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Over the last few decades, national identity has had a serious image problem. It’s been conflated with nationalism which, as we all know, is responsible for bad things such as prejudice, racism and war. If you want to stop prejudice, racism and war, went the thinking, you’ve got to get rid of nationalism. And to get rid of nationalism, you’ve got to get rid of the nation.

That’s the thought process which has dominated western progressive thinking since the end of the Second World War.
The idea of the nation had to be superseded by the ideal of the brotherhood of man. That’s why we’ve seen the rise in authority of supra-national institutions and laws such as the UN, the International Criminal Court, international law itself and of course the European Union.

Indeed, the foundational idea behind the EU project was that after Nazism and the Holocaust the nations of Europe, particularly Germany, couldn’t be trusted ever again not to fight and kill people. Bind them all together in an overarching superstate, it was thought, and that problem would be solved.

Well, that really wasn’t a good idea at all. People want to live in groups called nations which govern themselves. Nations are far better than tribal societies because nations bind tribes and groups together in a shared national project. And it’s only the western nation which binds people together in a shared national project based on the ideals of liberty, collective responsibility, one law for all, free institutions and democracy.

So the EU agenda was in fact nothing other than an all-out attack on democracy. And as we can all see, there’s now a great uprising of the people against that denial of democracy and for the restoration of the independent nation. In Britain, this uprising took the form of Brexit, the people’s vote in last June’s referendum for Britain to exit the EU. And in mainland Europe, similar movements for the recovery and defence of national identity are threatening to up-end politics both in countries such as France or the Netherlands and in the EU itself.

Brexit, you might say, has let the genie of national identity out of the bottle. But this is raising some complicated questions in the home of Brexit itself. Brexit expresses the desire for independent self-government by a sovereign state based on the history, institutions and cultural ties that constitute a nation. Great Britain is actually a confederation of three ancient nations: England, Wales and Scotland. The UK is a super-confederation of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. So if national aspirations are now thought desirable for the UK, what about the national aspirations of its constituent parts? Do all national identities have equal status? What happens when one is in direct competition with another?

Scotland says it is a nation. Republicans in Northern Ireland say Britain dismembered their nation of Ireland which they want to unify again. Are these claims to national identity valid? If so, where does that leave the UK?

These questions are now starting to take centre stage in Britain. In Scotland, which voted in a referendum in 2014 to stay in the UK, the Scottish nationalist leader Nicola Sturgeon is demanding a second independence referendum on the grounds that, contrary to the English, the Scottish people voted last June to remain in the EU by 62% to 38%. In Northern Ireland, a surge by the nationalists to within one seat of the Unionists after a divisive Northern Ireland Assembly election has revived the spectre of a united Ireland – the reunification of the north with the Irish republic south of the border. And this is now being given a further rhetorical push by the jubilant nationalists on the grounds that the people of Northern Ireland also voted to remain in the EU.

It’s strange, isn’t it, that the Scottish and Northern Irish nationalists want to leave the UK in order to remain in Europe. In other words, they want to reclaim powers from Westminster in order to surrender them to Brussels. Of course they don’t see it like that. The EU, which concentrates power in Brussels while reducing nations to the status of provinces, is conversely regarded by weak nations and provinces as a way of boosting their status and income.

But what is a nation? The historians Linda Colley and Benedict Anderson famously declared the nation to be no more than an artificial construct or “imagined community.” In this post-modern formulation, the nation could therefore arbitrarily be either declared or dissolved.

The nation is not, however, artificial or imagined. It is solidly rooted in a group of people united by different things at different times: geography, language, law, religion, ethnicity, history, institutions, culture.

The UK is an extraordinarily complex web of identities: civic, ethnic, cultural, geographic. As the historian Jonathan Clark wrote in his book Our Shadowed Present: “Britain was not invented; it developed”.

The pattern of this development has been “the resilience of a diverse and plural system of identities”. Englishness, however, came to stand proxy for all the communities of the British Isles. Even Edmund Burke, although a loyal Irishman, wrote of himself as an Englishman rather than describe himself as British.

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Reply #1 - Mar 17th, 2017 at 8:59am
 
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Britain, by contrast, is an authentic unitary nation. It didn’t begin with the union with Scotland but as the British Isles, an island nation defending itself (or not) against invaders from across the seas. Throughout its history, it was beset by attempts at secession by tribes across Hadrian’s Wall and across the Irish Sea.

