconversation.com/threats-of-violent-islamist-and-far-right-extremism-...
Because that's the period of time the statistics were gathered over, obviously......

Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin That's an old one. Cutting out a major event to skewer the results.  Grin Grin Grin



Didn't read my whole post, did you.
"since 9/11" was enough for me.


Pity. You wouldn't be looking so foolish now if you had.
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mothra wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:55pm:
cods wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:42pm:
I think there has been as much Christian bashing as Muslim bashing on this thread..


thats what I mean about a "common goal"...

we just will never find it..


Not even close. The only person who has come close to bashing Christianity is Bigol, and he bashes everyone.

The rest of us have been clear the target of our concern is terrorism, whomsoever commits it.



there are many reasons given here  that claim more terrorist acts are claimed by Christian groups than muslims groups...

almost triumphantly Roll Eyes Roll Eyes... so to speak..

divide and fall... sure as hell we wont find an answer this way..


anyway I am out of here..

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The threat

the paper had received threats on Twitter and Facebook and by post, which had been passed on to police. He said he was sickened and angry that "violence could be used to counter drawings".

The result


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The threat

Van Gogh, 47, had received death threats after his film Submission was shown on Dutch TV.


The result


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The threat
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The result

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cods wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:11pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:55pm:
cods wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:42pm:
I think there has been as much Christian bashing as Muslim bashing on this thread..


thats what I mean about a "common goal"...

we just will never find it..


Not even close. The only person who has come close to bashing Christianity is Bigol, and he bashes everyone.

The rest of us have been clear the target of our concern is terrorism, whomsoever commits it.



there are many reasons given here  that claim more terrorist acts are claimed by Christian groups than muslims groups...

almost triumphantly Roll Eyes Roll Eyes... so to speak..

divide and fall... sure as hell we wont find an answer this way..


anyway I am out of here..

I have no interest in america and all its issues.. let them worry about them... not for me...


Nobody has claimed that.

The claim is that there are more extreme right-wing terrorist attacks than Islamist terrorist attacks in the US.

Christian terrorism is a part of that.
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greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 2:37pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 2:33pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 2:26pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 2:18pm:
What possible could be the agenda of christian terrorists be, in the most wacka fkken doodle christian nation on the planet?


Many things.

For example, anti-abortion, anti-homosexuality, and white supremacy.




And people argue that we should not get rid of the right to religion.




It wouldn't do much good.

Banning all religion won't all of a sudden make terrorists/extremists law-abiding citizens.



They tried it in Russia for 75 years last century but it didn't work. It's the same as banning Sharia Courts ... they simply go Underground.
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Were they true Americans or blow-ins from the Middle East and elsewhere?



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Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:27pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 2:37pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 2:33pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 2:26pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 2:18pm:
What possible could be the agenda of christian terrorists be, in the most wacka fkken doodle christian nation on the planet?


Many things.

For example, anti-abortion, anti-homosexuality, and white supremacy.




And people argue that we should not get rid of the right to religion.




It wouldn't do much good.

Banning all religion won't all of a sudden make terrorists/extremists law-abiding citizens.



They tried it in Russia for 75 years last century but it didn't work. It's the same as banning Sharia Courts ... they simply go Underground.


What % of the USA population is Muslim?
Show us the numbers on a per capita basis
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Gordon wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:30pm:
Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:27pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 2:37pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 2:33pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 2:26pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 2:18pm:
What possible could be the agenda of christian terrorists be, in the most wacka fkken doodle christian nation on the planet?


Many things.

For example, anti-abortion, anti-homosexuality, and white supremacy.




And people argue that we should not get rid of the right to religion.




It wouldn't do much good.

Banning all religion won't all of a sudden make terrorists/extremists law-abiding citizens.



They tried it in Russia for 75 years last century but it didn't work. It's the same as banning Sharia Courts ... they simply go Underground.


What % of the USA population is Muslim?
Show us the numbers on a per capita basis




What % of the USA is far right-wing?

Let's compare apples with apples, shall we?
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mothra wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:13pm:
cods wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:11pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:55pm:
cods wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:42pm:
I think there has been as much Christian bashing as Muslim bashing on this thread..


thats what I mean about a "common goal"...

we just will never find it..


Not even close. The only person who has come close to bashing Christianity is Bigol, and he bashes everyone.

The rest of us have been clear the target of our concern is terrorism, whomsoever commits it.



there are many reasons given here  that claim more terrorist acts are claimed by Christian groups than muslims groups...

almost triumphantly Roll Eyes Roll Eyes... so to speak..

divide and fall... sure as hell we wont find an answer this way..


anyway I am out of here..

I have no interest in america and all its issues.. let them worry about them... not for me...


Nobody has claimed that.

The claim is that there are more extreme right-wing terrorist attacks than Islamist terrorist attacks in the US.

Christian terrorism is a part of that.


To be fair though, the "extreme right-wing" demographic is a lot broader and larger than the demographic responsible for Islamist attacks. One would expect them to commit a larger number of attacks - and moreover they constitute a far broader spectrum of terrorists - pro-lifers, anti-government militias, ku klux clan style racists etc etc...

Its probably not really accurate to lump them all into the one basket and say 'this is a single group of extremists' - and claim they are exactly equivalent to the very specific category of Islamist extremists. They aren't. And I would say exactly the same thing if people lumped say Islamic State inspired terrorists with terrorists who are Palestinian nationalists - just because they are both (nominally) muslim.
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gandalf wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:38pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:13pm:
cods wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:11pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:55pm:
cods wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:42pm:
I think there has been as much Christian bashing as Muslim bashing on this thread..


thats what I mean about a "common goal"...

we just will never find it..


Not even close. The only person who has come close to bashing Christianity is Bigol, and he bashes everyone.

The rest of us have been clear the target of our concern is terrorism, whomsoever commits it.



there are many reasons given here  that claim more terrorist acts are claimed by Christian groups than muslims groups...

almost triumphantly Roll Eyes Roll Eyes... so to speak..

divide and fall... sure as hell we wont find an answer this way..


anyway I am out of here..

I have no interest in america and all its issues.. let them worry about them... not for me...


Nobody has claimed that.

The claim is that there are more extreme right-wing terrorist attacks than Islamist terrorist attacks in the US.

Christian terrorism is a part of that.


To be fair though, the "extreme right-wing" demographic is a lot broader and larger than the demographic responsible for Islamist attacks. One would expect them to commit a larger number of attacks - and moreover they constitute a far broader spectrum of terrorists - pro-lifers, anti-government militias, ku klux clan style racists etc etc...

Its probably not really accurate to lump them all into the one basket and say 'this is a single group of extremists' - and claim they are exactly equivalent to the very specific category of Islamist extremists. They aren't. And I would say exactly the same thing if people lumped say Islamic State inspired terrorists with terrorists who are Palestinian nationalists - just because they are both (nominally) muslim.


Yet the Islamic attacks are usually perpetrated by non-US citizens.
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American citizens killed by Islamic terrorists in the US since 1972. These stats don't include Islamic terrorist attacks where people weren't killed-


2017.01.31  USA  Denver, CO  1  0  A pastor working as a security guard is shot to death at a transit office by a 'radicalized' Muslim. 
2017.01.06  USA  Fort Lauderdale, FL  5  6  A convert to Islam guns down five innocents in the baggage claim area of an airport. 
2016.06.13  USA  Orlando, FL  49  53  An Islamic extremist massacres forty-nine people at a gay nightclub. 
2015.12.02  USA  San Bernardino, CA  14  17  A 'very religious' Muslim shoots up a Christmas party with his wife, leaving fourteen dead. 
2015.07.16  USA  Chattanooga, TN  5  2  A 'devout Muslim' stages a suicide attack on a recruiting center at a strip mall and a naval center which leaves five dead. 
2014.12.18  USA  Morganton, NC  1  0  A 74-year-old man is shot several times in the head by a 'radicalized' ISIS supporter. 
2014.09.25  USA  Moore, OK  1  1  A Sharia advocate beheads a woman after calling for Islamic terror and posting an Islamist beheading photo. 
2014.06.25  USA  West Orange, NJ  1  0  A 19-year-old college student is shot to death 'in revenge' for Muslim deaths overseas. 
2014.06.01  USA  Seattle, WA  2  0  Two homosexuals are murdered by an Islamic extremist. 
2014.04.27  USA  Skyway, WA  1  0  A 30-year-old man is murdered by a Muslim fanatic. 
2014.03.06  USA  Port Bolivar, TX  2  0  A Muslim man shoots his lesbian daughter and her lover to death and leaves a copy of the Quran open to a page condemning homosexuality. 
2013.08.04  USA  Richmond, CA  1  0  A convert "on a mission from Allah" stabs a store clerk to death. 
2013.04.19  USA  Boston, MA  1  1  Jihadists gun down a university police officer sitting in his car. 
2013.04.15  USA  Boston, MA  3  264  Foreign-born Muslims describing themselves as 'very religious' detonate two bombs packed with ball bearings at the Boston Marathon, killing three people and causing several more to lose limbs. 
2013.03.24  USA  Ashtabula, OH  1  0  A Muslim convert walks into a church service with a Quran and guns down his Christian father while praising Allah. 
2013.02.07  USA  Buena Vista, NJ  2  0  A Muslim targets and beheads two Christian Coptic immigrants. 
2012.11.12  USA  Houston, TX  1  0  A 28-year-old American man is shot to death by a conservative Muslim over an alleged role in converting a woman to Christianity. 
2012.01.15  USA  Houston, TX  1  0  A 30-year-old Christian convert is shot to death by a devout Muslim for helping to convert his daughter. 
2011.09.11  USA  Waltham, MA  3  0  Three Jewish men have their throats slashed by Muslim terrorists. 
2011.04.30  USA  Warren, MI  1  0  A 20-year-old woman is shot in the head by her stepfather for not adhering to Islamic practices. 
2010.04.14  USA  Marquette Park, IL  5  2  After quarrelling with his wife over Islamic dress, a Muslim convert shoots his family members to 'take them back to Allah' and out of the 'world of sinners'. 
2009.12.04  USA  Binghamton, NY  1  0  A non-Muslim Islamic studies professor is stabbed to death by a Muslim grad student in revenge for 'persecuted' Muslims. 
2009.11.05  USA  Ft. Hood, TX  13  31  A Muslim psychiatrist guns down thirteen unarmed soldiers while yelling praises to Allah. 
2009.11.02  USA  Glendale, AZ  1  1  A woman dies from injuries suffered when her father runs her down with a car for being too 'Westernized.' (10-20-09) 
2009.06.01  USA  Little Rock, AR  1  1  A Muslim shoots a local soldier to death inside a recruiting center explicitly in the name of Allah. 
2009.04.12  USA  Phoenix, AZ  2  0  A man shoots his brother-in-law and another man to death after finding out that they visited a strip club, in contradiction to Islamic values. 
2009.02.12  USA  Buffalo, NY  1  0  The founder of a Muslim TV station beheads his wife in the hallway for seeking a divorce. 
2008.07.06  USA  Jonesboro, GA  1  0  A devout Muslim strangles his 25-year-old daughter in an honor killing. 
2008.01.01  USA  Irving, TX  2  0  A Muslim immigrant shoots his two daughters to death on concerns about their 'Western' lifestyle. 
2006.07.28  USA  Seattle, WA  1  5  An 'angry' Muslim-American uses a young girl as hostage to enter a local Jewish center, where he shoots six women, one of whom dies. 
2006.06.25  USA  Denver, CO  1  5  Saying that it was 'Allah's choice', a Muslim shoots four of his co-workers and a police officer. 
2006.06.16  USA  Baltimore, MD  1  0  A 62-year-old Jewish moviegoer is shot to death by a Muslim medical student in an unprovoked terror attack. 
2004.04.15  USA  Scottsville, NY  1  2  In an honor killing, a Muslim father kills his wife and attacks his two daughters with a knife and hammer because he feared that they had been sexually molested. 
2003.08.06  USA  Houston, TX  1  0  After undergoing a 'religious revival', a Saudi college student slashes the throat of a Jewish student with a 4" butterfly knife, nearly decapitating the young man. 
2002.10.22  USA  Aspen Hill, MD  1  0  A bus driver is killed by Muslim snipers. 
2002.10.14  USA  Arlington, VA  1  0  A woman is killed by Muslim snipers in a Home Depot parking lot. 
2002.10.11  USA  Fredericksburg, VA  1  0  Another man is killed by Muslim snipers while pumping gas. 
2002.10.09  USA  Manassas, VA  1  1  A man is killed by Muslim snipers while pumping gas two days after a 13-year-old is wounded by the same team. cont.
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cods wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:11pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:55pm:
cods wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:42pm:
I think there has been as much Christian bashing as Muslim bashing on this thread..


thats what I mean about a "common goal"...

we just will never find it..


Not even close. The only person who has come close to bashing Christianity is Bigol, and he bashes everyone.

The rest of us have been clear the target of our concern is terrorism, whomsoever commits it.



there are many reasons given here  that claim more terrorist acts are claimed by Christian groups than muslims groups...

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No.

There's more terrorist activity by non-Muslim groups.

Nobody's saying they're all Christians, though.

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gandalf wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:38pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:13pm:
cods wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:11pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:55pm:
cods wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:42pm:
I think there has been as much Christian bashing as Muslim bashing on this thread..


thats what I mean about a "common goal"...

we just will never find it..


Not even close. The only person who has come close to bashing Christianity is Bigol, and he bashes everyone.

The rest of us have been clear the target of our concern is terrorism, whomsoever commits it.



there are many reasons given here  that claim more terrorist acts are claimed by Christian groups than muslims groups...

almost triumphantly Roll Eyes Roll Eyes... so to speak..

divide and fall... sure as hell we wont find an answer this way..


anyway I am out of here..

I have no interest in america and all its issues.. let them worry about them... not for me...


Nobody has claimed that.

The claim is that there are more extreme right-wing terrorist attacks than Islamist terrorist attacks in the US.

Christian terrorism is a part of that.


To be fair though, the "extreme right-wing" demographic is a lot broader and larger than the demographic responsible for Islamist attacks. One would expect them to commit a larger number of attacks - and moreover they constitute a far broader spectrum of terrorists - pro-lifers, anti-government militias, ku klux clan style racists etc etc...

Its probably not really accurate to lump them all into the one basket and say 'this is a single group of extremists' - and claim they are exactly equivalent to the very specific category of Islamist extremists. They aren't. And I would say exactly the same thing if people lumped say Islamic State inspired terrorists with terrorists who are Palestinian nationalists - just because they are both (nominally) muslim.


Gandalf if you took the list of terrorist attacks in USA since 9/11 and factored in Muslims representing only 0.9% of the population, the figures would look horrendous.

You may also want to check out the list of foiled attacks.
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mothra wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:43pm:
Yet the Islamic attacks are usually perpetrated by non-US citizens.


Indeed - and in fact on any measure, the US muslim population has integrated well - better than most other immigrant group (measures include employment, income, level of education, attitude towards US).

I read a quote of a Trump interview asking him he thinks its possible to have a "successful" muslim population in the US - and he went on about how difficult it is because US muslims are not assimilating very well. Its absolute rubbish and a complete lie.
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Those white supremacists are nasty little terrorists, aren't they?


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2002.10.03  USA  Montgomery County, MD  5  0  Muslim snipers kill three men and two women in separate attacks over a 15-hour period. 
2002.10.02  USA  Wheaton, MD  1  0  Muslim snipers gun down a program analyst in a store parking lot. 
2002.09.23  USA  Baton Rouge, LA  1  0  A Korean mother is shot in the back by Muslim snipers. 
2002.09.21  USA  Montgomery, AL  1  1  Muslim snipers shoot two women, killing one. 
2002.09.21  USA  Atlanta, GA  1  0  Muslim terrorists gun down an employee at a liquor store. 
2002.07.04  USA  Los Angeles, CA  2  0  Muslim man pulls out a gun at the counter of an Israeli airline and kills two people. 
2002.05.27  USA  Denton, TX  1  0  Muslim snipers kill a man as he works in his yard. 
2002.03.19  USA  Tuscon, AZ  1  0  A 60-year-old man is gunned down by Muslim snipers on a golf course. 
2001.09.11  USA  New York, NY  2752  251  Islamic hijackers steer two planes packed with fuel and passengers into the World Trade Center, killing hundreds on impact and eventually killing thousands when the towers collapsed. At least 200 are seriously injured. 
2001.09.11  USA  Washington, DC  184  53  Nearly 200 people are killed when Islamic hijackers steer a plane full of people into the Pentagon. 
2001.09.11  USA  Shanksville, PA  40  0  Forty passengers are killed after Islamic radicals hijack the plane in an attempt to steer it into the U.S. Capitol building. 
2000.03.17  USA  Atlanta, GA  1  1  A local imam and Muslim spiritual leader guns down a deputy sheriff and injures his partner. 
1997.04.03  USA  Lompoc, CA  1  0  A prison guard is stabbed to death by a radical Muslim. 
1997.03.23  USA  New York, NY  1  6  A Palestinian leaves an anti-Jewish suicide note behind and travels to the top of the Empire State building where he shoot seven people in a Fedayeen attack. 
1994.03.01  USA  Brooklyn, NY  1  0  A Muslim gunman targets a van packed with Jewish boys, killing a 16-year-old. 
1993.02.26  USA  New York, NY  6  1040  Islamic terrorists detonate a massive truck bomb under the World Trade Center, killing six people and injuring over 1,000 in an effort to collapse the towers. 
1993.01.25  USA  Langley, VA  2  3  A Pakistani with Mujahideen ties guns down two CIA agents outside of the headquarters. 
1990.11.05  USA  New York City, NY  1  0  An Israeli rabbi is shot to death by a Muslim attacker at a hotel. 
1990.01.31  USA  Tuscon, AZ  1  0  A Sunni cleric is assassinated in front of a Tuscon mosque after declaring that two verses of the Qur'an were invalid. 
1989.11.06  USA  St. Louis, MO  1  0  A 17-year-old girl is stabbed to death by her parents for bringing 'dishonor' to their family by dating an 'infidel' African-American. 
1980.08.31  USA  Savou, IL  2  0  An Iranian student guns down his next-door neighbors, a husband and wife. 
1980.07.22  USA  Bethesda, MD  1  0  A political dissident is shot and killed in front of his home by an Iranian agent who was an American convert to Islam. 
1977.03.09  USA  Washington, DC  1  1  Hanifi Muslims storm three buildings including a B'nai B'rith to hold 134 people hostage. At least two innocents were shot and one died. 
1974.04.16  USA  Ingleside, CA  1  0  A man is killed while helping a friend move by Nation of Islam terrorists. 
1974.04.01  USA  Oakland, CA  1  1  A Nation of Islam terrorist shoots at two Salvation Army members, killing a man and injuring a woman. 
1974.01.24  USA  Oakland, CA  4  1  Five vicious shooting attacks by Nation of Islam terrorists leave three people dead and one paralyzed for life. Three of the victims were women. 
1973.12.24  USA  Oakland, CA  1  0  A man is kidnapped, tortured and decapitated by Nation of Islam terrorists. 
1973.12.22  USA  Oakland, CA  2  0  Nation of Islam terrorist kills two people in separate attacks on the same day. 
1973.12.20  USA  Oakland, CA  1  0  Nation of Islam terrorists gun down an 81-year-old janitor. 
1973.12.13  USA  Oakland, CA  1  0  A woman is shot to death on the sidewalk by Nation of Islam terrorists. 
1973.12.11  USA  Oakland, CA  1  0  A man is killed by Nation of Islam terrorists while using a phone booth. 
1973.11.25  USA  Oakland, CA  1  0  A grocer is killed in his store by Nation of Islam terrorists. 
1973.10.29  USA  Berkeley, CA  1  0  A woman is shot repeatedly in the face by Nation of Islam terrorists. 
1973.10.19  USA  Oakland, CA  1  1  Nation of Islam terrorists kidnap a couple and nearly decapitate the man, while raping and leaving the woman for dead. 
1973.07.18  USA  Washington, DC  8  2  Nation of Islam members shoot seven members of a family to death in cold blood, including four children. A defendant in the case is later murdered in prison on orders from Elijah Muhammad. 
1973.07.01  USA  Bethesda, MD  1  0  An Israeli diplomat is gunned down in his driveway by Palestinian terrorists. 
1973.01.19  USA  Brooklyn, NY  1  1  Muslim extremists rob a sporting goods store for weapons, gunning down a police officer who responds to the alarm. 
1972.04.14  USA  New York, NY  1  3  Ten members of a local mosque phone in a false alarm and then ambush responding officers, killing one. 
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That 0.9 seems to account for themselves pretty darn well.

