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Feb 21st, 2017 at 1:14pm
 
So we're extolling the virtues of Aboriginals because they managed to pick up bits of broken glass and realised they were sharp and they could cut things with them.


The glass shows that Aboriginal people were here and were utilising new materials, changing their technology, their technique of making artifacts


Hang on what, new materials? Oh yeah, new materials to Aboriginals Smiley

I'd be impressed if they found pieces of glass, ground them to precision, put them inside a didgeridoo and used their brand new high power telescope to discover a new moon of Jupiter.   Cheesy

Finding a piece of glass on the ground and using it to cut things, I'd be impressed if a bonobo did that. Not a human.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-02-21/artefacts-show-coexistence-between-aborigi...
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Reply #1 - Feb 21st, 2017 at 1:32pm
 
O.M.G

Are we really going down that path.
Genuflecting to some primitives who picked up a dit of discarded glass and calling it evolutionary advancement.

The next thing will be us extolling the skill and adaptability of Aboriginals in being able to use a toilet and mobile phone.

It just goes to show how little this culture realy has to offer.
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Valkie wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 1:32pm:
O.M.G

Are we really going down that path.
Genuflecting to some primitives who picked up a dit of discarded glass and calling it evolutionary advancement.

The next thing will be us extolling the skill and adaptability of Aboriginals in being able to use a toilet and mobile phone.

It just goes to show how little this culture realy has to offer.


I'm not having a go at Abos here, but THIS is TRUE racism, the soft bigotry of lowered expectations.
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Reply #3 - Feb 21st, 2017 at 1:49pm
 
Valkie wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 1:32pm:
O.M.G

Are we really going down that path.
Genuflecting to some primitives who picked up a dit of discarded glass and calling it evolutionary advancement.

The next thing will be us extolling the skill and adaptability of Aboriginals in being able to use a toilet and mobile phone.

It just goes to show how little this culture realy has to offer.


Yes ... they even had Universities, ran export & import businesses and built stone houses/towns/a city

on a remote island off the West Australian coast.

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Reply #4 - Feb 21st, 2017 at 2:21pm
 
Gordon wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 1:38pm:
Valkie wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 1:32pm:
O.M.G

Are we really going down that path.
Genuflecting to some primitives who picked up a dit of discarded glass and calling it evolutionary advancement.

The next thing will be us extolling the skill and adaptability of Aboriginals in being able to use a toilet and mobile phone.

It just goes to show how little this culture realy has to offer.


I'm not having a go at Abos here, but THIS is TRUE racism, the soft bigotry of lowered expectations.




Lol the classic but statement. I'm not racist or sexist or homophobic or having a go, but
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Reply #5 - Feb 21st, 2017 at 2:36pm
 
what tells them aboriginals used the glass??>.

can someone explain that??..

they know the glass was there because of settlers....but looking at those pieces doesnt tell me  a thing about aboriginals being the ones that used it??....
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Reply #6 - Feb 21st, 2017 at 2:37pm
 
Let me put this into perspective.

A more advanced culture throws away, discards, has no further use for some scrap material.
And a more primitive race pucks up this discarded rubbish and uses it, it is some sort of evidence of cultural advancement?

That means that those guys that recycle building materials and the homeless who use discarded stuff to build shelter are becoming more advanced?

Or is it that the bower bird is displaying even greater intellegence than our Aboriginals?
After all, it has been doing it for many many years.

There is also some birds that use sticks to dig out grubs and insects.
Can we even say that many bird species that use old abandoned containers and buildings are also more advanced than our Aboriginals?

Its a bloody stupid idea that using discarded materials is evidence of technological advancement.
More like clutching at straws if you ask me.
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Reply #7 - Feb 21st, 2017 at 2:45pm
 
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 2:21pm:
Gordon wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 1:38pm:
Valkie wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 1:32pm:
O.M.G

Are we really going down that path.
Genuflecting to some primitives who picked up a dit of discarded glass and calling it evolutionary advancement.

The next thing will be us extolling the skill and adaptability of Aboriginals in being able to use a toilet and mobile phone.

It just goes to show how little this culture realy has to offer.


I'm not having a go at Abos here, but THIS is TRUE racism, the soft bigotry of lowered expectations.




Lol the classic but statement. I'm not racist or sexist or homophobic or having a go, but


You misunderstood what I said. I'm having a go at the cultural revisionists who are elevating Aboriginal culture to something it just was not. They picked up bit of broken glass and realised it was sharp and they can use it. Big whoop.

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Jesus, you racists must really hate the Chinese then.

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Reply #9 - Feb 21st, 2017 at 3:12pm
 
Gordon wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 1:38pm:
Valkie wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 1:32pm:
O.M.G

Are we really going down that path.
Genuflecting to some primitives who picked up a dit of discarded glass and calling it evolutionary advancement.

The next thing will be us extolling the skill and adaptability of Aboriginals in being able to use a toilet and mobile phone.

It just goes to show how little this culture realy has to offer.


I'm not having a go at Abos here, but THIS is TRUE racism, the soft bigotry of lowered expectations.

I can't help but agree. It's a pathetic excuse for Journalism.
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Reply #10 - Feb 21st, 2017 at 5:50pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 3:02pm:
Jesus, you racists must really hate the Chinese then.


Just cannot imagine what they think of those great copyists, the Japanese.  They lifted their entire culture from a medieval one to a modern, industrial one in two generations.  How did they do it?  By copying European nations (most notably the UK, France and Germany)...  Today, how do you look down on Japanese technology?   I expect so, 'cause they have slanty eyes, right?

Racists are such fools.  Tsk, tsk.    Roll Eyes
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Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour.  Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #11 - Feb 21st, 2017 at 5:56pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 5:50pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 3:02pm:
Jesus, you racists must really hate the Chinese then.


Just cannot imagine what they think of those great copyists, the Japanese.  They lifted their entire culture from a medieval one to a modern, industrial one in two generations.  How did they do it?  By copying European nations (most notably the UK, France and Germany)...  Today, do you look down on Japanese technology?   I expect so, 'cause they have slanty eyes, right?

Racists are such fools.  Tsk, tsk.    Roll Eyes



Brian, they picked up a pieces of broken glass.   Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #12 - Feb 21st, 2017 at 5:59pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 3:02pm:
Jesus, you racists must really hate the Chinese then.



Why would the Chinese come into this discussion about Australian Aboriginals?
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Brian Ross wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 5:50pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 3:02pm:
Jesus, you racists must really hate the Chinese then.


Just cannot imagine what they think of those great copyists, the Japanese.  They lifted their entire culture from a medieval one to a modern, industrial one in two generations.  How did they do it?  By copying European nations (most notably the UK, France and Germany)...  Today, do you look down on Japanese technology?   I expect so, 'cause they have slanty eyes, right?

Racists are such fools.  Tsk, tsk.    Roll Eyes



You're complete tosser Brian

even the most primative Japanese culture was more advanced than the subject matter.

As were the Chinese.

And it's probably early European & Asian explorers that left broken glass that Aboriginals found.
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Reply #14 - Feb 21st, 2017 at 6:07pm
 
Gnads wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 6:02pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 5:50pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 3:02pm:
Jesus, you racists must really hate the Chinese then.


Just cannot imagine what they think of those great copyists, the Japanese.  They lifted their entire culture from a medieval one to a modern, industrial one in two generations.  How did they do it?  By copying European nations (most notably the UK, France and Germany)...  Today, do you look down on Japanese technology?   I expect so, 'cause they have slanty eyes, right?

Racists are such fools.  Tsk, tsk.    Roll Eyes



You're complete tosser Brian

even the most primative Japanese culture was more advanced than the subject matter.

As were the Chinese.

And it's probably early European & Asian explorers that left broken glass that Aboriginals found. 


At least 1000 years of fine sword manufacture.
Oh, and they could build multi level houses   Grin Grin
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Reply #15 - Feb 21st, 2017 at 6:19pm
 
Surely not?  Grin Grin
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Reply #16 - Feb 21st, 2017 at 6:39pm
 
Gordon wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 5:56pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 5:50pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 3:02pm:
Jesus, you racists must really hate the Chinese then.


Just cannot imagine what they think of those great copyists, the Japanese.  They lifted their entire culture from a medieval one to a modern, industrial one in two generations.  How did they do it?  By copying European nations (most notably the UK, France and Germany)...  Today, do you look down on Japanese technology?   I expect so, 'cause they have slanty eyes, right?

Racists are such fools.  Tsk, tsk.    Roll Eyes


Brian, they picked up a pieces of broken glass.   Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


And how did the Japanese start their foundries?  By picking up the equivalent of "broken glass"...

Just because a person has a different coloured skin does not make that person any more stupid than you are, Gordon.    Your racism is disgusting.   You are putting down your fellow Australians simply because they picked up and used broken glass?  Next you'll be telling us that because White, Colonial Anglo-Saxon/Celtic Australians "picked up" how to find water in the desert from Indigenous Australians, that makes the Colonials "primitive"?   That is the level of your racist thinking.   It is disgusting.  Absolutely disgusting.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #17 - Feb 21st, 2017 at 6:51pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 6:39pm:
Gordon wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 5:56pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 5:50pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 3:02pm:
Jesus, you racists must really hate the Chinese then.


Just cannot imagine what they think of those great copyists, the Japanese.  They lifted their entire culture from a medieval one to a modern, industrial one in two generations.  How did they do it?  By copying European nations (most notably the UK, France and Germany)...  Today, do you look down on Japanese technology?   I expect so, 'cause they have slanty eyes, right?

Racists are such fools.  Tsk, tsk.    Roll Eyes


Brian, they picked up a pieces of broken glass.   Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


And how did the Japanese start their foundries?  By picking up the equivalent of "broken glass"...

Just because a person has a different coloured skin does not make that person any more stupid than you are, Gordon.    Your racism is disgusting.   You are putting down your fellow Australians simply because they picked up and used broken glass?  Next you'll be telling us that because White, Colonial Anglo-Saxon/Celtic Australians "picked up" how to find water in the desert from Indigenous Australians, that makes the Colonials "primitive"?   That is the level of your racist thinking.   It is disgusting.  Absolutely disgusting.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


You've missed the point too.

They picked up broken glass and used it. Good on them.

I'm putting down the people who are extolling it as a major feat of technology.

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Reply #18 - Feb 21st, 2017 at 6:57pm
 
Gordon wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 6:51pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 6:39pm:
Gordon wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 5:56pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 5:50pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 3:02pm:
Jesus, you racists must really hate the Chinese then.


Just cannot imagine what they think of those great copyists, the Japanese.  They lifted their entire culture from a medieval one to a modern, industrial one in two generations.  How did they do it?  By copying European nations (most notably the UK, France and Germany)...  Today, do you look down on Japanese technology?   I expect so, 'cause they have slanty eyes, right?

Racists are such fools.  Tsk, tsk.    Roll Eyes


Brian, they picked up a pieces of broken glass.   Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


And how did the Japanese start their foundries?  By picking up the equivalent of "broken glass"...

Just because a person has a different coloured skin does not make that person any more stupid than you are, Gordon.    Your racism is disgusting.   You are putting down your fellow Australians simply because they picked up and used broken glass?  Next you'll be telling us that because White, Colonial Anglo-Saxon/Celtic Australians "picked up" how to find water in the desert from Indigenous Australians, that makes the Colonials "primitive"?   That is the level of your racist thinking.   It is disgusting.  Absolutely disgusting.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


You've missed the point too.

They picked up broken glass and used it. Good on them.

I'm putting down the people who are extolling it as a major feat of technology.


No, you are putting down Indigenous Australians for doing it, Gordon.  Your now trying to cover that up.  Your racism is disgusting.  Absolutely disgusting.   If you want to put down the people who are extolling this, then make that plain, don't attack the Indigenous Australians who did this.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #19 - Feb 21st, 2017 at 7:00pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 6:57pm:
Gordon wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 6:51pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 6:39pm:
Gordon wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 5:56pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 5:50pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 3:02pm:
Jesus, you racists must really hate the Chinese then.


Just cannot imagine what they think of those great copyists, the Japanese.  They lifted their entire culture from a medieval one to a modern, industrial one in two generations.  How did they do it?  By copying European nations (most notably the UK, France and Germany)...  Today, do you look down on Japanese technology?   I expect so, 'cause they have slanty eyes, right?

Racists are such fools.  Tsk, tsk.    Roll Eyes


Brian, they picked up a pieces of broken glass.   Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


And how did the Japanese start their foundries?  By picking up the equivalent of "broken glass"...

Just because a person has a different coloured skin does not make that person any more stupid than you are, Gordon.    Your racism is disgusting.   You are putting down your fellow Australians simply because they picked up and used broken glass?  Next you'll be telling us that because White, Colonial Anglo-Saxon/Celtic Australians "picked up" how to find water in the desert from Indigenous Australians, that makes the Colonials "primitive"?   That is the level of your racist thinking.   It is disgusting.  Absolutely disgusting.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


You've missed the point too.

They picked up broken glass and used it. Good on them.

I'm putting down the people who are extolling it as a major feat of technology.


No, you are putting down Indigenous Australians for doing it, Gordon.  Your now trying to cover that up.  Your racism is disgusting.  Absolutely disgusting.   If you want to put down the people who are extolling this, then make that plain, don't attack the Indigenous Australians who did this.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Gnads wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 6:02pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 5:50pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 3:02pm:
Jesus, you racists must really hate the Chinese then.


Just cannot imagine what they think of those great copyists, the Japanese.  They lifted their entire culture from a medieval one to a modern, industrial one in two generations.  How did they do it?  By copying European nations (most notably the UK, France and Germany)...  Today, do you look down on Japanese technology?   I expect so, 'cause they have slanty eyes, right?

Racists are such fools.  Tsk, tsk.    Roll Eyes



You're complete tosser Brian

even the most primative Japanese culture was more advanced than the subject matter.

As were the Chinese.

And it's probably early European & Asian explorers that left broken glass that Aboriginals found. 


No, Gnads, the Indigenous Australians' culture was highly advanced - for the stone age.   Before you attack Indigenous Australians I have to ask, how much do you actually know about their culture?  How about their astronomy?  Their record keeping?  Their agriculture?  Their aquaculture?  Their culture may have been "primitive" but that does not give you the right to denigrate them for it.   To do so, is to show just how foolish your own views are.  I'd rather have an Indigenous Australian as a friend than you.  Simple as that.  At least I'd know they were hard working, honest people.  You?  You're just a smarmy racist who denigrates people because they have different coloured skin and live in what you seem to think was a "primitive culture".   Tsk, tsk.  Don't forget, Genetically there is more difference between you and the next white person than there is between you and an Indigenous Australian.   Fool.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #21 - Feb 21st, 2017 at 7:06pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 6:57pm:
Gordon wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 6:51pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 6:39pm:
Gordon wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 5:56pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 5:50pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 3:02pm:
Jesus, you racists must really hate the Chinese then.


Just cannot imagine what they think of those great copyists, the Japanese.  They lifted their entire culture from a medieval one to a modern, industrial one in two generations.  How did they do it?  By copying European nations (most notably the UK, France and Germany)...  Today, do you look down on Japanese technology?   I expect so, 'cause they have slanty eyes, right?

Racists are such fools.  Tsk, tsk.    Roll Eyes


Brian, they picked up a pieces of broken glass.   Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


And how did the Japanese start their foundries?  By picking up the equivalent of "broken glass"...

Just because a person has a different coloured skin does not make that person any more stupid than you are, Gordon.    Your racism is disgusting.   You are putting down your fellow Australians simply because they picked up and used broken glass?  Next you'll be telling us that because White, Colonial Anglo-Saxon/Celtic Australians "picked up" how to find water in the desert from Indigenous Australians, that makes the Colonials "primitive"?   That is the level of your racist thinking.   It is disgusting.  Absolutely disgusting.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


You've missed the point too.

They picked up broken glass and used it. Good on them.

I'm putting down the people who are extolling it as a major feat of technology.


No, you are putting down Indigenous Australians for doing it, Gordon.  Your now trying to cover that up.  Your racism is disgusting.  Absolutely disgusting.   If you want to put down the people who are extolling this, then make that plain, don't attack the Indigenous Australians who did this.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



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Reply #22 - Feb 21st, 2017 at 7:09pm
 
Gordon wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 7:06pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 6:57pm:
Gordon wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 6:51pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 6:39pm:
Gordon wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 5:56pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 5:50pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 3:02pm:
Jesus, you racists must really hate the Chinese then.


Just cannot imagine what they think of those great copyists, the Japanese.  They lifted their entire culture from a medieval one to a modern, industrial one in two generations.  How did they do it?  By copying European nations (most notably the UK, France and Germany)...  Today, do you look down on Japanese technology?   I expect so, 'cause they have slanty eyes, right?

Racists are such fools.  Tsk, tsk.    Roll Eyes


Brian, they picked up a pieces of broken glass.   Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


And how did the Japanese start their foundries?  By picking up the equivalent of "broken glass"...

Just because a person has a different coloured skin does not make that person any more stupid than you are, Gordon.    Your racism is disgusting.   You are putting down your fellow Australians simply because they picked up and used broken glass?  Next you'll be telling us that because White, Colonial Anglo-Saxon/Celtic Australians "picked up" how to find water in the desert from Indigenous Australians, that makes the Colonials "primitive"?   That is the level of your racist thinking.   It is disgusting.  Absolutely disgusting.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


You've missed the point too.

They picked up broken glass and used it. Good on them.

I'm putting down the people who are extolling it as a major feat of technology.


No, you are putting down Indigenous Australians for doing it, Gordon.  Your now trying to cover that up.  Your racism is disgusting.  Absolutely disgusting.   If you want to put down the people who are extolling this, then make that plain, don't attack the Indigenous Australians who did this.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


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Gordon wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 2:45pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 2:21pm:
Gordon wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 1:38pm:
Valkie wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 1:32pm:
O.M.G

Are we really going down that path.
Genuflecting to some primitives who picked up a dit of discarded glass and calling it evolutionary advancement.

The next thing will be us extolling the skill and adaptability of Aboriginals in being able to use a toilet and mobile phone.

It just goes to show how little this culture realy has to offer.


I'm not having a go at Abos here, but THIS is TRUE racism, the soft bigotry of lowered expectations.




Lol the classic but statement. I'm not racist or sexist or homophobic or having a go, but


You misunderstood what I said. I'm having a go at the cultural revisionists who are elevating Aboriginal culture to something it just was not. They picked up bit of broken glass and realised it was sharp and they can use it. Big whoop.


No, Bojack and I understood exactly what you mean, Gordon.  Now, either you're lying or English not your first language.  So, which is it?  If it's the latter, what is your original nationality?   How does that effect your racism?  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Please, ladies and gentlemen!

It's very basic grammar.

'Aboriginal' is an adjective .. ie. aboriginal person/dwelling/tribe/customs/ etc

and

'Aborigine' is a noun. He is an aborigine.

And I don't give a rat's arse if aboriginal bedwetters don't like the term 'aborigine'. Suck it up guys - because THAT is the correct grammar we should all be using.


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    2. a member of any of the indigenous peoples of Australia

    Many Australian Aboriginal people dislike the term "Aborigines" because it has been imposed on them during the course of colonisation. Some also dislike "Aboriginal", although it is widely used (though preferably as an adjective, as in "Aboriginal peoples").


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Brian, I've stated many times in many threads that I believe a persons skin colour has no impact on their intelligence.  It's all about culture.  If you've missed that, then that's your bad.

Now back to the article.   That aboriginals  picked up bits of broken glass and put them to good use is exactly what's expected. 

The fact it's lauded as some sort of achievement is ridiculous.  I reckon a crow or a magpie would have a red hot go at using broken glass as a tool.
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Reply #25 - Feb 21st, 2017 at 7:42pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 7:02pm:
Gnads wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 6:02pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 5:50pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 3:02pm:
Jesus, you racists must really hate the Chinese then.


Just cannot imagine what they think of those great copyists, the Japanese.  They lifted their entire culture from a medieval one to a modern, industrial one in two generations.  How did they do it?  By copying European nations (most notably the UK, France and Germany)...  Today, do you look down on Japanese technology?   I expect so, 'cause they have slanty eyes, right?

Racists are such fools.  Tsk, tsk.    Roll Eyes



You're complete tosser Brian

even the most primative Japanese culture was more advanced than the subject matter.

As were the Chinese.

And it's probably early European & Asian explorers that left broken glass that Aboriginals found. 


No, Gnads, the Indigenous Australians' culture was highly advanced - for the stone age.   Before you attack Indigenous Australians I have to ask, how much do you actually know about their culture?  How about their astronomy?  Their record keeping?  Their agriculture?  Their aquaculture?  Their culture may have been "primitive" but that does not give you the right to denigrate them for it.   To do so, is to show just how foolish your own views are.  I'd rather have an Indigenous Australian as a friend than you.  Simple as that.  At least I'd know they were hard working, honest people.  You?  You're just a smarmy racist who denigrates people because they have different coloured skin and live in what you seem to think was a "primitive culture".   Tsk, tsk.  Don't forget, Genetically there is more difference between you and the next white person than there is between you and an Indigenous Australian.   Fool.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



Firstly, Aboriginals were not even at stone age.
They had not even started attaching stones to sticks.
They use sharpened bits of wood for spears.

They had no aquaculture, no agriculture, they were simply nomadic primitives who wandered around looking for food.

Comparing ANY other culture especially Chinese, who were far more cultured and advanced than many Europeans at the time, is both insulting and stupiiid.

Besides, it is not the Aboriginals we are questioning.
The whole crux of the matter is that just by picking up something sharp and using it to cut something does not, under any context, mean any race is using advanced technology or that it was broaching a technological advancement.
This constant drive to try and prove advanced thinking, in a culture so primitive that it still had not reached stone age is just totally ridiculous.

It is not, as you seem to find any discussion about anyone, RACIST.
It is simple statement of fact.

You and your ilk think that by labeling anyone who dares to question any old rubbish extolled as pro Aboriginal, Muslim or dark skinned as being an argument, just shows your ignorance.

I am not a racist, I dare you to call me one.
I dislike with a passion the CULT not because of the races that make it up, but because of what this CULT stands for.