Last week the British Prime Minister, Theresa May, went to Scotland to deliver a passionate defence of the union and of Scotland remaining in the UK. She was promptly criticised for attacking the Scottish Nationalists for wanting to do to Britain precisely what she was doing to Europe: seceding on the grounds of independence. But this comparison doesn’t wash.

Britain is a nation with the right to rule itself. It is the EU which is the artificial construct, the imagined community which claims falsely for itself the hollow appurtenances of a nation. The EU therefore has no prior claim on its constituent nations which are under no obligation to remain.

By contrast, the UK is a nation which is governed as one united kingdom. Scotland has no right to rip it asunder if it wants to declare independence and secede from the union (which in any event is highly doubtful).

Faced with the contemporary resurgence of regional or tribal uprisings, it’s the ancient British Isles that must hold itself together to take its place once again as a sovereign nation in the wider world.


Being an island "state" also, Australia has evolved its own culture, even though the Multicultists and many "new" Australians deny it...  These people have come here under Muticulturalism where their cultural identity is given pre-emminence, they share the cultural elitism and cultural cringe with the so called Progressives and elitists and internationalists.  They all would see us as a cultural non-entity with no Australian values and no Australian culture.  They have pushed Multiculturalism in an effort to eradicate the Australian identity.
Bringing people here who cannot and will not assimilate is detrimental to our Australian society.
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Reply #2 - Mar 21st, 2017 at 10:28pm
 
Grendel wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 8:59am:
pt 2.
Being an island "state" also, Australia has evolved its own culture, even though the Multicultists and many "new" Australians deny it...  These people have come here under Muticulturalism where their cultural identity is given pre-emminence, they share the cultural elitism and cultural cringe with the so called Progressives and elitists and internationalists.  They all would see us as a cultural non-entity with no Australian values and no Australian culture.  They have pushed Multiculturalism in an effort to eradicate the Australian identity.
Bringing people here who cannot and will not assimilate is detrimental to our Australian society.


What always surprises me about your anti-Multiculturalist spews, Grendel is your ability to ignore the success stories of Multiculturalism to focus exclusively on the (relatively) few and often minor infractions you discover hiding under some blanket somewhere in the suburbs.   Just amazing when you consider that the only alternative offered by you and your fellow anti-Multiculturalists is invariably monoculturalism.  Where people are no longer allowed or encouraged to celebrate their unique cultural heritages.   No longer will they be allowed to wear their unique cultural dress or eat their unique cultural food.  No longer will they be allowed to speak their unique cultural language(s).   Everybody will dress the same, walk the same, speak the same, eat the same, and so on under your preferred regime.   Funny, you know, I grew up in a bland, boring and very uniform Australia.  Everybody looked the same, dressed the same, spoke the same, at the same three veg with their meat and then the 1960s arrived and everybody embraced Multiculturalism.  Only boring old farts like yourself muttered under your breaths while everybody else was enjoying themselves, being themselves.  Funny that.  The cat is out of the bag, Geoff.  Well and truly and I am watching with amusement while you try and catch them and herd them back into that bag...   Roll Eyes

What ever happened to the image of Australians as laconic, hard working people who let everybody get on with their own business?   All all such Australians dead and buried?  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes
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Reply #3 - Mar 25th, 2017 at 7:54am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 21st, 2017 at 10:28pm:
Grendel wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 8:59am:
pt 2.
Being an island "state" also, Australia has evolved its own culture, even though the Multicultists and many "new" Australians deny it...  These people have come here under Muticulturalism where their cultural identity is given pre-emminence, they share the cultural elitism and cultural cringe with the so called Progressives and elitists and internationalists.  They all would see us as a cultural non-entity with no Australian values and no Australian culture.  They have pushed Multiculturalism in an effort to eradicate the Australian identity.
Bringing people here who cannot and will not assimilate is detrimental to our Australian society.