According to a 2010 study, it is followed by
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Gordon wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:51pm:
That 0.9 seems to account for themselves pretty darn well.

According to a 2010 study, it is followed by
0.9%
of the population.



Yet as you are repeatedly told, most acts of Islamist terror in the US are perpetrated by non-US citizens.
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greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:50pm:


That 0.9 seems to account for themselves pretty darn well.

According to a 2010 study, it is followed by
0.9%
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Reply #66 - Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:54pm
 
Gordon wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:48pm:
gandalf wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:38pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:13pm:
cods wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:11pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:55pm:
cods wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:42pm:
I think there has been as much Christian bashing as Muslim bashing on this thread..


thats what I mean about a "common goal"...

we just will never find it..


Not even close. The only person who has come close to bashing Christianity is Bigol, and he bashes everyone.

The rest of us have been clear the target of our concern is terrorism, whomsoever commits it.



there are many reasons given here  that claim more terrorist acts are claimed by Christian groups than muslims groups...

almost triumphantly Roll Eyes Roll Eyes... so to speak..

divide and fall... sure as hell we wont find an answer this way..


anyway I am out of here..

I have no interest in america and all its issues.. let them worry about them... not for me...


Nobody has claimed that.

The claim is that there are more extreme right-wing terrorist attacks than Islamist terrorist attacks in the US.

Christian terrorism is a part of that.


To be fair though, the "extreme right-wing" demographic is a lot broader and larger than the demographic responsible for Islamist attacks. One would expect them to commit a larger number of attacks - and moreover they constitute a far broader spectrum of terrorists - pro-lifers, anti-government militias, ku klux clan style racists etc etc...

Its probably not really accurate to lump them all into the one basket and say 'this is a single group of extremists' - and claim they are exactly equivalent to the very specific category of Islamist extremists. They aren't. And I would say exactly the same thing if people lumped say Islamic State inspired terrorists with terrorists who are Palestinian nationalists - just because they are both (nominally) muslim.


Gandalf if you took the list of terrorist attacks in USA since 9/11 and factored in Muslims representing only 0.9% of the population, the figures would look horrendous.

You may also want to check out the list of foiled attacks.
[url]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unsuccessful_terrorist_plots_in_the_United
_States_post-9/11[/url]


And yet still if we stopped pretending terrorism was somehow worse than any other violent crime - and factored into the mix *ALL* violent crime in the US - the Islamists wouldn't even be a blip on the radar - and thats including 9/11.
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Reply #67 - Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:57pm
 
gandalf wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:54pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:48pm:
gandalf wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:38pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:13pm:
cods wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:11pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:55pm:
cods wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:42pm:
I think there has been as much Christian bashing as Muslim bashing on this thread..


thats what I mean about a "common goal"...

we just will never find it..


Not even close. The only person who has come close to bashing Christianity is Bigol, and he bashes everyone.

The rest of us have been clear the target of our concern is terrorism, whomsoever commits it.



there are many reasons given here  that claim more terrorist acts are claimed by Christian groups than muslims groups...

almost triumphantly Roll Eyes Roll Eyes... so to speak..

divide and fall... sure as hell we wont find an answer this way..


anyway I am out of here..

I have no interest in america and all its issues.. let them worry about them... not for me...


Nobody has claimed that.

The claim is that there are more extreme right-wing terrorist attacks than Islamist terrorist attacks in the US.

Christian terrorism is a part of that.


To be fair though, the "extreme right-wing" demographic is a lot broader and larger than the demographic responsible for Islamist attacks. One would expect them to commit a larger number of attacks - and moreover they constitute a far broader spectrum of terrorists - pro-lifers, anti-government militias, ku klux clan style racists etc etc...

Its probably not really accurate to lump them all into the one basket and say 'this is a single group of extremists' - and claim they are exactly equivalent to the very specific category of Islamist extremists. They aren't. And I would say exactly the same thing if people lumped say Islamic State inspired terrorists with terrorists who are Palestinian nationalists - just because they are both (nominally) muslim.


Gandalf if you took the list of terrorist attacks in USA since 9/11 and factored in Muslims representing only 0.9% of the population, the figures would look horrendous.

You may also want to check out the list of foiled attacks.
[url]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unsuccessful_terrorist_plots_in_the_United
_States_post-9/11[/url]


And yet still if we stopped pretending terrorism was somehow worse than any other violent crime - and factored into the mix *ALL* violent crime in the US - the Islamists wouldn't even be a blip on the radar - and thats including 9/11.




An excellent point.
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Reply #68 - Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:59pm
 
gandalf wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:54pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:48pm:
gandalf wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:38pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:13pm:
cods wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:11pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:55pm:
cods wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:42pm:
I think there has been as much Christian bashing as Muslim bashing on this thread..


thats what I mean about a "common goal"...

we just will never find it..


Not even close. The only person who has come close to bashing Christianity is Bigol, and he bashes everyone.

The rest of us have been clear the target of our concern is terrorism, whomsoever commits it.



there are many reasons given here  that claim more terrorist acts are claimed by Christian groups than muslims groups...

almost triumphantly Roll Eyes Roll Eyes... so to speak..

divide and fall... sure as hell we wont find an answer this way..


anyway I am out of here..

I have no interest in america and all its issues.. let them worry about them... not for me...


Nobody has claimed that.

The claim is that there are more extreme right-wing terrorist attacks than Islamist terrorist attacks in the US.

Christian terrorism is a part of that.


To be fair though, the "extreme right-wing" demographic is a lot broader and larger than the demographic responsible for Islamist attacks. One would expect them to commit a larger number of attacks - and moreover they constitute a far broader spectrum of terrorists - pro-lifers, anti-government militias, ku klux clan style racists etc etc...

Its probably not really accurate to lump them all into the one basket and say 'this is a single group of extremists' - and claim they are exactly equivalent to the very specific category of Islamist extremists. They aren't. And I would say exactly the same thing if people lumped say Islamic State inspired terrorists with terrorists who are Palestinian nationalists - just because they are both (nominally) muslim.


Gandalf if you took the list of terrorist attacks in USA since 9/11 and factored in Muslims representing only 0.9% of the population, the figures would look horrendous.

You may also want to check out the list of foiled attacks.
[url]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unsuccessful_terrorist_plots_in_the_United
_States_post-9/11[/url]


And yet still if we stopped pretending terrorism was somehow worse than any other violent crime - and factored into the mix *ALL* violent crime in the US - the Islamists wouldn't even be a blip on the radar - and thats including 9/11.
Nobody is saying it's worse. We aren't talking about standard murder though. We are talking about murder motivated by a political ideology.
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Reply #69 - Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:59pm
 
gandalf wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:54pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:48pm:
gandalf wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:38pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:13pm:
cods wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:11pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:55pm:
cods wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:42pm:
I think there has been as much Christian bashing as Muslim bashing on this thread..


thats what I mean about a "common goal"...

we just will never find it..


Not even close. The only person who has come close to bashing Christianity is Bigol, and he bashes everyone.

The rest of us have been clear the target of our concern is terrorism, whomsoever commits it.



there are many reasons given here  that claim more terrorist acts are claimed by Christian groups than muslims groups...

almost triumphantly Roll Eyes Roll Eyes... so to speak..

divide and fall... sure as hell we wont find an answer this way..


anyway I am out of here..

I have no interest in america and all its issues.. let them worry about them... not for me...


Nobody has claimed that.

The claim is that there are more extreme right-wing terrorist attacks than Islamist terrorist attacks in the US.

Christian terrorism is a part of that.


To be fair though, the "extreme right-wing" demographic is a lot broader and larger than the demographic responsible for Islamist attacks. One would expect them to commit a larger number of attacks - and moreover they constitute a far broader spectrum of terrorists - pro-lifers, anti-government militias, ku klux clan style racists etc etc...

Its probably not really accurate to lump them all into the one basket and say 'this is a single group of extremists' - and claim they are exactly equivalent to the very specific category of Islamist extremists. They aren't. And I would say exactly the same thing if people lumped say Islamic State inspired terrorists with terrorists who are Palestinian nationalists - just because they are both (nominally) muslim.


Gandalf if you took the list of terrorist attacks in USA since 9/11 and factored in Muslims representing only 0.9% of the population, the figures would look horrendous.

You may also want to check out the list of foiled attacks.
[url]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unsuccessful_terrorist_plots_in_the_United
_States_post-9/11[/url]


And yet still if we stopped pretending terrorism was somehow worse than any other violent crime - and factored into the mix *ALL* violent crime in the US - the Islamists wouldn't even be a blip on the radar - and thats including 9/11.


Correct.

The macabre truth of gun control in the US is that toddlers kill more people than terrorists do.

"CLAIM: Toddlers killed more Americans than terrorists in 2015."

"Even using the broadest leeway in counting U.S. victims of “Islamic terrorism” leads to the same mathematical conclusion: More Americans were shot and killed by toddlers in 2015 than were killed by Islamic terrorists."


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Reply #70 - Mar 17th, 2017 at 6:02pm
 
gandalf wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:54pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:48pm:
gandalf wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:38pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:13pm:
cods wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:11pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:55pm:
cods wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:42pm:
I think there has been as much Christian bashing as Muslim bashing on this thread..


thats what I mean about a "common goal"...

we just will never find it..


Not even close. The only person who has come close to bashing Christianity is Bigol, and he bashes everyone.

The rest of us have been clear the target of our concern is terrorism, whomsoever commits it.



there are many reasons given here  that claim more terrorist acts are claimed by Christian groups than muslims groups...

almost triumphantly Roll Eyes Roll Eyes... so to speak..

divide and fall... sure as hell we wont find an answer this way..


anyway I am out of here..

I have no interest in america and all its issues.. let them worry about them... not for me...


Nobody has claimed that.

The claim is that there are more extreme right-wing terrorist attacks than Islamist terrorist attacks in the US.

Christian terrorism is a part of that.


To be fair though, the "extreme right-wing" demographic is a lot broader and larger than the demographic responsible for Islamist attacks. One would expect them to commit a larger number of attacks - and moreover they constitute a far broader spectrum of terrorists - pro-lifers, anti-government militias, ku klux clan style racists etc etc...

Its probably not really accurate to lump them all into the one basket and say 'this is a single group of extremists' - and claim they are exactly equivalent to the very specific category of Islamist extremists. They aren't. And I would say exactly the same thing if people lumped say Islamic State inspired terrorists with terrorists who are Palestinian nationalists - just because they are both (nominally) muslim.


Gandalf if you took the list of terrorist attacks in USA since 9/11 and factored in Muslims representing only 0.9% of the population, the figures would look horrendous.

You may also want to check out the list of foiled attacks.
[url]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unsuccessful_terrorist_plots_in_the_United
_States_post-9/11[/url]


And yet still if we stopped pretending terrorism was somehow worse than any other violent crime - and factored into the mix *ALL* violent crime in the US - the Islamists wouldn't even be a blip on the radar - and thats including 9/11.


Crime is crime.
Terrorism is trying to change society with violence.
It's different. Very very different.

If Malala Yousafzai was shot in the head in a robbery is it the same as her being shot in the head and warning other girls not to go to school?
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Reply #71 - Mar 17th, 2017 at 6:04pm
 
mothra wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:57pm:
gandalf wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:54pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:48pm:
gandalf wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:38pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:13pm:
cods wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:11pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:55pm:
cods wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:42pm:
I think there has been as much Christian bashing as Muslim bashing on this thread..


thats what I mean about a "common goal"...

we just will never find it..


Not even close. The only person who has come close to bashing Christianity is Bigol, and he bashes everyone.

The rest of us have been clear the target of our concern is terrorism, whomsoever commits it.



there are many reasons given here  that claim more terrorist acts are claimed by Christian groups than muslims groups...

almost triumphantly Roll Eyes Roll Eyes... so to speak..

divide and fall... sure as hell we wont find an answer this way..


anyway I am out of here..

I have no interest in america and all its issues.. let them worry about them... not for me...


Nobody has claimed that.

The claim is that there are more extreme right-wing terrorist attacks than Islamist terrorist attacks in the US.

Christian terrorism is a part of that.


To be fair though, the "extreme right-wing" demographic is a lot broader and larger than the demographic responsible for Islamist attacks. One would expect them to commit a larger number of attacks - and moreover they constitute a far broader spectrum of terrorists - pro-lifers, anti-government militias, ku klux clan style racists etc etc...

Its probably not really accurate to lump them all into the one basket and say 'this is a single group of extremists' - and claim they are exactly equivalent to the very specific category of Islamist extremists. They aren't. And I would say exactly the same thing if people lumped say Islamic State inspired terrorists with terrorists who are Palestinian nationalists - just because they are both (nominally) muslim.


Gandalf if you took the list of terrorist attacks in USA since 9/11 and factored in Muslims representing only 0.9% of the population, the figures would look horrendous.

You may also want to check out the list of foiled attacks.
[url]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unsuccessful_terrorist_plots_in_the_United
_States_post-9/11[/url]


And yet still if we stopped pretending terrorism was somehow worse than any other violent crime - and factored into the mix *ALL* violent crime in the US - the Islamists wouldn't even be a blip on the radar - and thats including 9/11.




An excellent point.


A most excellent point.

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Reply #72 - Mar 17th, 2017 at 6:07pm
 
Gordon wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 6:02pm:
gandalf wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:54pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:48pm:
gandalf wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:38pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:13pm:
cods wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:11pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:55pm:
cods wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:42pm:
I think there has been as much Christian bashing as Muslim bashing on this thread..


thats what I mean about a "common goal"...

we just will never find it..


Not even close. The only person who has come close to bashing Christianity is Bigol, and he bashes everyone.

The rest of us have been clear the target of our concern is terrorism, whomsoever commits it.



there are many reasons given here  that claim more terrorist acts are claimed by Christian groups than muslims groups...

almost triumphantly Roll Eyes Roll Eyes... so to speak..

divide and fall... sure as hell we wont find an answer this way..


anyway I am out of here..

I have no interest in america and all its issues.. let them worry about them... not for me...


Nobody has claimed that.

The claim is that there are more extreme right-wing terrorist attacks than Islamist terrorist attacks in the US.

Christian terrorism is a part of that.


To be fair though, the "extreme right-wing" demographic is a lot broader and larger than the demographic responsible for Islamist attacks. One would expect them to commit a larger number of attacks - and moreover they constitute a far broader spectrum of terrorists - pro-lifers, anti-government militias, ku klux clan style racists etc etc...

Its probably not really accurate to lump them all into the one basket and say 'this is a single group of extremists' - and claim they are exactly equivalent to the very specific category of Islamist extremists. They aren't. And I would say exactly the same thing if people lumped say Islamic State inspired terrorists with terrorists who are Palestinian nationalists - just because they are both (nominally) muslim.


Gandalf if you took the list of terrorist attacks in USA since 9/11 and factored in Muslims representing only 0.9% of the population, the figures would look horrendous.

You may also want to check out the list of foiled attacks.
[url]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unsuccessful_terrorist_plots_in_the_United
_States_post-9/11[/url]


And yet still if we stopped pretending terrorism was somehow worse than any other violent crime - and factored into the mix *ALL* violent crime in the US - the Islamists wouldn't even be a blip on the radar - and thats including 9/11.


Crime is crime.
Terrorism is trying to change society with violence.
It's different. Very very different.

If Malala Yousafzai was shot in the head in a robbery is it the same as her being shot in the head and warning other girls not to go to school?



Malala was the victim of violent crime, not terrorism.
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Reply #73 - Mar 17th, 2017 at 6:07pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 6:04pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:57pm:
gandalf wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:54pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:48pm:
gandalf wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:38pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:13pm:
cods wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:11pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:55pm:
cods wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:42pm:
I think there has been as much Christian bashing as Muslim bashing on this thread..


thats what I mean about a "common goal"...

we just will never find it..


Not even close. The only person who has come close to bashing Christianity is Bigol, and he bashes everyone.

The rest of us have been clear the target of our concern is terrorism, whomsoever commits it.



there are many reasons given here  that claim more terrorist acts are claimed by Christian groups than muslims groups...

almost triumphantly Roll Eyes Roll Eyes... so to speak..

divide and fall... sure as hell we wont find an answer this way..


anyway I am out of here..

I have no interest in america and all its issues.. let them worry about them... not for me...


Nobody has claimed that.

The claim is that there are more extreme right-wing terrorist attacks than Islamist terrorist attacks in the US.

Christian terrorism is a part of that.


To be fair though, the "extreme right-wing" demographic is a lot broader and larger than the demographic responsible for Islamist attacks. One would expect them to commit a larger number of attacks - and moreover they constitute a far broader spectrum of terrorists - pro-lifers, anti-government militias, ku klux clan style racists etc etc...

Its probably not really accurate to lump them all into the one basket and say 'this is a single group of extremists' - and claim they are exactly equivalent to the very specific category of Islamist extremists. They aren't. And I would say exactly the same thing if people lumped say Islamic State inspired terrorists with terrorists who are Palestinian nationalists - just because they are both (nominally) muslim.


Gandalf if you took the list of terrorist attacks in USA since 9/11 and factored in Muslims representing only 0.9% of the population, the figures would look horrendous.

You may also want to check out the list of foiled attacks.
[url]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unsuccessful_terrorist_plots_in_the_United
_States_post-9/11[/url]


And yet still if we stopped pretending terrorism was somehow worse than any other violent crime - and factored into the mix *ALL* violent crime in the US - the Islamists wouldn't even be a blip on the radar - and thats including 9/11.