As for Aboriginals, lebbos, Greeks, Italians, Chinese etc etc I have many friends of many nationalities and none ever call me racist.
My wedding party consisted of an Aboriginal, Swede, New Zealander and an Irish mate.
My wedding had over 9 nationalities as part of my friends and family.

It is you my friend who is racist, racist against an white skinned person.
You are an Anglophobe and you are far less tolerant than me or mione any day.


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Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 7:17pm:
Please, ladies and gentlemen!

It's very basic grammar.

'Aboriginal' is an adjective .. ie. aboriginal person/dwelling/tribe/customs/ etc

and

'Aborigine' is a noun. He is an aborigine.

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    2. a member of any of the indigenous peoples of Australia

    Many Australian Aboriginal people dislike the term "Aborigines" because it has been imposed on them during the course of colonisation. Some also dislike "Aboriginal", although it is widely used (though preferably as an adjective, as in "Aboriginal peoples").





?Merriam=Webster" is an American publishing company, Herbie.  Why are you, a ten pound English Chinaman using it?  Surely you'd use the Oxford English Dictionary in preference?

"Indigenous Australians" is a more fitting title.  "Aborigines" simply means "original inhabitants" and does not refer exclusively to Australia.  It is used in Canada and other ex-colonial nations to describe their indigenous inhabitants.    Roll Eyes
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Gordon wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 7:22pm:
Brian, I've stated many times in many threads that I believe a persons skin colour has no impact on their intelligence.  It's all about culture.  If you've missed that, then that's your bad.


Really?  Provide a link to where you did that, please?

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Now back to the article.   That aboriginals  picked up bits of broken glass and put them to good use is exactly what's expected. 


Not quite an apology, Gordon but it will do as a clarification.

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The fact it's lauded as some sort of achievement is ridiculous.  I reckon a crow or a magpie would have a red hot go at using broken glass as a tool.



Ah, so now you think birds are as smart as human beings who just happen to be black?  Tsk, tsk, more racism?   Might be better if you keep your trap shut if that is your attitude to your fellow Australians.   Disgusting.   Roll Eyes
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Firstly, Aboriginals were not even at stone age.
They had not even started attaching stones to sticks.
They use sharpened bits of wood for spears.


Valkie, your racism is quite stupid.  I'd recommend you do a google search before you put your feet into your mouth again.   It might help you to understand the level of technology that Indigenous Australians had at the time of Colonisation by the English...

Of course, being ignorant is something you excel in, now isn't it?   Tsk, tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

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Brian Ross wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 7:48pm:
Gordon wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 7:22pm:
Brian, I've stated many times in many threads that I believe a persons skin colour has no impact on their intelligence.  It's all about culture.  If you've missed that, then that's your bad.


Really?  Provide a link to where you did that, please?

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Now back to the article.   That aboriginals  picked up bits of broken glass and put them to good use is exactly what's expected. 


Not quite an apology, Gordon but it will do as a clarification.

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The fact it's lauded as some sort of achievement is ridiculous.  I reckon a crow or a magpie would have a red hot go at using broken glass as a tool.



Ah, so now you think birds are as smart as human beings who just happen to be black?  Tsk, tsk, more racism?   Might be better if you keep your trap shut if that is your attitude to your fellow Australians.   Disgusting.   Roll Eyes



Search the word 'container'. Karnal knows what I'm on about.  I'm a culturist, not a racist.

I knew you'd love the magpie comment but I know you know that I was saying using a simple tool is something even a magpie could do, and not saying the limit off an aboriginals intelligence is that of a bird.


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Brian Ross wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 7:02pm:
Gnads wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 6:02pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 5:50pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 3:02pm:
Jesus, you racists must really hate the Chinese then.


Just cannot imagine what they think of those great copyists, the Japanese.  They lifted their entire culture from a medieval one to a modern, industrial one in two generations.  How did they do it?  By copying European nations (most notably the UK, France and Germany)...  Today, do you look down on Japanese technology?   I expect so, 'cause they have slanty eyes, right?

Racists are such fools.  Tsk, tsk.    Roll Eyes



You're complete tosser Brian

even the most primative Japanese culture was more advanced than the subject matter.

As were the Chinese.

And it's probably early European & Asian explorers that left broken glass that Aboriginals found. 


No, Gnads, the Indigenous Australians' culture was highly advanced - for the stone age.   Before you attack Indigenous Australians I have to ask, how much do you actually know about their culture?  How about their astronomy?  Their record keeping?  Their agriculture?  Their aquaculture?  Their culture may have been "primitive" but that does not give you the right to denigrate them for it.   To do so, is to show just how foolish your own views are.  I'd rather have an Indigenous Australian as a friend than you.  Simple as that.  At least I'd know they were hard working, honest people.  You?  You're just a smarmy racist who denigrates people because they have different coloured skin and live in what you seem to think was a "primitive culture".   Tsk, tsk.  Don't forget, Genetically there is more difference between you and the next white person than there is between you and an Indigenous Australian.   Fool.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


I don't particularly care what you think ... Record keeping? Agriculture?

Australian Aboriginals or Indigenous peoples were nomadic hunter gathers.

You're the same delusional knowall that believes the University & Import/Export business tripe.

You're the very person the OP of this thread was about.

Advanced for the "stone age" you said .... right?

And that's right up until 200 years ago plus the odd decade.

Do you know how foolish that sounds?

Tsk Tsk genetically we are all related.

The colour of their skin is irrelevant.

You bought that into the equation just so you could call people racists.


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They invented a stick. The most primitive people in the world, unique race, part Denisovian.
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They invented a stick that would come back when thrown, what a brilliant time saving invention, with a didgeridoo for music what else was needed, apart from beer.
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I don't particularly care what you think ...


That is self-evident, Gnads. You dislike people who question your racism, it seems.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes

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Australian Aboriginals or Indigenous peoples were nomadic hunter gathers.


Not all were.  It all depends on where they lived and how they lived, Gnads.   In S.W. Victoria there have been found the remains of extensive eel farms, aquaculture, fish traps and permament settlement of up 10,000 people.  You can deny this but the archaeological record proves it and it is being considered for world heritage status.

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I am unsure what you're talking about Gnads.  I know that Indigenous Australians engaged in extensive trade between the various clans and tribes within Australia.  Are you disputing that?  Why?  Doesn't it fit your worldview of their supposedly "primitive" culture or something?   Roll Eyes

You're the very person the OP of this thread was about.

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Advanced for the "stone age" you said .... right?

And that's right up until 200 years ago plus the odd decade.

Do you know how foolish that sounds?


Most Archaeologists agree with me, Gnads.  You're so living in the early 20th century, aren't you?  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes

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Tsk Tsk genetically we are all related.

The colour of their skin is irrelevant.

You bought that into the equation just so you could call people racists.


The colour of their skin is based on their adaptation to living in the tropics and sub-tropics, Gnads, nothing more.  It is a physical aspect of their evolutionary adaptations.   Genetically, they are identical to you and me and every other human being.  I know that annoys you because of your racism but that is the scientific fact that has been discovered since the mapping of the Human Genome.   They are not an alien species, they are members of the only "race" that matters, the Homo Sapien Sapiens.   Time you faced up to that.  If you're honest you will.    Roll Eyes
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Gordon wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 8:00pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 7:48pm:
Gordon wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 7:22pm:
Brian, I've stated many times in many threads that I believe a persons skin colour has no impact on their intelligence.  It's all about culture.  If you've missed that, then that's your bad.


Really?  Provide a link to where you did that, please?

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Now back to the article.   That aboriginals  picked up bits of broken glass and put them to good use is exactly what's expected. 


Not quite an apology, Gordon but it will do as a clarification.

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The fact it's lauded as some sort of achievement is ridiculous.  I reckon a crow or a magpie would have a red hot go at using broken glass as a tool.



Ah, so now you think birds are as smart as human beings who just happen to be black?  Tsk, tsk, more racism?   Might be better if you keep your trap shut if that is your attitude to your fellow Australians.   Disgusting.   Roll Eyes



Search the word 'container'. Karnal knows what I'm on about.  I'm a culturist, not a racist.

I knew you'd love the magpie comment but I know you know that I was saying using a simple tool is something even a magpie could do, and not saying the limit off an aboriginals intelligence is that of a bird.


You're a racist, Gordon.  Disgusting.  Absolutely disgusting that you'd treat your fellow Australians in such a manner.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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   Genetically, they are identical to you and me and every other human being.  I know that annoys you because of your racism but that is the scientific fact that has been discovered since the mapping of the Human Genome.   
Just not correct Brian, you need to stop making things up. Aboriginals have up to 3 percent Denisovian DNA which white and Asian peoples do not have. Science has shown that they are not identical to us.
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Brian Ross wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 11:03pm:
   Genetically, they are identical to you and me and every other human being.  I know that annoys you because of your racism but that is the scientific fact that has been discovered since the mapping of the Human Genome.   
Just not correct Brian, you need to stop making things up. Aboriginals have up to 3 percent Denisovian DNA which white and Asian peoples do not have. Science has shown that they are not identical to us.


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Valkie wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 7:42pm:
Firstly, Aboriginals were not even at stone age.
They had not even started attaching stones to sticks.
They use sharpened bits of wood for spears.


Valkie, your racism is quite stupid.  I'd recommend you do a google search before you put your feet into your mouth again.   It might help you to understand the level of technology that Indigenous Australians had at the time of Colonisation by the English...

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Me A racist, you an imbecile.

As I explained, I am not the racist, you are, anything white is RACIST to you.
No discussion, unless it prostrates itself to your twisted ideals, is acceptable to you and brings forth your rabid racist screams.
I had quite a laugh yesterday when we read your posts (my ethnic friends and I) with one comment from one being "What is this guy on?"

As for advanced cultures.
I read about the alleged Eel farms.
The article was written by an archaeologist who obviously had an agenda and was clutching at some pretty thin straws.
There was no real evidence and the actual press release only ever stated MAY have.
The so called huts were circles of stones which were not dated and the whole theory was based on computer models which as we all know are easily manipulated to PROVE whatever one wants.

Pictures of swampland as evidence is absurd at best.
Ponds connected over 75 square kilometers, she may have lost the plot, do you realize just how large 75 square kilometers is, we have nothing of this scale even today in aquaculture.
And the huts, very carefully worded "scattered across the landscape" no actual statement of how many, how large or actual proof of anything similar done later or anywhere else.
It would take a considerable number of people to manage a 75 square kilometer aquaculture enterprise, and yet there is virtually no proof of this.
And, should this be found possible, you are saying that the Australian Aborigine reached its apex back then and went downhill from that point.
Advanced technology and farming never just died out, in every culture it was a beginning and the culture advanced further up the evolutionary scale as a result.
Did the Australian Aborigine simply stop? Give up or just get lazy?

Or was this evidence of an advanced culture that was wiped out when the Aborigines killed off the first Australian through one of the most brutal genocides ever experienced on our planet when the Aborigine murdered a superior race and then went on to be nothing more than hunter gatherers?

The truth of the matter is that the Aboriginal people of Australia were primitives, they were pre-stone age hunter gatherers who's technology was as basic as any on our planet.

I would love for some proof to be found that Australia had some long lost advanced technology.
It would be a real plus, but artificially fabricating evidence based on the most lame theory just to placate a single lazy race is nothing short of pointless.

If the Aboriginals want to prove true adaptive spirit, the best possible way would be for them to adapt to the modern world, stop playing the victim card and actually get off their asses and contribute instead of simply living off welfare and demanding more and more for nothing.

This would be the true proof of an ability of adapting, not picking up a bit of glass to cut something.
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Gordon wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 8:00pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 7:48pm:
Gordon wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 7:22pm:
Brian, I've stated many times in many threads that I believe a persons skin colour has no impact on their intelligence.  It's all about culture.  If you've missed that, then that's your bad.


Really?  Provide a link to where you did that, please?

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Now back to the article.   That aboriginals  picked up bits of broken glass and put them to good use is exactly what's expected. 


Not quite an apology, Gordon but it will do as a clarification.

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The fact it's lauded as some sort of achievement is ridiculous.  I reckon a crow or a magpie would have a red hot go at using broken glass as a tool.



Ah, so now you think birds are as smart as human beings who just happen to be black?  Tsk, tsk, more racism?   Might be better if you keep your trap shut if that is your attitude to your fellow Australians.   Disgusting.   Roll Eyes



Search the word 'container'. Karnal knows what I'm on about.  I'm a culturist, not a racist.

I knew you'd love the magpie comment but I know you know that I was saying using a simple tool is something even a magpie could do, and not saying the limit off an aboriginals intelligence is that of a bird.


You're a racist, Gordon.  Disgusting.  Absolutely disgusting that you'd treat your fellow Australians in such a manner.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


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Reply #39 - Feb 22nd, 2017 at 1:42pm
 
It seems to me the real racists are those who use the word so willingly and openly.

These pseudo warriors of truth and racism have never truly seen racism.

If they had they would thank their lucky stars that they live in Australia.

We are living in a censored and sanitized environment, one that is continually used to abuse all Australians in the name of some fictitious racism central.

But, be warned.

Have you ever heard of a self fulfilling prophesy?
Its a situation that if you tell someone often enough and accuse them of something, they actually start believing it.
Now if you keep telling and accusing the Australian people that they are racist, they will start believing it.
Then they will start living that racism.

Then all your pathetic little plans to shame Australians into giving more and more will backfire and you will find out exactly what true unfettered racism is.

Now, I do not want that in my country, its bad enough that we bring racist exclusionists into our country as is.
They are the racists, and Aboriginals simply want reverse racism, more and more for nothing.

Look at the good that is Australia.
Black, white, yellow all may mix and associate with no fear.
Anyone can be anything, the only boundaries are what you yourself impose.
Is this a country of racism?

Wake up to yourself.
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Valkie wrote on Feb 22nd, 2017 at 6:35am:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 7:53pm:
Valkie wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 7:42pm:
Firstly, Aboriginals were not even at stone age.
They had not even started attaching stones to sticks.
They use sharpened bits of wood for spears.


Valkie, your racism is quite stupid.  I'd recommend you do a google search before you put your feet into your mouth again.   It might help you to understand the level of technology that Indigenous Australians had at the time of Colonisation by the English...

Of course, being ignorant is something you excel in, now isn't it?   Tsk, tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Me A racist, you an imbecile.

As I explained, I am not the racist, you are, anything white is RACIST to you.


Valkie, you're full of bullshit, you realise that?

You're the one displaying your racism at every drop of a hat.  It's all about the colour of a person's skin/shape of their eyes/thickness of their lips/etc. to you.  People are stupid because they are black/yellow/red/purpie.   Stop being a fool.   It's embarrassing to read that someone can be as ignorant as you in the 21st century.

Indigenous Australians had a complex society, some were nomads, some were semi-settled, some were settled.   Some practised agriculture, some aquaculture and some hunter-gatherers.  It all depends on where they lived.   Time to catch up with the findings of 21st century archaeology.  It is revealing as to what early 20th century settlers hid or ignored rather than admitting.   If you opened your mind, it might even educated you.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #41 - Feb 22nd, 2017 at 5:06pm
 
Gordon wrote on Feb 22nd, 2017 at 6:48am:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 11:05pm:
Gordon wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 8:00pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 7:48pm:
Gordon wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 7:22pm:
Brian, I've stated many times in many threads that I believe a persons skin colour has no impact on their intelligence.  It's all about culture.  If you've missed that, then that's your bad.


Really?  Provide a link to where you did that, please?

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Now back to the article.   That aboriginals  picked up bits of broken glass and put them to good use is exactly what's expected. 


Not quite an apology, Gordon but it will do as a clarification.

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The fact it's lauded as some sort of achievement is ridiculous.  I reckon a crow or a magpie would have a red hot go at using broken glass as a tool.



Ah, so now you think birds are as smart as human beings who just happen to be black?  Tsk, tsk, more racism?   Might be better if you keep your trap shut if that is your attitude to your fellow Australians.   Disgusting.   Roll Eyes



Search the word 'container'. Karnal knows what I'm on about.  I'm a culturist, not a racist.

I knew you'd love the magpie comment but I know you know that I was saying using a simple tool is something even a magpie could do, and not saying the limit off an aboriginals intelligence is that of a bird.


You're a racist, Gordon.  Disgusting.  Absolutely disgusting that you'd treat your fellow Australians in such a manner.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Tosspot.


As I am a tee-total now and have been for the last 10 years for health reasons, other than drinking alcohol, calling me a "habitual drinker" is rather pointless, Gordon.   Get a little more imaginative if you're going to insult me, please.   Otherwise I'll just have to ignore you.  Tsk, tsk.    Roll Eyes
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Reply #42 - Feb 22nd, 2017 at 6:55pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 11:03pm:
Gnads wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 8:52pm:
I don't particularly care what you think ...


That is self-evident, Gnads. You dislike people who question your racism, it seems.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes

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Record keeping? Agriculture?

Australian Aboriginals or Indigenous peoples were nomadic hunter gathers.


Not all were.  It all depends on where they lived and how they lived, Gnads.   In S.W. Victoria there have been found the remains of extensive eel farms, aquaculture, fish traps and permament settlement of up 10,000 people.  You can deny this but the archaeological record proves it and it is being considered for world heritage status.

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You're the same delusional knowall that believes the University & Import/Export business tripe.


I am unsure what you're talking about Gnads.  I know that Indigenous Australians engaged in extensive trade between the various clans and tribes within Australia.  Are you disputing that?  Why?  Doesn't it fit your worldview of their supposedly "primitive" culture or something?   Roll Eyes

You're the very person the OP of this thread was about.

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Advanced for the "stone age" you said .... right?

And that's right up until 200 years ago plus the odd decade.

Do you know how foolish that sounds?


Most Archaeologists agree with me, Gnads.  You're so living in the early 20th century, aren't you?  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes

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Tsk Tsk genetically we are all related.

The colour of their skin is irrelevant.

You bought that into the equation just so you could call people racists.


The colour of their skin is based on their adaptation to living in the tropics and sub-tropics, Gnads, nothing more.  It is a physical aspect of their evolutionary adaptations.   Genetically, they are identical to you and me and every other human being.  I know that annoys you because of your racism but that is the scientific fact that has been discovered since the mapping of the Human Genome.   They are not an alien species, they are members of the only "race" that matters, the Homo Sapien Sapiens.   Time you faced up to that.  If you're honest you will.    Roll Eyes


No I dislike people like you who hide behind a facade to call people racists, xenophobes & weasel words like Islamophobe.

As for your self aggrandising bullshit about alien species you should go live in a remote community.

Most archaeologists agree with you?

What .... that you're a PC knowall fossil?
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Reply #43 - Feb 22nd, 2017 at 7:00pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 22nd, 2017 at 5:04pm:
Valkie wrote on Feb 22nd, 2017 at 6:35am:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 7:53pm:
Valkie wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 7:42pm:
Firstly, Aboriginals were not even at stone age.
They had not even started attaching stones to sticks.
They use sharpened bits of wood for spears.


Valkie, your racism is quite stupid.  I'd recommend you do a google search before you put your feet into your mouth again.   It might help you to understand the level of technology that Indigenous Australians had at the time of Colonisation by the English...

Of course, being ignorant is something you excel in, now isn't it?   Tsk, tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Me A racist, you an imbecile.

As I explained, I am not the racist, you are, anything white is RACIST to you.


Valkie, you're full of bullshit, you realise that?

You're the one displaying your racism at every drop of a hat.  It's all about the colour of a person's skin/shape of their eyes/thickness of their lips/etc. to you.  People are stupid because they are black/yellow/red/purpie.   Stop being a fool.   It's embarrassing to read that someone can be as ignorant as you in the 21st century.

Indigenous Australians had a complex society, some were nomads, some were semi-settled, some were settled.   Some practised agriculture, some aquaculture and some hunter-gatherers.  It all depends on where they lived.   Time to catch up with the findings of 21st century archaeology.  It is revealing as to what early 20th century settlers hid or ignored rather than admitting.   If you opened your mind, it might even educated you.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


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Yep .... keep on making it up & more outlandish at every turn.

That's what whitey academic PC wankers do wholesale.

If Aboriginal people can't explain something to do with their history .....

along come whitey wankers who concoct a suitable (but unbelievable) history to show something that never was.
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Reply #44 - Feb 22nd, 2017 at 7:42pm
 
Gnads wrote on Feb 22nd, 2017 at 7:00pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 22nd, 2017 at 5:04pm:
Valkie wrote on Feb 22nd, 2017 at 6:35am:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 7:53pm:
Valkie wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 7:42pm:
Firstly, Aboriginals were not even at stone age.
They had not even started attaching stones to sticks.
They use sharpened bits of wood for spears.


Valkie, your racism is quite stupid.  I'd recommend you do a google search before you put your feet into your mouth again.   It might help you to understand the level of technology that Indigenous Australians had at the time of Colonisation by the English...

Of course, being ignorant is something you excel in, now isn't it?   Tsk, tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Me A racist, you an imbecile.

As I explained, I am not the racist, you are, anything white is RACIST to you.


Valkie, you're full of bullshit, you realise that?

You're the one displaying your racism at every drop of a hat.  It's all about the colour of a person's skin/shape of their eyes/thickness of their lips/etc. to you.  People are stupid because they are black/yellow/red/purpie.   Stop being a fool.   It's embarrassing to read that someone can be as ignorant as you in the 21st century.

Indigenous Australians had a complex society, some were nomads, some were semi-settled, some were settled.   Some practised agriculture, some aquaculture and some hunter-gatherers.  It all depends on where they lived.   Time to catch up with the findings of 21st century archaeology.  It is revealing as to what early 20th century settlers hid or ignored rather than admitting.   If you opened your mind, it might even educated you.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

Yep .... keep on making it up & more outlandish at every turn.

That's what whitey academic PC wankers do wholesale.

If Aboriginal people can't explain something to do with their history .....

along come whitey wankers who concoct a suitable (but unbelievable) history to show something that never was.


Oh, dear, more ad hominem, Gnads?  I thought better of you but obviously I was mistaken.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes

What is it that scares you so much that you cannot admit that Indigenous Australians had a complex society and culture?   Are you frightened to admit that in case it implicates White, Colonial, Anglo-Saxon/Celtic settlers in destroying it?   Are you ashamed to admit it?   I'm not.  It's history, it cannot be changed, the perpetrators are all long gone.   Today, we can attempt to correct the mistakes of the past and live together as one society whereas in the past it was a case of two or more societies, with one lording it over all the others.  Hardly equitable, I'd suggest.  We are all Australians now, Gnads.