What always surprises me about your anti-Multiculturalist spews, Grendel is your ability to ignore the success stories of Multiculturalism to focus exclusively on the (relatively) few and often minor infractions you discover hiding under some blanket somewhere in the suburbs.   Just amazing when you consider that the only alternative offered by you and your fellow anti-Multiculturalists is invariably monoculturalism.  Where people are no longer allowed or encouraged to celebrate their unique cultural heritages.   No longer will they be allowed to wear their unique cultural dress or eat their unique cultural food.  No longer will they be allowed to speak their unique cultural language(s).   Everybody will dress the same, walk the same, speak the same, eat the same, and so on under your preferred regime.   Funny, you know, I grew up in a bland, boring and very uniform Australia.  Everybody looked the same, dressed the same, spoke the same, at the same three veg with their meat and then the 1960s arrived and everybody embraced Multiculturalism.  Only boring old farts like yourself muttered under your breaths while everybody else was enjoying themselves, being themselves.  Funny that.  The cat is out of the bag, Geoff.  Well and truly and I am watching with amusement while you try and catch them and herd them back into that bag...   Roll Eyes

What ever happened to the image of Australians as laconic, hard working people who let everybody get on with their own business?   All all such Australians dead and buried?  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes

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You need to stop making stupid statements not backed by facts bwian.
It is the Australian character that has allowed Multiculti to exist as long as it has...  TOLERANCE, PATIENCE, OUR EASY GOING NATURE.  It hasn't all disappeared yet, but if you keep diluting it and polluting it by importing the less TOLERANT etc...  you will have defeated yourself completely and ruined what we have had.

No one wanted Multiculti bwian... 

No one needs Multiculti bwian...

Multiculturalism is not a national society, its cultural apatheid and makes a salad bowl out of our society.  It puts the emphasis on difference/diversity, not social cohesion, not integration, not assimilation.  Which is what we need for a harmonious society.  Tolerance bwian is not acceptance.

Oh and bwian how can you sit there and write the crap you just did...  you are clueless and didn't get a single point correct.  Why are you such a lying hypocrite bwian? Cheesy
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Reply #4 - Mar 25th, 2017 at 7:58am
 
Grendel wrote on Mar 25th, 2017 at 7:54am:
It is the Australian character that has allowed Multiculti to exist as long as it has...  TOLERANCE, PATIENCE, OUR EASY GOING NATURE.



yeah. ..... cause in all the other countries that don't have aussie characters, Multiculturalism has failed.  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #5 - Mar 25th, 2017 at 10:28am
 
Grendel wrote on Mar 25th, 2017 at 7:54am:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 21st, 2017 at 10:28pm:
Grendel wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 8:59am:
pt 2.
Being an island "state" also, Australia has evolved its own culture, even though the Multicultists and many "new" Australians deny it...  These people have come here under Muticulturalism where their cultural identity is given pre-emminence, they share the cultural elitism and cultural cringe with the so called Progressives and elitists and internationalists.  They all would see us as a cultural non-entity with no Australian values and no Australian culture.  They have pushed Multiculturalism in an effort to eradicate the Australian identity.
Bringing people here who cannot and will not assimilate is detrimental to our Australian society.


What always surprises me about your anti-Multiculturalist spews, Grendel is your ability to ignore the success stories of Multiculturalism to focus exclusively on the (relatively) few and often minor infractions you discover hiding under some blanket somewhere in the suburbs.   Just amazing when you consider that the only alternative offered by you and your fellow anti-Multiculturalists is invariably monoculturalism.  Where people are no longer allowed or encouraged to celebrate their unique cultural heritages.   No longer will they be allowed to wear their unique cultural dress or eat their unique cultural food.  No longer will they be allowed to speak their unique cultural language(s).   Everybody will dress the same, walk the same, speak the same, eat the same, and so on under your preferred regime.   Funny, you know, I grew up in a bland, boring and very uniform Australia.  Everybody looked the same, dressed the same, spoke the same, at the same three veg with their meat and then the 1960s arrived and everybody embraced Multiculturalism.  Only boring old farts like yourself muttered under your breaths while everybody else was enjoying themselves, being themselves.  Funny that.  The cat is out of the bag, Geoff.  Well and truly and I am watching with amusement while you try and catch them and herd them back into that bag...   Roll Eyes

What ever happened to the image of Australians as laconic, hard working people who let everybody get on with their own business?   All all such Australians dead and buried?  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes

Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
You need to stop making stupid statements not backed by facts bwian.
It is the Australian character that has allowed Multiculti to exist as long as it has...  TOLERANCE, PATIENCE, OUR EASY GOING NATURE.  It hasn't all disappeared yet, but if you keep diluting it and polluting it by importing the less TOLERANT etc...  you will have defeated yourself completely and ruined what we have had.