An excellent point.


A most excellent point.



Not even 0.9% as excellent as

If Malala Yousafzai was shot in the head in a robbery is it the same as her being shot in the head and warning other girls not to go to school?

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Reply #74 - Mar 17th, 2017 at 6:08pm
 
mothra wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 6:07pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 6:02pm:
gandalf wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:54pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:48pm:
gandalf wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:38pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:13pm:
cods wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:11pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:55pm:
cods wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:42pm:
I think there has been as much Christian bashing as Muslim bashing on this thread..


thats what I mean about a "common goal"...

we just will never find it..


Not even close. The only person who has come close to bashing Christianity is Bigol, and he bashes everyone.

The rest of us have been clear the target of our concern is terrorism, whomsoever commits it.



there are many reasons given here  that claim more terrorist acts are claimed by Christian groups than muslims groups...

almost triumphantly Roll Eyes Roll Eyes... so to speak..

divide and fall... sure as hell we wont find an answer this way..


anyway I am out of here..

I have no interest in america and all its issues.. let them worry about them... not for me...


Nobody has claimed that.

The claim is that there are more extreme right-wing terrorist attacks than Islamist terrorist attacks in the US.

Christian terrorism is a part of that.


To be fair though, the "extreme right-wing" demographic is a lot broader and larger than the demographic responsible for Islamist attacks. One would expect them to commit a larger number of attacks - and moreover they constitute a far broader spectrum of terrorists - pro-lifers, anti-government militias, ku klux clan style racists etc etc...

Its probably not really accurate to lump them all into the one basket and say 'this is a single group of extremists' - and claim they are exactly equivalent to the very specific category of Islamist extremists. They aren't. And I would say exactly the same thing if people lumped say Islamic State inspired terrorists with terrorists who are Palestinian nationalists - just because they are both (nominally) muslim.


Gandalf if you took the list of terrorist attacks in USA since 9/11 and factored in Muslims representing only 0.9% of the population, the figures would look horrendous.

You may also want to check out the list of foiled attacks.
[url]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unsuccessful_terrorist_plots_in_the_United
_States_post-9/11[/url]


And yet still if we stopped pretending terrorism was somehow worse than any other violent crime - and factored into the mix *ALL* violent crime in the US - the Islamists wouldn't even be a blip on the radar - and thats including 9/11.


Crime is crime.
Terrorism is trying to change society with violence.
It's different. Very very different.

If Malala Yousafzai was shot in the head in a robbery is it the same as her being shot in the head and warning other girls not to go to school?



Malala was the victim of violent crime, not terrorism.


You've got to be fkucking kidding.
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Reply #75 - Mar 17th, 2017 at 6:11pm
 
mothra wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 6:07pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 6:02pm:
gandalf wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:54pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:48pm:
gandalf wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:38pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:13pm:
cods wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:11pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:55pm:
cods wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:42pm:
I think there has been as much Christian bashing as Muslim bashing on this thread..


thats what I mean about a "common goal"...

we just will never find it..


Not even close. The only person who has come close to bashing Christianity is Bigol, and he bashes everyone.

The rest of us have been clear the target of our concern is terrorism, whomsoever commits it.



there are many reasons given here  that claim more terrorist acts are claimed by Christian groups than muslims groups...

almost triumphantly Roll Eyes Roll Eyes... so to speak..

divide and fall... sure as hell we wont find an answer this way..


anyway I am out of here..

I have no interest in america and all its issues.. let them worry about them... not for me...


Nobody has claimed that.

The claim is that there are more extreme right-wing terrorist attacks than Islamist terrorist attacks in the US.

Christian terrorism is a part of that.


To be fair though, the "extreme right-wing" demographic is a lot broader and larger than the demographic responsible for Islamist attacks. One would expect them to commit a larger number of attacks - and moreover they constitute a far broader spectrum of terrorists - pro-lifers, anti-government militias, ku klux clan style racists etc etc...

Its probably not really accurate to lump them all into the one basket and say 'this is a single group of extremists' - and claim they are exactly equivalent to the very specific category of Islamist extremists. They aren't. And I would say exactly the same thing if people lumped say Islamic State inspired terrorists with terrorists who are Palestinian nationalists - just because they are both (nominally) muslim.


Gandalf if you took the list of terrorist attacks in USA since 9/11 and factored in Muslims representing only 0.9% of the population, the figures would look horrendous.

You may also want to check out the list of foiled attacks.
[url]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unsuccessful_terrorist_plots_in_the_United
_States_post-9/11[/url]


And yet still if we stopped pretending terrorism was somehow worse than any other violent crime - and factored into the mix *ALL* violent crime in the US - the Islamists wouldn't even be a blip on the radar - and thats including 9/11.


Crime is crime.
Terrorism is trying to change society with violence.
It's different. Very very different.

If Malala Yousafzai was shot in the head in a robbery is it the same as her being shot in the head and warning other girls not to go to school?



Malala was the victim of violent crime, not terrorism.


Correct.

Watch Gordy try to spin it his way, though.

Gordy hates all Muslims, by the way.

Thus, Gordy hates Malala Yousafzai.

That's sad.

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Reply #76 - Mar 17th, 2017 at 6:12pm
 
mothra wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 6:07pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 6:02pm:
gandalf wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:54pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:48pm:
gandalf wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:38pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:13pm:
cods wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:11pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:55pm:
cods wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:42pm:
I think there has been as much Christian bashing as Muslim bashing on this thread..


thats what I mean about a "common goal"...

we just will never find it..


Not even close. The only person who has come close to bashing Christianity is Bigol, and he bashes everyone.

The rest of us have been clear the target of our concern is terrorism, whomsoever commits it.



there are many reasons given here  that claim more terrorist acts are claimed by Christian groups than muslims groups...

almost triumphantly Roll Eyes Roll Eyes... so to speak..

divide and fall... sure as hell we wont find an answer this way..


anyway I am out of here..

I have no interest in america and all its issues.. let them worry about them... not for me...


Nobody has claimed that.

The claim is that there are more extreme right-wing terrorist attacks than Islamist terrorist attacks in the US.

Christian terrorism is a part of that.


To be fair though, the "extreme right-wing" demographic is a lot broader and larger than the demographic responsible for Islamist attacks. One would expect them to commit a larger number of attacks - and moreover they constitute a far broader spectrum of terrorists - pro-lifers, anti-government militias, ku klux clan style racists etc etc...

Its probably not really accurate to lump them all into the one basket and say 'this is a single group of extremists' - and claim they are exactly equivalent to the very specific category of Islamist extremists. They aren't. And I would say exactly the same thing if people lumped say Islamic State inspired terrorists with terrorists who are Palestinian nationalists - just because they are both (nominally) muslim.


Gandalf if you took the list of terrorist attacks in USA since 9/11 and factored in Muslims representing only 0.9% of the population, the figures would look horrendous.

You may also want to check out the list of foiled attacks.
[url]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unsuccessful_terrorist_plots_in_the_United
_States_post-9/11[/url]


And yet still if we stopped pretending terrorism was somehow worse than any other violent crime - and factored into the mix *ALL* violent crime in the US - the Islamists wouldn't even be a blip on the radar - and thats including 9/11.


Crime is crime.
Terrorism is trying to change society with violence.
It's different. Very very different.

If Malala Yousafzai was shot in the head in a robbery is it the same as her being shot in the head and warning other girls not to go to school?



Malala was the victim of violent crime, not terrorism.
By definition it's a terrorist act. A crime to further a political ideology. Do I need to repeat this fact numbskull?
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Speaking of Malala Yousafzai:


Malala Yousafzai urges people not to blame Muslims for terrorism as it ENCOURAGES ISIS



THE teenage Nobel prize-winner Malala Yousafzai has urged people not to blame all Muslims for terrorism as it just helps terrorists recruit more jihadis.

The inspiring young superstar even criticised Donald Trump's recent comments to ban all Muslim immigration from the US.

She said the controversial United States presidential hopeful "could radicalise more terrorists" as the 18-year-old Pakistani campaigner urged politicians to think carefully before speaking.

She said that the rise in Islamophobia seen since the Paris terror attacks and San Bernandino shooting in California would only make matters worse.

The education activist added: "I can just highlight one thing.

"The more you speak about Islam and against all Muslims, the more terrorists we create.

"If your intention is to stop terrorism, do not try to blame the whole population of Muslims for it because it cannot stop terrorism."

Malala's father Ziauddin Yousafzai joined in the attacks on Trump's extreme immigration plan.

He said: "If Americans don't stand against their own Donald Trumps , their strategy will not work."

She made her remarks ahead of the Poppies for Peace in Peshawar to remember a deadly school attack in Pakistan.

The event marks the first anniversary of a deadly attack on the school by Pakistani Taliban which left 145 dead, including 132 young students.

Malala herself narrowly avoided death in 2012 after being shot by the terror group for her courageous campaigning for a girls' rights to an education.

She was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize in October last year and has since continued to campaign for worldwide access to education, even addressing the United Nations on the issue.

She has since adopted Birmingham in the UK as her new hometown - and amid tight security today, Malala has previously said how she is "proud to be a Brummie".

Ms Yousafzai also revealed that she was proud to call herself "a feminist".

She said: "When I listened to Emma Watson's speech at the UN, that was a really inspiring speech. Because that confusion you have in your mind, whether you should call yourself a feminist or not.

"Even though you are, you believe in equality, you believe in equal rights for both men and women, but you just can't say that single word, that you are a feminist.

"And then I said I should not hesitate and I should say that I am a Muslim and a feminist."

She added: "I think in terms of religion, there is not a very clear-cut answer to these issues.

"For example, women's rights, in terms of politics, everything is interpreted in different ways by different people.

"But to me Islam is about equality and calling myself feminist would have no position from the religion."

Another young brave student, Muhammad Ibrahim Khan, joined Malala's call to fight ISIS ideology with education.

He was left in a wheelchair after being shot in the back during the school attack

The 14-year-old was there alongside Ahmad Nawaz, who survived the Peshawar attack by playing dead for two hours.

He revealed how he had witnessed his own teacher being burned alive during the massacre.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/627121/Malala-Yousafzai-blame-Muslims-terrorism...


What an incredibly inspiring young woman!
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Reply #78 - Mar 17th, 2017 at 6:13pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 6:11pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 6:07pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 6:02pm:
gandalf wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:54pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:48pm:
gandalf wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:38pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:13pm:
cods wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:11pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:55pm:
cods wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:42pm:
I think there has been as much Christian bashing as Muslim bashing on this thread..


thats what I mean about a "common goal"...

we just will never find it..


Not even close. The only person who has come close to bashing Christianity is Bigol, and he bashes everyone.

The rest of us have been clear the target of our concern is terrorism, whomsoever commits it.



there are many reasons given here  that claim more terrorist acts are claimed by Christian groups than muslims groups...

almost triumphantly Roll Eyes Roll Eyes... so to speak..

divide and fall... sure as hell we wont find an answer this way..


anyway I am out of here..

I have no interest in america and all its issues.. let them worry about them... not for me...


Nobody has claimed that.

The claim is that there are more extreme right-wing terrorist attacks than Islamist terrorist attacks in the US.

Christian terrorism is a part of that.


To be fair though, the "extreme right-wing" demographic is a lot broader and larger than the demographic responsible for Islamist attacks. One would expect them to commit a larger number of attacks - and moreover they constitute a far broader spectrum of terrorists - pro-lifers, anti-government militias, ku klux clan style racists etc etc...

Its probably not really accurate to lump them all into the one basket and say 'this is a single group of extremists' - and claim they are exactly equivalent to the very specific category of Islamist extremists. They aren't. And I would say exactly the same thing if people lumped say Islamic State inspired terrorists with terrorists who are Palestinian nationalists - just because they are both (nominally) muslim.


Gandalf if you took the list of terrorist attacks in USA since 9/11 and factored in Muslims representing only 0.9% of the population, the figures would look horrendous.

You may also want to check out the list of foiled attacks.
[url]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unsuccessful_terrorist_plots_in_the_United
_States_post-9/11[/url]


And yet still if we stopped pretending terrorism was somehow worse than any other violent crime - and factored into the mix *ALL* violent crime in the US - the Islamists wouldn't even be a blip on the radar - and thats including 9/11.


Crime is crime.
Terrorism is trying to change society with violence.
It's different. Very very different.

If Malala Yousafzai was shot in the head in a robbery is it the same as her being shot in the head and warning other girls not to go to school?



Malala was the victim of violent crime, not terrorism.


Correct.

Watch Gordy try to spin it his way, though.

Gordy hates all Muslims, by the way.

Thus, Gordy hates Malala Yousafzai.

That's sad.

No, by definition it's a terrorist act. A crime committed to further a political ideology. Another dumbass.
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Reply #79 - Mar 17th, 2017 at 6:16pm
 
Mothra, Malala says not to blame MUSLIMS for terror attacks.

She doesn't say to not call terrorists what they are.

Just...WOW!!!!

Taliban
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http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/taliban-gunmen-shot-malala-yousafzai-life-...
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Reply #80 - Mar 17th, 2017 at 6:17pm
 
mothra wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 6:12pm:
Speaking of Malala Yousafzai:


Malala Yousafzai urges people not to blame Muslims for terrorism as it ENCOURAGES ISIS



THE teenage Nobel prize-winner Malala Yousafzai has urged people not to blame all Muslims for terrorism as it just helps terrorists recruit more jihadis.

The inspiring young superstar even criticised Donald Trump's recent comments to ban all Muslim immigration from the US.

She said the controversial United States presidential hopeful "could radicalise more terrorists" as the 18-year-old Pakistani campaigner urged politicians to think carefully before speaking.

She said that the rise in Islamophobia seen since the Paris terror attacks and San Bernandino shooting in California would only make matters worse.

The education activist added: "I can just highlight one thing.

"The more you speak about Islam and against all Muslims, the more terrorists we create.

"If your intention is to stop terrorism, do not try to blame the whole population of Muslims for it because it cannot stop terrorism."

Malala's father Ziauddin Yousafzai joined in the attacks on Trump's extreme immigration plan.

He said: "If Americans don't stand against their own Donald Trumps , their strategy will not work."

She made her remarks ahead of the Poppies for Peace in Peshawar to remember a deadly school attack in Pakistan.

The event marks the first anniversary of a deadly attack on the school by Pakistani Taliban which left 145 dead, including 132 young students.

Malala herself narrowly avoided death in 2012 after being shot by the terror group for her courageous campaigning for a girls' rights to an education.

She was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize in October last year and has since continued to campaign for worldwide access to education, even addressing the United Nations on the issue.

She has since adopted Birmingham in the UK as her new hometown - and amid tight security today, Malala has previously said how she is "proud to be a Brummie".

Ms Yousafzai also revealed that she was proud to call herself "a feminist".

She said: "When I listened to Emma Watson's speech at the UN, that was a really inspiring speech. Because that confusion you have in your mind, whether you should call yourself a feminist or not.

"Even though you are, you believe in equality, you believe in equal rights for both men and women, but you just can't say that single word, that you are a feminist.

"And then I said I should not hesitate and I should say that I am a Muslim and a feminist."

She added: "I think in terms of religion, there is not a very clear-cut answer to these issues.

"For example, women's rights, in terms of politics, everything is interpreted in different ways by different people.

"But to me Islam is about equality and calling myself feminist would have no position from the religion."

Another young brave student, Muhammad Ibrahim Khan, joined Malala's call to fight ISIS ideology with education.

He was left in a wheelchair after being shot in the back during the school attack

The 14-year-old was there alongside Ahmad Nawaz, who survived the Peshawar attack by playing dead for two hours.

He revealed how he had witnessed his own teacher being burned alive during the massacre.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/627121/Malala-Yousafzai-blame-Muslims-terrorism...


What an incredibly inspiring young woman!



Indeed.

Smarter than Trump and every single one of his flunkies.

Why do Gordy and Hammer hate her so much?

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Reply #81 - Mar 17th, 2017 at 6:18pm
 
Gordon wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 6:16pm:
Mothra, Malala says not to blame MUSLIMS for terror attacks.


That's right.

Blame the terrorists.

Apologist.

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Reply #82 - Mar 17th, 2017 at 6:19pm
 
Gordon wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 6:16pm:
Mothra, Malala says not to blame MUSLIMS for terror attacks.

She doesn't say to not call terrorists what they are.

Just...WOW!!!!

Taliban
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who attempted Malala Yousafzai assassination are sentenced to life in prison
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/taliban-gunmen-shot-malala-yousafzai-life-...



Acts of violence from repressive regimes aren't terrorism, Gordy.

They are a whole lot of things, but they aren't terrorism.
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Reply #83 - Mar 17th, 2017 at 6:20pm
 
Gordon wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 6:02pm:
gandalf wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:54pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:48pm:
gandalf wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:38pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:13pm:
cods wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:11pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:55pm:
cods wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:42pm:
I think there has been as much Christian bashing as Muslim bashing on this thread..


thats what I mean about a "common goal"...

we just will never find it..


Not even close. The only person who has come close to bashing Christianity is Bigol, and he bashes everyone.

The rest of us have been clear the target of our concern is terrorism, whomsoever commits it.



there are many reasons given here  that claim more terrorist acts are claimed by Christian groups than muslims groups...

almost triumphantly Roll Eyes Roll Eyes... so to speak..

divide and fall... sure as hell we wont find an answer this way..


anyway I am out of here..

I have no interest in america and all its issues.. let them worry about them... not for me...


Nobody has claimed that.

The claim is that there are more extreme right-wing terrorist attacks than Islamist terrorist attacks in the US.

Christian terrorism is a part of that.


To be fair though, the "extreme right-wing" demographic is a lot broader and larger than the demographic responsible for Islamist attacks. One would expect them to commit a larger number of attacks - and moreover they constitute a far broader spectrum of terrorists - pro-lifers, anti-government militias, ku klux clan style racists etc etc...

Its probably not really accurate to lump them all into the one basket and say 'this is a single group of extremists' - and claim they are exactly equivalent to the very specific category of Islamist extremists. They aren't. And I would say exactly the same thing if people lumped say Islamic State inspired terrorists with terrorists who are Palestinian nationalists - just because they are both (nominally) muslim.


Gandalf if you took the list of terrorist attacks in USA since 9/11 and factored in Muslims representing only 0.9% of the population, the figures would look horrendous.

You may also want to check out the list of foiled attacks.
[url]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unsuccessful_terrorist_plots_in_the_United
_States_post-9/11[/url]


And yet still if we stopped pretending terrorism was somehow worse than any other violent crime - and factored into the mix *ALL* violent crime in the US - the Islamists wouldn't even be a blip on the radar - and thats including 9/11.


Crime is crime.
Terrorism is trying to change society with violence.
It's different. Very very different.

If Malala Yousafzai was shot in the head in a robbery is it the same as her being shot in the head and warning other girls not to go to school?


