polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 30^th, 2018 at 6:33pm:


I can well imagine the over-45s, the quiet lifers, who are 'spiritual' and sit in cafes andd say their prayers and harm no-one to be harmless. I can also imagine that they are put out to pasture and make absolutely no difference to islam's direction.

The young ones - i would not trust them for a minute unless they have made some obvious sacrifice to modernity. Talk is cheap and I would not take a Muslim at his word considering their taqiyya.

On the whole I do not believe Muslims when what they say is not backed up by their actions. Your landscape of morality, truth, honourableness, dignity, etc, are very different to Western notions of these things. Islam is an alien, eastern civilisation, like the Chinese, Hindu, Buddhist, and many others. First principles are not shared and cannot be assumed to be shared. Subsequent talk goes off the rails because of that. You inhabit a reality I do not share and do not want to share because what I see of it from my perspective it is a hideous violation and degradation of most of my first  principles. As a Muslim adherent to the Koran you live in perpetual revolt against my first principles. You have no other reason to be a Muslim but to revolt against me (christian, western, atheist, secular, other-godly, godless, flippant, unpious, etc, etc) . That's what Islam is - a revolt of the pious. That's all you have, piety. It's idiotic, rigid, mechanical piety. Inhumane, robotic, stark staring piety. it's a lot easier to be a robotic, non-thinking dogmatic than to make yourselves open to criticism and to make yourselves vulnerable to refutation.
Islam is an honour culture and making yourselves vulnerable and open to criticism is not an option. Any criticism and exposure of your vulnerability drives you, Muslims, to murderous rage.

You are emotional cripples who have never grown up. The BIBI protest in deeply unhappy Pakiland show that. You are stunted because you are locked into a world that disappeared 1400 years ago and you want to return to the ideals of that long-gone time and place. Islam is a misunderstanding of pretty much everything. That's why it is in perpetual revolt against whatever IS.

Pakistani Australians tend to be urban, well-educated, and professional.[7][10] Most of them migrate from large cities like Karachi, Lahore, Islamabad, Rawalpindi, Hyderabad and Peshawar, and tend to be familiar with Western culture and ways of living. According to the Department of Immigration and Border Protection, around 50 percent of Pakistani-born Australians hold an undergraduate degree or higher qualification, compared to the national average of 20 percent.[10] Similarly, 52 percent of Pakistanis fall within the age bracket of 25 to 44 years. Occupationally, 29 percent of Pakistanis are employed as professionals, 10 percent are in managerial roles, 12 percent are involved in clerical and administration roles, another 12 percent are involved in community work and personal services, nine percent are sales workers, while 13 percent are drivers/machine operators, 8 percent are labourers and 7 percent are tradespeople

So thats a no is it Frank? You've never actually known any Pakistani Australians?

Funny, all the one's I've met are shining examples of the integrated immigrant - well educated, secular, progressive - and most disdainful and embarassed of the numpties back at home who call for the death of blasphemers.

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 7^th, 2018 at 9:05pm:

Irish lecturer John Dowling had allegedly ‘insulted the Prophet Mohammed' beforebeing murdered in cold blood outside the Paris university where he taught, his killer has told French police.

The 66-year-old academic suffered 13 stab wounds during the bloodbath at which ended his life on Wednesday.


Now Ali R. – the Pakistani national under arrest for the killing – has confessed that he held a personal grudge against the teacher after failing his exams last year, and particularly hated Mr Dowling.




GETTIN' A DEGREE, innit. Educated, like.

Pakistani Australians tend to be urban, well-educated, and professional.[7][10] Most of them migrate from large cities like Karachi, Lahore, Islamabad, Rawalpindi, Hyderabad and Peshawar, and tend to be familiar with Western culture and ways of living. According to the Department of Immigration and Border Protection, around 50 percent of Pakistani-born Australians hold an undergraduate degree or higher qualification, compared to the national average of 20 percent.[10] Similarly, 52 percent of Pakistanis fall within the age bracket of 25 to 44 years. Occupationally, 29 percent of Pakistanis are employed as professionals, 10 percent are in managerial roles, 12 percent are involved in clerical and administration roles, another 12 percent are involved in community work and personal services, nine percent are sales workers, while 13 percent are drivers/machine operators, 8 percent are labourers and 7 percent are tradespeople

Frank wrote on Dec 11^th, 2018 at 7:56pm:


Its becoming ever clearer to me what karnal meant by your "never ever" argument. Its when you start with an utterly untenable position - in this case, that Pakistani Australians don't want to integrate and are incompatible with our culture, and then descend into your usual meaningless "Islam, never-ever" rant when your untenable position is exposed, that actually has nothing to do with the original position.