No one wanted Multiculti bwian... 

No one needs Multiculti bwian...

Multiculturalism is not a national society, its cultural apatheid and makes a salad bowl out of our society.  It puts the emphasis on difference/diversity, not social cohesion, not integration, not assimilation.  Which is what we need for a harmonious society.  Tolerance bwian is not acceptance.

Oh and bwian how can you sit there and write the crap you just did...  you are clueless and didn't get a single point correct.  Why are you such a lying hypocrite bwian? Cheesy

Like Turnbull and the rest of the luvvies keep saying...  WE ARE THE MOST SUCCESSFUL MULTICULTI COUNTRY IN THE WORLD... and this is because of the AUSTRALIAN CULTURE...  and Multiculturalism is slowly killing it off.
Governments keep wasting money on it, when it isn't needed, and they keep tweaking it because its flawed and continually needs propping up.

It should be abolished and we should simply use another settlement policy where being an Australian in Australia and living an Australian lifestyle in an Australian culture is the norm.  Otherwise you are simply creating further social disharmony through increasing diversity and watering down the Australian culture by SWAMPING us with other national/religious cultures.
The longer it goes on the worse it becomes... Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

You and your ilk make me sick bwian...  literally.
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Reply #6 - Mar 25th, 2017 at 4:12pm
 
Germany...
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The speech that followed, however, may have surprised supporters of her policies: "Multiculturalism leads to parallel societies and therefore remains a ‘life lie,’ ” or a sham, she said, before adding that Germany may be reaching its limits in terms of accepting more refugees. "The challenge is immense," she said. "We want and we will reduce the number of refugees noticeably."

Although those remarks may seem uncharacteristic of Merkel, she probably would insist that she was not contradicting herself. In fact, she was only repeating a sentiment she first voiced several years ago when she said multiculturalism in Germany had "utterly failed."

"Of course the tendency had been to say, 'Let's adopt the multicultural concept and live happily side by side, and be happy to be living with each other.' But this concept has failed, and failed utterly," she said in 2010.


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In comments The Guardian translated into English, Merkel said refugees will have to make an effort to assimilate into German society. She also dismissed the idea of multiculturalism, which in parts of Europe is associated with a policy of encouraging distinct cultural groups to live in separate communities.

“Those who seek refuge with us also have to respect our laws and traditions, and learn to speak German,” she said. “Multiculturalism leads to parallel societies, and therefore multiculturalism remains a grand delusion.”
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Reply #7 - Mar 25th, 2017 at 4:23pm
 
Netherlands.

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The Dutch government says it will abandon the long-standing model of multiculturalism that has encouraged Muslim immigrants to create a parallel society within the Netherlands.

A new integration bill (covering letter and 15-page action plan), which Dutch Interior Minister Piet Hein Donner presented to parliament on June 16, reads: "The government shares the social dissatisfaction over the multicultural society model and plans to shift priority to the values of the Dutch people. In the new integration system, the values of the Dutch society play a central role. With this change, the government steps away from the model of a multicultural society."


The letter continues: "A more obligatory integration is justified because the government also demands that from its own citizens. It is necessary because otherwise the society gradually grows apart and eventually no one feels at home anymore in the Netherlands. The integration will not be tailored to different groups."

The new integration policy will place more demands on immigrants. For example, immigrants will be required to learn the Dutch language, and the government will take a tougher approach to immigrants to ignore Dutch values or disobey Dutch law.

The government will also stop offering special subsidies for Muslim immigrants because, according to Donner, "it is not the government's job to integrate immigrants." The government will introduce new legislation that outlaws forced marriages and will also impose tougher measures against Muslim immigrants who lower their chances of employment by the way they dress. More specifically, the government will impose a ban on face-covering Islamic burqas as of January 1, 2013.

If necessary, the government will introduce extra measures to allow the removal of residence permits from immigrants who fail their integration course.

The measures are being imposed by the new center-right government of Conservatives (VVD) and Christian Democrats (CDA), with parliamentary support from the anti-Islam Freedom Party (PVV), whose leader, Geert Wilders, is currently on trial in Amsterdam for "inciting hatred" against Muslims.