Its highly debatable to claim that all or even most of the so called "Islamist terrorists" were actually motivated by a desire to change society. If a psychological analysis was conducted on all those terrorists, In many if not most cases, I'd bet you'd end up finding the same psychological issues that led regular non-terrorist murderers to kill. And especially in this day and age of 'lone wolf' terrorists - where you have dropouts with all the typical issues like self-esteem, sexual inadequacy, can't get a girlfriend, shame over being closet gays etc etc - which drives them to kill, and then shout "Allahu Akbar" while they do it more or less as an afterthought. Yet dare suggest that perhaps Islam wasn't the cause of it all - and you best duck for cover.
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Reply #84 - Mar 17th, 2017 at 6:25pm
 
mothra wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 6:19pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 6:16pm:
Mothra, Malala says not to blame MUSLIMS for terror attacks.

She doesn't say to not call terrorists what they are.

Just...WOW!!!!

Taliban
terrorists
who attempted Malala Yousafzai assassination are sentenced to life in prison
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/taliban-gunmen-shot-malala-yousafzai-life-...



Acts of violence from repressive regimes aren't terrorism, Gordy.

They are a whole lot of things, but they aren't terrorism.
The Taliban shoot a girl campaigning for female education in Pakistan. Mothra says it's not terrorism.

How does Mothra define this?- A skinhead kills a black girl  campaigning for racial equality?

t... te......terr....... Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked
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Excerpt from I AM MALALA
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and was Shot by the Taliban

Malala Yousafzai

I thought if anyone attacked me it would be on those steps. Like my father I’ve always been a daydreamer, and sometimes in lessons my mind would drift and I’d imagine that on the way home a terrorist might jump out and shoot me on those steps.
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Reply #86 - Mar 17th, 2017 at 6:27pm
 
gandalf wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 6:20pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 6:02pm:
gandalf wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:54pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:48pm:
gandalf wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:38pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:13pm:
cods wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:11pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:55pm:
cods wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:42pm:
I think there has been as much Christian bashing as Muslim bashing on this thread..


thats what I mean about a "common goal"...

we just will never find it..


Not even close. The only person who has come close to bashing Christianity is Bigol, and he bashes everyone.

The rest of us have been clear the target of our concern is terrorism, whomsoever commits it.



there are many reasons given here  that claim more terrorist acts are claimed by Christian groups than muslims groups...

almost triumphantly Roll Eyes Roll Eyes... so to speak..

divide and fall... sure as hell we wont find an answer this way..


anyway I am out of here..

I have no interest in america and all its issues.. let them worry about them... not for me...


Nobody has claimed that.

The claim is that there are more extreme right-wing terrorist attacks than Islamist terrorist attacks in the US.

Christian terrorism is a part of that.


To be fair though, the "extreme right-wing" demographic is a lot broader and larger than the demographic responsible for Islamist attacks. One would expect them to commit a larger number of attacks - and moreover they constitute a far broader spectrum of terrorists - pro-lifers, anti-government militias, ku klux clan style racists etc etc...

Its probably not really accurate to lump them all into the one basket and say 'this is a single group of extremists' - and claim they are exactly equivalent to the very specific category of Islamist extremists. They aren't. And I would say exactly the same thing if people lumped say Islamic State inspired terrorists with terrorists who are Palestinian nationalists - just because they are both (nominally) muslim.


Gandalf if you took the list of terrorist attacks in USA since 9/11 and factored in Muslims representing only 0.9% of the population, the figures would look horrendous.

You may also want to check out the list of foiled attacks.
[url]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unsuccessful_terrorist_plots_in_the_United
_States_post-9/11[/url]


And yet still if we stopped pretending terrorism was somehow worse than any other violent crime - and factored into the mix *ALL* violent crime in the US - the Islamists wouldn't even be a blip on the radar - and thats including 9/11.


Crime is crime.
Terrorism is trying to change society with violence.
It's different. Very very different.

If Malala Yousafzai was shot in the head in a robbery is it the same as her being shot in the head and warning other girls not to go to school?


Its highly debatable to claim that all or even most of the so called "Islamist terrorists" were actually motivated by a desire to change society. If a psychological analysis was conducted on all those terrorists, In many if not most cases, I'd bet you'd end up finding the same psychological issues that led regular non-terrorist murderers to kill. And especially in this day and age of 'lone wolf' terrorists - where you have dropouts with all the typical issues like self-esteem, sexual inadequacy, can't get a girlfriend, shame over being closet gays etc etc - which drives them to kill, and then shout "Allahu Akbar" while they do it more or less as an afterthought. Yet dare suggest that perhaps Islam wasn't the cause of it all - and you best duck for cover.



The Orlando shooting being a classic example of this.
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Gordon wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 6:26pm:
Excerpt from I AM MALALA
The Girl Who Stood Up for Education
and was Shot by the Taliban

Malala Yousafzai

I thought if anyone attacked me it would be on those steps. Like my father I’ve always been a daydreamer, and sometimes in lessons my mind would drift and I’d imagine that on the way home a terrorist might jump out and shoot me on those steps.


Why do you hate Malala so much?

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gandalf wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 6:20pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 6:02pm:
gandalf wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:54pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:48pm:
gandalf wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:38pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:13pm:
cods wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:11pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:55pm:
cods wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:42pm:
I think there has been as much Christian bashing as Muslim bashing on this thread..


thats what I mean about a "common goal"...

we just will never find it..


Not even close. The only person who has come close to bashing Christianity is Bigol, and he bashes everyone.

The rest of us have been clear the target of our concern is terrorism, whomsoever commits it.



there are many reasons given here  that claim more terrorist acts are claimed by Christian groups than muslims groups...

almost triumphantly Roll Eyes Roll Eyes... so to speak..

divide and fall... sure as hell we wont find an answer this way..


anyway I am out of here..

I have no interest in america and all its issues.. let them worry about them... not for me...


Nobody has claimed that.

The claim is that there are more extreme right-wing terrorist attacks than Islamist terrorist attacks in the US.

Christian terrorism is a part of that.


To be fair though, the "extreme right-wing" demographic is a lot broader and larger than the demographic responsible for Islamist attacks. One would expect them to commit a larger number of attacks - and moreover they constitute a far broader spectrum of terrorists - pro-lifers, anti-government militias, ku klux clan style racists etc etc...

Its probably not really accurate to lump them all into the one basket and say 'this is a single group of extremists' - and claim they are exactly equivalent to the very specific category of Islamist extremists. They aren't. And I would say exactly the same thing if people lumped say Islamic State inspired terrorists with terrorists who are Palestinian nationalists - just because they are both (nominally) muslim.


Gandalf if you took the list of terrorist attacks in USA since 9/11 and factored in Muslims representing only 0.9% of the population, the figures would look horrendous.

You may also want to check out the list of foiled attacks.
[url]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unsuccessful_terrorist_plots_in_the_United
_States_post-9/11[/url]


And yet still if we stopped pretending terrorism was somehow worse than any other violent crime - and factored into the mix *ALL* violent crime in the US - the Islamists wouldn't even be a blip on the radar - and thats including 9/11.


Crime is crime.
Terrorism is trying to change society with violence.
It's different. Very very different.

If Malala Yousafzai was shot in the head in a robbery is it the same as her being shot in the head and warning other girls not to go to school?


Its highly debatable to claim that all or even most of the so called "Islamist terrorists" were actually motivated by a desire to change society. If a psychological analysis was conducted on all those terrorists, In many if not most cases, I'd bet you'd end up finding the same psychological issues that led regular non-terrorist murderers to kill. And especially in this day and age of 'lone wolf' terrorists - where you have dropouts with all the typical issues like self-esteem, sexual inadequacy, can't get a girlfriend, shame over being closet gays etc etc - which drives them to kill, and then shout "Allahu Akbar" while they do it more or less as an afterthought. Yet dare suggest that perhaps Islam wasn't the cause of it all - and you best duck for cover.
So why aren't Buddhists killing people of other religions all over the world then?
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Reply #89 - Mar 17th, 2017 at 6:29pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 6:27pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 6:26pm:
Excerpt from I AM MALALA
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and was Shot by the Taliban

Malala Yousafzai

I thought if anyone attacked me it would be on those steps. Like my father I’ve always been a daydreamer, and sometimes in lessons my mind would drift and I’d imagine that on the way home a terrorist might jump out and shoot me on those steps.


Why do you hate Malala so much?



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Reply #90 - Mar 17th, 2017 at 6:30pm
 
mothra wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 6:27pm:
gandalf wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 6:20pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 6:02pm:
gandalf wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:54pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:48pm:
gandalf wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:38pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:13pm:
cods wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:11pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:55pm:
cods wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:42pm:
I think there has been as much Christian bashing as Muslim bashing on this thread..


thats what I mean about a "common goal"...

we just will never find it..


Not even close. The only person who has come close to bashing Christianity is Bigol, and he bashes everyone.

The rest of us have been clear the target of our concern is terrorism, whomsoever commits it.



there are many reasons given here  that claim more terrorist acts are claimed by Christian groups than muslims groups...

almost triumphantly Roll Eyes Roll Eyes... so to speak..

divide and fall... sure as hell we wont find an answer this way..


anyway I am out of here..

I have no interest in america and all its issues.. let them worry about them... not for me...


Nobody has claimed that.

The claim is that there are more extreme right-wing terrorist attacks than Islamist terrorist attacks in the US.

Christian terrorism is a part of that.


To be fair though, the "extreme right-wing" demographic is a lot broader and larger than the demographic responsible for Islamist attacks. One would expect them to commit a larger number of attacks - and moreover they constitute a far broader spectrum of terrorists - pro-lifers, anti-government militias, ku klux clan style racists etc etc...

Its probably not really accurate to lump them all into the one basket and say 'this is a single group of extremists' - and claim they are exactly equivalent to the very specific category of Islamist extremists. They aren't. And I would say exactly the same thing if people lumped say Islamic State inspired terrorists with terrorists who are Palestinian nationalists - just because they are both (nominally) muslim.


Gandalf if you took the list of terrorist attacks in USA since 9/11 and factored in Muslims representing only 0.9% of the population, the figures would look horrendous.

You may also want to check out the list of foiled attacks.
[url]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unsuccessful_terrorist_plots_in_the_United
_States_post-9/11[/url]


And yet still if we stopped pretending terrorism was somehow worse than any other violent crime - and factored into the mix *ALL* violent crime in the US - the Islamists wouldn't even be a blip on the radar - and thats including 9/11.


Crime is crime.
Terrorism is trying to change society with violence.
It's different. Very very different.

If Malala Yousafzai was shot in the head in a robbery is it the same as her being shot in the head and warning other girls not to go to school?


Its highly debatable to claim that all or even most of the so called "Islamist terrorists" were actually motivated by a desire to change society. If a psychological analysis was conducted on all those terrorists, In many if not most cases, I'd bet you'd end up finding the same psychological issues that led regular non-terrorist murderers to kill. And especially in this day and age of 'lone wolf' terrorists - where you have dropouts with all the typical issues like self-esteem, sexual inadequacy, can't get a girlfriend, shame over being closet gays etc etc - which drives them to kill, and then shout "Allahu Akbar" while they do it more or less as an afterthought. Yet dare suggest that perhaps Islam wasn't the cause of it all - and you best duck for cover.



The Orlando shooting being a classic example of this.


Exactly. And then there's the Nice truck driver - described as "a young man completely uninvolved in religious issues and not a practising Muslim, who ate pork, drank alcohol, took drugs and had an unbridled sex life"
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Reply #91 - Mar 17th, 2017 at 6:31pm
 
mothra wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 6:27pm:
gandalf wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 6:20pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 6:02pm:
gandalf wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:54pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:48pm:
gandalf wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:38pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:13pm:
cods wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:11pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:55pm:
cods wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:42pm:
I think there has been as much Christian bashing as Muslim bashing on this thread..


thats what I mean about a "common goal"...

we just will never find it..


Not even close. The only person who has come close to bashing Christianity is Bigol, and he bashes everyone.

The rest of us have been clear the target of our concern is terrorism, whomsoever commits it.



there are many reasons given here  that claim more terrorist acts are claimed by Christian groups than muslims groups...

almost triumphantly Roll Eyes Roll Eyes... so to speak..

divide and fall... sure as hell we wont find an answer this way..


anyway I am out of here..

I have no interest in america and all its issues.. let them worry about them... not for me...


Nobody has claimed that.

The claim is that there are more extreme right-wing terrorist attacks than Islamist terrorist attacks in the US.

Christian terrorism is a part of that.


To be fair though, the "extreme right-wing" demographic is a lot broader and larger than the demographic responsible for Islamist attacks. One would expect them to commit a larger number of attacks - and moreover they constitute a far broader spectrum of terrorists - pro-lifers, anti-government militias, ku klux clan style racists etc etc...

Its probably not really accurate to lump them all into the one basket and say 'this is a single group of extremists' - and claim they are exactly equivalent to the very specific category of Islamist extremists. They aren't. And I would say exactly the same thing if people lumped say Islamic State inspired terrorists with terrorists who are Palestinian nationalists - just because they are both (nominally) muslim.


Gandalf if you took the list of terrorist attacks in USA since 9/11 and factored in Muslims representing only 0.9% of the population, the figures would look horrendous.

You may also want to check out the list of foiled attacks.
[url]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unsuccessful_terrorist_plots_in_the_United
_States_post-9/11[/url]


And yet still if we stopped pretending terrorism was somehow worse than any other violent crime - and factored into the mix *ALL* violent crime in the US - the Islamists wouldn't even be a blip on the radar - and thats including 9/11.


Crime is crime.
Terrorism is trying to change society with violence.
It's different. Very very different.

If Malala Yousafzai was shot in the head in a robbery is it the same as her being shot in the head and warning other girls not to go to school?


Its highly debatable to claim that all or even most of the so called "Islamist terrorists" were actually motivated by a desire to change society. If a psychological analysis was conducted on all those terrorists, In many if not most cases, I'd bet you'd end up finding the same psychological issues that led regular non-terrorist murderers to kill. And especially in this day and age of 'lone wolf' terrorists - where you have dropouts with all the typical issues like self-esteem, sexual inadequacy, can't get a girlfriend, shame over being closet gays etc etc - which drives them to kill, and then shout "Allahu Akbar" while they do it more or less as an afterthought. Yet dare suggest that perhaps Islam wasn't the cause of it all - and you best duck for cover.



The Orlando shooting being a classic example of this.
So does this apply to white racists with low esteem or just Muslims?
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Reply #92 - Mar 17th, 2017 at 6:32pm
 
gandalf wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 6:30pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 6:27pm:
gandalf wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 6:20pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 6:02pm:
gandalf wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:54pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:48pm:
gandalf wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:38pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:13pm:
cods wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:11pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:55pm:
cods wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:42pm:
I think there has been as much Christian bashing as Muslim bashing on this thread..


thats what I mean about a "common goal"...

we just will never find it..


Not even close. The only person who has come close to bashing Christianity is Bigol, and he bashes everyone.

The rest of us have been clear the target of our concern is terrorism, whomsoever commits it.



there are many reasons given here  that claim more terrorist acts are claimed by Christian groups than muslims groups...

almost triumphantly Roll Eyes Roll Eyes... so to speak..

divide and fall... sure as hell we wont find an answer this way..


anyway I am out of here..

I have no interest in america and all its issues.. let them worry about them... not for me...


Nobody has claimed that.

The claim is that there are more extreme right-wing terrorist attacks than Islamist terrorist attacks in the US.

Christian terrorism is a part of that.


To be fair though, the "extreme right-wing" demographic is a lot broader and larger than the demographic responsible for Islamist attacks. One would expect them to commit a larger number of attacks - and moreover they constitute a far broader spectrum of terrorists - pro-lifers, anti-government militias, ku klux clan style racists etc etc...

Its probably not really accurate to lump them all into the one basket and say 'this is a single group of extremists' - and claim they are exactly equivalent to the very specific category of Islamist extremists. They aren't. And I would say exactly the same thing if people lumped say Islamic State inspired terrorists with terrorists who are Palestinian nationalists - just because they are both (nominally) muslim.


Gandalf if you took the list of terrorist attacks in USA since 9/11 and factored in Muslims representing only 0.9% of the population, the figures would look horrendous.

You may also want to check out the list of foiled attacks.
[url]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unsuccessful_terrorist_plots_in_the_United
_States_post-9/11[/url]


And yet still if we stopped pretending terrorism was somehow worse than any other violent crime - and factored into the mix *ALL* violent crime in the US - the Islamists wouldn't even be a blip on the radar - and thats including 9/11.


Crime is crime.
Terrorism is trying to change society with violence.
It's different. Very very different.

If Malala Yousafzai was shot in the head in a robbery is it the same as her being shot in the head and warning other girls not to go to school?


Its highly debatable to claim that all or even most of the so called "Islamist terrorists" were actually motivated by a desire to change society. If a psychological analysis was conducted on all those terrorists, In many if not most cases, I'd bet you'd end up finding the same psychological issues that led regular non-terrorist murderers to kill. And especially in this day and age of 'lone wolf' terrorists - where you have dropouts with all the typical issues like self-esteem, sexual inadequacy, can't get a girlfriend, shame over being closet gays etc etc - which drives them to kill, and then shout "Allahu Akbar" while they do it more or less as an afterthought. Yet dare suggest that perhaps Islam wasn't the cause of it all - and you best duck for cover.



The Orlando shooting being a classic example of this.


Exactly. And then there's the Nice truck driver - described as "a young man completely uninvolved in religious issues and not a practising Muslim, who ate pork, drank alcohol, took drugs and had an unbridled sex life"
who also happened to love ISIS propaganda and conversing with other ISIS nutjobs.
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Reply #93 - Mar 17th, 2017 at 6:33pm
 
Gordon wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 6:26pm:
Excerpt from I AM MALALA
The Girl Who Stood Up for Education
and was Shot by the Taliban

Malala Yousafzai

I thought if anyone attacked me it would be on those steps. Like my father I’ve always been a daydreamer, and sometimes in lessons my mind would drift and I’d imagine that on the way home a terrorist might jump out and shoot me on those steps.


If Malala herself refers to it as terrorism, i will also, out of respect for her.
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Reply #94 - Mar 17th, 2017 at 6:35pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 6:28pm:
gandalf wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 6:20pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 6:02pm:
gandalf wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:54pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:48pm:
gandalf wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:38pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:13pm:
cods wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:11pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:55pm:
cods wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:42pm:
I think there has been as much Christian bashing as Muslim bashing on this thread..


thats what I mean about a "common goal"...

we just will never find it..


Not even close. The only person who has come close to bashing Christianity is Bigol, and he bashes everyone.

The rest of us have been clear the target of our concern is terrorism, whomsoever commits it.



there are many reasons given here  that claim more terrorist acts are claimed by Christian groups than muslims groups...

almost triumphantly Roll Eyes Roll Eyes... so to speak..

divide and fall... sure as hell we wont find an answer this way..


anyway I am out of here..