Why are you so afraid to admit that Archaeology might have discovered things that the White settlers hid or deliberately ignored to salve their consciousnesses over what they did to their fellow Australians?   Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes
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Reply #45 - Feb 22nd, 2017 at 7:45pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 22nd, 2017 at 7:42pm:
Gnads wrote on Feb 22nd, 2017 at 7:00pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 22nd, 2017 at 5:04pm:
Valkie wrote on Feb 22nd, 2017 at 6:35am:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 7:53pm:
Valkie wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 7:42pm:
Firstly, Aboriginals were not even at stone age.
They had not even started attaching stones to sticks.
They use sharpened bits of wood for spears.


Valkie, your racism is quite stupid.  I'd recommend you do a google search before you put your feet into your mouth again.   It might help you to understand the level of technology that Indigenous Australians had at the time of Colonisation by the English...

Of course, being ignorant is something you excel in, now isn't it?   Tsk, tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Me A racist, you an imbecile.

As I explained, I am not the racist, you are, anything white is RACIST to you.


Valkie, you're full of bullshit, you realise that?

You're the one displaying your racism at every drop of a hat.  It's all about the colour of a person's skin/shape of their eyes/thickness of their lips/etc. to you.  People are stupid because they are black/yellow/red/purpie.   Stop being a fool.   It's embarrassing to read that someone can be as ignorant as you in the 21st century.

Indigenous Australians had a complex society, some were nomads, some were semi-settled, some were settled.   Some practised agriculture, some aquaculture and some hunter-gatherers.  It all depends on where they lived.   Time to catch up with the findings of 21st century archaeology.  It is revealing as to what early 20th century settlers hid or ignored rather than admitting.   If you opened your mind, it might even educated you.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

Yep .... keep on making it up & more outlandish at every turn.

That's what whitey academic PC wankers do wholesale.

If Aboriginal people can't explain something to do with their history .....

along come whitey wankers who concoct a suitable (but unbelievable) history to show something that never was.


Oh, dear, more ad hominem, Gnads?  I thought better of you but obviously I was mistaken.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes

What is it that scares you so much that you cannot admit that Indigenous Australians had a complex society and culture?   Are you frightened to admit that in case it implicates White, Colonial, Anglo-Saxon/Celtic settlers in destroying it?   Are you ashamed to admit it?   I'm not.  It's history, it cannot be changed, the perpetrators are all long gone.   Today, we can attempt to correct the mistakes of the past and live together as one society whereas in the past it was a case of two or more societies, with one lording it over all the others.  Hardly equitable, I'd suggest.  We are all Australians now, Gnads.

Why are you so afraid to admit that Archaeology might have discovered things that the White settlers hid or deliberately ignored to salve their consciousnesses over what they did to their fellow Australians?   Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes
Why would white settlers hide aboriginal achievements?  Huh
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Reply #46 - Feb 22nd, 2017 at 7:47pm
 
Gnads wrote on Feb 22nd, 2017 at 6:55pm:
No I dislike people like you who hide behind a facade to call people racists, xenophobes & weasel words like Islamophobe.


Well, there is a way to fix that.  It's very easy.  It's to accept your fellow human beings as human beings and stop sprouting Racist/Xenophobic/Islamophobic arguments.  Stop denigrating people because of the colour of their skin/their origins/their religion.  Do that and I'll stop calling you Racist/Xenophobic/Islamophobic.  Sounds like a fair deal to me.   Roll Eyes

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As for your self aggrandising bullshit about alien species you should go live in a remote community.


Are you ashamed to admit that Indigenous Australians are your fellow human beings, Gnads?  And you wonder why I call you a racist?  Really?  Tsk, tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

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Most archaeologists agree with you?


You appear to have a problem with me saying that I know multiple Archaeologists, Gnads.  I wonder why?  Are you jealous?  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes

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What .... that you're a PC knowall fossil?


Nope, just a well travelled, well educated Australian.   Do you dislike that for some reason?  Roll Eyes
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Why would white settlers hide aboriginal achievements?  Huh


Because otherwise they would have to admit that they were actually engaged in ethnic cleansing, Hammer.   Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes
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Reply #48 - Feb 22nd, 2017 at 7:51pm
 
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Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 22nd, 2017 at 7:45pm:
Why would white settlers hide aboriginal achievements?  Huh


Because otherwise they would have to admit that they were actually engaged in ethnic cleansing, Hammer.   Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes

So they hid aboriginal achievements so they wouldn't have to admit to ethnic cleansing?? That makes sense? Is that what being  educated gets you?
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Reply #49 - Feb 22nd, 2017 at 7:54pm
 
Nobody's saying aboriginals are not people worthy of health and happiness and hopefully they can fully move in to modernity and no doubt in the future this will happen,  but don't try and make their culture to be something it wasn't.  It was the most basic example of humanity on the planet. 

Saying that picking up broken glass and using it is some major achievement is just a farce
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Reply #50 - Feb 22nd, 2017 at 8:22pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 22nd, 2017 at 7:42pm:
Gnads wrote on Feb 22nd, 2017 at 7:00pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 22nd, 2017 at 5:04pm:
Valkie wrote on Feb 22nd, 2017 at 6:35am:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 7:53pm:
Valkie wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 7:42pm:
Firstly, Aboriginals were not even at stone age.
They had not even started attaching stones to sticks.
They use sharpened bits of wood for spears.


Valkie, your racism is quite stupid.  I'd recommend you do a google search before you put your feet into your mouth again.   It might help you to understand the level of technology that Indigenous Australians had at the time of Colonisation by the English...

Of course, being ignorant is something you excel in, now isn't it?   Tsk, tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Me A racist, you an imbecile.

As I explained, I am not the racist, you are, anything white is RACIST to you.


Valkie, you're full of bullshit, you realise that?

You're the one displaying your racism at every drop of a hat.  It's all about the colour of a person's skin/shape of their eyes/thickness of their lips/etc. to you.  People are stupid because they are black/yellow/red/purpie.   Stop being a fool.   It's embarrassing to read that someone can be as ignorant as you in the 21st century.

Indigenous Australians had a complex society, some were nomads, some were semi-settled, some were settled.   Some practised agriculture, some aquaculture and some hunter-gatherers.  It all depends on where they lived.   Time to catch up with the findings of 21st century archaeology.  It is revealing as to what early 20th century settlers hid or ignored rather than admitting.   If you opened your mind, it might even educated you.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

Yep .... keep on making it up & more outlandish at every turn.

That's what whitey academic PC wankers do wholesale.

If Aboriginal people can't explain something to do with their history .....

along come whitey wankers who concoct a suitable (but unbelievable) history to show something that never was.


Oh, dear, more ad hominem, Gnads?  I thought better of you but obviously I was mistaken.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes

What is it that scares you so much that you cannot admit that Indigenous Australians had a complex society and culture?   Are you frightened to admit that in case it implicates White, Colonial, Anglo-Saxon/Celtic settlers in destroying it?   Are you ashamed to admit it?   I'm not.  It's history, it cannot be changed, the perpetrators are all long gone.   Today, we can attempt to correct the mistakes of the past and live together as one society whereas in the past it was a case of two or more societies, with one lording it over all the others.  Hardly equitable, I'd suggest.  We are all Australians now, Gnads.

Why are you so afraid to admit that Archaeology might have discovered things that the White settlers hid or deliberately ignored to salve their consciousnesses over what they did to their fellow Australians?   Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes



If it is one thing that is proven about Aboriginal culture it was their ability to survive in all environments across this continent .... primitively survive

and they did that well.

All the rest you espouse is just fanciful bulldust.
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Reply #51 - Feb 22nd, 2017 at 9:39pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 22nd, 2017 at 7:51pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 22nd, 2017 at 7:49pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 22nd, 2017 at 7:45pm:
Why would white settlers hide aboriginal achievements?  Huh


Because otherwise they would have to admit that they were actually engaged in ethnic cleansing, Hammer.   Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes

So they hid aboriginal achievements so they wouldn't have to admit to ethnic cleansing?? That makes sense? Is that what being  educated gets you?


Oh, dearie, dearie me.  Tsk, tsk.  Hammer, you really need to read more about the Stolen Generations, the patronising of Indigenous Australians, the destruction of their culture and their society.   Pay particular attention to the theories of why White, Colonial, Anglo-Saxon/Celtic settlers did those things.  You might find it educational.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #52 - Feb 22nd, 2017 at 9:40pm
 
Gordon wrote on Feb 22nd, 2017 at 7:54pm:
Nobody's saying aboriginals are not people worthy of health and happiness and hopefully they can fully move in to modernity and no doubt in the future this will happen,  but don't try and make their culture to be something it wasn't.  It was the most basic example of humanity on the planet. 


Was it?  You have evidence to back that racist assertion, Gordon?  Please present it.

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Saying that picking up broken glass and using it is some major achievement is just a farce


Tsk, tsk, more racism.  Being adaptable and utilising the materials to hand is now a "farce" in your view?    Roll Eyes
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Reply #53 - Feb 22nd, 2017 at 9:43pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 22nd, 2017 at 12:51am:
rhino wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 11:12pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 11:03pm:
   Genetically, they are identical to you and me and every other human being.  I know that annoys you because of your racism but that is the scientific fact that has been discovered since the mapping of the Human Genome.   
Just not correct Brian, you need to stop making things up. Aboriginals have up to 3 percent Denisovian DNA which white and Asian peoples do not have. Science has shown that they are not identical to us.


3% is statistically insignificant, Rhino.   It is insufficient to prevent them being able to breed with other human beings.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
But they are not genetically identical to us.
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Reply #54 - Feb 22nd, 2017 at 9:44pm
 
Gnads wrote on Feb 22nd, 2017 at 8:22pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 22nd, 2017 at 7:42pm:
Gnads wrote on Feb 22nd, 2017 at 7:00pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 22nd, 2017 at 5:04pm:
Valkie wrote on Feb 22nd, 2017 at 6:35am:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 7:53pm:
Valkie wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 7:42pm:
Firstly, Aboriginals were not even at stone age.
They had not even started attaching stones to sticks.
They use sharpened bits of wood for spears.


Valkie, your racism is quite stupid.  I'd recommend you do a google search before you put your feet into your mouth again.   It might help you to understand the level of technology that Indigenous Australians had at the time of Colonisation by the English...

Of course, being ignorant is something you excel in, now isn't it?   Tsk, tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Me A racist, you an imbecile.

As I explained, I am not the racist, you are, anything white is RACIST to you.


Valkie, you're full of bullshit, you realise that?

You're the one displaying your racism at every drop of a hat.  It's all about the colour of a person's skin/shape of their eyes/thickness of their lips/etc. to you.  People are stupid because they are black/yellow/red/purpie.   Stop being a fool.   It's embarrassing to read that someone can be as ignorant as you in the 21st century.

Indigenous Australians had a complex society, some were nomads, some were semi-settled, some were settled.   Some practised agriculture, some aquaculture and some hunter-gatherers.  It all depends on where they lived.   Time to catch up with the findings of 21st century archaeology.  It is revealing as to what early 20th century settlers hid or ignored rather than admitting.   If you opened your mind, it might even educated you.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

Yep .... keep on making it up & more outlandish at every turn.

That's what whitey academic PC wankers do wholesale.

If Aboriginal people can't explain something to do with their history .....

along come whitey wankers who concoct a suitable (but unbelievable) history to show something that never was.


Oh, dear, more ad hominem, Gnads?  I thought better of you but obviously I was mistaken.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes

What is it that scares you so much that you cannot admit that Indigenous Australians had a complex society and culture?   Are you frightened to admit that in case it implicates White, Colonial, Anglo-Saxon/Celtic settlers in destroying it?   Are you ashamed to admit it?   I'm not.  It's history, it cannot be changed, the perpetrators are all long gone.   Today, we can attempt to correct the mistakes of the past and live together as one society whereas in the past it was a case of two or more societies, with one lording it over all the others.  Hardly equitable, I'd suggest.  We are all Australians now, Gnads.

Why are you so afraid to admit that Archaeology might have discovered things that the White settlers hid or deliberately ignored to salve their consciousnesses over what they did to their fellow Australians?   Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes



If it is one thing that is proven about Aboriginal culture it was their ability to survive in all environments across this continent .... primitively survive

and they did that well.

All the rest you espouse is just fanciful bulldust.


Still denying the science?  Tsk, tsk.  Gnads, you're just showing how racist your thinking is.  You are continually denigrated your fellow Australians.   You disgust me.   Crawl back under your rock.  The grown ups have things to discuss.   I've given you a good innings, I have presented proof to back my assertions and you have just discounted them, claiming that Indigenous Australians' achievements are "just fanciful bulldust".   Absolutely disgusting.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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rhino wrote on Feb 22nd, 2017 at 9:43pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 22nd, 2017 at 12:51am:
rhino wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 11:12pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 11:03pm:
   Genetically, they are identical to you and me and every other human being.  I know that annoys you because of your racism but that is the scientific fact that has been discovered since the mapping of the Human Genome.   
Just not correct Brian, you need to stop making things up. Aboriginals have up to 3 percent Denisovian DNA which white and Asian peoples do not have. Science has shown that they are not identical to us.


3% is statistically insignificant, Rhino.   It is insufficient to prevent them being able to breed with other human beings.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
But they are not genetically identical to us.


Essentially within a few percent, they are.   They are members of the same species as all other humans - Homo Sapien Sapiens.   Until you can present Genetic proof that they are sufficiently different Genetically, you're just talking racist bullshit.  Run along, Hammer.   Oh, and BTW, there are people who have more than 3% Denisovian DNA in their makeup.  Are they a different species?    Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes
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Genetically modified by the intervention of White sperm.................
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Reply #57 - Feb 22nd, 2017 at 11:05pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 22nd, 2017 at 9:47pm:
rhino wrote on Feb 22nd, 2017 at 9:43pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 22nd, 2017 at 12:51am:
rhino wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 11:12pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 11:03pm:
   Genetically, they are identical to you and me and every other human being.  I know that annoys you because of your racism but that is the scientific fact that has been discovered since the mapping of the Human Genome.   
Just not correct Brian, you need to stop making things up. Aboriginals have up to 3 percent Denisovian DNA which white and Asian peoples do not have. Science has shown that they are not identical to us.


3% is statistically insignificant, Rhino.   It is insufficient to prevent them being able to breed with other human beings.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
But they are not genetically identical to us.


Essentially within a few percent, they are.   They are members of the same species as all other humans - Homo Sapien Sapiens.   Until you can present Genetic proof that they are sufficiently different Genetically, you're just talking racist bullshit.  Run along, Hammer.   Oh, and BTW, there are people who have more than 3% Denisovian DNA in their makeup.  Are they a different species?    Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes
You appear not to understand the meaning of the word identical. Why use words if you dont know their meaning?
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Gnads wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 1:49pm:
Valkie wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 1:32pm:
O.M.G

Are we really going down that path.
Genuflecting to some primitives who picked up a dit of discarded glass and calling it evolutionary advancement.

The next thing will be us extolling the skill and adaptability of Aboriginals in being able to use a toilet and mobile phone.

It just goes to show how little this culture realy has to offer.


Yes ... they even had Universities, ran export & import businesses and built stone houses/towns/a city

on a remote island off the West Australian coast.

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Take a close look at every conical hill you drive past - underneath each one is an Aboriginal pyramid or university or observatory - they were all buried by the Captain Cooks in accordance with the decree of 1789.... archeologists in future times will rack their brains trying to work out which conical hills fit that bill...
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When will Abouriginals ever learn.
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Genetically modified by the intervention of White sperm.................


That was one of the fears of A.O. Neville and the other Protectors of Aborigines, Grappler.  What a shame it was all based on Eugenics and not Genetics.  If it had been based on Genetics, then everybody would have been recognised as being human beings and from the same source...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Abbos harnessed fire.
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You appear not to understand the meaning of the word identical. Why use words if you dont know their meaning?


Don't I?

Quote:
identicaladjective uk ​ /aɪˈden.tɪ.kəl/ us ​ /aɪˈden.t̬ə.kəl/

B2 exactly the same, or very similar:

I've got three identical blue suits.
The two rooms were virtually identical.
The interests of both parties may not be identical, but they do overlap considerably.
The tests are identical to those carried out last year.

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You appear to have forgotten what "or very similar" means, Rhino.  Why?    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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The rubbish you dxpouse is totally  beyond belief bwyan.

You dig as deep as possible and draw you bow as long as you can to prove some fictitious superiority of a primitive culture.
You call them successful because the live all over one of the most moderare climates in the world.
Pathetic really.

Your continued bleating of racist is insulting and untrue.

I do not insult the Aborigine, I have no problem with him as an individual.
They are like us, humans with tge same potential and same intellegence as all humans.
Colour means nothing to me, nor does race.
But in your twisted pointed head any discussion not placating to your wild ideals causes you to go ape and call me racist.

It is you who is racist, in the extreem.

However, the Aboriginal culture, or lack tgereof that I have a problem with.
There is no evidence  no matter how hard you try, that proves they were anything more than primitive hunter gatherers.
There was no need for them to advance as they had no real enemies and no serious weather issues such as frozen environment for half the year.
Their food was plentyful and easily obtained.
The rssult
A lethargic and lazy culture
With no need to advance, they simply didnt.

Now they have the opportunity, ample opportunity and the benifit of a far more advanced culture to learn from.
Many have proven that they are just as intellegent as their equals in other cultures, but tge majority are either too lazy or get it too easy to strive to be better.
Is this a cultural bent?

I call you an Anglophobe, you hate white people for some reason
You feel the need to attack everything and anything about them.
You feel a driving need to extoll the fictitious virtuses and manufactured superiority of other races, cultures and CULTS, no matter how abhorrent their practices.

Why do you hate white people so much.....racist
Why do you hate modern society so much....?
What is your problem with an advanced culturally advanced so iety, that you continually feel the need to denigrate and insult it?
Why are you so RACIST BWYAN?

I dont care who or what you are.
Your race, skin colour or reatures have no impact on my opinion of you.
But you really must stop being so racist, because this is what you are.
Intolerant, racist and xenophobic
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Brian Ross wrote on Feb 22nd, 2017 at 9:44pm:
Gnads wrote on Feb 22nd, 2017 at 8:22pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 22nd, 2017 at 7:42pm:
Gnads wrote on Feb 22nd, 2017 at 7:00pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 22nd, 2017 at 5:04pm:
Valkie wrote on Feb 22nd, 2017 at 6:35am:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 7:53pm:
Valkie wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 7:42pm:
Firstly, Aboriginals were not even at stone age.
They had not even started attaching stones to sticks.
They use sharpened bits of wood for spears.


Valkie, your racism is quite stupid.  I'd recommend you do a google search before you put your feet into your mouth again.   It might help you to understand the level of technology that Indigenous Australians had at the time of Colonisation by the English...

Of course, being ignorant is something you excel in, now isn't it?   Tsk, tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Me A racist, you an imbecile.

As I explained, I am not the racist, you are, anything white is RACIST to you.


Valkie, you're full of bullshit, you realise that?

You're the one displaying your racism at every drop of a hat.  It's all about the colour of a person's skin/shape of their eyes/thickness of their lips/etc. to you.  People are stupid because they are black/yellow/red/purpie.   Stop being a fool.   It's embarrassing to read that someone can be as ignorant as you in the 21st century.

Indigenous Australians had a complex society, some were nomads, some were semi-settled, some were settled.   Some practised agriculture, some aquaculture and some hunter-gatherers.  It all depends on where they lived.   Time to catch up with the findings of 21st century archaeology.  It is revealing as to what early 20th century settlers hid or ignored rather than admitting.   If you opened your mind, it might even educated you.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

Yep .... keep on making it up & more outlandish at every turn.

That's what whitey academic PC wankers do wholesale.

If Aboriginal people can't explain something to do with their history .....

along come whitey wankers who concoct a suitable (but unbelievable) history to show something that never was.


Oh, dear, more ad hominem, Gnads?  I thought better of you but obviously I was mistaken.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes

What is it that scares you so much that you cannot admit that Indigenous Australians had a complex society and culture?   Are you frightened to admit that in case it implicates White, Colonial, Anglo-Saxon/Celtic settlers in destroying it?   Are you ashamed to admit it?   I'm not.  It's history, it cannot be changed, the perpetrators are all long gone.   Today, we can attempt to correct the mistakes of the past and live together as one society whereas in the past it was a case of two or more societies, with one lording it over all the others.  Hardly equitable, I'd suggest.  We are all Australians now, Gnads.

Why are you so afraid to admit that Archaeology might have discovered things that the White settlers hid or deliberately ignored to salve their consciousnesses over what they did to their fellow Australians?   Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes



If it is one thing that is proven about Aboriginal culture it was their ability to survive in all environments across this continent .... primitively survive

and they did that well.

All the rest you espouse is just fanciful bulldust.


Still denying the science?  Tsk, tsk.  Gnads, you're just showing how racist your thinking is.  You are continually denigrated your fellow Australians.   You disgust me.   Crawl back under your rock.  The grown ups have things to discuss.   I've given you a good innings, I have presented proof to back my assertions and you have just discounted them, claiming that Indigenous Australians' achievements are "just fanciful bulldust".   Absolutely disgusting.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


No.......... I'm saying what you espouse is fanciful bulldust.
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Reply #66 - Feb 23rd, 2017 at 11:34am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 23rd, 2017 at 12:25am:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Feb 22nd, 2017 at 11:02pm:
Genetically modified by the intervention of White sperm.................


That was one of the fears of A.O. Neville and the other Protectors of Aborigines, Grappler.  What a shame it was all based on Eugenics and not Genetics.  If it had been based on Genetics, then everybody would have been recognised as being human beings and from the same source...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



Indeed... some of those theories are quite mad... I see two sides here - Aboriginals can get ahead in the White world in some ways, but there is active discrimination even against the men, since the women are considered much more acceptable.  We are indeed a funny race.  Some Aboriginal men have done great things and achieved terrific educational standards, and they by no means lack intelligence etc.

I'm afraid I don't have an answer to this problem, but I do know that drugs and violence are not the answers, including the violence of prejudice in the legal processes.  Stamping down on a people will not stop them stamping down on someone....

