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Reply #135 - Mar 18th, 2017 at 2:31pm
 
I'll repeat myself, shall i?

"Between 1990 and 2014, the ECDB has identified 38 homicide events motivated by Islamist extremism that killed 62 people. When you include 9/11, those numbers jump dramatically to 39 homicide events and 3,058 killed.

The database also identified 177 homicide events motivated by far-right extremism, with 245 killed. And when you include the Oklahoma City bombing, it rises to 178 homicide events and 413 killed."


https://theconversation.com/threats-of-violent-islamist-and-far-right-extremism-...
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Reply #136 - Mar 18th, 2017 at 2:34pm
 
mothra wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 1:42pm:
freediver wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 1:22pm:
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"In a 2015 New York Times article, University of North Carolina Professor Charles Kurzman and Duke Professor David Schanzer found that Islam-inspired terror attacks accounted for 50
deaths
since 9/11, but that “right-wing extremists averaged 337
attacks
per year in the decade after 9/11, causing a total of 254 fatalities.”


Do let us know when they catch up to 9/11 Mothra. Hopefully the Muslims don't get their hands on a dirty bomb by then.


It's a race all of a sudden?

Here's me thinking it was a simple comparison.


Between 1990 and 2014, the ECDB has identified 38 homicide events motivated by Islamist extremism that killed 62 people. When you include 9/11, those numbers jump dramatically to 39 homicide events and 3,058 killed.

The database also identified 177 homicide events motivated by far-right extremism, with 245 killed. And when you include the Oklahoma City bombing, it rises to 178 homicide events and 413 killed.


https://theconversation.com/threats-of-violent-islamist-and-far-right-extremism-...


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Reply #137 - Mar 18th, 2017 at 2:35pm
 
And another thing Mothra's stats on far right wing terrorist acts include loads of motivations which have nothing to do with racism. Why she includes the  Oklahoma Bombing is beyond me.


Oklahoma Bombing- Wikipedia- McVeigh, a Gulf War veteran, sought revenge against the federal government for its handling of the 1993 Waco siege, which ended in the deaths of 76 people exactly two years before the bombing, as well as for the 1992 Ruby Ridge incident. McVeigh hoped to inspire a revolt against the federal government.
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Reply #139 - Mar 18th, 2017 at 2:36pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 2:35pm:
And another thing Mothra's stats on far right wing terrorist acts include loads of motivations which have nothing to do with racism. Why she includes the  Oklahoma Bombing is beyond me.


Oklahoma Bombing- Wikipedia- McVeigh, a Gulf War veteran, sought revenge against the federal government for its handling of the 1993 Waco siege, which ended in the deaths of 76 people exactly two years before the bombing, as well as for the 1992 Ruby Ridge incident. McVeigh hoped to inspire a revolt against the federal government.




Right wing doesn't just mean racism, Hammer.
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Reply #140 - Mar 18th, 2017 at 2:41pm
 
Oh, and Hammer:

If you visit JihadWatch, AtlasShrugs or any of the too numerous to count anti-Muslim hate sites and blogs, you are likely to find on the sidebar a hyperlinked image claiming that “Islamic Terrorists have carried out more than _____ Deadly Terror Attacks Since 9/11.” The image was created by the anti-Islam hate site, The Religion of Peace (TROP), associated with Islamophobe Daniel Greenfield, aka“SultanKnish,” who you will recall earns a pretty penny from the David Horowitz Freedom Center.


https://www.quora.com/How-objective-is-the-Religion-of-Peace-website
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Reply #141 - Mar 18th, 2017 at 2:42pm
 
If Timothy McVie was far right then why was he seeking revenge for a group (Branch Davidians) who were comprised of all races??
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Reply #142 - Mar 18th, 2017 at 2:43pm
 
mothra wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 2:36pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 2:35pm:
And another thing Mothra's stats on far right wing terrorist acts include loads of motivations which have nothing to do with racism. Why she includes the  Oklahoma Bombing is beyond me.


Oklahoma Bombing- Wikipedia- McVeigh, a Gulf War veteran, sought revenge against the federal government for its handling of the 1993 Waco siege, which ended in the deaths of 76 people exactly two years before the bombing, as well as for the 1992 Ruby Ridge incident. McVeigh hoped to inspire a revolt against the federal government.




