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Re: Australia First
Reply #15 - Mar 9^th, 2017 at 6:43pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 9^th, 2017 at 9:21am:

Grendel wrote on Mar 9^th, 2017 at 7:22am:

Really gandalf that's a pretty stupid argument.
try another strawman, that might work better. Cheesy

whats stupid - to say we don't have freedom of speech?

why don't you go stand on Pitt St and yell at the top of your voice you want all muslims to die. Or walk into a police station and tell them you intend to blow them up. Lets see how free you are then.

Isn't that a bit like when Muslims hold up sign saying behead those who insult the prophet? I believe you were among those insist we should deny them their right to promote this aspect of Shariah law. I expect it undermines your efforts to promote Islamic reform among non-Muslims.

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Reply #16 - Mar 10^th, 2017 at 6:29am

freediver wrote on Mar 9^th, 2017 at 6:43pm:

I believe you were among those insist we should deny them their right to promote this aspect of Shariah law. I expect it undermines your efforts to promote Islamic reform among non-Muslims.

We should deny people the 'right' to threaten violence. And we usually do. Not sure how that undermines reform efforts.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 50569 At my desk.	Re: Australia First Reply #17 - Mar 10^th, 2017 at 6:37pm Does that mean we should ban the Koran because people are threatened by its promotion of terrorism? Muslims holding up signs saying behead people who insult the prophet undermine your efforts to reform the image of Islam among non-Muslims.
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Reply #18 - Mar 10^th, 2017 at 9:18pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 10^th, 2017 at 6:29am:

freediver wrote on Mar 9^th, 2017 at 6:43pm:

I believe you were among those insist we should deny them their right to promote this aspect of Shariah law. I expect it undermines your efforts to promote Islamic reform among non-Muslims.

We should deny people the 'right' to threaten violence. And we usually do. Not sure how that undermines reform efforts.

They know you are insincere so they ignore you.

We all see it.

You see it. You are just insincere and we all know it - them, us, everyone.

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Reply #19 - Mar 10^th, 2017 at 10:22pm

Frank wrote on Mar 10^th, 2017 at 9:18pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 10^th, 2017 at 6:29am:

freediver wrote on Mar 9^th, 2017 at 6:43pm:

I believe you were among those insist we should deny them their right to promote this aspect of Shariah law. I expect it undermines your efforts to promote Islamic reform among non-Muslims.

We should deny people the 'right' to threaten violence. And we usually do. Not sure how that undermines reform efforts.

They know you are insincere so they ignore you.

We all see it.

You see it. You are just insincere and we all know it - them, us, everyone.

We're all friends here, no?

Comparative religion 101, innit.

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Australia First Reply #20 - Mar 12^th, 2017 at 8:53am No... No.... Now stop being stupid... another reason friendship is beyond you. We live in a secular democracy in a largely Christian country. Most Christians live capably within that... without allowing their religious beliefs to interfere in their everyday transactions with others etc. Muslims do not. Please explain?
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Reply #21 - Mar 17^th, 2017 at 9:19pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 8^th, 2017 at 7:04pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 8^th, 2017 at 6:45pm:

The 18C battle is about making hate speech acceptable, not protecting free speech[/url] Roll Eyes

Whats the difference?

Our society doesn't protect free speech - never has.

The Australian Constitution does not explicitly protect freedom of expression. However, the High Court has held that an implied freedom of political communication exists as an indispensible part of the system of representative and responsible government created by the Constitution. It operates as a freedom from government restraint, rather than a right conferred directly on individuals.

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Re: Australia First
Reply #22 - Mar 18^th, 2017 at 8:24am

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 10^th, 2017 at 6:29am:

freediver wrote on Mar 9^th, 2017 at 6:43pm:

I believe you were among those insist we should deny them their right to promote this aspect of Shariah law. I expect it undermines your efforts to promote Islamic reform among non-Muslims.

We should deny people the 'right' to threaten violence. And we usually do. Not sure how that undermines reform efforts.

Really... I don't recall any Muslims at the Sydney riot/protest admonishing their fellow Muslims for what they were doing. Cheesy

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Reply #23 - Mar 18^th, 2017 at 8:33am

Grendel wrote on Mar 18^th, 2017 at 8:24am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 10^th, 2017 at 6:29am:

freediver wrote on Mar 9^th, 2017 at 6:43pm:

I believe you were among those insist we should deny them their right to promote this aspect of Shariah law. I expect it undermines your efforts to promote Islamic reform among non-Muslims.

We should deny people the 'right' to threaten violence. And we usually do. Not sure how that undermines reform efforts.

Really... I don't recall any Muslims at the Sydney riot/protest admonishing their fellow Muslims for what they were doing. Cheesy

Then you must have been living in a cave.

The national council of Imams called a press conference the next day to condemn it.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #24 - Mar 18^th, 2017 at 8:54am

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 8^th, 2017 at 7:12pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 8^th, 2017 at 7:09pm:

That is why Gandalf is afraid to list all the things he is not allowed to say.

Am I?

lets start with 'fire' in the cinema..

Then proceed directly to: Mohamed's God was a figment of his imagination, and the Koran is not the word of God. Brave enough to state that?

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Reply #25 - Mar 18^th, 2017 at 9:02am

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 18^th, 2017 at 8:33am:

Grendel wrote on Mar 18^th, 2017 at 8:24am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 10^th, 2017 at 6:29am:

freediver wrote on Mar 9^th, 2017 at 6:43pm:

I believe you were among those insist we should deny them their right to promote this aspect of Shariah law. I expect it undermines your efforts to promote Islamic reform among non-Muslims.

We should deny people the 'right' to threaten violence. And we usually do. Not sure how that undermines reform efforts.

Really... I don't recall any Muslims at the Sydney riot/protest admonishing their fellow Muslims for what they were doing. Cheesy

Then you must have been living in a cave.

The national council of Imams called a press conference the next day to condemn it.

2 points....
1/ you did not refute my point so it still stands there were no Muslims there on the day admonishing their fellow muslims.
2/ According to many Muslims the Imams and so called leaders do not speak for them.

Sorry...

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Re: Australia First
Reply #26 - Mar 18^th, 2017 at 9:08am

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 18^th, 2017 at 8:33am:

Grendel wrote on Mar 18^th, 2017 at 8:24am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 10^th, 2017 at 6:29am:

freediver wrote on Mar 9^th, 2017 at 6:43pm:

I believe you were among those insist we should deny them their right to promote this aspect of Shariah law. I expect it undermines your efforts to promote Islamic reform among non-Muslims.

We should deny people the 'right' to threaten violence. And we usually do. Not sure how that undermines reform efforts.

Really... I don't recall any Muslims at the Sydney riot/protest admonishing their fellow Muslims for what they were doing. Cheesy

Then you must have been living in a cave.

The national council of Imams called a press conference the next day to condemn it.

Is that how we "usually" deny people rights? By Muslims holding a press conference?

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Australia First Reply #27 - Mar 18^th, 2017 at 10:08am no. Any other stupid questions?
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 50569 At my desk.	Re: Australia First Reply #28 - Mar 18^th, 2017 at 10:35am Should we deny people the right to publish the Koran because it threatens violence?
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