As I've said previously, when I was working on the Eastern Suburbs Railway, tunnel gang then office, we had a gang exclusively Aboriginals from the local area of Redfun, and they were as good as any other, especially their ganger, who was an excellent leader and worker and negotiator, buying his own home etc, as were the rest.

I think there is room somewhere, once we return this country to genuine economic stability, for some measures of inclusion.... hard one in the bush, though.
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Yet another crazed monologue of no substance from Valkie.


Yes.  It really is a shame that there is just so much ignorance around about Indigenous Australians.  Ignorance based upon prejudice, racism, intolerance and of course, stupidity.  In the early 21st century we have this thing called the World Wide Web.   It could lift their knowledge levels considerably, if they were to open their minds.  Valkie is a prime example of ignorance and foolishness.  He deserves to be pitied...   Roll Eyes
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Gnads wrote on Feb 23rd, 2017 at 10:45am:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 22nd, 2017 at 9:44pm:
Gnads wrote on Feb 22nd, 2017 at 8:22pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 22nd, 2017 at 7:42pm:
Gnads wrote on Feb 22nd, 2017 at 7:00pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 22nd, 2017 at 5:04pm:
Valkie wrote on Feb 22nd, 2017 at 6:35am:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 7:53pm:
Valkie wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 7:42pm:
Firstly, Aboriginals were not even at stone age.
They had not even started attaching stones to sticks.
They use sharpened bits of wood for spears.


Valkie, your racism is quite stupid.  I'd recommend you do a google search before you put your feet into your mouth again.   It might help you to understand the level of technology that Indigenous Australians had at the time of Colonisation by the English...

Of course, being ignorant is something you excel in, now isn't it?   Tsk, tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Me A racist, you an imbecile.

As I explained, I am not the racist, you are, anything white is RACIST to you.


Valkie, you're full of bullshit, you realise that?

You're the one displaying your racism at every drop of a hat.  It's all about the colour of a person's skin/shape of their eyes/thickness of their lips/etc. to you.  People are stupid because they are black/yellow/red/purpie.   Stop being a fool.   It's embarrassing to read that someone can be as ignorant as you in the 21st century.

Indigenous Australians had a complex society, some were nomads, some were semi-settled, some were settled.   Some practised agriculture, some aquaculture and some hunter-gatherers.  It all depends on where they lived.   Time to catch up with the findings of 21st century archaeology.  It is revealing as to what early 20th century settlers hid or ignored rather than admitting.   If you opened your mind, it might even educated you.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

Yep .... keep on making it up & more outlandish at every turn.

That's what whitey academic PC wankers do wholesale.

If Aboriginal people can't explain something to do with their history .....

along come whitey wankers who concoct a suitable (but unbelievable) history to show something that never was.


Oh, dear, more ad hominem, Gnads?  I thought better of you but obviously I was mistaken.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes

What is it that scares you so much that you cannot admit that Indigenous Australians had a complex society and culture?   Are you frightened to admit that in case it implicates White, Colonial, Anglo-Saxon/Celtic settlers in destroying it?   Are you ashamed to admit it?   I'm not.  It's history, it cannot be changed, the perpetrators are all long gone.   Today, we can attempt to correct the mistakes of the past and live together as one society whereas in the past it was a case of two or more societies, with one lording it over all the others.  Hardly equitable, I'd suggest.  We are all Australians now, Gnads.

Why are you so afraid to admit that Archaeology might have discovered things that the White settlers hid or deliberately ignored to salve their consciousnesses over what they did to their fellow Australians?   Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes



If it is one thing that is proven about Aboriginal culture it was their ability to survive in all environments across this continent .... primitively survive

and they did that well.

All the rest you espouse is just fanciful bulldust.


Still denying the science?  Tsk, tsk.  Gnads, you're just showing how racist your thinking is.  You are continually denigrated your fellow Australians.   You disgust me.   Crawl back under your rock.  The grown ups have things to discuss.   I've given you a good innings, I have presented proof to back my assertions and you have just discounted them, claiming that Indigenous Australians' achievements are "just fanciful bulldust".   Absolutely disgusting.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


No.......... I'm saying what you espouse is fanciful bulldust.


Oh, is that what you meant?   However, what I espouse is backed by scientific findings, Gnads.  What you're backing is backed by scientific ignorance based upon prejudice and racism.   Disgusting.   Perhaps you should post over at Stormfront instead of here?  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes
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Brian Ross wrote on Feb 23rd, 2017 at 5:59pm:
Gnads wrote on Feb 23rd, 2017 at 10:45am:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 22nd, 2017 at 9:44pm:
Gnads wrote on Feb 22nd, 2017 at 8:22pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 22nd, 2017 at 7:42pm:
Gnads wrote on Feb 22nd, 2017 at 7:00pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 22nd, 2017 at 5:04pm:
Valkie wrote on Feb 22nd, 2017 at 6:35am:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 7:53pm:
Valkie wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 7:42pm:
Firstly, Aboriginals were not even at stone age.
They had not even started attaching stones to sticks.
They use sharpened bits of wood for spears.


Valkie, your racism is quite stupid.  I'd recommend you do a google search before you put your feet into your mouth again.   It might help you to understand the level of technology that Indigenous Australians had at the time of Colonisation by the English...

Of course, being ignorant is something you excel in, now isn't it?   Tsk, tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Me A racist, you an imbecile.

As I explained, I am not the racist, you are, anything white is RACIST to you.


Valkie, you're full of bullshit, you realise that?

You're the one displaying your racism at every drop of a hat.  It's all about the colour of a person's skin/shape of their eyes/thickness of their lips/etc. to you.  People are stupid because they are black/yellow/red/purpie.   Stop being a fool.   It's embarrassing to read that someone can be as ignorant as you in the 21st century.

Indigenous Australians had a complex society, some were nomads, some were semi-settled, some were settled.   Some practised agriculture, some aquaculture and some hunter-gatherers.  It all depends on where they lived.   Time to catch up with the findings of 21st century archaeology.  It is revealing as to what early 20th century settlers hid or ignored rather than admitting.   If you opened your mind, it might even educated you.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

Yep .... keep on making it up & more outlandish at every turn.

That's what whitey academic PC wankers do wholesale.

If Aboriginal people can't explain something to do with their history .....

along come whitey wankers who concoct a suitable (but unbelievable) history to show something that never was.


Oh, dear, more ad hominem, Gnads?  I thought better of you but obviously I was mistaken.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes

What is it that scares you so much that you cannot admit that Indigenous Australians had a complex society and culture?   Are you frightened to admit that in case it implicates White, Colonial, Anglo-Saxon/Celtic settlers in destroying it?   Are you ashamed to admit it?   I'm not.  It's history, it cannot be changed, the perpetrators are all long gone.   Today, we can attempt to correct the mistakes of the past and live together as one society whereas in the past it was a case of two or more societies, with one lording it over all the others.  Hardly equitable, I'd suggest.  We are all Australians now, Gnads.

Why are you so afraid to admit that Archaeology might have discovered things that the White settlers hid or deliberately ignored to salve their consciousnesses over what they did to their fellow Australians?   Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes



If it is one thing that is proven about Aboriginal culture it was their ability to survive in all environments across this continent .... primitively survive

and they did that well.

All the rest you espouse is just fanciful bulldust.


Still denying the science?  Tsk, tsk.  Gnads, you're just showing how racist your thinking is.  You are continually denigrated your fellow Australians.   You disgust me.   Crawl back under your rock.  The grown ups have things to discuss.   I've given you a good innings, I have presented proof to back my assertions and you have just discounted them, claiming that Indigenous Australians' achievements are "just fanciful bulldust".   Absolutely disgusting.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


No.......... I'm saying what you espouse is fanciful bulldust.


Oh, is that what you meant?   However, what I espouse is backed by scientific findings, Gnads.  What you're backing is backed by scientific ignorance based upon prejudice and racism.   Disgusting.   Perhaps you should post over at Stormfront instead of here?  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes


So you keep harping on about but I don't believe your claims ... & if they are true then the scientists concerned are scientific charlatans.

Like a lot of the doomsday GW scientists.

It's a real dog eat dog world in science now.

Fighting for the best theory to attain govt. funding.

So perhaps you should go take a flying leap?

Better yet henceforth crawl back  under the PC pebble from which you slithered you worm.

You are detestable.

And I'll post where & when I like .... you presume far too much.
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So you keep harping on about but I don't believe your claims ... & if they are true then the scientists concerned are scientific charlatans.


Why?  Because they base their claims on their scientific findings?  Findings which it seems reveal how prejudiced you are?    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

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Abbos harnessed fire.
Yeah, and they used it indiscriminatley and caused the deforestation of inland Australia.
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Johnnie wrote on Feb 23rd, 2017 at 12:28am:
Abbos harnessed fire.
Yeah, and they used it indiscriminatley and caused the deforestation of inland Australia.


As I recall (not that I was around at the time), scientists believe that the interior of Australia (around the desert areas) was an inland see many thousands of years ago. Hence the soil salinity of the interior is high because of it. Over those thousands of years when the land became apparent, the rainfall has slowly diluted the land of its salinity. But because of the salinity factor, it would take a long time for anything to be able to grow in the interior that was not salt tolerable.
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UnSubRocky wrote on Feb 24th, 2017 at 1:21am:
rhino wrote on Feb 24th, 2017 at 1:11am:
Johnnie wrote on Feb 23rd, 2017 at 12:28am:
Abbos harnessed fire.
Yeah, and they used it indiscriminatley and caused the deforestation of inland Australia.


As I recall (not that I was around at the time), scientists believe that the interior of Australia (around the desert areas) was an inland see many thousands of years ago. Hence the soil salinity of the interior is high because of it. Over those thousands of years when the land became apparent, the rainfall has slowly diluted the land of its salinity. But because of the salinity factor, it would take a long time for anything to be able to grow in the interior that was not salt tolerable.



Yeee-usssh - which goes some way to my idea of re-flooding it by breaking through from SA, and creating the GAIA I - the Great Australian Inland Aquifer - and changing the interior climate.  If it weren't for the presence of the Thin-skin-footed Hopping Toad and the Double Breasted Mattress Thrasher in Lake Eyre......
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Reply #74 - Feb 24th, 2017 at 9:54am
 
UnSubRocky wrote on Feb 24th, 2017 at 1:21am:
rhino wrote on Feb 24th, 2017 at 1:11am:
Johnnie wrote on Feb 23rd, 2017 at 12:28am:
Abbos harnessed fire.
Yeah, and they used it indiscriminatley and caused the deforestation of inland Australia.


As I recall (not that I was around at the time), scientists believe that the interior of Australia (around the desert areas) was an inland see many thousands of years ago. Hence the soil salinity of the interior is high because of it. Over those thousands of years when the land became apparent, the rainfall has slowly diluted the land of its salinity. But because of the salinity factor, it would take a long time for anything to be able to grow in the interior that was not salt tolerable.


That's why it's full of Salt Bush & Spinifex ..... and other salt tolerable trees. Even eucalypts.

Just look at the Lake Eyre basin & why it is salt.
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Yet another crazed monologue of no substance from Valkie.


Yes.  It really is a shame that there is just so much ignorance around about Indigenous Australians.  Ignorance based upon prejudice, racism, intolerance and of course, stupidity.  In the early 21st century we have this thing called the World Wide Web.   It could lift their knowledge levels considerably, if they were to open their minds.  Valkie is a prime example of ignorance and foolishness.  He deserves to be pitied...   Roll Eyes


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Gordon.

Naughty boy.

You will be labelled a racist for not prostrating yourself on the alter of high Aboriginal achievement based on using discarded buts of rubbish from a superior culture.

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Reply #78 - Feb 24th, 2017 at 6:42pm
 
Valkie wrote on Feb 24th, 2017 at 6:27pm:
Gordon wrote on Feb 24th, 2017 at 5:36pm:
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Gordon.

Naughty boy.

You will be labelled a racist for not prostrating yourself on the alter of high Aboriginal achievement based on using discarded buts of rubbish from a superior culture.

Bad Gordon


Aboriginals were no doubt masters of survival in a harsh land. Nobody is taking that away from them. They also have the same potential as all humans on the planet. I don't subscribe to eugenics.

They're culture however, was under developed compared to others.

When people try to elevate their achievement to ridiculous levels, it really has the opposite effect. It makes one realise how rudimentary their culture was.

Did they do aquaculture, well probably, but the most basic form of it.

Export, if you call trading something to the tribe over the hill export, ok, sure.

And now it's gotten to the stage picking up bits of glass are noteworthy. Oh dear.
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Valkie wrote on Feb 24th, 2017 at 4:22pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 23rd, 2017 at 5:58pm:
mothra wrote on Feb 23rd, 2017 at 6:34am:
Yet another crazed monologue of no substance from Valkie.


Yes.  It really is a shame that there is just so much ignorance around about Indigenous Australians.  Ignorance based upon prejudice, racism, intolerance and of course, stupidity.  In the early 21st century we have this thing called the World Wide Web.   It could lift their knowledge levels considerably, if they were to open their minds.  Valkie is a prime example of ignorance and foolishness.  He deserves to be pitied...   Roll Eyes


Bwyan you are a consummate Racist xenophobe.

Why do you hate white people?

Why do you hate white Australians?

Why do you hate Australia?


Oh, dear, telling lies, Valkie?  Tsk, tsk.  I suppose it is where most Racists/Xenophobes/Islamophobes go when they can't actually create an argument that makes sense and is based upon facts.   I love Australia.  I love all peoples.  If you can produce evidence otherwise, where I have made the statements that you have claimed, I will apologise.   If you fail to produce that evidence, I expect you to apologise.   I can guess which way this should go but I know you're, well, I will be polite.

Here is space for you provide quotes and links to what you're claiming I've said, Valkie.  If you fail to fill it, then you owe me an apology:

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Considering that all Indigenous peoples around the world did the same, I suppose it isn't much of one but it is an interesting one, in and of itself.   That you've chosen to denigrate it suggests what about your attitudes, Gordon?  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes
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Gordon wrote on Feb 24th, 2017 at 6:42pm:
Aboriginals were no doubt masters of survival in a harsh land. Nobody is taking that away from them. They also have the same potential as all humans on the planet. I don't subscribe to eugenics.

They're culture however, was under developed compared to others.

When people try to elevate their achievement to ridiculous levels, it really has the opposite effect. It makes one realise how rudimentary their culture was.

Did they do aquaculture, well probably, but the most basic form of it.

Export, if you call trading something to the tribe over the hill export, ok, sure.

And now it's gotten to the stage picking up bits of glass are noteworthy. Oh dear.


Actually, Indigenous Australian trading routes have been traced over thousands of kilometres, Gordon, so a bit more that just "over the hill".

As for their aquaculture, sophisticated fish traps have been discovered right around the continent from Tasmania to the Top End.   In S.W. Victoria, sophisticated eel traps and breeding ponds have been discovered.   So, it was a bit more than just the most basic form of aquaculture.

Your ignorance, like that of Valkie is quite astounding really, considering that we live in the early 21st century and you have access to the World Wide Web.   Your narrow-mindedness is also quite astounding.   That is unless you're a racist?  Tsk, tsk.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #82 - Feb 25th, 2017 at 4:34pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 25th, 2017 at 4:12pm:
 That you've chosen to denigrate it suggests what about your attitudes,

Why did they not "invent glass"?

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 23rd, 2017 at 5:58pm:
It could lift their knowledge levels considerably


Whom Abo's?

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 25th, 2017 at 4:17pm:
Indigenous


Means you live in the country you were born in!!!!!

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 25th, 2017 at 4:17pm:
Indigenous Australian trading


Only in dream time land.

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 25th, 2017 at 4:17pm:
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Is quite astounding, considering this!

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Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Feb 24th, 2017 at 6:36am:
UnSubRocky wrote on Feb 24th, 2017 at 1:21am:
rhino wrote on Feb 24th, 2017 at 1:11am:
Johnnie wrote on Feb 23rd, 2017 at 12:28am:
Abbos harnessed fire.
Yeah, and they used it indiscriminatley and caused the deforestation of inland Australia.


As I recall (not that I was around at the time), scientists believe that the interior of Australia (around the desert areas) was an inland see many thousands of years ago. Hence the soil salinity of the interior is high because of it. Over those thousands of years when the land became apparent, the rainfall has slowly diluted the land of its salinity. But because of the salinity factor, it would take a long time for anything to be able to grow in the interior that was not salt tolerable.



Yeee-usssh - which goes some way to my idea of re-flooding it by breaking through from SA, and creating the GAIA I - the Great Australian Inland Aquifer - and changing the interior climate.  If it weren't for the presence of the Thin-skin-footed Hopping Toad and the Double Breasted Mattress Thrasher in Lake Eyre......


I was thinking about that the other day. That Australia should spend the billions in constructing our own inland water ways and river systems. Have one water way go from Lake Eyre to the Great Australian Bight, and let it wash the salt content out of the middle of Australia.
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UnSubRocky wrote on Feb 25th, 2017 at 4:46pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Feb 24th, 2017 at 6:36am:
UnSubRocky wrote on Feb 24th, 2017 at 1:21am:
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Johnnie wrote on Feb 23rd, 2017 at 12:28am:
Abbos harnessed fire.
Yeah, and they used it indiscriminatley and caused the deforestation of inland Australia.


As I recall (not that I was around at the time), scientists believe that the interior of Australia (around the desert areas) was an inland see many thousands of years ago. Hence the soil salinity of the interior is high because of it. Over those thousands of years when the land became apparent, the rainfall has slowly diluted the land of its salinity. But because of the salinity factor, it would take a long time for anything to be able to grow in the interior that was not salt tolerable.



Yeee-usssh - which goes some way to my idea of re-flooding it by breaking through from SA, and creating the GAIA I - the Great Australian Inland Aquifer - and changing the interior climate.  If it weren't for the presence of the Thin-skin-footed Hopping Toad and the Double Breasted Mattress Thrasher in Lake Eyre......


I was thinking about that the other day. That Australia should spend the billions in constructing our own inland water ways and river systems. Have one water way go from Lake Eyre to the Great Australian Bight, and let it wash the salt content out of the middle of Australia.


Such simplistic ideas.   Lake Eyre is below sea level so that any flow of water would be into the Lake, not out of it.   As Australia is saturated with salt, you'd be "washing it out" for an awfully long time and for you to get it all out would take millions of years.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Bwyannnnn

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He hateth the white fella.


No apology?  No quotes and links?  Tsk, tsk, how typical of the Racist/Xenophobe/Islamophobic mindset.   You have to resort to ad homimen debate because you cannot win a real one.   Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Brian Ross wrote on Feb 25th, 2017 at 5:54pm:
UnSubRocky wrote on Feb 25th, 2017 at 4:46pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Feb 24th, 2017 at 6:36am:
UnSubRocky wrote on Feb 24th, 2017 at 1:21am:
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Johnnie wrote on Feb 23rd, 2017 at 12:28am:
Abbos harnessed fire.
Yeah, and they used it indiscriminatley and caused the deforestation of inland Australia.


As I recall (not that I was around at the time), scientists believe that the interior of Australia (around the desert areas) was an inland see many thousands of years ago. Hence the soil salinity of the interior is high because of it. Over those thousands of years when the land became apparent, the rainfall has slowly diluted the land of its salinity. But because of the salinity factor, it would take a long time for anything to be able to grow in the interior that was not salt tolerable.



Yeee-usssh - which goes some way to my idea of re-flooding it by breaking through from SA, and creating the GAIA I - the Great Australian Inland Aquifer - and changing the interior climate.  If it weren't for the presence of the Thin-skin-footed Hopping Toad and the Double Breasted Mattress Thrasher in Lake Eyre......


I was thinking about that the other day. That Australia should spend the billions in constructing our own inland water ways and river systems. Have one water way go from Lake Eyre to the Great Australian Bight, and let it wash the salt content out of the middle of Australia.


Such simplistic ideas.   Lake Eyre is below sea level so that any flow of water would be into the Lake, not out of it.   As Australia is saturated with salt, you'd be "washing it out" for an awfully long time and for you to get it all out would take millions of years.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


I did consider that Lake Eyre was 15m below sea level. But I was considering areas around Lake Eyre that were not below sea level, and not directly from Lake Eyre. Something like an man-made inland river system that could connect onto larger river system which drains to the sea. Not like it has to be flowing all the time.

Unrealistically, it would probably take about 2000mm of rain every year to flood inland Australia to get the saline content to wash to the sea. The best we can hope is for the government to implement some environmental controls where plant life can sustain themselves with salt tolerant trees and shrubs.
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UnSubRocky wrote on Feb 25th, 2017 at 11:11pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 25th, 2017 at 5:54pm:
UnSubRocky wrote on Feb 25th, 2017 at 4:46pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Feb 24th, 2017 at 6:36am:
UnSubRocky wrote on Feb 24th, 2017 at 1:21am:
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Johnnie wrote on Feb 23rd, 2017 at 12:28am:
Abbos harnessed fire.
Yeah, and they used it indiscriminatley and caused the deforestation of inland Australia.


As I recall (not that I was around at the time), scientists believe that the interior of Australia (around the desert areas) was an inland see many thousands of years ago. Hence the soil salinity of the interior is high because of it. Over those thousands of years when the land became apparent, the rainfall has slowly diluted the land of its salinity. But because of the salinity factor, it would take a long time for anything to be able to grow in the interior that was not salt tolerable.



Yeee-usssh - which goes some way to my idea of re-flooding it by breaking through from SA, and creating the GAIA I - the Great Australian Inland Aquifer - and changing the interior climate.  If it weren't for the presence of the Thin-skin-footed Hopping Toad and the Double Breasted Mattress Thrasher in Lake Eyre......


I was thinking about that the other day. That Australia should spend the billions in constructing our own inland water ways and river systems. Have one water way go from Lake Eyre to the Great Australian Bight, and let it wash the salt content out of the middle of Australia.


Such simplistic ideas.   Lake Eyre is below sea level so that any flow of water would be into the Lake, not out of it.   As Australia is saturated with salt, you'd be "washing it out" for an awfully long time and for you to get it all out would take millions of years.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


I did consider that Lake Eyre was 15m below sea level. But I was considering areas around Lake Eyre that were not below sea level, and not directly from Lake Eyre. Something like an man-made inland river system that could connect onto larger river system which drains to the sea. Not like it has to be flowing all the time.