Right wing doesn't just mean racism, Hammer.
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DAVIDIAN VICTIMS

Died February 28, 1993
Winston Blake, 28, black, British
Peter Gent, 24, white, Australian
Peter Hipsman, 28, white, American
Perry Jones, 64, white, American
Michael Schroeder, 29, white, American
Jaydean Wendell, 34, Hawaiian, American
Died April 19, 1993
Katherine Andrade, 24, white, American
Chanel Andrade, 1, white, American
Jennifer Andrade, 19, white, American
George Bennett, 35, black, British
Susan Benta, 31, black, British
Mary Jean Borst, 49, white, American
Pablo Cohen, 38, white, Israeli
Abedowalo Davies, 30, black, British
Shari Doyle, 18, white, American
Beverly Elliot, 30, black, British
Yvette Fagan, 32, black, British
Doris Fagan, 51, black, British
Lisa Marie Farris, 24, white, American
Raymond Friesen, 76, white, Canadian
Sandra Hardial, 27, black, British
Zilla Henry, 55, black, British
Vanessa Henry, 19, black, British
Phillip Henry, 22, black, British
Paulina Henry, 24, black, British
Stephen Henry, 26, black, British
Diana Henry, 28, black, British
Novellette Hipsman, 36, black, Canadian
Floyd Houtman, 61, black, American
Sherri Jewell, 43, Asian, American
David M. Jones, 38, white, American
David Koresh, 33, white, American
Rachel Koresh, 24, white, American
Cyrus Koresh, 8, white, American
Star Koresh, 6, white, American
Bobbie Lane Koresh, 2, white, American
Jeffery Little, 32, white, American
Nicole Gent Little, 24, white, Australian
  and unborn child
Dayland Gent, 3, white, American
Page Gent, 1, white, American
Livingston Malcolm, 26, black, British
Diane Martin, 41, black, British
Wayne Martin, Sr., 42, black, American
Lisa Martin, 13, black, American
Sheila Martin, Jr., 15, black, American
Anita Martin, 18, black, American
Wayne Martin, Jr., 20, black, American
Julliete Martinez, 30, Mexican American
Crystal Martinez, 3, Mexican American
Isaiah Martinez, 4, Mexican American
Joseph Martinez, 8, Mexican American
Abigail Martinez, 11, Mexican American
Audrey Martinez, 13, Mexican American
John-Mark McBean, 27, black, British
Bernadette Monbelly, 31, black, British
Rosemary Morrison, 29, black, British
Melissa Morrison, 6, black, British
Sonia Murray, 29, black, American
Theresa Nobrega, 48, black, British
James Riddle, 32, white, American
Rebecca Saipaia, 24, Asian, Phillipino
Steve Schneider, 43, white, American
Judy Schneider, 41, white, American
Mayanah Schneider, 2, white, American
Clifford Sellors, 33, white, British
Scott Kojiro Sonobe, 35, Asian, American
Floracita Sonobe, 34, Asian, Phillipino
Gregory Summers, 28, white, American
Aisha Gyrfas Summers, 17, white, Australian
   and unborn child
Startle Summers, 1, white, American
Lorraine Sylvia, 40, white, American
Rachel Sylvia, 12, white, American
Hollywood Sylvia, 1, white, American
Michelle Jones Thibodeau, 18, white, American
Serenity Jones, 4, white, American
Chica Jones, 2, white, American
Little One Jones, 2, white, American
Neal Vaega, 38, Somoan, New Zealander
Margarida Vaega, 47, Asian, New Zealander
Mark H. Wendell, 40, Asian, American

Timothy McVie was right leaning??
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Reply #143 - Mar 18th, 2017 at 2:44pm
 
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Reply #144 - Mar 18th, 2017 at 2:44pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 2:42pm:
If Timothy McVie was far right then why was he seeking revenge for a group (Branch Davadians) who were comprised of all races??




Because being far right doesn't necessarily mean you're a racist, Hammer. Or that you are motivated by race.