I have no interest in america and all its issues.. let them worry about them... not for me...


Nobody has claimed that.

The claim is that there are more extreme right-wing terrorist attacks than Islamist terrorist attacks in the US.

Christian terrorism is a part of that.


To be fair though, the "extreme right-wing" demographic is a lot broader and larger than the demographic responsible for Islamist attacks. One would expect them to commit a larger number of attacks - and moreover they constitute a far broader spectrum of terrorists - pro-lifers, anti-government militias, ku klux clan style racists etc etc...

Its probably not really accurate to lump them all into the one basket and say 'this is a single group of extremists' - and claim they are exactly equivalent to the very specific category of Islamist extremists. They aren't. And I would say exactly the same thing if people lumped say Islamic State inspired terrorists with terrorists who are Palestinian nationalists - just because they are both (nominally) muslim.


Gandalf if you took the list of terrorist attacks in USA since 9/11 and factored in Muslims representing only 0.9% of the population, the figures would look horrendous.

You may also want to check out the list of foiled attacks.
[url]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unsuccessful_terrorist_plots_in_the_United
_States_post-9/11[/url]


And yet still if we stopped pretending terrorism was somehow worse than any other violent crime - and factored into the mix *ALL* violent crime in the US - the Islamists wouldn't even be a blip on the radar - and thats including 9/11.


Crime is crime.
Terrorism is trying to change society with violence.
It's different. Very very different.

If Malala Yousafzai was shot in the head in a robbery is it the same as her being shot in the head and warning other girls not to go to school?


Its highly debatable to claim that all or even most of the so called "Islamist terrorists" were actually motivated by a desire to change society. If a psychological analysis was conducted on all those terrorists, In many if not most cases, I'd bet you'd end up finding the same psychological issues that led regular non-terrorist murderers to kill. And especially in this day and age of 'lone wolf' terrorists - where you have dropouts with all the typical issues like self-esteem, sexual inadequacy, can't get a girlfriend, shame over being closet gays etc etc - which drives them to kill, and then shout "Allahu Akbar" while they do it more or less as an afterthought. Yet dare suggest that perhaps Islam wasn't the cause of it all - and you best duck for cover.
So why aren't Buddhists killing people of other religions all over the world then?



They are:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism_and_violence
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Reply #95 - Mar 17th, 2017 at 6:35pm
 
mothra wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 6:33pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 6:26pm:
Excerpt from I AM MALALA
The Girl Who Stood Up for Education
and was Shot by the Taliban

Malala Yousafzai

I thought if anyone attacked me it would be on those steps. Like my father I’ve always been a daydreamer, and sometimes in lessons my mind would drift and I’d imagine that on the way home a terrorist might jump out and shoot me on those steps.


If Malala herself refers to it as terrorism, i will also, out of respect for her.
That's a sneaky strategy to back away from being wrong in the first place. Even the girl disagreed with you. You had no choice. dumbass.
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Reply #96 - Mar 17th, 2017 at 6:38pm
 
mothra wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 6:35pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 6:28pm:
gandalf wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 6:20pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 6:02pm:
gandalf wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:54pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:48pm:
gandalf wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:38pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:13pm:
cods wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:11pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:55pm:
cods wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:42pm:
I think there has been as much Christian bashing as Muslim bashing on this thread..


thats what I mean about a "common goal"...

we just will never find it..


Not even close. The only person who has come close to bashing Christianity is Bigol, and he bashes everyone.

The rest of us have been clear the target of our concern is terrorism, whomsoever commits it.



there are many reasons given here  that claim more terrorist acts are claimed by Christian groups than muslims groups...

almost triumphantly Roll Eyes Roll Eyes... so to speak..

divide and fall... sure as hell we wont find an answer this way..


anyway I am out of here..

I have no interest in america and all its issues.. let them worry about them... not for me...


Nobody has claimed that.

The claim is that there are more extreme right-wing terrorist attacks than Islamist terrorist attacks in the US.

Christian terrorism is a part of that.


To be fair though, the "extreme right-wing" demographic is a lot broader and larger than the demographic responsible for Islamist attacks. One would expect them to commit a larger number of attacks - and moreover they constitute a far broader spectrum of terrorists - pro-lifers, anti-government militias, ku klux clan style racists etc etc...

Its probably not really accurate to lump them all into the one basket and say 'this is a single group of extremists' - and claim they are exactly equivalent to the very specific category of Islamist extremists. They aren't. And I would say exactly the same thing if people lumped say Islamic State inspired terrorists with terrorists who are Palestinian nationalists - just because they are both (nominally) muslim.


Gandalf if you took the list of terrorist attacks in USA since 9/11 and factored in Muslims representing only 0.9% of the population, the figures would look horrendous.

You may also want to check out the list of foiled attacks.
[url]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unsuccessful_terrorist_plots_in_the_United
_States_post-9/11[/url]


And yet still if we stopped pretending terrorism was somehow worse than any other violent crime - and factored into the mix *ALL* violent crime in the US - the Islamists wouldn't even be a blip on the radar - and thats including 9/11.


Crime is crime.
Terrorism is trying to change society with violence.
It's different. Very very different.

If Malala Yousafzai was shot in the head in a robbery is it the same as her being shot in the head and warning other girls not to go to school?


Its highly debatable to claim that all or even most of the so called "Islamist terrorists" were actually motivated by a desire to change society. If a psychological analysis was conducted on all those terrorists, In many if not most cases, I'd bet you'd end up finding the same psychological issues that led regular non-terrorist murderers to kill. And especially in this day and age of 'lone wolf' terrorists - where you have dropouts with all the typical issues like self-esteem, sexual inadequacy, can't get a girlfriend, shame over being closet gays etc etc - which drives them to kill, and then shout "Allahu Akbar" while they do it more or less as an afterthought. Yet dare suggest that perhaps Islam wasn't the cause of it all - and you best duck for cover.
So why aren't Buddhists killing people of other religions all over the world then?



They are:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism_and_violence

All over the world did you say???? Haven't heard of them running people over, shooting and setting off bombs in the US or Europe for instance.
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Reply #97 - Mar 17th, 2017 at 6:40pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 6:31pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 6:27pm:
gandalf wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 6:20pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 6:02pm:
gandalf wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:54pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:48pm:
gandalf wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:38pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:13pm:
cods wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:11pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:55pm:
cods wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:42pm:
I think there has been as much Christian bashing as Muslim bashing on this thread..


thats what I mean about a "common goal"...

we just will never find it..


Not even close. The only person who has come close to bashing Christianity is Bigol, and he bashes everyone.

The rest of us have been clear the target of our concern is terrorism, whomsoever commits it.



there are many reasons given here  that claim more terrorist acts are claimed by Christian groups than muslims groups...

almost triumphantly Roll Eyes Roll Eyes... so to speak..

divide and fall... sure as hell we wont find an answer this way..


anyway I am out of here..

I have no interest in america and all its issues.. let them worry about them... not for me...


Nobody has claimed that.

The claim is that there are more extreme right-wing terrorist attacks than Islamist terrorist attacks in the US.

Christian terrorism is a part of that.


To be fair though, the "extreme right-wing" demographic is a lot broader and larger than the demographic responsible for Islamist attacks. One would expect them to commit a larger number of attacks - and moreover they constitute a far broader spectrum of terrorists - pro-lifers, anti-government militias, ku klux clan style racists etc etc...

Its probably not really accurate to lump them all into the one basket and say 'this is a single group of extremists' - and claim they are exactly equivalent to the very specific category of Islamist extremists. They aren't. And I would say exactly the same thing if people lumped say Islamic State inspired terrorists with terrorists who are Palestinian nationalists - just because they are both (nominally) muslim.


Gandalf if you took the list of terrorist attacks in USA since 9/11 and factored in Muslims representing only 0.9% of the population, the figures would look horrendous.

You may also want to check out the list of foiled attacks.
[url]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unsuccessful_terrorist_plots_in_the_United
_States_post-9/11[/url]


And yet still if we stopped pretending terrorism was somehow worse than any other violent crime - and factored into the mix *ALL* violent crime in the US - the Islamists wouldn't even be a blip on the radar - and thats including 9/11.


Crime is crime.
Terrorism is trying to change society with violence.
It's different. Very very different.

If Malala Yousafzai was shot in the head in a robbery is it the same as her being shot in the head and warning other girls not to go to school?


Its highly debatable to claim that all or even most of the so called "Islamist terrorists" were actually motivated by a desire to change society. If a psychological analysis was conducted on all those terrorists, In many if not most cases, I'd bet you'd end up finding the same psychological issues that led regular non-terrorist murderers to kill. And especially in this day and age of 'lone wolf' terrorists - where you have dropouts with all the typical issues like self-esteem, sexual inadequacy, can't get a girlfriend, shame over being closet gays etc etc - which drives them to kill, and then shout "Allahu Akbar" while they do it more or less as an afterthought. Yet dare suggest that perhaps Islam wasn't the cause of it all - and you best duck for cover.



The Orlando shooting being a classic example of this.
So does this apply to white racists with low esteem or just Muslims?



Perhaps it' an argument to, as Gandalf suggests, stop diffrentiating terrorism from other acts of violence.
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Reply #98 - Mar 17th, 2017 at 6:41pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 6:31pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 6:27pm:
gandalf wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 6:20pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 6:02pm:
gandalf wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:54pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:48pm:
gandalf wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:38pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:13pm:
cods wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:11pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:55pm:
cods wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:42pm:
I think there has been as much Christian bashing as Muslim bashing on this thread..


thats what I mean about a "common goal"...

we just will never find it..


Not even close. The only person who has come close to bashing Christianity is Bigol, and he bashes everyone.

The rest of us have been clear the target of our concern is terrorism, whomsoever commits it.



there are many reasons given here  that claim more terrorist acts are claimed by Christian groups than muslims groups...

almost triumphantly Roll Eyes Roll Eyes... so to speak..

divide and fall... sure as hell we wont find an answer this way..


anyway I am out of here..

I have no interest in america and all its issues.. let them worry about them... not for me...


Nobody has claimed that.

The claim is that there are more extreme right-wing terrorist attacks than Islamist terrorist attacks in the US.

Christian terrorism is a part of that.


To be fair though, the "extreme right-wing" demographic is a lot broader and larger than the demographic responsible for Islamist attacks. One would expect them to commit a larger number of attacks - and moreover they constitute a far broader spectrum of terrorists - pro-lifers, anti-government militias, ku klux clan style racists etc etc...

Its probably not really accurate to lump them all into the one basket and say 'this is a single group of extremists' - and claim they are exactly equivalent to the very specific category of Islamist extremists. They aren't. And I would say exactly the same thing if people lumped say Islamic State inspired terrorists with terrorists who are Palestinian nationalists - just because they are both (nominally) muslim.


Gandalf if you took the list of terrorist attacks in USA since 9/11 and factored in Muslims representing only 0.9% of the population, the figures would look horrendous.

You may also want to check out the list of foiled attacks.
[url]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unsuccessful_terrorist_plots_in_the_United
_States_post-9/11[/url]


And yet still if we stopped pretending terrorism was somehow worse than any other violent crime - and factored into the mix *ALL* violent crime in the US - the Islamists wouldn't even be a blip on the radar - and thats including 9/11.


Crime is crime.
Terrorism is trying to change society with violence.
It's different. Very very different.

If Malala Yousafzai was shot in the head in a robbery is it the same as her being shot in the head and warning other girls not to go to school?


Its highly debatable to claim that all or even most of the so called "Islamist terrorists" were actually motivated by a desire to change society. If a psychological analysis was conducted on all those terrorists, In many if not most cases, I'd bet you'd end up finding the same psychological issues that led regular non-terrorist murderers to kill. And especially in this day and age of 'lone wolf' terrorists - where you have dropouts with all the typical issues like self-esteem, sexual inadequacy, can't get a girlfriend, shame over being closet gays etc etc - which drives them to kill, and then shout "Allahu Akbar" while they do it more or less as an afterthought. Yet dare suggest that perhaps Islam wasn't the cause of it all - and you best duck for cover.



The Orlando shooting being a classic example of this.
So does this apply to white racists with low esteem or just Muslims?


Apparently opinion is divided as to whether or not Dylann Roof is considered a terrorist - but if he is, then I would certainly put him in the same "loser trying to compensate" category.

Of course there are, what I would term "conviction terrorists" - the true believers if you will, on both sides. Anders Brievik springs to mind, as does Muhammad Atta of 9/11 fame. But they seem to be the exception. Of course I'm not talking about the organisations that recruit the terrorists - but as far as the actual footsoldiers go, more often than not they seem to be dumb schmucks either looking for an easy way out (and that includes the 'lone wolfs'), or have the psychological profile to be susceptible to recruitment.
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Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 6:38pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 6:35pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 6:28pm:
gandalf wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 6:20pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 6:02pm:
gandalf wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:54pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:48pm:
gandalf wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:38pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:13pm:
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mothra wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:55pm:
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I think there has been as much Christian bashing as Muslim bashing on this thread..


thats what I mean about a "common goal"...

we just will never find it..


Not even close. The only person who has come close to bashing Christianity is Bigol, and he bashes everyone.

The rest of us have been clear the target of our concern is terrorism, whomsoever commits it.



there are many reasons given here  that claim more terrorist acts are claimed by Christian groups than muslims groups...

almost triumphantly Roll Eyes Roll Eyes... so to speak..

divide and fall... sure as hell we wont find an answer this way..


anyway I am out of here..

I have no interest in america and all its issues.. let them worry about them... not for me...


Nobody has claimed that.

The claim is that there are more extreme right-wing terrorist attacks than Islamist terrorist attacks in the US.

Christian terrorism is a part of that.


To be fair though, the "extreme right-wing" demographic is a lot broader and larger than the demographic responsible for Islamist attacks. One would expect them to commit a larger number of attacks - and moreover they constitute a far broader spectrum of terrorists - pro-lifers, anti-government militias, ku klux clan style racists etc etc...

Its probably not really accurate to lump them all into the one basket and say 'this is a single group of extremists' - and claim they are exactly equivalent to the very specific category of Islamist extremists. They aren't. And I would say exactly the same thing if people lumped say Islamic State inspired terrorists with terrorists who are Palestinian nationalists - just because they are both (nominally) muslim.


Gandalf if you took the list of terrorist attacks in USA since 9/11 and factored in Muslims representing only 0.9% of the population, the figures would look horrendous.

You may also want to check out the list of foiled attacks.
[url]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unsuccessful_terrorist_plots_in_the_United
_States_post-9/11[/url]


And yet still if we stopped pretending terrorism was somehow worse than any other violent crime - and factored into the mix *ALL* violent crime in the US - the Islamists wouldn't even be a blip on the radar - and thats including 9/11.


Crime is crime.
Terrorism is trying to change society with violence.
It's different. Very very different.

If Malala Yousafzai was shot in the head in a robbery is it the same as her being shot in the head and warning other girls not to go to school?


Its highly debatable to claim that all or even most of the so called "Islamist terrorists" were actually motivated by a desire to change society. If a psychological analysis was conducted on all those terrorists, In many if not most cases, I'd bet you'd end up finding the same psychological issues that led regular non-terrorist murderers to kill. And especially in this day and age of 'lone wolf' terrorists - where you have dropouts with all the typical issues like self-esteem, sexual inadequacy, can't get a girlfriend, shame over being closet gays etc etc - which drives them to kill, and then shout "Allahu Akbar" while they do it more or less as an afterthought. Yet dare suggest that perhaps Islam wasn't the cause of it all - and you best duck for cover.
So why aren't Buddhists killing people of other religions all over the world then?



They are:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism_and_violence

All over the world did you say???? Haven't heard of them running people over, shooting and setting off bombs in the US or Europe for instance.


I know you think you have a point, but you really don't.
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gandalf wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 6:41pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 6:31pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 6:27pm:
gandalf wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 6:20pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 6:02pm:
gandalf wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:54pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:48pm:
gandalf wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:38pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:13pm:
cods wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:11pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:55pm:
cods wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:42pm:
I think there has been as much Christian bashing as Muslim bashing on this thread..


thats what I mean about a "common goal"...

we just will never find it..


Not even close. The only person who has come close to bashing Christianity is Bigol, and he bashes everyone.

The rest of us have been clear the target of our concern is terrorism, whomsoever commits it.



there are many reasons given here  that claim more terrorist acts are claimed by Christian groups than muslims groups...

almost triumphantly Roll Eyes Roll Eyes... so to speak..

divide and fall... sure as hell we wont find an answer this way..


anyway I am out of here..

I have no interest in america and all its issues.. let them worry about them... not for me...


Nobody has claimed that.

The claim is that there are more extreme right-wing terrorist attacks than Islamist terrorist attacks in the US.

Christian terrorism is a part of that.


To be fair though, the "extreme right-wing" demographic is a lot broader and larger than the demographic responsible for Islamist attacks. One would expect them to commit a larger number of attacks - and moreover they constitute a far broader spectrum of terrorists - pro-lifers, anti-government militias, ku klux clan style racists etc etc...

Its probably not really accurate to lump them all into the one basket and say 'this is a single group of extremists' - and claim they are exactly equivalent to the very specific category of Islamist extremists. They aren't. And I would say exactly the same thing if people lumped say Islamic State inspired terrorists with terrorists who are Palestinian nationalists - just because they are both (nominally) muslim.


Gandalf if you took the list of terrorist attacks in USA since 9/11 and factored in Muslims representing only 0.9% of the population, the figures would look horrendous.

You may also want to check out the list of foiled attacks.
[url]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unsuccessful_terrorist_plots_in_the_United
_States_post-9/11[/url]


And yet still if we stopped pretending terrorism was somehow worse than any other violent crime - and factored into the mix *ALL* violent crime in the US - the Islamists wouldn't even be a blip on the radar - and thats including 9/11.


Crime is crime.
Terrorism is trying to change society with violence.
It's different. Very very different.

If Malala Yousafzai was shot in the head in a robbery is it the same as her being shot in the head and warning other girls not to go to school?


Its highly debatable to claim that all or even most of the so called "Islamist terrorists" were actually motivated by a desire to change society. If a psychological analysis was conducted on all those terrorists, In many if not most cases, I'd bet you'd end up finding the same psychological issues that led regular non-terrorist murderers to kill. And especially in this day and age of 'lone wolf' terrorists - where you have dropouts with all the typical issues like self-esteem, sexual inadequacy, can't get a girlfriend, shame over being closet gays etc etc - which drives them to kill, and then shout "Allahu Akbar" while they do it more or less as an afterthought. Yet dare suggest that perhaps Islam wasn't the cause of it all - and you best duck for cover.



The Orlando shooting being a classic example of this.
So does this apply to white racists with low esteem or just Muslims?


Apparently opinion is divided as to whether or not Dylann Roof is considered a terrorist - but if he is, then I would certainly put him in the same "loser trying to compensate" category.