As expected, Muslim organizations in Holland have been quick to criticize the proposals. The Moroccan-Dutch organization Samenwerkingsverband van Marokkaanse Nederlanders, which advises the government on integration matters, argues that Muslim immigrants need extra support to find a job. The umbrella Muslim group Contactorgaan Moslims en Overheid says that although it agrees that immigrants should be better integrated into Dutch society, it is opposed to a ban on burqas.

But polls show that a majority of Dutch voters support the government's skepticism about multiculturalism. According to a Maurice de Hond poll published by the center-right newspaper Trouw on June 19, 74 percent of Dutch voters say immigrants should conform to Dutch values. Moreover, 83 percent of those polled support a ban on burqas in public spaces.

The proper integration of the more than one million Muslims now living in Holland has been a major political issue ever since 2002, when Dutch politician Pim Fortuyn was assassinated for his views on Muslim immigration, and since 2004, when Dutch filmmaker Theo van Gogh was stabbed to death for producing a movie that criticized Islam.

Muslim immigration to the Netherlands can be traced back to the 1960s and 1970s, when a blue collar labor shortage prompted the Dutch government to conclude recruitment agreements with countries like Algeria, Morocco, Tunisia and Turkey. In the 1980s and 1990s, Muslims also arrived in the Netherlands as asylum seekers and refugees, mainly from Afghanistan, Bosnia, Iran, Iraq, Pakistan and Somalia.

There are now an estimated 1.2 million Muslims in the Netherlands, which is equivalent to about 6 percent of the country's overall population. Moroccans and Turks comprise nearly two-thirds of all Muslims in the Netherlands. Most Muslims live in the four major cities of the country: Amsterdam, Rotterdam, The Hague and Utrecht.

As their numbers grow, Muslim immigrants have become increasingly more assertive in carving out a role for Islam within Dutch society. For example, a documentary aired by the television program Netwerk in June 2009 reported that Dutch law was being systematically undermined by the growth of Sharia justice in the Netherlands.

In December 2004, the Dutch Ministry of the Interior published a 60-page report titled From Dawa to Jihad. Prepared by the Dutch intelligence agency AIVD, the report says that the Netherlands is home to up to 50,000 radical Muslims whose key ideological aim is to target the Western way of life and to confront Western political, economic, and cultural domination.

The report concludes that Dutch society is poorly equipped to resist the threat of radical Islam because of "a culture of permissiveness" that has become synonymous with "closing one's eyes" to multiple transgressions of the law.


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It also exposes the growing cracks in the German chancellor's power base as her approval ratings plummet and members of her own movement begin to openly question her stance on immigration.

In an interview with newspaper Die Welt, Mr Scheuer raged: "We cannot tolerate a situation in which extremist views are imported from abroad. Europe must cultivate its own Islam.

“All imams need to be trained in Germany and share our core values.

“Those who are not integrated cannot stay here. We must put an end to this integration romance. Multiculturalism has failed. Those who are not integrated, must expect departure [from Germany].”
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Poland.

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In the aftermath of a devastating attack in Nice, France, Poland's interior minister, Mariusz Blaszczak, told reporters that the blame lay with the embrace of multiculturalism. “Have we not learned lessons from previous attacks in Paris and Brussels?" the Financial Times reported Blaszczak as saying. "This is a consequence of the policy of multicultural politics, and political correctness.”

A member of Poland's controversial right-wing Law and Justice Party, Blaszczak's point may be in bad taste. However, many around the world probably agree with it.


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Meanwhile, in Poland, 40 percent of the population said that diversity was a negative, while only 14 percent said it could be a positive and 33 percent said it made no difference. Hungary, Italy and Greece were the only countries with higher negative feelings toward diversity.

Conversely, in Poland, 66 percent had negative views of Muslims, while only 19 percent said they had positive views. Hungary and Italy were the only countries with more negative views — 72 percent and 69 percent, respectively.
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Reply #10 - Mar 25th, 2017 at 7:22pm
 
Britain.

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British Prime Minister David Cameron declared: “Europe needs to wake up to what is happening in our own countries… We’ve even tolerated these segregated communities behaving in ways that run completely counter to our values.”