Unrealistically, it would probably take about 2000mm of rain every year to flood inland Australia to get the saline content to wash to the sea. The best we can hope is for the government to implement some environmental controls where plant life can sustain themselves with salt tolerant trees and shrubs.


We already have that, UnSubRocky.   Australian native flora is highly salt-tolerant.  The problem is the farmers have cleared most of it off the productive land, this has resulted in the salt laden water table rising to the point where it is affecting the introduced, colonial flora, which isn't salt tolerant and so it all dies off.    Some farmers have already tried to create large canals which go down to the water table and take away a lot of the salt laden water.  Problem is, it is less efficient than the native flora.   You end up with more salt being drawn to the surface.

Lake Eyre is one of the lowest points in Australia.   All water courses around it, flow into it.   Water from the western side of the Great Dividing Range generally flow into it.  Only the Murray-Darling doesn't.   So, basically you're going to have to flood it, if you want to flood inland Australia.   This will destroy a unique environment which has been created over the last 50K years.  Flora and fauna uniquely adapted to it.   Are you sure you want to do that?

The Bradfield Scheme wanted to essentially do that by turning the rivers flowing eastwards from the Great Dividing Range to the western side of the range, rather as the Snow Mountains Scheme did for the Snowy River, further south.   Bradfield's scheme was hopelessly optimistic and of course failed to consider the effects on the eastern side of the Great Dividing Range, just as it failed to consider the effects on the western side.   Roll Eyes
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We already have that, UnSubRocky.   Australian native flora is highly salt-tolerant.  The problem is the farmers have cleared most of it off the productive land, this has resulted in the salt laden water table rising to the point where it is affecting the introduced, colonial flora, which isn't salt tolerant and so it all dies off.    Some farmers have already tried to create large canals which go down to the water table and take away a lot of the salt laden water.  Problem is, it is less efficient than the native flora.   You end up with more salt being drawn to the surface.

Lake Eyre is one of the lowest points in Australia.   All water courses around it, flow into it.   Water from the western side of the Great Dividing Range generally flow into it.  Only the Murray-Darling doesn't.   So, basically you're going to have to flood it, if you want to flood inland Australia.   This will destroy a unique environment which has been created over the last 50K years.  Flora and fauna uniquely adapted to it.   Are you sure you want to do that?

The Bradfield Scheme wanted to essentially do that by turning the rivers flowing eastwards from the Great Dividing Range to the western side of the range, rather as the Snow Mountains Scheme did for the Snowy River, further south.   Bradfield's scheme was hopelessly optimistic and of course failed to consider the effects on the eastern side of the Great Dividing Range, just as it failed to consider the effects on the western side.   Roll Eyes


I will have to start off by saying that this is interesting stuff that I did not know. I will look this topic up on the internet in the next few weeks.

Secondly, I just wanted to point out that there is nothing wrong with trying to find a solution to Australia's desertification. I was already aware that we have native trees that can counter the salinity of soils. Trees like salt grow (or whatever the scientific name may be). These types of flora have reversed the problems that farmers have encountered (perhaps caused) over the last 2 centuries. Salt grow being particularly useful in draining murky swamps (saline or otherwise) and allowing the surrounding environment to become useful fertile farmland.

Hearing through the grapevine that the government has undertaken to plant these native vegetations in areas where they are needed most urgently. But, I am told that this is going to take decades of growth and planting to recover good fertile farmland.

What I want to happen is for Australia's regional areas to have saline reduced soils over the next few decades. I know that is optimistic and perhaps unrealistic. But I think we have reached a point in our development when countering soil salinity is a bigger issue than we have entertained in the past. We can't simply go about our lives living in the past thinking that we should stick to a continent that is hopelessly unproductive in the interior, whilst packing our coastlines and cities with large populations.
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Bwyannnnn

The racist Xenophobe.

He hateth the white fella.


No apology?  No quotes and links?  Tsk, tsk, how typical of the Racist/Xenophobe/Islamophobic mindset.   You have to resort to ad homimen debate because you cannot win a real one.   Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



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Brian Ross wrote on Feb 26th, 2017 at 12:43am:
We already have that, UnSubRocky.   Australian native flora is highly salt-tolerant.  The problem is the farmers have cleared most of it off the productive land, this has resulted in the salt laden water table rising to the point where it is affecting the introduced, colonial flora, which isn't salt tolerant and so it all dies off.    Some farmers have already tried to create large canals which go down to the water table and take away a lot of the salt laden water.  Problem is, it is less efficient than the native flora.   You end up with more salt being drawn to the surface.

Lake Eyre is one of the lowest points in Australia.   All water courses around it, flow into it.   Water from the western side of the Great Dividing Range generally flow into it.  Only the Murray-Darling doesn't.   So, basically you're going to have to flood it, if you want to flood inland Australia.   This will destroy a unique environment which has been created over the last 50K years.  Flora and fauna uniquely adapted to it.   Are you sure you want to do that?

The Bradfield Scheme wanted to essentially do that by turning the rivers flowing eastwards from the Great Dividing Range to the western side of the range, rather as the Snow Mountains Scheme did for the Snowy River, further south.   Bradfield's scheme was hopelessly optimistic and of course failed to consider the effects on the eastern side of the Great Dividing Range, just as it failed to consider the effects on the western side.   Roll Eyes


I will have to start off by saying that this is interesting stuff that I did not know. I will look this topic up on the internet in the next few weeks.

Secondly, I just wanted to point out that there is nothing wrong with trying to find a solution to Australia's desertification. I was already aware that we have native trees that can counter the salinity of soils. Trees like salt grow (or whatever the scientific name may be). These types of flora have reversed the problems that farmers have encountered (perhaps caused) over the last 2 centuries. Salt grow being particularly useful in draining murky swamps (saline or otherwise) and allowing the surrounding environment to become useful fertile farmland.

Hearing through the grapevine that the government has undertaken to plant these native vegetations in areas where they are needed most urgently. But, I am told that this is going to take decades of growth and planting to recover good fertile farmland.

What I want to happen is for Australia's regional areas to have saline reduced soils over the next few decades. I know that is optimistic and perhaps unrealistic. But I think we have reached a point in our development when countering soil salinity is a bigger issue than we have entertained in the past. We can't simply go about our lives living in the past thinking that we should stick to a continent that is hopelessly unproductive in the interior, whilst packing our coastlines and cities with large populations.


I didn't say there was anything wrong with trying to decrease the salt problem, UnSubRocky. 

I'm just pointing out there are problems with the methods generally thought of (Bradfield Scheme, canals) by most people, as against the long, much harder, much more difficult methods that the CSIRO has advocated (use of native flora).    I agree that saltification s a problem that we have not thought sufficiently about over the last 200 years.   Bush clearing has gone unchecked and when there has been legislative action to prevent it, it's come in for a great deal of IMO unfair criticism from the ignorant farmers who make up the majority of the Nationals support base, particularly in Queensland and Western Australia.  Once you remove the native flora, the salt table rises and the result is salt die back of the flora that has been introduced to replace it. 

What is required is recognition of the problem and a proper study with the correct publicity on how to solve it.    Farmers aren't stupid, just generally stubborn.  They don't like change but if they want to keep farming, change is what they'll have to do.
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Brian Ross wrote on Feb 25th, 2017 at 5:55pm:
Valkie wrote on Feb 25th, 2017 at 5:04pm:
Bwyannnnn

The racist Xenophobe.

He hateth the white fella.


No apology?  No quotes and links?  Tsk, tsk, how typical of the Racist/Xenophobe/Islamophobic mindset.   You have to resort to ad homimen debate because you cannot win a real one.   Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Bwyannnnn

The racist Xenophobe.

He hateth the white fella.

Why does he hate the white fella?
Because he is a Racist Xenophobe.

Why is he a racist Xenophobe.
Because he hates the white fella.


Tsk, tsk, Valkie, thanks for proving my point for me so well.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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The Nunga crew used to start bushfires to make a track to their next destination, being nomads this was their existence, plenty of roasted roo tails and witchetty grubs were to be had on the way. They also looked after the environment.
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Reply #94 - Feb 26th, 2017 at 8:49pm
 
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I didn't say there was anything wrong with trying to decrease the salt problem, UnSubRocky. 

I'm just pointing out there are problems with the methods generally thought of (Bradfield Scheme, canals) by most people, as against the long, much harder, much more difficult methods that the CSIRO has advocated (use of native flora).    I agree that saltification s a problem that we have not thought sufficiently about over the last 200 years.   Bush clearing has gone unchecked and when there has been legislative action to prevent it, it's come in for a great deal of IMO unfair criticism from the ignorant farmers who make up the majority of the Nationals support base, particularly in Queensland and Western Australia.  Once you remove the native flora, the salt table rises and the result is salt die back of the flora that has been introduced to replace it. 

What is required is recognition of the problem and a proper study with the correct publicity on how to solve it.    Farmers aren't stupid, just generally stubborn.  They don't like change but if they want to keep farming, change is what they'll have to do. 


A sheep, wheat, barley, cattle, pig farm I worked on many years ago out near Kalannie was doing many things, contour banks to slow the water run off, deep ripping to break the crust that develops beneath the soil when you continually run over the ground with machinery, have livestock wandering and stops the water sinking in. Planting Casuarina in the salt affected lower areas to drink the water and lower the water table, growing barley there as it's more salt tolerant. Although when I left they were not in place, trees were planned to be planted along the contours.

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Reply #95 - Feb 27th, 2017 at 12:13am
 
Johnnie wrote on Feb 26th, 2017 at 8:26pm:
The Nunga crew used to start bushfires to make a track to their next destination, being nomads this was their existence, plenty of roasted roo tails and witchetty grubs were to be had on the way. They also looked after the environment.



Riiight!  Those kanga tails and grubs were not part of that environment - even if the Nunga crew torched more than they could use....

(Jesus God.....)
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Brian Ross wrote on Feb 25th, 2017 at 4:12pm:
Gordon wrote on Feb 24th, 2017 at 5:36pm:
I still wondering why picking up and using pieces of broken glass is considered some kind of achievement 


Considering that all Indigenous peoples around the world did the same, I suppose it isn't much of one but it is an interesting one, in and of itself.   That you've chosen to denigrate it suggests what about your attitudes, Gordon?  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes


So where did the glass come from?  Roll Eyes
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Brian Ross wrote on Feb 25th, 2017 at 4:17pm:
Gordon wrote on Feb 24th, 2017 at 6:42pm:
Aboriginals were no doubt masters of survival in a harsh land. Nobody is taking that away from them. They also have the same potential as all humans on the planet. I don't subscribe to eugenics.

They're culture however, was under developed compared to others.

When people try to elevate their achievement to ridiculous levels, it really has the opposite effect. It makes one realise how rudimentary their culture was.

Did they do aquaculture, well probably, but the most basic form of it.

Export, if you call trading something to the tribe over the hill export, ok, sure.

And now it's gotten to the stage picking up bits of glass are noteworthy. Oh dear.


Actually, Indigenous Australian trading routes have been traced over thousands of kilometres, Gordon, so a bit more that just "over the hill".

As for their aquaculture, sophisticated fish traps have been discovered right around the continent from Tasmania to the Top End.   In S.W. Victoria, sophisticated eel traps and breeding ponds have been discovered.   So, it was a bit more than just the most basic form of aquaculture.

Your ignorance, like that of Valkie is quite astounding really, considering that we live in the early 21st century and you have access to the World Wide Web.   Your narrow-mindedness is also quite astounding.   That is unless you're a racist?  Tsk, tsk.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


You get better & better. Fish traps are fish traps .... not aquaculture .... they trap wild fish.

As for building breeding ponds ...... more fanciful BS.

Any ponds would have been naturally occurring.

And I suppose they had sheet metal surrounds to stop the eels escaping?.....

because they can travel overland.

Did they do aquaculture courses at their Universities? Grin
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Reply #98 - Feb 27th, 2017 at 1:05pm
 
Bwyannnn

Why do you hate Australia so Much?
Why do you hate a civilized style of life and want to live under a sick twisted doctrine of abuse?
Why do you hate white people?

You must have had a terrible childhood to hate white people and civilization so much.

I forgive you, and pity you
Unlike the CULT you wish to protect, I will not call for your beheading as I know this to be a primitive brutal thing.
I will simply forgive you and hope that one day you will see the light and realise that without the white fella.
You would have no forum to speak on
You would have no civilized society in which to speak
You would have no house or family.
You would be living a primitive life, striving just to survive and that's about it.

Be thankful, not jealous that white people advanced your world.
Be humble not angry that white people have allowed you to advance from illiterate and uneducated to literate and able to express your views intelligently.
Allow yourself to see that without the white fella, for all his foibles and ways, you and yours have progressed in this world.


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Reply #99 - Feb 27th, 2017 at 7:03pm
 
Gnads wrote on Feb 27th, 2017 at 9:22am:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 25th, 2017 at 4:17pm:
Gordon wrote on Feb 24th, 2017 at 6:42pm:
Aboriginals were no doubt masters of survival in a harsh land. Nobody is taking that away from them. They also have the same potential as all humans on the planet. I don't subscribe to eugenics.

They're culture however, was under developed compared to others.

When people try to elevate their achievement to ridiculous levels, it really has the opposite effect. It makes one realise how rudimentary their culture was.

Did they do aquaculture, well probably, but the most basic form of it.

Export, if you call trading something to the tribe over the hill export, ok, sure.

And now it's gotten to the stage picking up bits of glass are noteworthy. Oh dear.


Actually, Indigenous Australian trading routes have been traced over thousands of kilometres, Gordon, so a bit more that just "over the hill".

As for their aquaculture, sophisticated fish traps have been discovered right around the continent from Tasmania to the Top End.   In S.W. Victoria, sophisticated eel traps and breeding ponds have been discovered.   So, it was a bit more than just the most basic form of aquaculture.

Your ignorance, like that of Valkie is quite astounding really, considering that we live in the early 21st century and you have access to the World Wide Web.   Your narrow-mindedness is also quite astounding.   That is unless you're a racist?  Tsk, tsk.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


You get better & better. Fish traps are fish traps .... not aquaculture .... they trap wild fish.

As for building breeding ponds ...... more fanciful BS.

Any ponds would have been naturally occurring.

And I suppose they had sheet metal surrounds to stop the eels escaping?.....

because they can travel overland.

Did they do aquaculture courses at their Universities? Grin


Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Run along Gnads.  The grown ups have things they want to discuss and I'm sure it is past your bedtime.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #100 - Feb 27th, 2017 at 7:04pm
 
Valkie wrote on Feb 27th, 2017 at 1:05pm:
Bwyannnn

Why do you hate Australia so Much?
Why do you hate a civilized style of life and want to live under a sick twisted doctrine of abuse?
Why do you hate white people?

You must have had a terrible childhood to hate white people and civilization so much.

I forgive you, and pity you
Unlike the CULT you wish to protect, I will not call for your beheading as I know this to be a primitive brutal thing.
I will simply forgive you and hope that one day you will see the light and realise that without the white fella.
You would have no forum to speak on
You would have no civilized society in which to speak
You would have no house or family.
You would be living a primitive life, striving just to survive and that's about it.

Be thankful, not jealous that white people advanced your world.
Be humble not angry that white people have allowed you to advance from illiterate and uneducated to literate and able to express your views intelligently.
Allow yourself to see that without the white fella, for all his foibles and ways, you and yours have progressed in this world.


Thank you Valkie for proving my point so well for me.   Tsk, tsk, shouldn't you trot along to bed?  The grown ups have things to discuss.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #101 - Feb 28th, 2017 at 7:03am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 27th, 2017 at 7:04pm:
Valkie wrote on Feb 27th, 2017 at 1:05pm:
Bwyannnn

Why do you hate Australia so Much?
Why do you hate a civilized style of life and want to live under a sick twisted doctrine of abuse?
Why do you hate white people?

You must have had a terrible childhood to hate white people and civilization so much.

I forgive you, and pity you
Unlike the CULT you wish to protect, I will not call for your beheading as I know this to be a primitive brutal thing.
I will simply forgive you and hope that one day you will see the light and realise that without the white fella.
You would have no forum to speak on
You would have no civilized society in which to speak
You would have no house or family.
You would be living a primitive life, striving just to survive and that's about it.

Be thankful, not jealous that white people advanced your world.
Be humble not angry that white people have allowed you to advance from illiterate and uneducated to literate and able to express your views intelligently.
Allow yourself to see that without the white fella, for all his foibles and ways, you and yours have progressed in this world.


Thank you Valkie for proving my point so well for me.   Tsk, tsk, shouldn't you trot along to bed?  The grown ups have things to discuss.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


You have obviously reached the end of your catch words and insults.
Its always easy to tell with you.
As soon as you have lost, rather than admit defeat
You simply pull out you standard "Oh shite, I need a comeback" response.
"sk, tsk, shouldn't you trot along to bed?  The grown ups have things to discuss."

Perhaps you will eventually realize just how ridiculous that sounds?
Perhaps not.

Grow up my friend.
There is more to life than being a stooge for the people that play you for the fool.
The CULT, the Aboriginals play you, and you let them.

They are not victims.
They are takers.
And I'm getting sick to death of always being the giver.

If you don't like white civilization.
There are choices.
You can go to one of these backward countries and live like the primitives you seem to adore.
or you can live in civilized white society and just SUCK IT UP BUDDY.
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Reply #102 - Feb 28th, 2017 at 4:01pm
 
Valkie wrote on Feb 28th, 2017 at 7:03am:
You have obviously reached the end of your catch words and insults.
Its always easy to tell with you.
As soon as you have lost, rather than admit defeat
You simply pull out you standard "Oh shite, I need a comeback" response.
"sk, tsk, shouldn't you trot along to bed?  The grown ups have things to discuss."

Perhaps you will eventually realize just how ridiculous that sounds?
Perhaps not.

Grow up my friend.
There is more to life than being a stooge for the people that play you for the fool.
The CULT, the Aboriginals play you, and you let them.

They are not victims.
They are takers.
And I'm getting sick to death of always being the giver.

If you don't like white civilization.
There are choices.
You can go to one of these backward countries and live like the primitives you seem to adore.
or you can live in civilized white society and just SUCK IT UP BUDDY.


Valkie, please stop your racism in public, it is embarrassing watching you spout bullshit all the time.  Run along now, the grown ups have things they want to discuss.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes
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Reply #103 - Feb 28th, 2017 at 5:58pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 28th, 2017 at 4:01pm:
Valkie wrote on Feb 28th, 2017 at 7:03am:
You have obviously reached the end of your catch words and insults.
Its always easy to tell with you.
As soon as you have lost, rather than admit defeat
You simply pull out you standard "Oh shite, I need a comeback" response.
"sk, tsk, shouldn't you trot along to bed?  The grown ups have things to discuss."

Perhaps you will eventually realize just how ridiculous that sounds?
Perhaps not.

Grow up my friend.
There is more to life than being a stooge for the people that play you for the fool.
The CULT, the Aboriginals play you, and you let them.

They are not victims.
They are takers.
And I'm getting sick to death of always being the giver.

If you don't like white civilization.
There are choices.
You can go to one of these backward countries and live like the primitives you seem to adore.
or you can live in civilized white society and just SUCK IT UP BUDDY.


Valkie, please stop your racism in public, it is embarrassing watching you spout bullshit all the time. 
Run along now, the grown ups have things they want to discuss.  Tsk, tsk.
   Roll Eyes


Is that the best you can come up with.
Obviously a wasted educational program by the whites.
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Reply #104 - Feb 28th, 2017 at 6:43pm
 
Valkie wrote on Feb 28th, 2017 at 5:58pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 28th, 2017 at 4:01pm:
Valkie wrote on Feb 28th, 2017 at 7:03am:
You have obviously reached the end of your catch words and insults.
Its always easy to tell with you.
As soon as you have lost, rather than admit defeat
You simply pull out you standard "Oh shite, I need a comeback" response.
"sk, tsk, shouldn't you trot along to bed?  The grown ups have things to discuss."

Perhaps you will eventually realize just how ridiculous that sounds?
Perhaps not.

Grow up my friend.
There is more to life than being a stooge for the people that play you for the fool.
The CULT, the Aboriginals play you, and you let them.

They are not victims.
They are takers.
And I'm getting sick to death of always being the giver.

If you don't like white civilization.
There are choices.
You can go to one of these backward countries and live like the primitives you seem to adore.
or you can live in civilized white society and just SUCK IT UP BUDDY.


Valkie, please stop your racism in public, it is embarrassing watching you spout bullshit all the time. 
Run along now, the grown ups have things they want to discuss.  Tsk, tsk.
   Roll Eyes


Is that the best you can come up with.
Obviously a wasted educational program by the whites.


Really?  I wonder what's the highest level of education you have achieved, Valkie?  Kindergarten?  Tsk, tsk.   I'm sure you enjoyed your time in the playground.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #105 - Feb 28th, 2017 at 6:49pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 28th, 2017 at 6:43pm:
Valkie wrote on Feb 28th, 2017 at 5:58pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 28th, 2017 at 4:01pm:
Valkie wrote on Feb 28th, 2017 at 7:03am:
You have obviously reached the end of your catch words and insults.
Its always easy to tell with you.
As soon as you have lost, rather than admit defeat
You simply pull out you standard "Oh shite, I need a comeback" response.
"sk, tsk, shouldn't you trot along to bed?  The grown ups have things to discuss."

Perhaps you will eventually realize just how ridiculous that sounds?
Perhaps not.

Grow up my friend.
There is more to life than being a stooge for the people that play you for the fool.
The CULT, the Aboriginals play you, and you let them.

They are not victims.
They are takers.
And I'm getting sick to death of always being the giver.

If you don't like white civilization.
There are choices.
You can go to one of these backward countries and live like the primitives you seem to adore.
or you can live in civilized white society and just SUCK IT UP BUDDY.


Valkie, please stop your racism in public, it is embarrassing watching you spout bullshit all the time. 
Run along now, the grown ups have things they want to discuss.  Tsk, tsk.
   Roll Eyes


Is that the best you can come up with.
Obviously a wasted educational program by the whites.