I've already explained that to you.
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Reply #145 - Mar 18th, 2017 at 2:49pm
 
Mothra serves up some crap which gets a who bunch of acts with different motivations and calls it all (right wing terrorism) and poses it against 1 category (Islamic terrorism) which doesn't even contain all documented acts. Not fair and not complete. Roll Eyes
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Reply #146 - Mar 18th, 2017 at 2:49pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 2:21pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 2:14pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 2:12pm:
From my downloads I have 105 Islamic murders between 1990 and 2014 without 9/11. Add 9/11 that goes up to 3,101.That's not adding the loads of people who have died from the dust when the buildings went down. That's in the hundreds. One of them was 70's singer Donna Summer.



That's interesting.

When i copy and paste your post into google i get:

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks/american-attacks.aspx

A notoriously disreputable Islamophobic web page.
Forgot about these didn't you muppet-

Wikipedia-As of August 2013, medical authorities concluded that 1,140 people who worked, lived, or studied in Lower Manhattan at the time of the attack have been diagnosed with cancer as a result of "exposure to toxins at Ground Zero".[14] It has been reported that over 1,400 9/11 rescue workers who responded to the scene in the days and months after the attacks have since died.[15] At least ten pregnancies were lost as a result of 9/11.[16]


And they continue to die. Apologist!



and relationships went out the window...

the ripple effect is just as painful...its wholesale murder.....

I doubt they will ever know the mental cost to those who survived...or even witnessed it...

lets hope we never see anything like that again....

our history is all being recorded in living colour...

there will be no escape or excuses......we need to be more aware of what we do....the world is not in a good place in fact I think we are going backwards...

forget about religion and colour.. its all about HATE today..no,  reasons needed.. Angry Angry Angry
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Reply #147 - Mar 18th, 2017 at 2:50pm
 
mothra wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 2:44pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 2:42pm:
If Timothy McVie was far right then why was he seeking revenge for a group (Branch Davadians) who were comprised of all races??




Because being far right doesn't necessarily mean you're a racist, Hammer. Or that you are motivated by race.

I've already explained that to you.
So what does it mean then? I'm interested to hear your definition.
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Reply #148 - Mar 18th, 2017 at 2:50pm
 
mothra wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 2:31pm:
I'll repeat myself, shall i?

"Between 1990 and 2014, the ECDB has identified 38 homicide events motivated by Islamist extremism that killed 62 people. When you include 9/11, those numbers jump dramatically to 39 homicide events and 3,058 killed.

The database also identified 177 homicide events motivated by far-right extremism, with 245 killed. And when you include the Oklahoma City bombing, it rises to 178 homicide events and 413 killed."


https://theconversation.com/threats-of-violent-islamist-and-far-right-extremism-...


So in terms of death toll, that is close to 10:1 to the Muslim terrorists.

Tell us mothra, what do you think is the best measure of the threat, the death toll, or the number of events?
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Reply #149 - Mar 18th, 2017 at 2:51pm
 
cods wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 2:49pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 2:21pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 2:14pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 18th, 2017 at 2:12pm:
From my downloads I have 105 Islamic murders between 1990 and 2014 without 9/11. Add 9/11 that goes up to 3,101.That's not adding the loads of people who have died from the dust when the buildings went down. That's in the hundreds. One of them was 70's singer Donna Summer.



That's interesting.

When i copy and paste your post into google i get:

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks/american-attacks.aspx

A notoriously disreputable Islamophobic web page.
Forgot about these didn't you muppet-

Wikipedia-As of August 2013, medical authorities concluded that 1,140 people who worked, lived, or studied in Lower Manhattan at the time of the attack have been diagnosed with cancer as a result of "exposure to toxins at Ground Zero".[14] It has been reported that over 1,400 9/11 rescue workers who responded to the scene in the days and months after the attacks have since died.[15] At least ten pregnancies were lost as a result of 9/11.[16]


And they continue to die. Apologist!



and relationships went out the window...

the ripple effect is just as painful...its wholesale murder.....

I doubt they will ever know the mental cost to those who survived...or even witnessed it...

lets hope we never see anything like that again....

our history is all being recorded in living colour...

there will be no escape or excuses......we need to be more aware of what we do....the world is not in a good place in fact I think we are going backwards...

forget about religion and colour.. its all about HATE today..no,  reasons needed.. Angry Angry Angry
I won't have people on here downplaying the threat of Islamic terrorism cods. Mothra does it all of the time.
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