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Reply #30 - Mar 17th, 2017 at 3:31pm
 
I think the article in the OP made one particularly interesting point - but its a shame no one seems to have picked up on it.

That being that Islamist terrorists tend to be more random, designed specifically just to cause chaos and maximum casualties - whereas far-right extremists tend to be more targeted. Though the Oklahoma bombing seems to be an exception.

Also the data is specific to the US situation, which is quite different to the situation faced in many European countries. For one thing, with few exceptions, the American Islamist threat comes from foreign imports - basically parachuted in for no other purpose than to commit terrorism. The 'native' muslim population in the US is actually very well integrated. Whereas the Islamist threat in Europe tends to be home grown - where the muslim populations there are less integrated into society.
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Reply #31 - Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:17pm
 
cods wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 2:49pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 2:37pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 2:33pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 2:26pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 2:18pm:
What possible could be the agenda of christian terrorists be, in the most wacka fkken doodle christian nation on the planet?


Many things.

For example, anti-abortion, anti-homosexuality, and white supremacy.




And people argue that we should not get rid of the right to religion.




It wouldn't do much good.

Banning all religion won't all of a sudden make terrorists/extremists law-abiding citizens.




religion is just a cover.. its a mask to give some a reason to do what they do Angry

like the drunk.. he starts a fight because its an excuse to go out and drink more..

these killers... LIKE KILLING>.. it doesnt matter what flag they fly..behind it all is DEATH...and they enjoy KILLING....

does ISIS.. b elieve in religion... well not as far as I am concerned .

because they mow down everything in their path......no real "religion" would ever do that..

its an excuse..you can fool some of the people some of the time..!!!

I think true blue Muslims are just as much afraid of them as the rest of us...

if we could get past this BLAME GAME>...who knows it may get fixed one day...in the mean time we are too busy fighting each other....

whilst they spread.. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



Well said, Cods.
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Reply #32 - Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:19pm
 
Frank wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 2:32pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 12:07pm:
Threats of violent Islamist and far-right extremism: What does the research say?

February 22, 2017 1.09pm AEDT

How do the decide what is a far-right extremist crime? Where is the data?

Islamists = allahu akhbaring.
Far right extremist = ???





Usually they are members of far-right organisations; leave manifestos; claim it themselves or are found to be through investigation.

Did you really need that explained to you?
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Reply #33 - Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:26pm
 
Gordon wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 3:00pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 1:55pm:
issuevoter wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 1:02pm:
Oklahoma City and New York 911 make a good comparison. On one hand you have two disgruntled men who were not affiliated with an organisation, and on the other you have a carefully orchestrated and supported group of fanatics who represent a long established and widely spread religion.



The terrorists who flew into the WTCs are no more representative o Islam than Christian terrorists are representative of Christianity.

This is clearly evidenced by the fact that most Muslims are not terrorists.

It is interesting to point out that since 9/11, there have been 13 terrorist attacks in thee US attributable to Christian terrorism yet only 5 attributable to Islamic terrorism.

And Timothy McVeigh was indeed disgruntled but he was a right-wing terrorist just the same.


Well lets see.

Islam
is the third largest religion in the United States after Christianity and Judaism. According to a 2010 study, it is followed by
0.9%
of the population



Yes. And, by and large, Islamic terrorism in the United States is not carried out by US citizens.

You're just going to have to face it, Islam is no more represented by the worst of it than is Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism or any other religion.

The vast majority of people from all religions are peaceful.

Do you have another point?

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Reply #34 - Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:27pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 3:31pm:
I think the article in the OP made one particularly interesting point - but its a shame no one seems to have picked up on it.

That being that Islamist terrorists tend to be more random, designed specifically just to cause chaos and maximum casualties - whereas far-right extremists tend to be more targeted. Though the Oklahoma bombing seems to be an exception.

Also the data is specific to the US situation, which is quite different to the situation faced in many European countries. For one thing, with few exceptions, the American Islamist threat comes from foreign imports - basically parachuted in for no other purpose than to commit terrorism. The 'native' muslim population in the US is actually very well integrated. Whereas the Islamist threat in Europe tends to be home grown - where the muslim populations there are less integrated into society.