Of course there are, what I would term "conviction terrorists" - the true believers if you will, on both sides. Anders Brievik springs to mind, as does Muhammad Atta of 9/11 fame. But they seem to be the exception. Of course I'm not talking about the organisations that recruit the terrorists - but as far as the actual footsoldiers go, more often than not they seem to be dumb schmucks either looking for an easy way out (and that includes the 'lone wolfs'), or have the psychological profile to be susceptible to recruitment.
So would it be fair to say that say religion or personal political ideology is pushing fractured minds that little extra into doing mass murder. Say a fiery  religion of sorts?
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Excerpt from I AM MALALA
The Girl Who Stood Up for Education
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Malala Yousafzai

I thought if anyone attacked me it would be on those steps. Like my father I’ve always been a daydreamer, and sometimes in lessons my mind would drift and I’d imagine that on the way home a terrorist might jump out and shoot me on those steps.


If Malala herself refers to it as terrorism, i will also, out of respect for her.


Buy the book. I did

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That's sourced from the Anti-Defamation League.

In other words, this pie-chart shows nothing more than complaints phoned in that somebody called them a 'N     er' ... or a 'Wop' ... etc. 'Verbal terrorism'.

Case dismissed.

You'll have to come up with something better than that.

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The apologists will clutch and any straw, no matter how fragile.

Make a tenuous connection no matter how thin.

Make vague comparisons no matter how obtuse.

Simply to apologize for a;
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Guess what?

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Simply to apologize for a;
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That's sourced from the Anti-Defamation League.

In other words, this pie-chart shows nothing more than complaints phoned in that somebody called them a 'N     er' ... or a 'Wop' ... etc. 'Verbal terrorism'.

Case dismissed.

You'll have to come up with something better than that.



Don't shoot the messenger, Herbie.

As for something better than that, already have. Didn't you read the OP?
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Valkie wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 7:39pm:
The apologists will clutch and any straw, no matter how fragile.

Make a tenuous connection no matter how thin.

Make vague comparisons no matter how obtuse.

Simply to apologize for a;
Brutal
Primitive
Fanatical
Pedophile infested.
Twisted
Sick
Barbaric and disgusting
CULT

Guess what?

History will show this CULT for what it is........eventually.
When the world finally wakes up.

And the world is currently very restless in its slumber.


Nothing fragile or tenuous about it.

Right wing extremists commit more acts of terrorism in the US than do Islamists.

By some considerable way.

"Between 1990 and 2014, the ECDB has identified 38 homicide events motivated by Islamist extremism that killed 62 people. When you include 9/11, those numbers jump dramatically to 39 homicide events and 3,058 killed.

The database also identified 177 homicide events motivated by far-right extremism, with 245 killed. And when you include the Oklahoma City bombing, it rises to 178 homicide events and 413 killed."

These data reveal that far-right extremists tend to be more active in committing homicides, yet Islamist extremists tend to be more deadly."

[url]https://theconversation.com/threats-of-violent-islamist-and-far-right-extremism-
what-does-the-research-say-72781
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Non-Muslims Carried Out More than 90% of All Terrorist Attacks in America



So we decided to look at the most current statistics for ourselves, to do an objective numerical count not driven by any agenda.

Specifically, we reviewed all of the terrorist attacks on U.S. soil as documented by the National Consortium for the Study of Terrorism and Responses to Terrorism (START). (2012). Global Terrorism Database, as retrieved from http://www.start.umd.edu/gtd.

The START Global Terrorism Database spans from 1970 through 2012 (and will be updated from year-to-year), and – as of this writing – includes 104,000 terrorist incidents.  As such, it is the most comprehensive open-source database open to the public.

We counted up the number of terrorist attacks carried out by Muslims.  We excluded attacks by groups which are obviously not Muslims, such as the Ku Klux Klan, Medellin Drug Cartel, Irish Republican Army, Anti-Castro Group, Mormon extremists, Vietnamese Organization to Exterminate Communists and Restore the Nation, Jewish Defense League, May 19 Communist Order, Chicano Liberation Front, Jewish Armed Resistance, American Indian Movement, Gay Liberation Front, Aryan Nation, Jewish Action Movement, National Front for the Liberation of Cuba, or Fourth Reich Skinheads.

We counted attacks by Al Qaeda, the Taliban, Black American Moslems, or anyone who even remotely sounded Muslim … for example anyone from Palestine, Lebanon or any other Arab or Muslim country, or any name including anything sounding remotely Arabic or Indonesian (like “Al” anything or “Jamaat” anything).

If we weren’t sure what the person’s affiliation was, we looked up the name of the group to determine whether it could in any way be connected to Muslims.

Based on our review of the approximately 2,400 terrorist attacks on U.S. soil contained within the START database, we determined that approximately 60 were carried out by Muslims.

In other words, approximately 2.5% of all terrorist attacks on U.S. soil between 1970 and 2012 were carried out by Muslims.*  This is a tiny proportion of all attacks.


http://www.globalresearch.ca/non-muslims-carried-out-more-than-90-of-all-terrori...
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Did you buy the book yet,  Mothra?
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Non-Muslims Carried Out More than 90% of All Terrorist Attacks in America



So we decided to look at the most current statistics for ourselves, to do an objective numerical count not driven by any agenda.

Specifically, we reviewed all of the terrorist attacks on U.S. soil as documented by the National Consortium for the Study of Terrorism and Responses to Terrorism (START). (2012). Global Terrorism Database, as retrieved from http://www.start.umd.edu/gtd.

The START Global Terrorism Database spans from 1970 through 2012 (and will be updated from year-to-year), and – as of this writing – includes 104,000 terrorist incidents.  As such, it is the most comprehensive open-source database open to the public.

We counted up the number of terrorist attacks carried out by Muslims.  We excluded attacks by groups which are obviously not Muslims, such as the Ku Klux Klan, Medellin Drug Cartel, Irish Republican Army, Anti-Castro Group, Mormon extremists, Vietnamese Organization to Exterminate Communists and Restore the Nation, Jewish Defense League, May 19 Communist Order, Chicano Liberation Front, Jewish Armed Resistance, American Indian Movement, Gay Liberation Front, Aryan Nation, Jewish Action Movement, National Front for the Liberation of Cuba, or Fourth Reich Skinheads.

We counted attacks by Al Qaeda, the Taliban, Black American Moslems, or anyone who even remotely sounded Muslim … for example anyone from Palestine, Lebanon or any other Arab or Muslim country, or any name including anything sounding remotely Arabic or Indonesian (like “Al” anything or “Jamaat” anything).

If we weren’t sure what the person’s affiliation was, we looked up the name of the group to determine whether it could in any way be connected to Muslims.

Based on our review of the approximately 2,400 terrorist attacks on U.S. soil contained within the START database, we determined that approximately 60 were carried out by Muslims.

In other words, approximately 2.5% of all terrorist attacks on U.S. soil between 1970 and 2012 were carried out by Muslims.*  This is a tiny proportion of all attacks.


http://www.globalresearch.ca/non-muslims-carried-out-more-than-90-of-all-terrori...


Mothra do you think the threat of terrorism is adequately capture by statistics that equate a graffiti 'attack' with 9/11?
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mothra wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 8:16pm:
Non-Muslims Carried Out More than 90% of All Terrorist Attacks in America



So we decided to look at the most current statistics for ourselves, to do an objective numerical count not driven by any agenda.

Specifically, we reviewed all of the terrorist attacks on U.S. soil as documented by the National Consortium for the Study of Terrorism and Responses to Terrorism (START). (2012). Global Terrorism Database, as retrieved from http://www.start.umd.edu/gtd.

The START Global Terrorism Database spans from 1970 through 2012 (and will be updated from year-to-year), and – as of this writing – includes 104,000 terrorist incidents.  As such, it is the most comprehensive open-source database open to the public.

We counted up the number of terrorist attacks carried out by Muslims.  We excluded attacks by groups which are obviously not Muslims, such as the Ku Klux Klan, Medellin Drug Cartel, Irish Republican Army, Anti-Castro Group, Mormon extremists, Vietnamese Organization to Exterminate Communists and Restore the Nation, Jewish Defense League, May 19 Communist Order, Chicano Liberation Front, Jewish Armed Resistance, American Indian Movement, Gay Liberation Front, Aryan Nation, Jewish Action Movement, National Front for the Liberation of Cuba, or Fourth Reich Skinheads.

We counted attacks by Al Qaeda, the Taliban, Black American Moslems, or anyone who even remotely sounded Muslim … for example anyone from Palestine, Lebanon or any other Arab or Muslim country, or any name including anything sounding remotely Arabic or Indonesian (like “Al” anything or “Jamaat” anything).

If we weren’t sure what the person’s affiliation was, we looked up the name of the group to determine whether it could in any way be connected to Muslims.

Based on our review of the approximately 2,400 terrorist attacks on U.S. soil contained within the START database, we determined that approximately 60 were carried out by Muslims.

In other words, approximately 2.5% of all terrorist attacks on U.S. soil between 1970 and 2012 were carried out by Muslims.*  This is a tiny proportion of all attacks.


http://www.globalresearch.ca/non-muslims-carried-out-more-than-90-of-all-terrori...


Mothra do you think the threat of terrorism is adequately capture by statistics that equate a graffiti 'attack' with 9/11?



Is that the best you've got?

Poor FD. Wrong before the counter-arguent hits him.


"In a 2015 New York Times article, University of North Carolina Professor Charles Kurzman and Duke Professor David Schanzer found that Islam-inspired terror attacks accounted for 50 deaths since 9/11, but that “right-wing extremists averaged 337 attacks per year in the decade after 9/11, causing a total of 254 fatalities.”

https://thinkprogress.org/trump-false-claim-foreign-born-domestic-attacks-54e99b...
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deaths
since 9/11, but that “right-wing extremists averaged 337
attacks
per year in the decade after 9/11, causing a total of 254 fatalities.”


Do let us know when they catch up to 9/11 Mothra. Hopefully the Muslims don't get their hands on a dirty bomb by then.
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deaths
since 9/11, but that “right-wing extremists averaged 337
attacks
per year in the decade after 9/11, causing a total of 254 fatalities.”


Do let us know when they catch up to 9/11 Mothra. Hopefully the Muslims don't get their hands on a dirty bomb by then.


It's a race all of a sudden?

Here's me thinking it was a simple comparison.


Between 1990 and 2014, the ECDB has identified 38 homicide events motivated by Islamist extremism that killed 62 people. When you include 9/11, those numbers jump dramatically to 39 homicide events and 3,058 killed.

The database also identified 177 homicide events motivated by far-right extremism, with 245 killed. And when you include the Oklahoma City bombing, it rises to 178 homicide events and 413 killed.


https://theconversation.com/threats-of-violent-islamist-and-far-right-extremism-...
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Oh and " the Muslims" right?

What, all of them?iii






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2002.10.03  USA  Montgomery County, MD  5  0  Muslim snipers kill three men and two women in separate attacks over a 15-hour period. 
2002.10.02  USA  Wheaton, MD  1  0  Muslim snipers gun down a program analyst in a store parking lot. 
2002.09.23  USA  Baton Rouge, LA  1  0  A Korean mother is shot in the back by Muslim snipers. 
2002.09.21  USA  Montgomery, AL  1  1  Muslim snipers shoot two women, killing one. 
2002.09.21  USA  Atlanta, GA  1  0  Muslim terrorists gun down an employee at a liquor store. 
2002.07.04  USA  Los Angeles, CA  2  0  Muslim man pulls out a gun at the counter of an Israeli airline and kills two people. 
2002.05.27  USA  Denton, TX  1  0  Muslim snipers kill a man as he works in his yard. 
2002.03.19  USA  Tuscon, AZ  1  0  A 60-year-old man is gunned down by Muslim snipers on a golf course. 
2001.09.11  USA  New York, NY  2752  251  Islamic hijackers steer two planes packed with fuel and passengers into the World Trade Center, killing hundreds on impact and eventually killing thousands when the towers collapsed. At least 200 are seriously injured. 
2001.09.11  USA  Washington, DC  184  53  Nearly 200 people are killed when Islamic hijackers steer a plane full of people into the Pentagon. 
2001.09.11  USA  Shanksville, PA  40  0  Forty passengers are killed after Islamic radicals hijack the plane in an attempt to steer it into the U.S. Capitol building. 
2000.03.17  USA  Atlanta, GA  1  1  A local imam and Muslim spiritual leader guns down a deputy sheriff and injures his partner. 
1997.04.03  USA  Lompoc, CA  1  0  A prison guard is stabbed to death by a radical Muslim. 
1997.03.23  USA  New York, NY  1  6  A Palestinian leaves an anti-Jewish suicide note behind and travels to the top of the Empire State building where he shoot seven people in a Fedayeen attack. 
1994.03.01  USA  Brooklyn, NY  1  0  A Muslim gunman targets a van packed with Jewish boys, killing a 16-year-old. 
1993.02.26  USA  New York, NY  6  1040  Islamic terrorists detonate a massive truck bomb under the World Trade Center, killing six people and injuring over 1,000 in an effort to collapse the towers. 
1993.01.25  USA  Langley, VA  2  3  A Pakistani with Mujahideen ties guns down two CIA agents outside of the headquarters. 
1990.11.05  USA  New York City, NY  1  0  An Israeli rabbi is shot to death by a Muslim attacker at a hotel. 
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2014.12.18  USA  Morganton, NC  1  0  A 74-year-old man is shot several times in the head by a 'radicalized' ISIS supporter. 
2014.09.25  USA  Moore, OK  1  1  A Sharia advocate beheads a woman after calling for Islamic terror and posting an Islamist beheading photo. 
2014.06.25  USA  West Orange, NJ  1  0  A 19-year-old college student is shot to death 'in revenge' for Muslim deaths overseas. 
2014.06.01  USA  Seattle, WA  2  0  Two homosexuals are murdered by an Islamic extremist. 
2014.04.27  USA  Skyway, WA  1  0  A 30-year-old man is murdered by a Muslim fanatic. 
2014.03.06  USA  Port Bolivar, TX  2  0  A Muslim man shoots his lesbian daughter and her lover to death and leaves a copy of the Quran open to a page condemning homosexuality. 
2013.08.04  USA  Richmond, CA  1  0  A convert "on a mission from Allah" stabs a store clerk to death. 
2013.04.19  USA  Boston, MA  1  1  Jihadists gun down a university police officer sitting in his car. 
2013.04.15  USA  Boston, MA  3  264  Foreign-born Muslims describing themselves as 'very religious' detonate two bombs packed with ball bearings at the Boston Marathon, killing three people and causing several more to lose limbs. 
2013.03.24  USA  Ashtabula, OH  1  0  A Muslim convert walks into a church service with a Quran and guns down his Christian father while praising Allah. 
2013.02.07  USA  Buena Vista, NJ  2  0  A Muslim targets and beheads two Christian Coptic immigrants. 
2012.11.12  USA  Houston, TX  1  0  A 28-year-old American man is shot to death by a conservative Muslim over an alleged role in converting a woman to Christianity. 
2012.01.15  USA  Houston, TX  1  0  A 30-year-old Christian convert is shot to death by a devout Muslim for helping to convert his daughter. 
2011.09.11  USA  Waltham, MA  3  0  Three Jewish men have their throats slashed by Muslim terrorists. 
2011.04.30  USA  Warren, MI  1  0  A 20-year-old woman is shot in the head by her stepfather for not adhering to Islamic practices. 
2010.04.14  USA  Marquette Park, IL  5  2  After quarrelling with his wife over Islamic dress, a Muslim convert shoots his family members to 'take them back to Allah' and out of the 'world of sinners'. 
2009.12.04  USA  Binghamton, NY  1  0  A non-Muslim Islamic studies professor is stabbed to death by a Muslim grad student in revenge for 'persecuted' Muslims. 
2009.11.05  USA  Ft. Hood, TX  13  31  A Muslim psychiatrist guns down thirteen unarmed soldiers while yelling praises to Allah. 
2009.11.02  USA  Glendale, AZ  1  1  A woman dies from injuries suffered when her father runs her down with a car for being too 'Westernized.' (10-20-09) 
2009.06.01  USA  Little Rock, AR  1  1  A Muslim shoots a local soldier to death inside a recruiting center explicitly in the name of Allah. 
2009.04.12  USA  Phoenix, AZ  2  0  A man shoots his brother-in-law and another man to death after finding out that they visited a strip club, in contradiction to Islamic values. 
2009.02.12  USA  Buffalo, NY  1  0  The founder of a Muslim TV station beheads his wife in the hallway for seeking a divorce. 
2008.07.06  USA  Jonesboro, GA  1  0  A devout Muslim strangles his 25-year-old daughter in an honor killing. 
2008.01.01  USA  Irving, TX  2  0  A Muslim immigrant shoots his two daughters to death on concerns about their 'Western' lifestyle. 
2006.07.28  USA  Seattle, WA  1  5  An 'angry' Muslim-American uses a young girl as hostage to enter a local Jewish center, where he shoots six women, one of whom dies. 
2006.06.25  USA  Denver, CO  1  5  Saying that it was 'Allah's choice', a Muslim shoots four of his co-workers and a police officer. 
2006.06.16  USA  Baltimore, MD  1  0  A 62-year-old Jewish moviegoer is shot to death by a Muslim medical student in an unprovoked terror attack. 
2004.04.15  USA  Scottsville, NY  1  2  In an honor killing, a Muslim father kills his wife and attacks his two daughters with a knife and hammer because he feared that they had been sexually molested. 
2003.08.06  USA  Houston, TX  1  0  After undergoing a 'religious revival', a Saudi college student slashes the throat of a Jewish student with a 4" butterfly knife, nearly decapitating the young man. 
2002.10.22  USA  Aspen Hill, MD  1  0  A bus driver is killed by Muslim snipers. 
2002.10.14  USA  Arlington, VA  1  0  A woman is killed by Muslim snipers in a Home Depot parking lot. 
2002.10.11  USA  Fredericksburg, VA  1  0  Another man is killed by Muslim snipers while pumping gas. 
2002.10.09  USA  Manassas, VA  1  1  A man is killed by Muslim snipers while pumping gas two days after a 13-year-old is wounded by the same team.
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mothra wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 1:55pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 1:54pm:
miam




Finished?

Now cite your source.




Don'y want to say huh?

It's alright Hammer. As Karnal would say, we're all friends here.

No matter how batshit crazy your source is, it's better to cite it.
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From my downloads I have 105 Islamic murders between 1990 and 2014 without 9/11. Add 9/11 that goes up to 3,101.That's not adding the loads of people who have died from the dust when the buildings went down. That's in the hundreds. One of them was 70's singer Donna Summer.
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mothra wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 1:55pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 1:54pm:
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www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks/american-attacks.aspx






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From my downloads I have 105 Islamic murders between 1990 and 2014 without 9/11. Add 9/11 that goes up to 3,101.That's not adding the loads of people who have died from the dust when the buildings went down. That's in the hundreds. One of them was 70's singer Donna Summer.



That's interesting.