Really?  I wonder what's the highest level of education you have achieved, Valkie?  Kindergarten?  Tsk, tsk.   I'm sure you enjoyed your time in the playground.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


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Diploma of project management.
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Reply #106 - Feb 28th, 2017 at 7:18pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 28th, 2017 at 6:43pm:
I wonder what's the highest level of education you have achieved


Considerately more than you Brian Ross, otherwise Valkie would resort to ad hom, just like you who decries it, tragic that!?!?

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 28th, 2017 at 6:43pm:
Tsk, tsk. 


More Ad hom, do you get some form of perverse sexual gratification  from doing that Brian?

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 28th, 2017 at 6:43pm:
enjoyed your time in the playground


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Reply #107 - Feb 28th, 2017 at 9:26pm
 
Valkie wrote on Feb 28th, 2017 at 6:49pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 28th, 2017 at 6:43pm:
Valkie wrote on Feb 28th, 2017 at 5:58pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 28th, 2017 at 4:01pm:
Valkie wrote on Feb 28th, 2017 at 7:03am:
You have obviously reached the end of your catch words and insults.
Its always easy to tell with you.
As soon as you have lost, rather than admit defeat
You simply pull out you standard "Oh shite, I need a comeback" response.
"sk, tsk, shouldn't you trot along to bed?  The grown ups have things to discuss."

Perhaps you will eventually realize just how ridiculous that sounds?
Perhaps not.

Grow up my friend.
There is more to life than being a stooge for the people that play you for the fool.
The CULT, the Aboriginals play you, and you let them.

They are not victims.
They are takers.
And I'm getting sick to death of always being the giver.

If you don't like white civilization.
There are choices.
You can go to one of these backward countries and live like the primitives you seem to adore.
or you can live in civilized white society and just SUCK IT UP BUDDY.


Valkie, please stop your racism in public, it is embarrassing watching you spout bullshit all the time. 
Run along now, the grown ups have things they want to discuss.  Tsk, tsk.
   Roll Eyes


Is that the best you can come up with.
Obviously a wasted educational program by the whites.


Really?  I wonder what's the highest level of education you have achieved, Valkie?  Kindergarten?  Tsk, tsk.   I'm sure you enjoyed your time in the playground.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Im not afraid to quote my qualifications.
Toolmaker by trade.
Mechanical Engineer
Diploma of management
Diploma of project management.
Certs 3 and 4 in training and education.
Qualified in several mechanical and engineering disciplines with my favorite being fluid dynamics.

And yours??????


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Reply #108 - Feb 28th, 2017 at 9:52pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 28th, 2017 at 9:26pm:
Valkie wrote on Feb 28th, 2017 at 6:49pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 28th, 2017 at 6:43pm:
Valkie wrote on Feb 28th, 2017 at 5:58pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 28th, 2017 at 4:01pm:
Valkie wrote on Feb 28th, 2017 at 7:03am:
You have obviously reached the end of your catch words and insults.
Its always easy to tell with you.
As soon as you have lost, rather than admit defeat
You simply pull out you standard "Oh shite, I need a comeback" response.
"sk, tsk, shouldn't you trot along to bed?  The grown ups have things to discuss."

Perhaps you will eventually realize just how ridiculous that sounds?
Perhaps not.

Grow up my friend.
There is more to life than being a stooge for the people that play you for the fool.
The CULT, the Aboriginals play you, and you let them.

They are not victims.
They are takers.
And I'm getting sick to death of always being the giver.

If you don't like white civilization.
There are choices.
You can go to one of these backward countries and live like the primitives you seem to adore.
or you can live in civilized white society and just SUCK IT UP BUDDY.


Valkie, please stop your racism in public, it is embarrassing watching you spout bullshit all the time. 
Run along now, the grown ups have things they want to discuss.  Tsk, tsk.
   Roll Eyes


Is that the best you can come up with.
Obviously a wasted educational program by the whites.


Really?  I wonder what's the highest level of education you have achieved, Valkie?  Kindergarten?  Tsk, tsk.   I'm sure you enjoyed your time in the playground.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Im not afraid to quote my qualifications.
Toolmaker by trade.
Mechanical Engineer
Diploma of management
Diploma of project management.
Certs 3 and 4 in training and education.
Qualified in several mechanical and engineering disciplines with my favorite being fluid dynamics.

And yours??????


I have a Ba, Ba (Hons), Ma, GradDip and Doctor of Divinity Degree, Valkie.   All in the Social Sciences.   I have over 25 years experience in IT working as a programmer, a Desktop support engineer, a SysAdmin and a Systems Engineer.   I specialise in Unix and Linux OSs and GIS. 

You dont seem too smart to be quite honest. Most other posters here are rocket scientists compared to you.
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Reply #109 - Feb 28th, 2017 at 10:24pm
 
rhino wrote on Feb 28th, 2017 at 9:52pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 28th, 2017 at 9:26pm:
Valkie wrote on Feb 28th, 2017 at 6:49pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 28th, 2017 at 6:43pm:
Valkie wrote on Feb 28th, 2017 at 5:58pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 28th, 2017 at 4:01pm:
Valkie wrote on Feb 28th, 2017 at 7:03am:
You have obviously reached the end of your catch words and insults.
Its always easy to tell with you.
As soon as you have lost, rather than admit defeat
You simply pull out you standard "Oh shite, I need a comeback" response.
"sk, tsk, shouldn't you trot along to bed?  The grown ups have things to discuss."

Perhaps you will eventually realize just how ridiculous that sounds?
Perhaps not.

Grow up my friend.
There is more to life than being a stooge for the people that play you for the fool.
The CULT, the Aboriginals play you, and you let them.

They are not victims.
They are takers.
And I'm getting sick to death of always being the giver.

If you don't like white civilization.
There are choices.
You can go to one of these backward countries and live like the primitives you seem to adore.
or you can live in civilized white society and just SUCK IT UP BUDDY.


Valkie, please stop your racism in public, it is embarrassing watching you spout bullshit all the time. 
Run along now, the grown ups have things they want to discuss.  Tsk, tsk.
   Roll Eyes


Is that the best you can come up with.
Obviously a wasted educational program by the whites.


Really?  I wonder what's the highest level of education you have achieved, Valkie?  Kindergarten?  Tsk, tsk.   I'm sure you enjoyed your time in the playground.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Im not afraid to quote my qualifications.
Toolmaker by trade.
Mechanical Engineer
Diploma of management
Diploma of project management.
Certs 3 and 4 in training and education.
Qualified in several mechanical and engineering disciplines with my favorite being fluid dynamics.

And yours??????


I have a Ba, Ba (Hons), Ma, GradDip and Doctor of Divinity Degree, Valkie.   All in the Social Sciences.   I have over 25 years experience in IT working as a programmer, a Desktop support engineer, a SysAdmin and a Systems Engineer.   I specialise in Unix and Linux OSs and GIS. 

You dont seem too smart to be quite honest. Most other posters here are rocket scientists compared to you.


And yet they still make obvious, racist/Xenophobic/Islamophobic errors about reality, Rhino.  Just as you do.

So, what are your educational qualifications?    Roll Eyes
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Reply #110 - Feb 28th, 2017 at 10:31pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 28th, 2017 at 10:24pm:
rhino wrote on Feb 28th, 2017 at 9:52pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 28th, 2017 at 9:26pm:
Valkie wrote on Feb 28th, 2017 at 6:49pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 28th, 2017 at 6:43pm:
Valkie wrote on Feb 28th, 2017 at 5:58pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 28th, 2017 at 4:01pm:
Valkie wrote on Feb 28th, 2017 at 7:03am:
You have obviously reached the end of your catch words and insults.
Its always easy to tell with you.
As soon as you have lost, rather than admit defeat
You simply pull out you standard "Oh shite, I need a comeback" response.
"sk, tsk, shouldn't you trot along to bed?  The grown ups have things to discuss."

Perhaps you will eventually realize just how ridiculous that sounds?
Perhaps not.

Grow up my friend.
There is more to life than being a stooge for the people that play you for the fool.
The CULT, the Aboriginals play you, and you let them.

They are not victims.
They are takers.
And I'm getting sick to death of always being the giver.

If you don't like white civilization.
There are choices.
You can go to one of these backward countries and live like the primitives you seem to adore.
or you can live in civilized white society and just SUCK IT UP BUDDY.


Valkie, please stop your racism in public, it is embarrassing watching you spout bullshit all the time. 
Run along now, the grown ups have things they want to discuss.  Tsk, tsk.
   Roll Eyes


Is that the best you can come up with.
Obviously a wasted educational program by the whites.


Really?  I wonder what's the highest level of education you have achieved, Valkie?  Kindergarten?  Tsk, tsk.   I'm sure you enjoyed your time in the playground.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Im not afraid to quote my qualifications.
Toolmaker by trade.
Mechanical Engineer
Diploma of management
Diploma of project management.
Certs 3 and 4 in training and education.
Qualified in several mechanical and engineering disciplines with my favorite being fluid dynamics.

And yours??????


I have a Ba, Ba (Hons), Ma, GradDip and Doctor of Divinity Degree, Valkie.   All in the Social Sciences.   I have over 25 years experience in IT working as a programmer, a Desktop support engineer, a SysAdmin and a Systems Engineer.   I specialise in Unix and Linux OSs and GIS. 

You dont seem too smart to be quite honest. Most other posters here are rocket scientists compared to you.


And yet they still make obvious, racist/Xenophobic/Islamophobic errors about reality, Rhino.  Just as you do.

So, what are your educational qualifications?    Roll Eyes
all you are is some bloke at the other end of the phone who says "have you tried turning it off and on again"
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Reply #111 - Feb 28th, 2017 at 10:32pm
 
I think if bulldust was a discipline Brian would have a PHD
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Reply #112 - Feb 28th, 2017 at 10:50pm
 
rhino wrote on Feb 28th, 2017 at 10:31pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 28th, 2017 at 10:24pm:
rhino wrote on Feb 28th, 2017 at 9:52pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 28th, 2017 at 9:26pm:
Valkie wrote on Feb 28th, 2017 at 6:49pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 28th, 2017 at 6:43pm:
Valkie wrote on Feb 28th, 2017 at 5:58pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 28th, 2017 at 4:01pm:
Valkie wrote on Feb 28th, 2017 at 7:03am:
You have obviously reached the end of your catch words and insults.
Its always easy to tell with you.
As soon as you have lost, rather than admit defeat
You simply pull out you standard "Oh shite, I need a comeback" response.
"sk, tsk, shouldn't you trot along to bed?  The grown ups have things to discuss."

Perhaps you will eventually realize just how ridiculous that sounds?
Perhaps not.

Grow up my friend.
There is more to life than being a stooge for the people that play you for the fool.
The CULT, the Aboriginals play you, and you let them.

They are not victims.
They are takers.
And I'm getting sick to death of always being the giver.

If you don't like white civilization.
There are choices.
You can go to one of these backward countries and live like the primitives you seem to adore.
or you can live in civilized white society and just SUCK IT UP BUDDY.


Valkie, please stop your racism in public, it is embarrassing watching you spout bullshit all the time. 
Run along now, the grown ups have things they want to discuss.  Tsk, tsk.
   Roll Eyes


Is that the best you can come up with.
Obviously a wasted educational program by the whites.


Really?  I wonder what's the highest level of education you have achieved, Valkie?  Kindergarten?  Tsk, tsk.   I'm sure you enjoyed your time in the playground.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Im not afraid to quote my qualifications.
Toolmaker by trade.
Mechanical Engineer
Diploma of management
Diploma of project management.
Certs 3 and 4 in training and education.
Qualified in several mechanical and engineering disciplines with my favorite being fluid dynamics.

And yours??????


I have a Ba, Ba (Hons), Ma, GradDip and Doctor of Divinity Degree, Valkie.   All in the Social Sciences.   I have over 25 years experience in IT working as a programmer, a Desktop support engineer, a SysAdmin and a Systems Engineer.   I specialise in Unix and Linux OSs and GIS. 

You dont seem too smart to be quite honest. Most other posters here are rocket scientists compared to you.


And yet they still make obvious, racist/Xenophobic/Islamophobic errors about reality, Rhino.  Just as you do.

So, what are your educational qualifications?    Roll Eyes
all you are is some bloke at the other end of the phone who says "have you tried turning it off and on again"


Oh, dear, are you sure you've plugged it in?  Cool

Rhino, it's obvious you don't have any higher education qualifications, do you?  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes
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Reply #113 - Feb 28th, 2017 at 10:50pm
 
rhino wrote on Feb 28th, 2017 at 10:32pm:
I think if bulldust was a discipline Brian would have a PHD


Ah, the old resort to ad hominem insults tactic, Rhino?  Tsk, tsk.   Why not just admit you've lost?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #114 - Feb 28th, 2017 at 11:20pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 28th, 2017 at 10:50pm:
rhino wrote on Feb 28th, 2017 at 10:32pm:
I think if bulldust was a discipline Brian would have a PHD


Ah, the old resort to ad hominem insults tactic, Rhino?  Tsk, tsk.   Why not just admit you've lost?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
The argument was won a long time ago. 25 years of sitting behind a PC screen, sounds around 15 years of studying as well. Are these the qualifications you are crowing about? Have you actually done anything in your life? You post like a naive 20 year old.
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Reply #115 - Mar 1st, 2017 at 12:16am
 
rhino wrote on Feb 28th, 2017 at 11:20pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 28th, 2017 at 10:50pm:
rhino wrote on Feb 28th, 2017 at 10:32pm:
I think if bulldust was a discipline Brian would have a PHD


Ah, the old resort to ad hominem insults tactic, Rhino?  Tsk, tsk.   Why not just admit you've lost?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
The argument was won a long time ago. 25 years of sitting behind a PC screen, sounds around 15 years of studying as well. Are these the qualifications you are crowing about? Have you actually done anything in your life? You post like a naive 20 year old.


Rhino, I have done many things in life.  I don't hold myself accountable to you or anybody.  I have served in the Australian Army.  I have studied extensively at University.   I have worked.  I have raised three wonderful children.

When are you going to stop with your useless ad hominem attacks?   All they do is demean you far worse than they demean.  I've seen/read/heard them all before.   I have been insulted by experts far better at it than you ever will be.   All your ad hominem attacks prove is that you've lost the debate even before youve begun it.  Tsk, tsk.    Roll Eyes
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Reply #116 - Mar 1st, 2017 at 12:18am
 
If you post personal details on this forum or any other you are going to have them dissected. Yours dont add up.
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Reply #117 - Mar 1st, 2017 at 12:25am
 
rhino wrote on Mar 1st, 2017 at 12:18am:
If you post personal details on this forum or any other you are going to have them dissected. Yours dont add up.


Really?  Tough.  Your assumptions are flawed, as always, Rhino.    Roll Eyes
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Reply #119 - Mar 1st, 2017 at 1:16am
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Feb 27th, 2017 at 12:13am:
Johnnie wrote on Feb 26th, 2017 at 8:26pm:
The Nunga crew used to start bushfires to make a track to their next destination, being nomads this was their existence, plenty of roasted roo tails and witchetty grubs were to be had on the way. They also looked after the environment.



Riiight!  Those kanga tails and grubs were not part of that environment - even if the Nunga crew torched more than they could use....

(Jesus God.....)

Without any weather forecasts or fire fighting equipment the hundreds of thousands of out of control bushfires over tens of thousands of years, and many no doubt burning for months on end changed the landscape so much so that a lot of the flora now requires fire to regenerate, the bush changed to suit the abbos nomadic lifestyle. This is Aboriginal land management at its best and no doubt well thought out, they were also very careful not to burn any rivers and lakes.
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Reply #120 - Mar 1st, 2017 at 5:33am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 28th, 2017 at 9:26pm:
Valkie wrote on Feb 28th, 2017 at 6:49pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 28th, 2017 at 6:43pm:
Valkie wrote on Feb 28th, 2017 at 5:58pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 28th, 2017 at 4:01pm:
Valkie wrote on Feb 28th, 2017 at 7:03am:
You have obviously reached the end of your catch words and insults.
Its always easy to tell with you.
As soon as you have lost, rather than admit defeat
You simply pull out you standard "Oh shite, I need a comeback" response.
"sk, tsk, shouldn't you trot along to bed?  The grown ups have things to discuss."

Perhaps you will eventually realize just how ridiculous that sounds?
Perhaps not.

Grow up my friend.
There is more to life than being a stooge for the people that play you for the fool.
The CULT, the Aboriginals play you, and you let them.

They are not victims.
They are takers.
And I'm getting sick to death of always being the giver.

If you don't like white civilization.
There are choices.
You can go to one of these backward countries and live like the primitives you seem to adore.
or you can live in civilized white society and just SUCK IT UP BUDDY.


Valkie, please stop your racism in public, it is embarrassing watching you spout bullshit all the time. 
Run along now, the grown ups have things they want to discuss.  Tsk, tsk.
   Roll Eyes


Is that the best you can come up with.
Obviously a wasted educational program by the whites.


Really?  I wonder what's the highest level of education you have achieved, Valkie?  Kindergarten?  Tsk, tsk.   I'm sure you enjoyed your time in the playground.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Im not afraid to quote my qualifications.
Toolmaker by trade.
Mechanical Engineer
Diploma of management
Diploma of project management.
Certs 3 and 4 in training and education.
Qualified in several mechanical and engineering disciplines with my favorite being fluid dynamics.

And yours??????


I have a Ba, Ba (Hons), Ma, GradDip and Doctor of Divinity Degree, Valkie.   All in the Social Sciences.   I have over 25 years experience in IT working as a programmer, a Desktop support engineer, a SysAdmin and a Systems Engineer.   I specialise in Unix and Linux OSs and GIS. 



While i must admit I am unfamiliar  with the qualifications you have stated, I must admit tgat they appear quite comprehensive.
Shall we agree then, that our education and intellegence therefore are indisputable.
We simply have a diconnect with regard to our, different, opinions of specifics.

You do not see the world as I do, perhaps the places you have seen and the people you have met may differ from tge ones I have.

I will never agree that Islam is anything less than a very malignant and socially crippling desease on the huma race or that me and mine are in some way responsible for Australian Aboriginal problems of their own making.
But perhaps we can dispense with the name calling and insults.

This is a simple request for mutual respect, even if our opinions differ poles apart.
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Reply #121 - Mar 1st, 2017 at 11:06am
 
Ah - the failure of the modern education system........ over-reliance on thet book larnin' as opposed to skills and ability... leads to the kid of childish name-calling etc that you can see any day in Parl-e-a-ment...
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Reply #122 - Mar 1st, 2017 at 12:54pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 28th, 2017 at 9:26pm:
I have a Ba, Ba (Hons), Ma, GradDip and Doctor of Divinity Degree, Valkie.   All in the Social Sciences.   I have over 25 years experience in IT working as a programmer, a Desktop support engineer, a SysAdmin and a Systems Engineer.   I specialise in Unix and Linux OSs and GIS. 



the social sciences are generally useless outside of universities. they mostly teach moral zealotry, as exemplified by yourself and most who've been through social science departments, and little in the way of critical thinking - or even practical thinking.
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Reply #123 - Mar 1st, 2017 at 1:13pm
 
brian states he was in the ADF for 10 years, 25 years as a PC programmer, extensive educational qualifications plus all those "things" she says hes done. Brian is 120 years old.
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Reply #124 - Mar 1st, 2017 at 9:47pm
 
Knew of a sniper (formerly) in the ADF. He was an excellent computer programmer and a decent hacker. He is 50 years old. It is not far fetched that Brian could be a computer programmer and work in the ADF at one stage.
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Reply #125 - Mar 1st, 2017 at 10:32pm
 
UnSubRocky wrote on Mar 1st, 2017 at 9:47pm:
Knew of a sniper (formerly) in the ADF. He was an excellent computer programmer and a decent hacker. He is 50 years old. It is not far fetched that Brian could be a computer programmer and work in the ADF at one stage.
I dont doubt that many people are multi skilled and have had separate career or job paths, I fall into that category myself but it is simple arithmetic my friend. 10 + 25 =35. Plus whatever years spent gaining educational qualifications he presents. Plus he states he has done many other things which qualify him to claim great life experience. At one stage he claimed to speak Indonesian fluently, the problem with that claim is that another poster here is a qualified and experienced translator in said language. When challenged his claim soon descended to a barrage of posts containing juvenile  icons and his refusal to accept simple facts.
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Reply #126 - Mar 1st, 2017 at 11:17pm
 
Valkie wrote on Mar 1st, 2017 at 5:33am:
While i must admit I am unfamiliar  with the qualifications you have stated, I must admit tgat they appear quite comprehensive.
Shall we agree then, that our education and intellegence therefore are indisputable.
We simply have a diconnect with regard to our, different, opinions of specifics.

You do not see the world as I do, perhaps the places you have seen and the people you have met may differ from tge ones I have.

I will never agree that Islam is anything less than a very malignant and socially crippling desease on the huma race or that me and mine are in some way responsible for Australian Aboriginal problems of their own making.
But perhaps we can dispense with the name calling and insults.

This is a simple request for mutual respect, even if our opinions differ poles apart.


Sure, we can differ but until you stop your outbursts of Racism and Islamophobia and Xenophobia, Valkie our disagreement will continue to flare into dispute.    There are ways of saying what you want to say in a civilised, non-Racist/non-Xenophobic/non-Islamophobic ways.  Stop acting like a schoolboy and start acting like an adult.  Do that I will treat you like an adult.
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Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 1st, 2017 at 12:54pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 28th, 2017 at 9:26pm:
I have a Ba, Ba (Hons), Ma, GradDip and Doctor of Divinity Degree, Valkie.   All in the Social Sciences.   I have over 25 years experience in IT working as a programmer, a Desktop support engineer, a SysAdmin and a Systems Engineer.   I specialise in Unix and Linux OSs and GIS. 


the social sciences are generally useless outside of universities. they mostly teach moral zealotry, as exemplified by yourself and most who've been through social science departments, and little in the way of critical thinking - or even practical thinking.


