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Scientists ask Trump to leave UN Climate pact
Feb 25th, 2017 at 1:37pm
 
Hundreds of scientists urge Trump to withdraw from U.N. climate-change agency

MIT’s Richard Lindzen says policies cause economic harm with ‘no environmental benefits’

By Valerie Richardson - The Washington Times - Thursday, February 23, 2017




More than 300 scientists have urged President Trump to withdraw from the U.N.’s climate change agency, warning that its push to curtail carbon dioxide threatens to exacerbate poverty without improving the environment.
In a Thursday letter to the president, MIT professor emeritus Richard Lindzen called on the United States and other nations to “change course on an outdated international agreement that targets minor greenhouse gases,” starting with carbon dioxide.

“Since 2009, the US and other governments have undertaken actions with respect to global climate that are not scientifically justified and that already have, and will continue to cause serious social and economic harm — with no environmental benefits,” said Mr. Lindzen, a prominent atmospheric physicist.


Signers of the attached petition include the U.S. and international atmospheric scientists, meteorologists, physicists, professors and others taking issue with the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change [UNFCCC], which was formed in 1992 to combat “dangerous” climate change.
The 2016 Paris climate accord, which sets nonbinding emissions goals for nations, was drawn up under the auspices of the UNFCCC.

“Observations since the UNFCCC was written 25 years ago show that warming from increased atmospheric CO2 will be benign — much less than initial model predictions,” says the petition

Mr. Trump said during the campaign he would “cancel” U.S. participation in the Paris Agreement, which was ratified in September by former President Barack Obama over the objections of Senate Republicans, who argued that the accord requires Senate ratification under the U.S. Constitution.
Myron Ebell, a Competitive Enterprise Institute scholar who led the Trump transition team on the Environmental Protection Agency, told reporters last month in London that the president would pull out of the Paris Agreement.

Advocates for climate change policies have called for Mr. Trump to honor the agreement, under which nations agree to enact policies to keep the increase in global temperatures this century under 2 degrees Celsius from pre-industrial levels.

Last week the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops reaffirmed its support for the Paris Agreement in a letter to Secretary of State Rex W. Tillerson, saying the agreement is “urgently needed if we are to meet our common and differentiated responsibilities for the effects of climate change.”

More than 700 companies and investors have signed onto a statement urging Mr. Trump to abide by the Paris accord coordinated by nine environmental groups, including the American Sustainable Business Council, the Environmental Defense Fund and the World Wildlife Fund.

“Failure to build a low-carbon economy puts American prosperity at risk. But the right action now will create jobs and boost US competitiveness,” said the statement on LowCarbonUSA.org. “We pledge to do our part, in our own operations and beyond, to realize the Paris Agreement’s commitment of a global economy that limits global temperature rise to well below 2 degrees Celsius.”

Challenging the catastrophic climate change narrative, Mr. Lindzen describes carbon dioxide as “plant food, not poison.”

“Restricting access to fossil fuels has very negative effects upon the wellbeing of people around the world,” he says in his letter.

“It condemns over 4 billion people in still underdeveloped countries to continued poverty.”
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Re: Scientists ask Trump to leave UN Climate pact
Reply #1 - Feb 25th, 2017 at 1:56pm
 
Oh gawd, not the plant food nonsense again!

Bet all those “scientists” work for Exxon or the like.
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Reply #2 - Feb 25th, 2017 at 2:16pm
 
An Emeritus Professor at MIT has to have some cred, no?
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Reply #3 - Feb 25th, 2017 at 2:24pm
 
What is a he a professor of, bulldust?

This is all crap, Boges. Real scientists know greenhouse gases do act in the atmosphere like a greenhouse. Sorry.

Not only that, too much CO2 is not good for plants, nor are the higher night time temperatures too much CO2 etc in the atmosphere brings.

It is tripe, a political not a scientific thing, to give Trumpy the bare minimum credibility for what he wants to do anyway.
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Reply #4 - Feb 25th, 2017 at 2:38pm
 
What a great idea...so much wasted on climate change

You want to see what determines everything about Climate Change? Look up in the sky - it's called the Sun

And it will determine everything there is about the Earth's future be it good or bad
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Reply #5 - Feb 25th, 2017 at 2:45pm
 
bogarde73 wrote on Feb 25th, 2017 at 2:16pm:
An Emeritus Professor at MIT has to have some cred, no?


Why ?

He isn't at MIT ?

It just means that they let him keep his title after being pensioned off.
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Reply #6 - Feb 25th, 2017 at 2:50pm
 
Scientists ask Trump to leave UN Climate pact

And immediately 4 X as many scientists asked him to stay.
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Reply #7 - Feb 25th, 2017 at 4:25pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Feb 25th, 2017 at 2:24pm:
Real scientists know greenhouse gases do act in the atmosphere like a greenhouse



Describe the cooling effect of convection in a greenhouse. You know one of those things typically glass roof, glass walls, sealed.
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Reply #8 - Feb 25th, 2017 at 4:30pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Feb 25th, 2017 at 2:24pm:
too much CO2 is not good for plants



How much is too much? Greenhouses typically use up to 1500ppm, over three times current levels.

http://fifthseasongardening.com/regulating-carbon-dioxide

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Reply #9 - Feb 25th, 2017 at 4:35pm
 
And how can a change to clean energy cause more poverty? Solar is cheaper than coal. Coal mining and burning coal causes death to miners every year and kills those in the area where coal is being mined and burned.

A nonsense—a political ploy to give (threadbare) scientific credibility to what Trump wants to do anyway.

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Reply #10 - Feb 25th, 2017 at 5:11pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Feb 25th, 2017 at 4:35pm:
And how can a change to clean energy cause more poverty? Solar is cheaper than coal. Coal mining and burning coal causes death to miners every year and kills those in the area where coal is being mined and burned.

A nonsense—a political ploy to give (threadbare) scientific credibility to what Trump wants to do anyway.



There is a place known as 'reality'.....consider visiting once in a while, you really need to.
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Reply #11 - Feb 25th, 2017 at 5:16pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Feb 25th, 2017 at 4:35pm:
Solar is cheaper than coal.



In what universe?
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Reply #12 - Feb 25th, 2017 at 5:52pm
 
BTW- the Climate council video is now online. Abso-bloody-lutely no data.

http://www.climatecouncil.org.au/renewables-clean-and-cheaper-than-coal

Although they say solar costs have dropped 58% in five years, they don't say what it was and what it is now.

More like a self-interest advocacy group than a scientific group.
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Reply #13 - Feb 25th, 2017 at 6:05pm
 
Rider wrote on Feb 25th, 2017 at 5:11pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Feb 25th, 2017 at 4:35pm:
And how can a change to clean energy cause more poverty? Solar is cheaper than coal. Coal mining and burning coal causes death to miners every year and kills those in the area where coal is being mined and burned.

A nonsense—a political ploy to give (threadbare) scientific credibility to what Trump wants to do anyway.



There is a place known as 'reality'.....consider visiting once in a while, you really need to.

People get respiratory diseases from coal dust and soot. Coal is dirty in many ways, not just the CO2 pollution.

And solar is cheaper than coal. Why do you think banks, investors are increasingly distancing themselves from coal projects? Because they will be stranded assets in not that much time.
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Re: Scientists ask Trump to leave UN Climate pact
Reply #14 - Feb 25th, 2017 at 6:48pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Feb 25th, 2017 at 6:05pm:
And solar is cheaper than coal.


Perhaps you are talking about economic cost rather than cost?
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