When i copy and paste your post into google i get:

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks/american-attacks.aspx

A notoriously disreputable Islamophobic web page.
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mothra wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 9:29am:
freediver wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 9:24am:
mothra wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 8:16pm:
Non-Muslims Carried Out More than 90% of All Terrorist Attacks in America



So we decided to look at the most current statistics for ourselves, to do an objective numerical count not driven by any agenda.

Specifically, we reviewed all of the terrorist attacks on U.S. soil as documented by the National Consortium for the Study of Terrorism and Responses to Terrorism (START). (2012). Global Terrorism Database, as retrieved from http://www.start.umd.edu/gtd.

The START Global Terrorism Database spans from 1970 through 2012 (and will be updated from year-to-year), and – as of this writing – includes 104,000 terrorist incidents.  As such, it is the most comprehensive open-source database open to the public.

We counted up the number of terrorist attacks carried out by Muslims.  We excluded attacks by groups which are obviously not Muslims, such as the Ku Klux Klan, Medellin Drug Cartel, Irish Republican Army, Anti-Castro Group, Mormon extremists, Vietnamese Organization to Exterminate Communists and Restore the Nation, Jewish Defense League, May 19 Communist Order, Chicano Liberation Front, Jewish Armed Resistance, American Indian Movement, Gay Liberation Front, Aryan Nation, Jewish Action Movement, National Front for the Liberation of Cuba, or Fourth Reich Skinheads.

We counted attacks by Al Qaeda, the Taliban, Black American Moslems, or anyone who even remotely sounded Muslim … for example anyone from Palestine, Lebanon or any other Arab or Muslim country, or any name including anything sounding remotely Arabic or Indonesian (like “Al” anything or “Jamaat” anything).

If we weren’t sure what the person’s affiliation was, we looked up the name of the group to determine whether it could in any way be connected to Muslims.

Based on our review of the approximately 2,400 terrorist attacks on U.S. soil contained within the START database, we determined that approximately 60 were carried out by Muslims.

In other words, approximately 2.5% of all terrorist attacks on U.S. soil between 1970 and 2012 were carried out by Muslims.*  This is a tiny proportion of all attacks.


http://www.globalresearch.ca/non-muslims-carried-out-more-than-90-of-all-terrori...


Mothra do you think the threat of terrorism is adequately capture by statistics that equate a graffiti 'attack' with 9/11?



Is that the best you've got?

Poor FD. Wrong before the counter-arguent hits him.


"In a 2015 New York Times article, University of North Carolina Professor Charles Kurzman and Duke Professor David Schanzer found that Islam-inspired terror attacks accounted for 50 deaths since 9/11, but that “right-wing extremists averaged 337 attacks per year in the decade after 9/11, causing a total of 254 fatalities.”

https://thinkprogress.org/trump-false-claim-foreign-born-domestic-attacks-54e99b...


What exactly is wrong with the question? Do you think the threat of terrorism is adequately captured by statistics that equate a graffiti 'attack' with 9/11?
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mothra wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 1:55pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 1:54pm:
miam




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Now cite your source.
www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks/american-attacks.aspx









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freediver wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 2:15pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 9:29am:
freediver wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 9:24am:
mothra wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 8:16pm:
Non-Muslims Carried Out More than 90% of All Terrorist Attacks in America



So we decided to look at the most current statistics for ourselves, to do an objective numerical count not driven by any agenda.

Specifically, we reviewed all of the terrorist attacks on U.S. soil as documented by the National Consortium for the Study of Terrorism and Responses to Terrorism (START). (2012). Global Terrorism Database, as retrieved from http://www.start.umd.edu/gtd.

The START Global Terrorism Database spans from 1970 through 2012 (and will be updated from year-to-year), and – as of this writing – includes 104,000 terrorist incidents.  As such, it is the most comprehensive open-source database open to the public.

We counted up the number of terrorist attacks carried out by Muslims.  We excluded attacks by groups which are obviously not Muslims, such as the Ku Klux Klan, Medellin Drug Cartel, Irish Republican Army, Anti-Castro Group, Mormon extremists, Vietnamese Organization to Exterminate Communists and Restore the Nation, Jewish Defense League, May 19 Communist Order, Chicano Liberation Front, Jewish Armed Resistance, American Indian Movement, Gay Liberation Front, Aryan Nation, Jewish Action Movement, National Front for the Liberation of Cuba, or Fourth Reich Skinheads.

We counted attacks by Al Qaeda, the Taliban, Black American Moslems, or anyone who even remotely sounded Muslim … for example anyone from Palestine, Lebanon or any other Arab or Muslim country, or any name including anything sounding remotely Arabic or Indonesian (like “Al” anything or “Jamaat” anything).

If we weren’t sure what the person’s affiliation was, we looked up the name of the group to determine whether it could in any way be connected to Muslims.

Based on our review of the approximately 2,400 terrorist attacks on U.S. soil contained within the START database, we determined that approximately 60 were carried out by Muslims.

In other words, approximately 2.5% of all terrorist attacks on U.S. soil between 1970 and 2012 were carried out by Muslims.*  This is a tiny proportion of all attacks.


http://www.globalresearch.ca/non-muslims-carried-out-more-than-90-of-all-terrori...


Mothra do you think the threat of terrorism is adequately capture by statistics that equate a graffiti 'attack' with 9/11?



Is that the best you've got?

Poor FD. Wrong before the counter-arguent hits him.


"In a 2015 New York Times article, University of North Carolina Professor Charles Kurzman and Duke Professor David Schanzer found that Islam-inspired terror attacks accounted for 50 deaths since 9/11, but that “right-wing extremists averaged 337 attacks per year in the decade after 9/11, causing a total of 254 fatalities.”

https://thinkprogress.org/trump-false-claim-foreign-born-domestic-attacks-54e99b...


What exactly is wrong with the question? Do you think the threat of terrorism is adequately capture by statistics that equate a graffiti 'attack' with 9/11?




I'm curious FD. Who exactly is equating a graffiti attack with 9/11?
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Your first lot of statistics do. Your second lot deliberately excludes 9/11. Do you think that is a wise thing to do in gauging terrorism?
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mothra wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 2:14pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 2:12pm:
From my downloads I have 105 Islamic murders between 1990 and 2014 without 9/11. Add 9/11 that goes up to 3,101.That's not adding the loads of people who have died from the dust when the buildings went down. That's in the hundreds. One of them was 70's singer Donna Summer.



That's interesting.

When i copy and paste your post into google i get:

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks/american-attacks.aspx

A notoriously disreputable Islamophobic web page.
Forgot about these didn't you muppet-

Wikipedia-As of August 2013, medical authorities concluded that 1,140 people who worked, lived, or studied in Lower Manhattan at the time of the attack have been diagnosed with cancer as a result of "exposure to toxins at Ground Zero".[14] It has been reported that over 1,400 9/11 rescue workers who responded to the scene in the days and months after the attacks have since died.[15] At least ten pregnancies were lost as a result of 9/11.[16]


And they continue to die. Apologist!
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freediver wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 2:18pm:
Your first lot of statistics do. Your second lot deliberately excludes 9/11. Do you think that is a wise thing to do in gauging terrorism?
I love how she cuts out 9/11 and the escalation in the last few years. That's customizing her stats. Very tricky.
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Your first lot of statistics do. Your second lot deliberately excludes 9/11. Do you think that is a wise thing to do in gauging terrorism?



No. They don't. Stop being sillly.

The second lot do . but that is because they are recent.

However, you leveled the whole graffiti attack to the third lot of statistics i gave you, which include 9/11.

Would you like to start over with your last post? I won't hold it against you, promise.
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Yes they do

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The second lot do . but that is because they are recent.


No they are not. They begin immediately after 9/11. 9/11 itself is excluded because it is inconvenient. More recent attacks are also excluded.

Do you think promoting such transparent and stupid lies is going to reassure people about the threat of Islamic terrorism?
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Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 2:22pm:
freediver wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 2:18pm:
Your first lot of statistics do. Your second lot deliberately excludes 9/11. Do you think that is a wise thing to do in gauging terrorism?
I love how she cuts out 9/11 and the escalation in the last few years. That's customizing her stats. Very tricky.


No Hammer. I have repeatedly posted stats which include 9/11.

Those posts are littered all throughout this thread.

I seem to need to repeat myself for people like you ... and you still don't get it.

Would you like me to post the again?

Will you promise to read them this time?
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mothra wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 2:14pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 2:12pm:
From my downloads I have 105 Islamic murders between 1990 and 2014 without 9/11. Add 9/11 that goes up to 3,101.That's not adding the loads of people who have died from the dust when the buildings went down. That's in the hundreds. One of them was 70's singer Donna Summer.



That's interesting.

When i copy and paste your post into google i get:

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks/american-attacks.aspx

A notoriously disreputable Islamophobic web page.
Love, your stats are failing you. It's missing loads of attacks. Go and have a lie down.
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No. They don't. Stop being sillly.


Yes they do

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The second lot do . but that is because they are recent.


No they are not. They begin immediately after 9/11. 9/11 itself is excluded because it is inconvenient. More recent attacks are also excluded.

Do you think promoting such transparent and stupid lies is going to reassure people about the threat of Islamic terrorism?




"However, you leveled the whole graffiti attack to the third lot of statistics i gave you, which include 9/11.

Would you like to start over with your last post? I won't hold it against you, promise.
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I'll repeat myself, shall i?

"Between 1990 and 2014, the ECDB has identified 38 homicide events motivated by Islamist extremism that killed 62 people. When you include 9/11, those numbers jump dramatically to 39 homicide events and 3,058 killed.

The database also identified 177 homicide events motivated by far-right extremism, with 245 killed. And when you include the Oklahoma City bombing, it rises to 178 homicide events and 413 killed."


https://theconversation.com/threats-of-violent-islamist-and-far-right-extremism-...
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mothra wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 1:42pm:
freediver wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 1:22pm:
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deaths
since 9/11, but that “right-wing extremists averaged 337
attacks
per year in the decade after 9/11, causing a total of 254 fatalities.”


Do let us know when they catch up to 9/11 Mothra. Hopefully the Muslims don't get their hands on a dirty bomb by then.


It's a race all of a sudden?

Here's me thinking it was a simple comparison.


Between 1990 and 2014, the ECDB has identified 38 homicide events motivated by Islamist extremism that killed 62 people. When you include 9/11, those numbers jump dramatically to 39 homicide events and 3,058 killed.

The database also identified 177 homicide events motivated by far-right extremism, with 245 killed. And when you include the Oklahoma City bombing, it rises to 178 homicide events and 413 killed.


https://theconversation.com/threats-of-violent-islamist-and-far-right-extremism-...


Up for FD.
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And another thing Mothra's stats on far right wing terrorist acts include loads of motivations which have nothing to do with racism. Why she includes the  Oklahoma Bombing is beyond me.


Oklahoma Bombing- Wikipedia- McVeigh, a Gulf War veteran, sought revenge against the federal government for its handling of the 1993 Waco siege, which ended in the deaths of 76 people exactly two years before the bombing, as well as for the 1992 Ruby Ridge incident. McVeigh hoped to inspire a revolt against the federal government.
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Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 2:35pm:
And another thing Mothra's stats on far right wing terrorist acts include loads of motivations which have nothing to do with racism. Why she includes the  Oklahoma Bombing is beyond me.


Oklahoma Bombing- Wikipedia- McVeigh, a Gulf War veteran, sought revenge against the federal government for its handling of the 1993 Waco siege, which ended in the deaths of 76 people exactly two years before the bombing, as well as for the 1992 Ruby Ridge incident. McVeigh hoped to inspire a revolt against the federal government.




Right wing doesn't just mean racism, Hammer.
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Oh, and Hammer:

If you visit JihadWatch, AtlasShrugs or any of the too numerous to count anti-Muslim hate sites and blogs, you are likely to find on the sidebar a hyperlinked image claiming that “Islamic Terrorists have carried out more than _____ Deadly Terror Attacks Since 9/11.” The image was created by the anti-Islam hate site, The Religion of Peace (TROP), associated with Islamophobe Daniel Greenfield, aka“SultanKnish,” who you will recall earns a pretty penny from the David Horowitz Freedom Center.


https://www.quora.com/How-objective-is-the-Religion-of-Peace-website
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If Timothy McVie was far right then why was he seeking revenge for a group (Branch Davidians) who were comprised of all races??
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mothra wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 2:36pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 2:35pm:
And another thing Mothra's stats on far right wing terrorist acts include loads of motivations which have nothing to do with racism. Why she includes the  Oklahoma Bombing is beyond me.


Oklahoma Bombing- Wikipedia- McVeigh, a Gulf War veteran, sought revenge against the federal government for its handling of the 1993 Waco siege, which ended in the deaths of 76 people exactly two years before the bombing, as well as for the 1992 Ruby Ridge incident. McVeigh hoped to inspire a revolt against the federal government.




Right wing doesn't just mean racism, Hammer.
again-
DAVIDIAN VICTIMS

Died February 28, 1993
Winston Blake, 28, black, British
Peter Gent, 24, white, Australian
Peter Hipsman, 28, white, American
Perry Jones, 64, white, American
Michael Schroeder, 29, white, American
Jaydean Wendell, 34, Hawaiian, American
Died April 19, 1993
Katherine Andrade, 24, white, American
Chanel Andrade, 1, white, American
Jennifer Andrade, 19, white, American
George Bennett, 35, black, British
Susan Benta, 31, black, British
Mary Jean Borst, 49, white, American
Pablo Cohen, 38, white, Israeli
Abedowalo Davies, 30, black, British
Shari Doyle, 18, white, American
Beverly Elliot, 30, black, British
Yvette Fagan, 32, black, British
Doris Fagan, 51, black, British
Lisa Marie Farris, 24, white, American
Raymond Friesen, 76, white, Canadian
Sandra Hardial, 27, black, British
Zilla Henry, 55, black, British
Vanessa Henry, 19, black, British
Phillip Henry, 22, black, British
Paulina Henry, 24, black, British
Stephen Henry, 26, black, British
Diana Henry, 28, black, British
Novellette Hipsman, 36, black, Canadian
Floyd Houtman, 61, black, American
Sherri Jewell, 43, Asian, American
David M. Jones, 38, white, American
David Koresh, 33, white, American
Rachel Koresh, 24, white, American
Cyrus Koresh, 8, white, American
Star Koresh, 6, white, American
Bobbie Lane Koresh, 2, white, American
Jeffery Little, 32, white, American
Nicole Gent Little, 24, white, Australian
  and unborn child
Dayland Gent, 3, white, American
Page Gent, 1, white, American
Livingston Malcolm, 26, black, British
Diane Martin, 41, black, British
Wayne Martin, Sr., 42, black, American
Lisa Martin, 13, black, American
Sheila Martin, Jr., 15, black, American
Anita Martin, 18, black, American
Wayne Martin, Jr., 20, black, American
Julliete Martinez, 30, Mexican American
Crystal Martinez, 3, Mexican American
Isaiah Martinez, 4, Mexican American
Joseph Martinez, 8, Mexican American
Abigail Martinez, 11, Mexican American
Audrey Martinez, 13, Mexican American
John-Mark McBean, 27, black, British
Bernadette Monbelly, 31, black, British
Rosemary Morrison, 29, black, British
Melissa Morrison, 6, black, British
Sonia Murray, 29, black, American
Theresa Nobrega, 48, black, British
James Riddle, 32, white, American
Rebecca Saipaia, 24, Asian, Phillipino
Steve Schneider, 43, white, American
Judy Schneider, 41, white, American
Mayanah Schneider, 2, white, American
Clifford Sellors, 33, white, British
Scott Kojiro Sonobe, 35, Asian, American
Floracita Sonobe, 34, Asian, Phillipino
Gregory Summers, 28, white, American
Aisha Gyrfas Summers, 17, white, Australian
   and unborn child
Startle Summers, 1, white, American
Lorraine Sylvia, 40, white, American
Rachel Sylvia, 12, white, American
Hollywood Sylvia, 1, white, American
Michelle Jones Thibodeau, 18, white, American
Serenity Jones, 4, white, American
Chica Jones, 2, white, American
Little One Jones, 2, white, American
Neal Vaega, 38, Somoan, New Zealander
Margarida Vaega, 47, Asian, New Zealander
Mark H. Wendell, 40, Asian, American

Timothy McVie was right leaning??
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Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 2:42pm:
If Timothy McVie was far right then why was he seeking revenge for a group (Branch Davadians) who were comprised of all races??




Because being far right doesn't necessarily mean you're a racist, Hammer. Or that you are motivated by race.

I've already explained that to you.
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Mothra serves up some crap which gets a who bunch of acts with different motivations and calls it all (right wing terrorism) and poses it against 1 category (Islamic terrorism) which doesn't even contain all documented acts. Not fair and not complete. Roll Eyes
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Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 2:21pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 2:14pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 2:12pm:
From my downloads I have 105 Islamic murders between 1990 and 2014 without 9/11. Add 9/11 that goes up to 3,101.That's not adding the loads of people who have died from the dust when the buildings went down. That's in the hundreds. One of them was 70's singer Donna Summer.



That's interesting.

When i copy and paste your post into google i get:

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks/american-attacks.aspx

A notoriously disreputable Islamophobic web page.
Forgot about these didn't you muppet-

Wikipedia-As of August 2013, medical authorities concluded that 1,140 people who worked, lived, or studied in Lower Manhattan at the time of the attack have been diagnosed with cancer as a result of "exposure to toxins at Ground Zero".[14] It has been reported that over 1,400 9/11 rescue workers who responded to the scene in the days and months after the attacks have since died.[15] At least ten pregnancies were lost as a result of 9/11.[16]


And they continue to die. Apologist!



and relationships went out the window...

the ripple effect is just as painful...its wholesale murder.....

I doubt they will ever know the mental cost to those who survived...or even witnessed it...

lets hope we never see anything like that again....

our history is all being recorded in living colour...

there will be no escape or excuses......we need to be more aware of what we do....the world is not in a good place in fact I think we are going backwards...

forget about religion and colour.. its all about HATE today..no,  reasons needed.. Angry Angry Angry
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mothra wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 2:44pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 2:42pm:
If Timothy McVie was far right then why was he seeking revenge for a group (Branch Davadians) who were comprised of all races??




Because being far right doesn't necessarily mean you're a racist, Hammer. Or that you are motivated by race.

I've already explained that to you.
So what does it mean then? I'm interested to hear your definition.
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mothra wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 2:31pm:
I'll repeat myself, shall i?

"Between 1990 and 2014, the ECDB has identified 38 homicide events motivated by Islamist extremism that killed 62 people. When you include 9/11, those numbers jump dramatically to 39 homicide events and 3,058 killed.

The database also identified 177 homicide events motivated by far-right extremism, with 245 killed. And when you include the Oklahoma City bombing, it rises to 178 homicide events and 413 killed."


https://theconversation.com/threats-of-violent-islamist-and-far-right-extremism-...


So in terms of death toll, that is close to 10:1 to the Muslim terrorists.