Yet I work in an field where critical thinking and practical thinking are highly valued.  Where did I learn those skills?  Primarily at University, studying history and politics (and geography).   Social Sciences teach critical thinking as does all University courses, CW.   One goes to University to primarily learn how to think, not to gain knowledge as such.   Roll Eyes
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Reply #129 - Mar 2nd, 2017 at 12:14am
 
rhino wrote on Mar 1st, 2017 at 1:13pm:
brian states he was in the ADF for 10 years, 25 years as a PC programmer, extensive educational qualifications plus all those "things" she says hes done. Brian is 120 years old.


No, I did not claim I had spent 25 years as a programmer, Rhino.  Do you think it is impossible to do more than one thing at once?   I spent 10 years in the Army.  Some of that was spent at University. 
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rhino wrote on Mar 1st, 2017 at 10:32pm:
UnSubRocky wrote on Mar 1st, 2017 at 9:47pm:
Knew of a sniper (formerly) in the ADF. He was an excellent computer programmer and a decent hacker. He is 50 years old. It is not far fetched that Brian could be a computer programmer and work in the ADF at one stage.
I dont doubt that many people are multi skilled and have had separate career or job paths, I fall into that category myself but it is simple arithmetic my friend. 10 + 25 =35. Plus whatever years spent gaining educational qualifications he presents. Plus he states he has done many other things which qualify him to claim great life experience. At one stage he claimed to speak Indonesian fluently, the problem with that claim is that another poster here is a qualified and experienced translator in said language. When challenged his claim soon descended to a barrage of posts containing juvenile  icons and his refusal to accept simple facts.



Oh, dearie, dearie, me.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #131 - Mar 2nd, 2017 at 1:12am
 
Oh - FCS - some people actually do live lives outside of suburbia, you know.  Working my way through DVA, I often came up against that syndrome - nobody can actually live a life that is not common and nothingness..... so the person stating such things must be 'delusional'.

Thing is - some of us actually DO things.... and somebody has to.... so if I state that I am an ex commonwealth public servant, an ex security guy with associations with ASIO and the AFP, have had SAS Unarmed Combat Training, am an ex military officer, was in Fiji for BOTH coups with a new passport issued within 48 hours and came home from one with a busted leg that put me on crutches for three years, have an ex-wife who is a 'name' in film and whose cousin is a highly placed Hollywood director - all of which are verifiable (along with any number of other things)- I 'must' be 'delusional', because I don't fit their idea that everyone is just a common herd suburban dweller.

Apparently all 'grunts' are suburban types living in despair and with an alcohol problem (drinks deeply).. my experience is that all ex-Service, and particularly Veteran, people are nothing of the sort - despite the fact that they are somehow now considered 'unemployable'.

Brian has shown to me that he knows things etc and has an approach that indicates that he is 'on the inside' in some way or ways.

One day you might know what I mean.
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Reply #132 - Mar 2nd, 2017 at 1:18am
 
Lol at Walter Mitty here.
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Reply #133 - Mar 2nd, 2017 at 1:26am
 
rhino wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 1:18am:
Lol at Walter Mitty here.



Welcome aboard, son.... you are a total asset to the Walter Mittys of this world ...

All this sounds familiar to me..... but none have managed to shake me yet in anything I say.... but you're welcome to continue trying....

Now - what are YOUR credentials that we can attack... dreamer.... your kind is very familiar online...... got any proof?

Thought not.....
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Reply #134 - Mar 2nd, 2017 at 1:34am
 
Silence. Yeah - that figures..... empty words are nothing..... little catch phrases are meaningless in the absence of fact....

Get a life.  Sometimes I've thought you had decent information to put across and such - but you lost me - Sonny!

Now you're mine, son...... you get to offend me once.
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Reply #135 - Mar 2nd, 2017 at 3:02am
 
You tell him Grappler.
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Reply #136 - Mar 2nd, 2017 at 3:50am
 
rhino wrote on Mar 1st, 2017 at 10:32pm:
UnSubRocky wrote on Mar 1st, 2017 at 9:47pm:
Knew of a sniper (formerly) in the ADF. He was an excellent computer programmer and a decent hacker. He is 50 years old. It is not far fetched that Brian could be a computer programmer and work in the ADF at one stage.
I dont doubt that many people are multi skilled and have had separate career or job paths, I fall into that category myself but it is simple arithmetic my friend. 10 + 25 =35. Plus whatever years spent gaining educational qualifications he presents. Plus he states he has done many other things which qualify him to claim great life experience. At one stage he claimed to speak Indonesian fluently, the problem with that claim is that another poster here is a qualified and experienced translator in said language. When challenged his claim soon descended to a barrage of posts containing juvenile  icons and his refusal to accept simple facts.


I think Brian stated in the past that he was born in 1957. 60 years old this year, I assume if correct. In 60 years, you can live an abundant life. In my 38 years, I have done various things from the exciting, to the challenging, to the illegal. But I have not done much in the last 11 years, good or bad. One thing I do know is that 4000 days offers opportunities beyond sitting behind a computer, playing games, or forum postings, or working part-time. If I had my time again, I would certainly be a lot more productive and target the things I wanted to do. But then again, I could probably easily do what Brian has done (minus the military) within the next 22 years. Get a PhD. Learn to program. Work in an industry that makes a difference. All that can easily fit inside the next 22 years.

So, my point is that the math does add up. And if all of us here have not done at least what Brian has done by the time we all turn 60, then we are not doing enough.
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Reply #137 - Mar 2nd, 2017 at 6:49am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 1st, 2017 at 11:17pm:
Valkie wrote on Mar 1st, 2017 at 5:33am:
While i must admit I am unfamiliar  with the qualifications you have stated, I must admit tgat they appear quite comprehensive.
Shall we agree then, that our education and intellegence therefore are indisputable.
We simply have a diconnect with regard to our, different, opinions of specifics.

You do not see the world as I do, perhaps the places you have seen and the people you have met may differ from tge ones I have.

I will never agree that Islam is anything less than a very malignant and socially crippling desease on the huma race or that me and mine are in some way responsible for Australian Aboriginal problems of their own making.
But perhaps we can dispense with the name calling and insults.

This is a simple request for mutual respect, even if our opinions differ poles apart.


Sure, we can differ but until you stop your outbursts of Racism and Islamophobia and Xenophobia, Valkie our disagreement will continue to flare into dispute.    There are ways of saying what you want to say in a civilised, non-Racist/non-Xenophobic/non-Islamophobic ways.  Stop acting like a schoolboy and start acting like an adult.  Do that I will treat you like an adult.



Then you will have to acknowledge that this CULT is nothing but an evil cult.
Its is nothing less and nothing more
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Reply #138 - Mar 2nd, 2017 at 7:19am
 
This is typical of those of your ilk.
I offer the hand of peace and you snap it off.
You and your wonderful CULT see nothing positive in anything but attack and victimization.
You continue to call me names and believe that you are justified because of some sick belief that you are in the right.

You are mistaken my friend.
The CULT is pure unmitigated evil, every civilized country on this planet realize this, except for the apologists and people wishing to destroy western civilization.

Islamaphobia is a made up word used to describe people who dare to point out the serious faults in this CULT.

As was so well put in another post by another poster, it is like describing someone who takes precautions against sunburn as sunophobia.

Racism in Australia is virtually non existent, you have people who point out the reverse racism that is currently in place  or point out cultural inadequacy, sick, dangerous practices and you get labelled racist.

True racism, where the protagonist actually attacks or excludes people based on race does not exist in our country.
Anyone, everyone has the same opportunities, some minority groups even more than others.
Aboriginals are given far more opportunity than all other Australians, but they simply waste this opportunity.
To even consider mentioning that suddenly makes you a racist.

Or so it appears to be the case in the eyes of the apologists and anglophobes.

The hand of peace has been offered and rejected.
You show your true colours.
Sad really, but typical.

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Reply #139 - Mar 2nd, 2017 at 8:21am
 
UnSubRocky wrote on Feb 26th, 2017 at 1:27am:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 26th, 2017 at 12:43am:
We already have that, UnSubRocky.   Australian native flora is highly salt-tolerant.  The problem is the farmers have cleared most of it off the productive land, this has resulted in the salt laden water table rising to the point where it is affecting the introduced, colonial flora, which isn't salt tolerant and so it all dies off.    Some farmers have already tried to create large canals which go down to the water table and take away a lot of the salt laden water.  Problem is, it is less efficient than the native flora.   You end up with more salt being drawn to the surface.

Lake Eyre is one of the lowest points in Australia.   All water courses around it, flow into it.   Water from the western side of the Great Dividing Range generally flow into it.  Only the Murray-Darling doesn't.   So, basically you're going to have to flood it, if you want to flood inland Australia.   This will destroy a unique environment which has been created over the last 50K years.  Flora and fauna uniquely adapted to it.   Are you sure you want to do that?

The Bradfield Scheme wanted to essentially do that by turning the rivers flowing eastwards from the Great Dividing Range to the western side of the range, rather as the Snow Mountains Scheme did for the Snowy River, further south.   Bradfield's scheme was hopelessly optimistic and of course failed to consider the effects on the eastern side of the Great Dividing Range, just as it failed to consider the effects on the western side.   Roll Eyes


I will have to start off by saying that this is interesting stuff that I did not know. I will look this topic up on the internet in the next few weeks.

Secondly, I just wanted to point out that there is nothing wrong with trying to find a solution to Australia's desertification. I was already aware that we have native trees that can counter the salinity of soils. Trees like salt grow (or whatever the scientific name may be). These types of flora have reversed the problems that farmers have encountered (perhaps caused) over the last 2 centuries. Salt grow being particularly useful in draining murky swamps (saline or otherwise) and allowing the surrounding environment to become useful fertile farmland.

Hearing through the grapevine that the government has undertaken to plant these native vegetations in areas where they are needed most urgently. But, I am told that this is going to take decades of growth and planting to recover good fertile farmland.

What I want to happen is for Australia's regional areas to have saline reduced soils over the next few decades. I know that is optimistic and perhaps unrealistic. But I think we have reached a point in our development when countering soil salinity is a bigger issue than we have entertained in the past. We can't simply go about our lives living in the past thinking that we should stick to a continent that is hopelessly unproductive in the interior, whilst packing our coastlines and cities with large populations.


Unsub .... try looking into the subject of turning good fertile farmland into salt affected wasteland.

We have done this to many areas with irrigation schemes e.g. the Murrumbidgee Irrigation scheme ....

in the salad bowl of QLD ... the Lockyer Valley

and many other areas.

In the Lockyer, land clearing, especially on surrounding high country alters the drainage of water run off which in turn raises the water table, pushing minerals especially salt to the surface.

In the Murrumbidgee case ...... flood irrigation in more marginal areas raises the water table for the same result.

Tipping water on the land doesn't always turn it into a fertile oasis. There are many pros & cons to deal with.

IMHO your suggestions regarding the Lake Ayre basin would be a monumental & fruitless(excuse the pun) exercise.
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Reply #140 - Mar 2nd, 2017 at 8:26am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 28th, 2017 at 9:26pm:
Valkie wrote on Feb 28th, 2017 at 6:49pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 28th, 2017 at 6:43pm:
Valkie wrote on Feb 28th, 2017 at 5:58pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 28th, 2017 at 4:01pm:
Valkie wrote on Feb 28th, 2017 at 7:03am:
You have obviously reached the end of your catch words and insults.
Its always easy to tell with you.
As soon as you have lost, rather than admit defeat
You simply pull out you standard "Oh shite, I need a comeback" response.
"sk, tsk, shouldn't you trot along to bed?  The grown ups have things to discuss."

Perhaps you will eventually realize just how ridiculous that sounds?
Perhaps not.

Grow up my friend.
There is more to life than being a stooge for the people that play you for the fool.
The CULT, the Aboriginals play you, and you let them.

They are not victims.
They are takers.
And I'm getting sick to death of always being the giver.

If you don't like white civilization.
There are choices.
You can go to one of these backward countries and live like the primitives you seem to adore.
or you can live in civilized white society and just SUCK IT UP BUDDY.


Valkie, please stop your racism in public, it is embarrassing watching you spout bullshit all the time. 
Run along now, the grown ups have things they want to discuss.  Tsk, tsk.
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Is that the best you can come up with.
Obviously a wasted educational program by the whites.


Really?  I wonder what's the highest level of education you have achieved, Valkie?  Kindergarten?  Tsk, tsk.   I'm sure you enjoyed your time in the playground.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Im not afraid to quote my qualifications.
Toolmaker by trade.
Mechanical Engineer
Diploma of management
Diploma of project management.
Certs 3 and 4 in training and education.
Qualified in several mechanical and engineering disciplines with my favorite being fluid dynamics.

And yours??????


I have a Ba, Ba (Hons), Ma, GradDip and Doctor of Divinity Degree, Valkie.   All in the Social Sciences.   I have over 25 years experience in IT working as a programmer, a Desktop support engineer, a SysAdmin and a Systems Engineer.   I specialise in Unix and Linux OSs and GIS. 



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A Doctor of Divinity is an honorary degree.


Speaks volumes for your self righteous attitude. Roll Eyes
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Reply #141 - Mar 2nd, 2017 at 8:39am
 
Gnads wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 8:26am:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 28th, 2017 at 9:26pm:
Valkie wrote on Feb 28th, 2017 at 6:49pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 28th, 2017 at 6:43pm:
Valkie wrote on Feb 28th, 2017 at 5:58pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 28th, 2017 at 4:01pm:
Valkie wrote on Feb 28th, 2017 at 7:03am:
You have obviously reached the end of your catch words and insults.
Its always easy to tell with you.
As soon as you have lost, rather than admit defeat
You simply pull out you standard "Oh shite, I need a comeback" response.
"sk, tsk, shouldn't you trot along to bed?  The grown ups have things to discuss."

Perhaps you will eventually realize just how ridiculous that sounds?
Perhaps not.

Grow up my friend.
There is more to life than being a stooge for the people that play you for the fool.
The CULT, the Aboriginals play you, and you let them.

They are not victims.
They are takers.
And I'm getting sick to death of always being the giver.

If you don't like white civilization.
There are choices.
You can go to one of these backward countries and live like the primitives you seem to adore.
or you can live in civilized white society and just SUCK IT UP BUDDY.


Valkie, please stop your racism in public, it is embarrassing watching you spout bullshit all the time. 
Run along now, the grown ups have things they want to discuss.  Tsk, tsk.
   Roll Eyes


Is that the best you can come up with.
Obviously a wasted educational program by the whites.


Really?  I wonder what's the highest level of education you have achieved, Valkie?  Kindergarten?  Tsk, tsk.   I'm sure you enjoyed your time in the playground.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Im not afraid to quote my qualifications.
Toolmaker by trade.
Mechanical Engineer
Diploma of management
Diploma of project management.
Certs 3 and 4 in training and education.
Qualified in several mechanical and engineering disciplines with my favorite being fluid dynamics.

And yours??????


I have a Ba, Ba (Hons), Ma, GradDip and Doctor of Divinity Degree, Valkie.   All in the Social Sciences.   I have over 25 years experience in IT working as a programmer, a Desktop support engineer, a SysAdmin and a Systems Engineer.   I specialise in Unix and Linux OSs and GIS. 



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Speaks volumes for your self righteous attitude. Roll Eyes


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Reply #142 - Mar 2nd, 2017 at 10:54am
 
Too much argument in this camp - I'm going walkabout..... might find a piece of glass to cut something with for dinner....  Cool
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Reply #143 - Mar 2nd, 2017 at 12:21pm
 
I found a fish hook the other day wile fishing, it was attached to some line that got tangled in my line.

It was a new hook, so I used it and caught a fish.

ADVANCED TECHNOLOGY I USED A FISH HOOK.

A few years ago I was out on a back road near Grafton.
I came across a car that was having gearbox issues.
Examination revealed that the gear lever connection had broken.
I FOUND some wire from an old discarded fence and used this wire to jury rig a functional gearbox connection.

ADVANCED TECHNOLOGY I MADE A GEAR LEVER CONNECTION FROM A BIT OF WIRE.

Wow, sometimes it amazes me just how great white technology is that we can make things work with only discarded materials.
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Valkie wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 7:19am:
True racism, where the protagonist actually attacks or excludes people based on race does not exist in our country.


Jesus Christ, your ignorance is astounding.

Talk to any real estate agent in Australia, and ask them what one of the most common requests from people renting out their house is.

"No Aboriginals (or Indians)".

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greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 12:46pm:
Valkie wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 7:19am:
True racism, where the protagonist actually attacks or excludes people based on race does not exist in our country.


Jesus Christ, your ignorance is astounding.

Talk to any real estate agent in Australia, and ask them what one of the most common requests from people renting out their house is.

"No Aboriginals (or Indians)".

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/14/We_want_white_tenants....


Please don't use the name of our lord in vain, it offends me.

There is a very good and financially logical reason why this may be the case.

Have you ever seen a house after it has been tenanted by an Aboriginal?
I have, I have been involved in the repair, ongoing maintenance and sometimes re-building of houses after just such an event.

They are not all be bad, I know this for a fact, but far too many make it bad for the minority who are good tenants.

And don't just think its our Aboriginal friends who are precluded.
Try renting when you have small children, even with a good record and references.

Now days there is even a rental register where once you get a bad rating, you have no chance.
That is except if you are an Aboriginal, you can get into trouble if you refuse, so its done clandestinely.

Please, do yourself a favor.
Travel the world and go and see what TRUE RACISM is.
Go and see how people live in fear simply because they are black or yellow.
Go and see how true racism has led to abuse, and physical violence.

Then come back to Australia and tell me we are racists.

Ill accept your apology after your journey.


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Valkie wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 1:08pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 12:46pm:
Valkie wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 7:19am:
True racism, where the protagonist actually attacks or excludes people based on race does not exist in our country.


Jesus Christ, your ignorance is astounding.

Talk to any real estate agent in Australia, and ask them what one of the most common requests from people renting out their house is.

"No Aboriginals (or Indians)".

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/14/We_want_white_tenants....


There is a very good and financially logical reason why this may be the case.



Completely and utterly irrelevant.

You said: "True racism, where the protagonist actually attacks or excludes people based on race does not exist in our country."

You are wrong.  Dead wrong.

I've just told you why, and you even agree that it's happening.

Aboriginals are excluded from the private real estate market because they are Aboriginals.

That's Racism 101.

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greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 1:47pm:
Valkie wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 1:08pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 12:46pm:
Valkie wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 7:19am:
True racism, where the protagonist actually attacks or excludes people based on race does not exist in our country.


Jesus Christ, your ignorance is astounding.

Talk to any real estate agent in Australia, and ask them what one of the most common requests from people renting out their house is.

"No Aboriginals (or Indians)".

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/14/We_want_white_tenants....


There is a very good and financially logical reason why this may be the case.



Completely and utterly irrelevant.

You said: "True racism, where the protagonist actually attacks or excludes people based on race does not exist in our country."

You are wrong.  Dead wrong.

I've just told you why, and you even agree that it's happening.

Aboriginals are excluded from the private real estate market because they are Aboriginals.

That's Racism 101.

(Jesus!)


And what is it when you exclude young families with children?
Or people with dogs and cats?
Or sometimes single men or women?
Or when you refuse people who damage properties?

The fact that they are Aborigine is irrelevant.
The fact that they fit a demographic which is high risk or property damage or not be paid for the rent are the real reasons.
Cops pull over cars because they are full of young men for breath tests.
Is this racist, no, its because they fit a demographic that has a high chance of being drunk.
The chances of property damage is much higher with Aborigines.
The properties are owned by someone who wishes to minimize damage, and get regular rent.
Its not racism, its simply good management.

This is where racism is always taken too far.
Do the owners threaten the Aboriginals?
Do the owners treat them badly?
Do they harass them or cause them hurt?
They simply seek to get the best from their property.

There is a simple fix
Be better tenants, get jobs and prove that you are not a bad renter and that you will pay the rent and not damage the property.
Is that so hard????



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Valkie wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 2:39pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 1:47pm:
Valkie wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 1:08pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 12:46pm:
Valkie wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 7:19am:
True racism, where the protagonist actually attacks or excludes people based on race does not exist in our country.


Jesus Christ, your ignorance is astounding.

Talk to any real estate agent in Australia, and ask them what one of the most common requests from people renting out their house is.

"No Aboriginals (or Indians)".

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/14/We_want_white_tenants....


There is a very good and financially logical reason why this may be the case.



Completely and utterly irrelevant.

You said: "True racism, where the protagonist actually attacks or excludes people based on race does not exist in our country."

You are wrong.  Dead wrong.

I've just told you why, and you even agree that it's happening.

Aboriginals are excluded from the private real estate market because they are Aboriginals.

That's Racism 101.

(Jesus!)


The fact that they are Aborigine is irrelevant.



Oh, no it's not.

Homeowners specifically tell the real estate agents "No Aboriginals".

Racism 101.

You were dead wrong: "True racism, where the protagonist actually attacks or excludes people based on race does not exist in our country."

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Brian Ross wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 12:11am:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 1st, 2017 at 12:54pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 28th, 2017 at 9:26pm:
I have a Ba, Ba (Hons), Ma, GradDip and Doctor of Divinity Degree, Valkie.   All in the Social Sciences.   I have over 25 years experience in IT working as a programmer, a Desktop support engineer, a SysAdmin and a Systems Engineer.   I specialise in Unix and Linux OSs and GIS. 


the social sciences are generally useless outside of universities. they mostly teach moral zealotry, as exemplified by yourself and most who've been through social science departments, and little in the way of critical thinking - or even practical thinking.


Yet I work in an field where critical thinking and practical thinking are highly valued.  Where did I learn those skills?  Primarily at University, studying history and politics (and geography).   Social Sciences teach critical thinking as does all University courses, CW.   One goes to University to primarily learn how to think, not to gain knowledge as such.   Roll Eyes



critical thinking isn't subject specific. it's little more than a bunch of inquiring techniques. it can be applied to history and politics but it's not intrinsically linked to those subjects. for example, learning marx isn't critical thinking. that's just memorisation. often, leftards think they're thinking critically because they can throw out a few marxist quotes here and there.
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Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 4:13pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 12:11am:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 1st, 2017 at 12:54pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 28th, 2017 at 9:26pm:
I have a Ba, Ba (Hons), Ma, GradDip and Doctor of Divinity Degree, Valkie.   All in the Social Sciences.   I have over 25 years experience in IT working as a programmer, a Desktop support engineer, a SysAdmin and a Systems Engineer.   I specialise in Unix and Linux OSs and GIS. 


the social sciences are generally useless outside of universities. they mostly teach moral zealotry, as exemplified by yourself and most who've been through social science departments, and little in the way of critical thinking - or even practical thinking.