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David Cameron launched a devastating attack today on 30 years of multiculturalism in Britain, warning it is fostering extremist ideology and directly contributing to home-grown Islamic terrorism.

Signalling a radical departure from the strategies of previous governments, Mr Cameron said that Britain must adopt a policy of "muscular liberalism" to enforce the values of equality, law and freedom of speech across all parts of society.

He warned Muslim groups that if they fail to endorse women's rights or promote integration, they will lose all government funding. All immigrants to Britain must speak English and schools will be expected to teach the country's common culture.

Mr Cameron blamed a doctrine of "state multiculturalism" which encourages different cultures to live separate lives. This, he says, has led to the "failure of some to confront the horrors of forced marriage". But he added it is also the root cause of radicalisation which can lead to terrorism.
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As I have told you numerous times before, Geoff, "Multiculturalism" is a label.  What lies underneath it various greatly from country to country as a policy.  The mechanisms by which it is adopted and maintained are different as well.   German Multiculturalism is different to Police Multiculturalism compared to French, UK, American and Australian versions of the same name.   You cannot apply lessons from other jurisdictions to Australia because Australian policies and mechanism have been very different to those other nations.

Of course to you, its the label that matters so much more than the reality, isn't it, Geoff?

As for "no one wanting Multiculturalism" the only party that has ever run with an anti-Multiculturalism policy did how well when it ran in 1998?  The PHONies proved that they were unpopular.   Each of the other political parties has run with a Multicultural policy since it was adopted in what, 1972?   None of them has used anti-Multiculturalism as a policy.  Only the PHONies did and we all know how well they went in 1998 and since, now don't we?  How many votes did they get in WA again?  Tsk, tsk.  Stop with your bullshit, please.   Roll Eyes
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Reply #12 - Mar 26th, 2017 at 7:03am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 25th, 2017 at 9:19pm:
As I have told you numerous times before, Geoff, "Multiculturalism" is a label. 
It's a settlement policy here bwian...  not a label.


What lies underneath it various greatly from country to country as a policy. 
Wrong bwian...  The concept is almost exactly the same everywhere.  The out comes are almost the same everywhere.  YOU are simply in denial.


The mechanisms by which it is adopted and maintained are different as well. 
Yes we prop it up with billions and ridicule and call people racists who speak against it.


German Multiculturalism is different to Police Multiculturalism compared to French, UK, American and Australian versions of the same name.   You cannot apply lessons from other jurisdictions to Australia because Australian policies and mechanism have been very different to those other nations.
Slight variations and always the same outcomes bwian only politicians and LW Progs force their fellow countrymen to tolerate the flawed failure that it actually is.


Of course to you, its the label that matters so much more than the reality, isn't it, Geoff?
No bwian, as always you get it wrong.  YOU are thicker than a brick.  I want the policy abandoned.


As for "no one wanting Multiculturalism" the only party that has ever run with an anti-Multiculturalism policy did how well when it ran in 1998? 
It started earlier bwian with Fraser bit has never run well, it is continually being tweaked and has cost us billions that could have been better spent.


The PHONies proved that they were unpopular. 
The PHON started in 1997 bwian and they were attacked by idiots that called them racist when culture does not equal race...  you were and are one of those obsessive idiots bwian.


Each of the other political parties has run with a Multicultural policy since it was adopted in what, 1972?  None of them has used anti-Multiculturalism as a policy. 
More fool them bwian, perhaps they didn't like the idea of being labelled racists and took the cowards way out.  Most of them like YOU bwian don't even know what Multiculturalism means.


Only the PHONies did and we all know how well they went in 1998 and since, now don't we?  How many votes did they get in WA again?  Tsk, tsk.  Stop with your bullshit, please. 
The only bullshit here is the stuff you write bwian... You've forgotten the poll where 93% of Australians voted against Multiculti in a poll haven't you...  the only properly worded poll ever held on it.  Current Affair the most popular show of its kind at the time asked "Should Multiculturalism end" from a pool of over 35,000 votes, (the largest ever taken), the result was 93% YES.
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Beautifully written rubbish is still rubbish.
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Dnarever wrote on Mar 26th, 2017 at 7:12am:
Beautifully written rubbish is still rubbish.

Prove it....  you will be shot down though....  totally. Cheesy
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