Tell us mothra, what do you think is the best measure of the threat, the death toll, or the number of events?
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cods wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 2:49pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 2:21pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 2:14pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 2:12pm:
From my downloads I have 105 Islamic murders between 1990 and 2014 without 9/11. Add 9/11 that goes up to 3,101.That's not adding the loads of people who have died from the dust when the buildings went down. That's in the hundreds. One of them was 70's singer Donna Summer.



That's interesting.

When i copy and paste your post into google i get:

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks/american-attacks.aspx

A notoriously disreputable Islamophobic web page.
Forgot about these didn't you muppet-

Wikipedia-As of August 2013, medical authorities concluded that 1,140 people who worked, lived, or studied in Lower Manhattan at the time of the attack have been diagnosed with cancer as a result of "exposure to toxins at Ground Zero".[14] It has been reported that over 1,400 9/11 rescue workers who responded to the scene in the days and months after the attacks have since died.[15] At least ten pregnancies were lost as a result of 9/11.[16]


And they continue to die. Apologist!



and relationships went out the window...

the ripple effect is just as painful...its wholesale murder.....

I doubt they will ever know the mental cost to those who survived...or even witnessed it...

lets hope we never see anything like that again....

our history is all being recorded in living colour...

there will be no escape or excuses......we need to be more aware of what we do....the world is not in a good place in fact I think we are going backwards...

forget about religion and colour.. its all about HATE today..no,  reasons needed.. Angry Angry Angry
I won't have people on here downplaying the threat of Islamic terrorism cods. Mothra does it all of the time.
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It just goes to show just how retarded and useless these muzzo terrorists are.

Even with all their attempted terrorism, they still cant kill as many as us white boys.

Keep trying Muzzo, but following a barbaric, pedophile, lying stoopid narcissist prophet has done nothing for your CULT in any way.

Your countries are all shite
Your people are all shite
Your CULT is all shite

Worthless, bludging parasitical deviates, that is all.

No wonder we have the apologists, they feel superior to every single one of them.
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Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 2:50pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 2:44pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 2:42pm:
If Timothy McVie was far right then why was he seeking revenge for a group (Branch Davadians) who were comprised of all races??




Because being far right doesn't necessarily mean you're a racist, Hammer. Or that you are motivated by race.

I've already explained that to you.
So what does it mean then? I'm interested to hear your definition.



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Reply #152 - Mar 18th, 2017 at 3:04pm
 
freediver wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 2:50pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 2:31pm:
I'll repeat myself, shall i?

"Between 1990 and 2014, the ECDB has identified 38 homicide events motivated by Islamist extremism that killed 62 people. When you include 9/11, those numbers jump dramatically to 39 homicide events and 3,058 killed.

The database also identified 177 homicide events motivated by far-right extremism, with 245 killed. And when you include the Oklahoma City bombing, it rises to 178 homicide events and 413 killed."


https://theconversation.com/threats-of-violent-islamist-and-far-right-extremism-...


So in terms of death toll, that is close to 10:1 to the Muslim terrorists.

Tell us mothra, what do you think is the best measure of the threat, the death toll, or the number of events?



Well FD, i think they both ought be considered, don't you?

You seem to be basing the crux of your analysis on 9/11. It gives you the numbers to justify your position, granted.
And that seems important to you so i want it for you. Go you.

But is it really representative of today's threats to the US?

The data suggests not.
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Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 2:51pm:
cods wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 2:49pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 2:21pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 2:14pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 2:12pm:
From my downloads I have 105 Islamic murders between 1990 and 2014 without 9/11. Add 9/11 that goes up to 3,101.That's not adding the loads of people who have died from the dust when the buildings went down. That's in the hundreds. One of them was 70's singer Donna Summer.



That's interesting.

When i copy and paste your post into google i get:

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks/american-attacks.aspx

A notoriously disreputable Islamophobic web page.
Forgot about these didn't you muppet-

Wikipedia-As of August 2013, medical authorities concluded that 1,140 people who worked, lived, or studied in Lower Manhattan at the time of the attack have been diagnosed with cancer as a result of "exposure to toxins at Ground Zero".[14] It has been reported that over 1,400 9/11 rescue workers who responded to the scene in the days and months after the attacks have since died.[15] At least ten pregnancies were lost as a result of 9/11.[16]


And they continue to die. Apologist!



and relationships went out the window...

the ripple effect is just as painful...its wholesale murder.....

I doubt they will ever know the mental cost to those who survived...or even witnessed it...

lets hope we never see anything like that again....

our history is all being recorded in living colour...

there will be no escape or excuses......we need to be more aware of what we do....the world is not in a good place in fact I think we are going backwards...

forget about religion and colour.. its all about HATE today..no,  reasons needed.. Angry Angry Angry
I won't have people on here downplaying the threat of Islamic terrorism cods. Mothra does it all of the time.




Hilarious. Hammer won't have it.
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Reply #154 - Mar 18th, 2017 at 3:09pm
 
Valkie wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 2:56pm:
It just goes to show just how retarded and useless these muzzo terrorists are.

Even with all their attempted terrorism, they still cant kill as many as us white boys.

Keep trying Muzzo, but following a barbaric, pedophile, lying stoopid narcissist prophet has done nothing for your CULT in any way.

Your countries are all shite
Your people are all shite
Your CULT is all shite

Worthless, bludging parasitical deviates, that is all.

No wonder we have the apologists, they feel superior to every single one of them.



Au contraire:

"These data reveal that far-right extremists tend to be more active in committing homicides, yet Islamist extremists tend to be more deadly."

https://theconversation.com/threats-of-violent-islamist-and-far-right-extremism-...


You really need to take the tie to read what you are responding to Valkie.

You keep embarrassing yourself over and over.
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Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 2:35pm:
And another thing Mothra's stats on far right wing terrorist acts include loads of motivations which have nothing to do with racism. Why she includes the  Oklahoma Bombing is beyond me.


Most things are beyond you, but this one's easy.

It was terrorism.
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mothra wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 3:00pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 2:50pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 2:44pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 2:42pm:
If Timothy McVie was far right then why was he seeking revenge for a group (Branch Davadians) who were comprised of all races??




Because being far right doesn't necessarily mean you're a racist, Hammer. Or that you are motivated by race.

I've already explained that to you.
So what does it mean then? I'm interested to hear your definition.



Anti-liberal; anti-abortion; anti-gay and lesbian; white supremacy; anti-immigration; xenopphobia; anti-Muslim; anti-Jew; anti-establishment (in the hopes of instituting Nationalism or Fascism; neo-Nazism; neo-Fascism and your run of the mill racists.

All hate groups, essentially.
So Islamic terrorism is far right then.They don't like gays and jews.  All terrorist groups  are hate groups.  Roll Eyes If far right is conservative then why was Timothy McVie trying to bring down the US government. You don't even know!!
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greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 3:25pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 2:35pm:
And another thing Mothra's stats on far right wing terrorist acts include loads of motivations which have nothing to do with racism. Why she includes the  Oklahoma Bombing is beyond me.


Most things are beyond you, but this one's easy.

It was terrorism.
.... right wing terrorism is beyond me. Don't put peoples post out of context muppet. They might do that in Vic Park but real people don't do sneaky things like that.
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Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 3:37pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 3:25pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 2:35pm:
And another thing Mothra's stats on far right wing terrorist acts include loads of motivations which have nothing to do with racism. Why she includes the  Oklahoma Bombing is beyond me.


Most things are beyond you, but this one's easy.

It was terrorism.
.... right wing terrorism is beyond me.


Yes, you certainly seem to be struggling.

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Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 3:34pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 3:00pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 2:50pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 2:44pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 2:42pm:
If Timothy McVie was far right then why was he seeking revenge for a group (Branch Davadians) who were comprised of all races??




Because being far right doesn't necessarily mean you're a racist, Hammer. Or that you are motivated by race.

I've already explained that to you.
So what does it mean then? I'm interested to hear your definition.



Anti-liberal; anti-abortion; anti-gay and lesbian; white supremacy; anti-immigration; xenopphobia; anti-Muslim; anti-Jew; anti-establishment (in the hopes of instituting Nationalism or Fascism; neo-Nazism; neo-Fascism and your run of the mill racists.

All hate groups, essentially.
So Islamic terrorism is far right then.They don't like gays and jews.  All terrorist groups  are hate groups.  Roll Eyes If far right is conservative then why was Timothy McVie trying to bring down the US government. You don't even know!!



Yes i do. Tiothy mVeigh had pages of the "Turner Diaries" in his possession when captured. He also frequently quoted from them,

Bet you've got a copy too.

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greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 3:43pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 3:37pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 3:25pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 2:35pm:
And another thing Mothra's stats on far right wing terrorist acts include loads of motivations which have nothing to do with racism. Why she includes the  Oklahoma Bombing is beyond me.


Most things are beyond you, but this one's easy.

It was terrorism.
.... right wing terrorism is beyond me.


Yes, you certainly seem to be struggling.

The  thing you are struggling with at this moment is getting that mouse cranium through your sphincter.
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mothra wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 3:45pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 3:34pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 3:00pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 2:50pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 2:44pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 2:42pm:
If Timothy McVie was far right then why was he seeking revenge for a group (Branch Davadians) who were comprised of all races??




Because being far right doesn't necessarily mean you're a racist, Hammer. Or that you are motivated by race.

I've already explained that to you.
So what does it mean then? I'm interested to hear your definition.



Anti-liberal; anti-abortion; anti-gay and lesbian; white supremacy; anti-immigration; xenopphobia; anti-Muslim; anti-Jew; anti-establishment (in the hopes of instituting Nationalism or Fascism; neo-Nazism; neo-Fascism and your run of the mill racists.

All hate groups, essentially.
So Islamic terrorism is far right then.They don't like gays and jews.  All terrorist groups  are hate groups.  Roll Eyes If far right is conservative then why was Timothy McVie trying to bring down the US government. You don't even know!!



Yes i do. Tiothy mVeigh had pages of the "Turner Diaries" in his possession when captured. He also frequently quoted from them,

Bet you've got a copy too.

you are all confused mothra.
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mothra wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 3:04pm:
freediver wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 2:50pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 2:31pm:
I'll repeat myself, shall i?

"Between 1990 and 2014, the ECDB has identified 38 homicide events motivated by Islamist extremism that killed 62 people. When you include 9/11, those numbers jump dramatically to 39 homicide events and 3,058 killed.

The database also identified 177 homicide events motivated by far-right extremism, with 245 killed. And when you include the Oklahoma City bombing, it rises to 178 homicide events and 413 killed."


https://theconversation.com/threats-of-violent-islamist-and-far-right-extremism-...


So in terms of death toll, that is close to 10:1 to the Muslim terrorists.

Tell us mothra, what do you think is the best measure of the threat, the death toll, or the number of events?



Well FD, i think they both ought be considered, don't you?

You seem to be basing the crux of your analysis on 9/11. It gives you the numbers to justify your position, granted.
And that seems important to you so i want it for you. Go you.

But is it really representative of today's threats to the US?

The data suggests not.


So the actual truth about Islamic terrorism gives me the numbers to justify my position, but you feel comfortable posting statistics that clearly misrepresent that same truth? Is that because misrepresentation is necessary to justify your position?

The recent history is the best available indication of the future. I would expect right wing attacks to continue at similar rates. I expect Muslims to continue planning large scale attacks. Maybe they will succeed. maybe they will not.

Most analysts expect Islamic terrorism to rise in western countries as slightly less incompetent jihadis return from a crumbling ISIS in significant numbers. If this happens, right wing attacks might go up also, though I am not sure what fraction of them are reactionary against Muslims. It is my understanding that most of it is the anti-abortion mob, which is pretty much unrelated.

Also, don't make the mistake of thinking 9/11 must be the biggest attack. There is also a significant risk that Muslims will pull off something far larger. Their agenda and their ideology certainly won't hold them back, just their level of incompetence, which so far has been their main saving grace.
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Reply #163 - Mar 18th, 2017 at 5:02pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 2:51pm:
cods wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 2:49pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 2:21pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 2:14pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 2:12pm:
From my downloads I have 105 Islamic murders between 1990 and 2014 without 9/11. Add 9/11 that goes up to 3,101.That's not adding the loads of people who have died from the dust when the buildings went down. That's in the hundreds. One of them was 70's singer Donna Summer.



That's interesting.

When i copy and paste your post into google i get:

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks/american-attacks.aspx

A notoriously disreputable Islamophobic web page.
Forgot about these didn't you muppet-

Wikipedia-As of August 2013, medical authorities concluded that 1,140 people who worked, lived, or studied in Lower Manhattan at the time of the attack have been diagnosed with cancer as a result of "exposure to toxins at Ground Zero".[14] It has been reported that over 1,400 9/11 rescue workers who responded to the scene in the days and months after the attacks have since died.[15] At least ten pregnancies were lost as a result of 9/11.[16]


And they continue to die. Apologist!



and relationships went out the window...

the ripple effect is just as painful...its wholesale murder.....

I doubt they will ever know the mental cost to those who survived...or even witnessed it...

lets hope we never see anything like that again....

our history is all being recorded in living colour...

there will be no escape or excuses......we need to be more aware of what we do....the world is not in a good place in fact I think we are going backwards...

forget about religion and colour.. its all about HATE today..no,  reasons needed.. Angry Angry Angry
I won't have people on here downplaying the threat of Islamic terrorism cods. Mothra does it all of the time.



the comparisons get tiresome....I must admit..

I dont care who killed the most....I care WHY.

what about the reasons...

Islamic terrorists seem to HATE/DESPISE. everyone who isnt Muslim..

white terrorists I agree for the most part.. Mainly HATE their OWN GOVTS>.... or as in the case of the IRA...their own govt and the British Govt...their main aim being the "establishments"....

arguing whos got it right and whos got it all arseup doesnt fix a thing imo..

much better to argue on ways to prevent it going on for another bloody century..

who knows someone may hit on the answer.. Angry Angry

wouldnt want that to happen by the sound of these threads..
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Reply #164 - Mar 19th, 2017 at 5:02pm
 
freediver wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 4:51pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 3:04pm:
freediver wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 2:50pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 2:31pm:
I'll repeat myself, shall i?

"Between 1990 and 2014, the ECDB has identified 38 homicide events motivated by Islamist extremism that killed 62 people. When you include 9/11, those numbers jump dramatically to 39 homicide events and 3,058 killed.

The database also identified 177 homicide events motivated by far-right extremism, with 245 killed. And when you include the Oklahoma City bombing, it rises to 178 homicide events and 413 killed."


https://theconversation.com/threats-of-violent-islamist-and-far-right-extremism-...


So in terms of death toll, that is close to 10:1 to the Muslim terrorists.

Tell us mothra, what do you think is the best measure of the threat, the death toll, or the number of events?



Well FD, i think they both ought be considered, don't you?

You seem to be basing the crux of your analysis on 9/11. It gives you the numbers to justify your position, granted.
And that seems important to you so i want it for you. Go you.

But is it really representative of today's threats to the US?

The data suggests not.


So the actual truth about Islamic terrorism gives me the numbers to justify my position, but you feel comfortable posting statistics that clearly misrepresent that same truth? Is that because misrepresentation is necessary to justify your position?

The recent history is the best available indication of the future. I would expect right wing attacks to continue at similar rates. I expect Muslims to continue planning large scale attacks. Maybe they will succeed. maybe they will not.

Most analysts expect Islamic terrorism to rise in western countries as slightly less incompetent jihadis return from a crumbling ISIS in significant numbers. If this happens, right wing attacks might go up also, though I am not sure what fraction of them are reactionary against Muslims. It is my understanding that most of it is the anti-abortion mob, which is pretty much unrelated.

Also, don't make the mistake of thinking 9/11 must be the biggest attack. There is also a significant risk that Muslims will pull off something far larger. Their agenda and their ideology certainly won't hold them back, just their level of incompetence, which so far has been their main saving grace.




You have different statistics? How do my statistics misrepresent the "truth" FD? I have cited several sources that are all in agreement with each other.

You have something new? Let's see it then.

And claiming that most acts of right-wing terrorism are against abortion clinics just cements your ignorance. Mostly it is white supremacists and anti-Government groups and individuals.

Furthermore, i have repeatedly cited the finding on this thread that whilst right-wing extremist terrorism is more prolific, Islamist terrorism tends to be more deadly.

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Reply #165 - Mar 19th, 2017 at 8:33pm
 
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You have different statistics? How do my statistics misrepresent the "truth" FD?


Your statistics deliberately excluded 9/11, and also more recent attacks. You insisted this was because they were 'recent' statistics, but they actually start immediately after 9/11. You post this BS over and over again. You know it is clearly misleading. We tell you every time. You slink away, then come back a few months later and do it all again.

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You seem to be basing the crux of your analysis on 9/11. It gives you the numbers to justify your position, granted.


Yes it does Mothra. Because it actually happened. That is what statistics on terrorism should capture - what actually happened, not what happened in between.
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Reply #166 - Mar 19th, 2017 at 9:28pm
 
this is interesting I have no recollection of this...

While the 9/11 attack on the World Trade Center was devastating, it was not the first attempt to bring the two towers down.  On February 26, 1993, a yellow Ryder moving van was driven into the World Trade Center’s public parking garage in the North Tower.  Several minutes later, 1500 pounds of nitrate-hydrogen gas exploded, punching a hole 98 feet wide through four levels of concrete.

The plan was carried out by a group that called itself The Liberation Army, 5th Battalion.  This is believed to be a front, however, as this attack was financed by Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, who was the primary planner for the 9/11 attack. The attackers hoped to collapse the North Tower and have it crash into the South Tower, causing thousands of deaths.  Six men were eventually charged with, and convicted of, the bombing.



it doesnt say about deaths...

but as we can see...the idea was to cause many deaths...


it is still a terrorist attack
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Reply #167 - Mar 20th, 2017 at 10:12am
 
freediver wrote on Mar 19th, 2017 at 8:33pm:
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You have different statistics? How do my statistics misrepresent the "truth" FD?


Your statistics deliberately excluded 9/11, and also more recent attacks. You insisted this was because they were 'recent' statistics, but they actually start immediately after 9/11. You post this BS over and over again. You know it is clearly misleading. We tell you every time. You slink away, then come back a few months later and do it all again.

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You seem to be basing the crux of your analysis on 9/11. It gives you the numbers to justify your position, granted.


Yes it does Mothra. Because it actually happened. That is what statistics on terrorism should capture - what actually happened, not what happened in between.




Freediver, you're just looking silly.

mothra wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 2:31pm:
I'll repeat myself, shall i?

"Between 1990 and 2014, the ECDB has identified 38 homicide events motivated by Islamist extremism that killed 62 people. When you include 9/11, those numbers jump dramatically to 39 homicide events and 3,058 killed.

The database also identified 177 homicide events motivated by far-right extremism, with 245 killed. And when you include the Oklahoma City bombing, it rises to 178 homicide events and 413 killed."


https://theconversation.com/threats-of-violent-islamist-and-far-right-extremism-...



Now, will i need to repeat myself again? Or do you think you've got it now?
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