Well i highlighted it ... but everyone went and got all Muslim-bashy about things.
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Reply #35 - Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:35pm
 
In a 2015 New York Times article, University of North Carolina Professor Charles Kurzman and Duke Professor David Schanzer found that Islam-inspired terror attacks accounted for 50 deaths since 9/11, but that “right-wing extremists averaged 337 attacks per year in the decade after 9/11, causing a total of 254 fatalities.”


https://thinkprogress.org/trump-false-claim-foreign-born-domestic-attacks-54e99b...
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Reply #36 - Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:38pm
 
mothra wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:35pm:
In a 2015 New York Times article, University of North Carolina Professor Charles Kurzman and Duke Professor David Schanzer found that Islam-inspired terror attacks accounted for 50 deaths since 9/11, but that “right-wing extremists averaged 337 attacks per year in the decade after 9/11, causing a total of 254 fatalities.”


https://thinkprogress.org/trump-false-claim-foreign-born-domestic-attacks-54e99b...
Why since 9/11?? Conveniently cutting out thousands of Islamic killings hey.
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Reply #37 - Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:40pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 3:31pm:
I think the article in the OP made one particularly interesting point - but its a shame no one seems to have picked up on it.

That being that Islamist terrorists tend to be more random, designed specifically just to cause chaos and maximum casualties - whereas far-right extremists tend to be more targeted. Though the Oklahoma bombing seems to be an exception.

Also the data is specific to the US situation, which is quite different to the situation faced in many European countries. For one thing, with few exceptions, the American Islamist threat comes from foreign imports - basically parachuted in for no other purpose than to commit terrorism. The 'native' muslim population in the US is actually very well integrated. Whereas the Islamist threat in Europe tends to be home grown - where the muslim populations there are less integrated into society.



you are generalising of course..

home grown..

is usually someone born in the country but of immigrant  parents... even the Irish in America supported the IRA  with huge amounts of money...

we need to look at us all being on the same PAGE when it comes to terrorism

whilst we all fight over who is the worst and who starts it..

these groups are laughing and killing...and more importantly.......... GROWING

because we dont work together

and they know it..

we are rubbish when it comes to fighting the same enemy!  always have been and at this rate always will be. Angry

if these small groups! because thats what they were until ISIS...

can get through to our youth.....and brainwash them..


why cant we do the same???...

you know why dont you???????..


thats right  because we are too busy fighting each other...

at least these guys work together with the same aim in mind..

we always wan t to be the one whos right all the time... Angry Angry Angry Angry


even our political parties all hate each other.. pathetic.

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Reply #38 - Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:42pm
 
I think there has been as much Christian bashing as Muslim bashing on this thread..


thats what I mean about a "common goal"...

we just will never find it..
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Reply #39 - Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:51pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:38pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:35pm:
In a 2015 New York Times article, University of North Carolina Professor Charles Kurzman and Duke Professor David Schanzer found that Islam-inspired terror attacks accounted for 50 deaths since 9/11, but that “right-wing extremists averaged 337 attacks per year in the decade after 9/11, causing a total of 254 fatalities.”


https://thinkprogress.org/trump-false-claim-foreign-born-domestic-attacks-54e99b...
Why since 9/11?? Conveniently cutting out thousands of Islamic killings hey.


Because that's the period of time the statistics were gathered over, obviously.

If you're jonesing for a reference to 9/11, you'll find it in the OP. I even highlighted it:

"Between 1990 and 2014, the ECDB has identified 38 homicide events motivated by Islamist extremism that killed 62 people. When you include 9/11, those numbers jump dramatically to 39 homicide events and 3,058 killed.

The database also identified 177 homicide events motivated by far-right extremism, with 245 killed. And when you include the Oklahoma City bombing, it rises to 178 homicide events and 413 killed."

and:

"These data reveal that far-right extremists tend to be more active in committing homicides, yet Islamist extremists tend to be more deadly."


https://theconversation.com/threats-of-violent-islamist-and-far-right-extremism-...
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Reply #40 - Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:52pm
 
mothra wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:51pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:38pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:35pm:
In a 2015 New York Times article, University of North Carolina Professor Charles Kurzman and Duke Professor David Schanzer found that Islam-inspired terror attacks accounted for 50 deaths since 9/11, but that “right-wing extremists averaged 337 attacks per year in the decade after 9/11, causing a total of 254 fatalities.”


https://thinkprogress.org/trump-false-claim-foreign-born-domestic-attacks-54e99b...
Why since 9/11?? Conveniently cutting out thousands of Islamic killings hey.


Because that's the period of time the statistics were gathered over, obviously.

