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miketrees Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6488 Gender:	Re: liberty, democracy, capitalism in new curriculum Reply #30 - Feb 26^th, 2017 at 12:23pm So the French should have simply chosen a gradual British-style transition to liberal democracy? No, I think the other royal families from Europe may have intervened given time
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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 47369 At my desk.	Re: liberty, democracy, capitalism in new curriculum Reply #31 - Feb 26^th, 2017 at 12:39pm Intervened how? To stop the French monarchy slaughtering the slow and dimwitted reformers?
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Postmodern Trendoid III Gold Member Offline Posts: 10259 Gender:	Re: liberty, democracy, capitalism in new curriculum Reply #32 - Feb 26^th, 2017 at 1:13pm freediver wrote on Feb 26^th, 2017 at 12:14pm: So the French should have simply chosen a gradual British-style transition to liberal democracy? It could have been done with less bloodshed.
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Postmodern Trendoid III Gold Member Offline Posts: 10259 Gender:	Re: liberty, democracy, capitalism in new curriculum Reply #33 - Feb 26^th, 2017 at 1:16pm What's the fascination with liberal democracy anyway?
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miketrees Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6488 Gender:	Re: liberty, democracy, capitalism in new curriculum Reply #34 - Feb 26^th, 2017 at 3:10pm Intervened how? To stop the French monarchy slaughtering the slow and dimwitted reformers? No, they would have assisted the French Monarchy slaughtering the peasants
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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 47369 At my desk.	Re: liberty, democracy, capitalism in new curriculum Reply #35 - Feb 26^th, 2017 at 5:54pm Quote: It could have been done with less bloodshed. It could have also failed completely. How much blodsheed do you think would have been "just enough"? Quote: What's the fascination with liberal democracy anyway? Perhaps they realise it has revolutionised the world.
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Mattyfisk Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 92296 Gender:	Re: liberty, democracy, capitalism in new curriculum Reply #36 - Feb 26^th, 2017 at 6:01pm Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 26^th, 2017 at 1:16pm: What's the fascination with liberal democracy anyway? Oh, I think historians like to look back fondly on it, Mistie. So weak and self-loathing, I know.
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Postmodern Trendoid III Gold Member Offline Posts: 10259 Gender:	Re: liberty, democracy, capitalism in new curriculum Reply #37 - Feb 26^th, 2017 at 9:55pm freediver wrote on Feb 26^th, 2017 at 5:54pm: It could have also failed completely. How much blodsheed do you think would have been "just enough"? dunno. it's your story. Quote: Perhaps they realise it has revolutionised the world. in some respects.
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Reply #38 - Feb 27^th, 2017 at 8:24pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 26^th, 2017 at 9:55pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 26^th, 2017 at 5:54pm:

It could have also failed completely. How much blodsheed do you think would have been "just enough"?

dunno. it's your story.

You are the one pretending they had a choice about how much blood they had to shed, not me. If you want to retract it, just retract it. I can't do that for you.

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Perhaps they realise it has revolutionised the world.

in some respects.

Important ones? Like freedom and democracy? Or are these concepts just distractions from your fascination with shifting borders?

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Reply #39 - Feb 27^th, 2017 at 9:04pm

freediver wrote on Feb 27^th, 2017 at 8:24pm:

You are the one pretending they had a choice about how much blood they had to shed, not me. If you want to retract it, just retract it. I can't do that for you.

you brought choice into it.
do you have military experience on overthrowing governments, or should I say, monarchies?

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Important ones? Like freedom and democracy? Or are these concepts just distractions from your fascination with shifting borders?

dafuq?

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Reply #40 - Feb 27^th, 2017 at 9:06pm

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Britain never had a French style revolution but ended up being wealthier. While there's no doubt that the Revolution did spawn ideas on freedom, equality and liberty - as we see them today - the amount of blood spilled in order to establish them with the totalitarian style of Robespierre and the Jacobins is highly questionable. Britain did it relatively peacefully by enacting small incremental changes in rights over time.

This is you. I have asked you several times whether you are suggesting choice on their part or not. You cannot seem to make up your mind.

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Postmodern Trendoid III Gold Member Offline Posts: 10259 Gender:	Re: liberty, democracy, capitalism in new curriculum Reply #41 - Feb 27^th, 2017 at 9:09pm i answered that in reply 28.
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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 47369 At my desk.	Re: liberty, democracy, capitalism in new curriculum Reply #42 - Feb 27^th, 2017 at 9:15pm OK, so you are the one going on about the "questionable" amount of blood shed by the French revolutionaries. You are the one saying they had a choice in the matter. But it is my story and I have to explain it to you?
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Postmodern Trendoid III Gold Member Offline Posts: 10259 Gender:	Re: liberty, democracy, capitalism in new curriculum Reply #43 - Feb 27^th, 2017 at 9:22pm as indicated, Robespierre and the jacobins have extremist mindsets and are mass murderers. that isn't even my main beef with the revolution. my main beef was, as indicated, that the emphasis on equality begat and validated resentment based politics.
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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 47369 At my desk.	Re: liberty, democracy, capitalism in new curriculum Reply #44 - Feb 27^th, 2017 at 9:28pm Do you think we should discard concepts like equality before the law to get people to stop whining? What exactly are you complaining about?
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