If you're jonesing for a reference to 9/11, you'll find it in the OP. I even highlighted it:

"Between 1990 and 2014, the ECDB has identified 38 homicide events motivated by Islamist extremism that killed 62 people. When you include 9/11, those numbers jump dramatically to 39 homicide events and 3,058 killed.

The database also identified 177 homicide events motivated by far-right extremism, with 245 killed. And when you include the Oklahoma City bombing, it rises to 178 homicide events and 413 killed."

and:

"These data reveal that far-right extremists tend to be more active in committing homicides, yet Islamist extremists tend to be more deadly."


https://theconversation.com/threats-of-violent-islamist-and-far-right-extremism-...
Because that's the period of time the statistics were gathered over, obviously......

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Reply #41 - Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:55pm
 
cods wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:42pm:
I think there has been as much Christian bashing as Muslim bashing on this thread..


thats what I mean about a "common goal"...

we just will never find it..


Not even close. The only person who has come close to bashing Christianity is Bigol, and he bashes everyone.

The rest of us have been clear the target of our concern is terrorism, whomsoever commits it.
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Reply #42 - Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:56pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:52pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:51pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:38pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:35pm:
In a 2015 New York Times article, University of North Carolina Professor Charles Kurzman and Duke Professor David Schanzer found that Islam-inspired terror attacks accounted for 50 deaths since 9/11, but that “right-wing extremists averaged 337 attacks per year in the decade after 9/11, causing a total of 254 fatalities.”


https://thinkprogress.org/trump-false-claim-foreign-born-domestic-attacks-54e99b...
Why since 9/11?? Conveniently cutting out thousands of Islamic killings hey.


Because that's the period of time the statistics were gathered over, obviously.

If you're jonesing for a reference to 9/11, you'll find it in the OP. I even highlighted it:

"Between 1990 and 2014, the ECDB has identified 38 homicide events motivated by Islamist extremism that killed 62 people. When you include 9/11, those numbers jump dramatically to 39 homicide events and 3,058 killed.

The database also identified 177 homicide events motivated by far-right extremism, with 245 killed. And when you include the Oklahoma City bombing, it rises to 178 homicide events and 413 killed."

and:

"These data reveal that far-right extremists tend to be more active in committing homicides, yet Islamist extremists tend to be more deadly."


https://theconversation.com/threats-of-violent-islamist-and-far-right-extremism-...
Because that's the period of time the statistics were gathered over, obviously......

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Didn't read my whole post, did you.
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Reply #43 - Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:56pm
 
The threat

the paper had received threats on Twitter and Facebook and by post, which had been passed on to police. He said he was sickened and angry that "violence could be used to counter drawings".

The result


...

The threat

Van Gogh, 47, had received death threats after his film Submission was shown on Dutch TV.


The result


...


The threat
...

The result

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Reply #44 - Mar 17th, 2017 at 5:02pm
 
mothra wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:56pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:52pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:51pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:38pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 4:35pm:
In a 2015 New York Times article, University of North Carolina Professor Charles Kurzman and Duke Professor David Schanzer found that Islam-inspired terror attacks accounted for 50 deaths since 9/11, but that “right-wing extremists averaged 337 attacks per year in the decade after 9/11, causing a total of 254 fatalities.”


https://thinkprogress.org/trump-false-claim-foreign-born-domestic-attacks-54e99b...
Why since 9/11?? Conveniently cutting out thousands of Islamic killings hey.


Because that's the period of time the statistics were gathered over, obviously.

If you're jonesing for a reference to 9/11, you'll find it in the OP. I even highlighted it:

"Between 1990 and 2014, the ECDB has identified 38 homicide events motivated by Islamist extremism that killed 62 people. When you include 9/11, those numbers jump dramatically to 39 homicide events and 3,058 killed.

The database also identified 177 homicide events motivated by far-right extremism, with 245 killed. And when you include the Oklahoma City bombing, it rises to 178 homicide events and 413 killed."

and:

"These data reveal that far-right extremists tend to be more active in committing homicides, yet Islamist extremists tend to be more deadly."


https://theconversation.com/threats-of-violent-islamist-and-far-right-extremism-...
Because that's the period of time the statistics were gathered over, obviously......

Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin That's an old one. Cutting out a major event to skewer the results.  Grin Grin Grin



Didn't read my whole post, did you.
"since 9/11" was enough for me.
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