Yet I work in an field where critical thinking and practical thinking are highly valued.  Where did I learn those skills?  Primarily at University, studying history and politics (and geography).   Social Sciences teach critical thinking as does all University courses, CW.   One goes to University to primarily learn how to think, not to gain knowledge as such.   Roll Eyes



critical thinking isn't subject specific. it's little more than a bunch of inquiring techniques. it can be applied to history and politics but it's not intrinsically linked to those subjects. for example, learning marx isn't critical thinking. that's just memorisation. often, leftards think they're thinking critically because they can throw out a few marxist quotes here and there.


Oh come now, Misitie, you must admit that reason has always existed, but not always in a reasonable form.

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Oh come now, Misitie, you must admit that reason has always existed, but not always in a reasonable form.




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rhino wrote on Mar 1st, 2017 at 10:32pm:
UnSubRocky wrote on Mar 1st, 2017 at 9:47pm:
Knew of a sniper (formerly) in the ADF. He was an excellent computer programmer and a decent hacker. He is 50 years old. It is not far fetched that Brian could be a computer programmer and work in the ADF at one stage.
I dont doubt that many people are multi skilled and have had separate career or job paths, I fall into that category myself but it is simple arithmetic my friend. 10 + 25 =35. Plus whatever years spent gaining educational qualifications he presents. Plus he states he has done many other things which qualify him to claim great life experience. At one stage he claimed to speak Indonesian fluently, the problem with that claim is that another poster here is a qualified and experienced translator in said language. When challenged his claim soon descended to a barrage of posts containing juvenile  icons and his refusal to accept simple facts.


I think Brian stated in the past that he was born in 1957.


Nope.  Never claimed I was born in 1957.   Not sure where you're getting that from...   Roll Eyes
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Valkie wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 6:49am:
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Valkie wrote on Mar 1st, 2017 at 5:33am:
While i must admit I am unfamiliar  with the qualifications you have stated, I must admit tgat they appear quite comprehensive.
Shall we agree then, that our education and intellegence therefore are indisputable.
We simply have a diconnect with regard to our, different, opinions of specifics.

You do not see the world as I do, perhaps the places you have seen and the people you have met may differ from tge ones I have.

I will never agree that Islam is anything less than a very malignant and socially crippling desease on the huma race or that me and mine are in some way responsible for Australian Aboriginal problems of their own making.
But perhaps we can dispense with the name calling and insults.

This is a simple request for mutual respect, even if our opinions differ poles apart.


Sure, we can differ but until you stop your outbursts of Racism and Islamophobia and Xenophobia, Valkie our disagreement will continue to flare into dispute.    There are ways of saying what you want to say in a civilised, non-Racist/non-Xenophobic/non-Islamophobic ways.  Stop acting like a schoolboy and start acting like an adult.  Do that I will treat you like an adult.



Then you will have to acknowledge that this CULT is nothing but an evil cult.
Its is nothing less and nothing more


Islam is a recognised religion around the world.   I am unsure why Islamophobes are afraid to admit that.   It's childish and silly.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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rhino wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 1:18am:
Lol at Walter Mitty here.



Welcome aboard, son.... you are a total asset to the Walter Mittys of this world ...

All this sounds familiar to me..... but none have managed to shake me yet in anything I say.... but you're welcome to continue trying....

Now - what are YOUR credentials that we can attack... dreamer.... your kind is very familiar online...... got any proof?

Thought not.....
One thing I have learnt in life, the people who spend the most amount of time trying to impress people with their qualifications are the biggest bulldusters.
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Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 4:13pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 12:11am:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 1st, 2017 at 12:54pm:
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I have a Ba, Ba (Hons), Ma, GradDip and Doctor of Divinity Degree, Valkie.   All in the Social Sciences.   I have over 25 years experience in IT working as a programmer, a Desktop support engineer, a SysAdmin and a Systems Engineer.   I specialise in Unix and Linux OSs and GIS. 


the social sciences are generally useless outside of universities. they mostly teach moral zealotry, as exemplified by yourself and most who've been through social science departments, and little in the way of critical thinking - or even practical thinking.


Yet I work in an field where critical thinking and practical thinking are highly valued.  Where did I learn those skills?  Primarily at University, studying history and politics (and geography).   Social Sciences teach critical thinking as does all University courses, CW.   One goes to University to primarily learn how to think, not to gain knowledge as such.   Roll Eyes


critical thinking isn't subject specific. it's little more than a bunch of inquiring techniques. it can be applied to history and politics but it's not intrinsically linked to those subjects. for example, learning marx isn't critical thinking. that's just memorisation. often, leftards think they're thinking critically because they can throw out a few marxist quotes here and there.


I never claimed it was "intrinsically" linked to anything.  History and Politics (and to a lesser extent Geography) were where I learnt to do it properly.   

Marxism is used by multiple disciplines, it is methodology used for examining economic affects on society.   Marx is apparently quite popular on Wall Street as he was the first modern philosopher who actually understood how Capitalism works.

I can throw out quotes from multiple sources, CW.  The only Marx I follow is Groucho.    Roll Eyes

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This is typical of those of your ilk.
I offer the hand of peace and you snap it off.


Nope.  Your hand is still there but you wanted it with preconditions which I was unwilling to accept, Valkie.  Your Racism/Xenophobia/Islamophobia is clear to anybody who reads your stuff.   Until you grow up and actually look at reality, rather than your Racist/Xenophobic/Islamophobic viewpoint, it will be impossible for us to agree on anything I suspect.   Run along, your parents are calling you.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

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Silence. Yeah - that figures..... empty words are nothing..... little catch phrases are meaningless in the absence of fact....

Get a life.  Sometimes I've thought you had decent information to put across and such - but you lost me - Sonny!

Now you're mine, son...... you get to offend me once.
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Gnads wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 8:26am:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 28th, 2017 at 9:26pm:
Valkie wrote on Feb 28th, 2017 at 6:49pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 28th, 2017 at 6:43pm:
Valkie wrote on Feb 28th, 2017 at 5:58pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 28th, 2017 at 4:01pm:
Valkie wrote on Feb 28th, 2017 at 7:03am:
You have obviously reached the end of your catch words and insults.
Its always easy to tell with you.
As soon as you have lost, rather than admit defeat
You simply pull out you standard "Oh shite, I need a comeback" response.
"sk, tsk, shouldn't you trot along to bed?  The grown ups have things to discuss."

Perhaps you will eventually realize just how ridiculous that sounds?
Perhaps not.

Grow up my friend.
There is more to life than being a stooge for the people that play you for the fool.
The CULT, the Aboriginals play you, and you let them.

They are not victims.
They are takers.
And I'm getting sick to death of always being the giver.

If you don't like white civilization.
There are choices.
You can go to one of these backward countries and live like the primitives you seem to adore.
or you can live in civilized white society and just SUCK IT UP BUDDY.


Valkie, please stop your racism in public, it is embarrassing watching you spout bullshit all the time. 
Run along now, the grown ups have things they want to discuss.  Tsk, tsk.
   Roll Eyes


Is that the best you can come up with.
Obviously a wasted educational program by the whites.


Really?  I wonder what's the highest level of education you have achieved, Valkie?  Kindergarten?  Tsk, tsk.   I'm sure you enjoyed your time in the playground.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Im not afraid to quote my qualifications.
Toolmaker by trade.
Mechanical Engineer
Diploma of management
Diploma of project management.
Certs 3 and 4 in training and education.
Qualified in several mechanical and engineering disciplines with my favorite being fluid dynamics.

And yours??????


I have a Ba, Ba (Hons), Ma, GradDip and Doctor of Divinity Degree, Valkie.   All in the Social Sciences.   I have over 25 years experience in IT working as a programmer, a Desktop support engineer, a SysAdmin and a Systems Engineer.   I specialise in Unix and Linux OSs and GIS. 



Quote:
A Doctor of Divinity is an honorary degree.


Speaks volumes for your self righteous attitude. Roll Eyes


Quote:
Doctor of Divinity (D.D. or D.Div.; Latin: Doctor Divinitatis) is an advanced or honorary academic degree in divinity.

[Source]

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All depends on where you undertake and complete the degree, Gnads.  Tsk, tsk.    Roll Eyes
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dearie, dearie me, tsk tsk. Brian is claiming qualifications he bought off the internet.


Hangs right next to his investiture as a knight of Malta.   Grin Grin
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Nope.  It is an advanced degree that I studied for, Rhino.  Tsk, tsk, that you would believe I would do that...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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dearie, dearie me, tsk tsk. Brian is claiming qualifications he bought off the internet.


Nope.  It is an advanced degree that I studied for, Rhino.  Tsk, tsk, that you would believe I would do that...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
Nothing you post on this forum makes it appear as if you have the intellect required.
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oh yeah, tsk, tsk,  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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dearie, dearie me, tsk tsk. Brian is claiming qualifications he bought off the internet.


Nope.  It is an advanced degree that I studied for, Rhino.  Tsk, tsk, that you would believe I would do that...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
Nothing you post on this forum makes it appear as if you have the intellect required.



Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Nope.  Never claimed I was born in 1957.   Not sure where you're getting that from...   Roll Eyes


Then I assumed wrong. I'm sure that someone here posted their birth year to be 1957. Oh well...
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Brian Ross wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 9:20pm:
Nope.  Never claimed I was born in 1957.   Not sure where you're getting that from...   Roll Eyes


Then I assumed wrong. I'm sure that someone here posted their birth year to be 1957. Oh well...


Not me. Mine's 1959. Obviously a good year.

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Setanta wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 11:13pm:
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Brian Ross wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 9:20pm:
Nope.  Never claimed I was born in 1957.   Not sure where you're getting that from...   Roll Eyes


Then I assumed wrong. I'm sure that someone here posted their birth year to be 1957. Oh well...


Not me. Mine's 1959. Obviously a good year.




Young punk......... 1949 was a good year.....
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Gnads wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 8:21am:
Unsub .... try looking into the subject of turning good fertile farmland into salt affected wasteland.

We have done this to many areas with irrigation schemes e.g. the Murrumbidgee Irrigation scheme ....

in the salad bowl of QLD ... the Lockyer Valley

and many other areas.

In the Lockyer, land clearing, especially on surrounding high country alters the drainage of water run off which in turn raises the water table, pushing minerals especially salt to the surface.

In the Murrumbidgee case ...... flood irrigation in more marginal areas raises the water table for the same result.

Tipping water on the land doesn't always turn it into a fertile oasis. There are many pros & cons to deal with.

IMHO your suggestions regarding the Lake Ayre basin would be a monumental & fruitless(excuse the pun) exercise. 


Yes, I was aware that dumping a heap of irrigation onto certain land areas (cleared of native trees) does bring about an unfavourable change of fertility in the soils. Hence the reason why I brought up the idea of planting salt tolerant plants to combat the salinity of the soil.

Some farmers have brought to the attention of the use of certain hardwood hybrid trees, developed by certain flora biology centres (or whatever they call them). They have said that after 10 years of planting numerous trees adjacent to the creeks on their land that the region has gone from swampy, infertile unusable soil into good fertile farmland that can be used for planting crops that are not salt tolerant. But that was an article I read a few years back, and doubt that it still exists.

Yes, the idea of planting salt grow trees around Lake Ayre would be an infuriating and pointless exercise in the short term. Perhaps I was just fantasizing long-term concept of my grandchildren growing up in a society where the farmers are not in the news committing suicide over a lack of rain and fertile soils. Or having the dreaded idea that Australians are going to have to import most of our food and be at the mercy of overseas societies' generosity about how much and what we eat.

I realise that I'm 38 and concerning myself with things that are out of my control for much of my thoughts. But I feel that we need to be a bit more pragmatic about how we look after primary industries in the future. Or my retirement won't exist.
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dearie, dearie me, tsk tsk. Brian is claiming qualifications he bought off the internet.


Hangs right next to his investiture as a knight of Malta.   Grin Grin



I've had many nights with a Maltese lady.... yum.....
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Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 1:34am:
Silence. Yeah - that figures..... empty words are nothing..... little catch phrases are meaningless in the absence of fact....

Get a life.  Sometimes I've thought you had decent information to put across and such - but you lost me - Sonny!

Now you're mine, son...... you get to offend me once.
yeah,  yeah, unarmed combat specialist as well was it?



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Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 1:34am:
Silence. Yeah - that figures..... empty words are nothing..... little catch phrases are meaningless in the absence of fact....

Get a life.  Sometimes I've thought you had decent information to put across and such - but you lost me - Sonny!

Now you're mine, son...... you get to offend me once.
yeah,  yeah, unarmed combat specialist as well was it?



Never by choice..... I prefer to evade....
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Setanta wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 11:13pm:
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Brian Ross wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 9:20pm:
Nope.  Never claimed I was born in 1957.   Not sure where you're getting that from...   Roll Eyes


Then I assumed wrong. I'm sure that someone here posted their birth year to be 1957. Oh well...


Not me. Mine's 1959. Obviously a good year.




Young punk......... 1949 was a good year.....


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Brian Ross wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 9:20pm:
Nope.  Never claimed I was born in 1957.   Not sure where you're getting that from...   Roll Eyes


Then I assumed wrong. I'm sure that someone here posted their birth year to be 1957. Oh well...


Not me. Mine's 1959. Obviously a good year.




Young punk......... 1949 was a good year.....


1984, rolls off the tongue beautifully. Such a great year.
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Reply #176 - Mar 3rd, 2017 at 1:02am
 
Raven wrote on Mar 3rd, 2017 at 12:53am:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 11:30pm:
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Brian Ross wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 9:20pm:
Nope.  Never claimed I was born in 1957.   Not sure where you're getting that from...   Roll Eyes


Then I assumed wrong. I'm sure that someone here posted their birth year to be 1957. Oh well...


Not me. Mine's 1959. Obviously a good year.




Young punk......... 1949 was a good year.....


1984, rolls off the tongue beautifully. Such a great year.


The year I was married. Not too bad.

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Reply #177 - Mar 3rd, 2017 at 1:05am
 
Setanta wrote on Mar 3rd, 2017 at 12:25am:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 11:30pm:
Setanta wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 11:13pm:
UnSubRocky wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 11:12pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 9:20pm:
Nope.  Never claimed I was born in 1957.   Not sure where you're getting that from...   Roll Eyes


Then I assumed wrong. I'm sure that someone here posted their birth year to be 1957. Oh well...


Not me. Mine's 1959. Obviously a good year.




Young punk......... 1949 was a good year.....


Young man s'il vous plaît.



My apologies, young one.....
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Reply #178 - Mar 3rd, 2017 at 1:06am
 
Setanta wrote on Mar 3rd, 2017 at 1:02am:
Raven wrote on Mar 3rd, 2017 at 12:53am:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 11:30pm:
Setanta wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 11:13pm:
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Brian Ross wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 9:20pm:
Nope.  Never claimed I was born in 1957.   Not sure where you're getting that from...   Roll Eyes


Then I assumed wrong. I'm sure that someone here posted their birth year to be 1957. Oh well...


Not me. Mine's 1959. Obviously a good year.




Young punk......... 1949 was a good year.....


1984, rolls off the tongue beautifully. Such a great year.


The year I was married. Not too bad.




You were married?  Damn - there is still some faith in the old institutions......

1984... yeeee-ussshh... need I say more?
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rhino wrote on Mar 3rd, 2017 at 12:07am:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 11:32pm:
rhino wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 9:38pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 1:34am:
Silence. Yeah - that figures..... empty words are nothing..... little catch phrases are meaningless in the absence of fact....

Get a life.  Sometimes I've thought you had decent information to put across and such - but you lost me - Sonny!

Now you're mine, son...... you get to offend me once.
yeah,  yeah, unarmed combat specialist as well was it?



Never by choice..... I prefer to evade....
yeah, evade rapidly in a backwards motion.



And your response to cornering me is?  (snuckles under armpit)..... you truly are delusional.... imagine yourself any way you want, kid, in your own mind...

Stop being a d1ck and get on to discussion - d1ckhead.
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Reply #180 - Mar 3rd, 2017 at 1:32am
 
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You were married?  Damn - there is still some faith in the old institutions......

1984... yeeee-ussshh... need I say more?


I am married Grap. Only the once but there it is.

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[quote author=Brian_Ross link=1487646898/153#153 date=1488453606]Nope.  Never claimed I was born in 1957.   Not sure where you're getting that from...   Roll Eyes


Then I assumed wrong. I'm sure that someone here posted their birth year to be 1957. Oh well...


Not me. Mine's 1959. Obviously a good year.




Young punk......... 1949 was a good year.....


1984, rolls off the tongue beautifully. Such a great year.



1984... yeeee-ussshh... need I say more?


You're not ageist are you? Of course not, you enjoy indoor plumbing, though you rarely get to do the Charleston anymore. But at least you have fun at night using your Stereopticon.
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Reply #182 - Mar 3rd, 2017 at 1:43am
 
1984... Raven could be Setanta's child made legit at the last moment! Setanta would welcome a well spoken, courteous, articulate and principled a child as Raven. In fact he has a couple but the first was born in 1988.
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1984... Raven could be Setanta's child made legit at the last moment! Setanta would welcome a well spoken, courteous, articulate and principled a child as Raven. In fact he has a couple but the first was born in 1988.


You flatter Raven sir.
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Reply #184 - Mar 3rd, 2017 at 2:03am
 
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1984... Raven could be Setanta's child made legit at the last moment! Setanta would welcome a well spoken, courteous, articulate and principled a child as Raven. In fact he has a couple but the first was born in 1988.


You flatter Raven sir.


Deserved flattery is the truth.
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Reply #185 - Mar 3rd, 2017 at 2:52am
 
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1984... Raven could be Setanta's child made legit at the last moment! Setanta would welcome a well spoken, courteous, articulate and principled a child as Raven. In fact he has a couple but the first was born in 1988.


Raven's wife was born in 1988.
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Reply #186 - Mar 3rd, 2017 at 3:51am
 
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Setanta wrote on Mar 3rd, 2017 at 1:43am:
1984... Raven could be Setanta's child made legit at the last moment! Setanta would welcome a well spoken, courteous, articulate and principled a child as Raven. In fact he has a couple but the first was born in 1988.


Raven's wife was born in 1988.


Setanta doesn't have a daughter. He is enjoying his grand daughter and gets a twinge every time the son and inlaw talk about moving out. She loves me. Today she would not let me go and son asked why does she like you so much? She cries when taken from me. She's my friend.


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Reply #187 - Mar 3rd, 2017 at 6:34am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 9:29pm:
Valkie wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 6:49am:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 1st, 2017 at 11:17pm:
Valkie wrote on Mar 1st, 2017 at 5:33am:
While i must admit I am unfamiliar  with the qualifications you have stated, I must admit tgat they appear quite comprehensive.
Shall we agree then, that our education and intellegence therefore are indisputable.
We simply have a diconnect with regard to our, different, opinions of specifics.

You do not see the world as I do, perhaps the places you have seen and the people you have met may differ from tge ones I have.

I will never agree that Islam is anything less than a very malignant and socially crippling desease on the huma race or that me and mine are in some way responsible for Australian Aboriginal problems of their own making.
But perhaps we can dispense with the name calling and insults.

This is a simple request for mutual respect, even if our opinions differ poles apart.


Sure, we can differ but until you stop your outbursts of Racism and Islamophobia and Xenophobia, Valkie our disagreement will continue to flare into dispute.    There are ways of saying what you want to say in a civilised, non-Racist/non-Xenophobic/non-Islamophobic ways.  Stop acting like a schoolboy and start acting like an adult.  Do that I will treat you like an adult.



Then you will have to acknowledge that this CULT is nothing but an evil cult.
Its is nothing less and nothing more


Islam is a recognised religion around the world.   I am unsure why Islamophobes are afraid to admit that.   It's childish and silly.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Looks like a cult.
Smells like a CULT
Murders like a CULT
Oh My Goodness..............it is a CULT

Ten warning signs of a potentially unsafe group/cult.

Absolute authoritarianism without meaningful accountability.
No tolerance for questions or critical inquiry.
No meaningful financial disclosure regarding budget, expenses such as an independently audited financial statement.
Unreasonable fear about the outside world, such as impending catastrophe, evil conspiracies and persecutions.
There is no legitimate reason to leave, former followers are always wrong in leaving, negative or even evil.
Former members often relate the same stories of abuse and reflect a similar pattern of grievances.
There are records, books, news articles, or television programs that document the abuses of the group/leader.
Followers feel they can never be "good enough".
The group/leader is always right.
The group/leader is the exclusive means of knowing "truth" or receiving validation, no other process of discovery is really acceptable or credible.
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Reply #188 - Mar 3rd, 2017 at 8:24am
 
Raven wrote on Mar 3rd, 2017 at 1:34am:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 3rd, 2017 at 1:06am:
Setanta wrote on Mar 3rd, 2017 at 1:02am:
Raven wrote on Mar 3rd, 2017 at 12:53am:
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[quote author=Brian_Ross link=1487646898/153#153 date=1488453606]Nope.  Never claimed I was born in 1957.   Not sure where you're getting that from...   Roll Eyes


Then I assumed wrong. I'm sure that someone here posted their birth year to be 1957. Oh well...


Not me. Mine's 1959. Obviously a good year.




Young punk......... 1949 was a good year.....


1984, rolls off the tongue beautifully. Such a great year.



1984... yeeee-ussshh... need I say more?


You're not ageist are you? Of course not, you enjoy indoor plumbing, though you rarely get to do the Charleston anymore. But at least you have fun at night using your Stereopticon.



I was referring to the book... sort of... hold nothing against know-all young punks who've done a great job of stuffing up the nation.... (just digging at you for fun - I stir a bit)...
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Reply #189 - Mar 3rd, 2017 at 10:45am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 9:33pm:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 4:13pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 12:11am:
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I have a Ba, Ba (Hons), Ma, GradDip and Doctor of Divinity Degree, Valkie.   All in the Social Sciences.   I have over 25 years experience in IT working as a programmer, a Desktop support engineer, a SysAdmin and a Systems Engineer.   I specialise in Unix and Linux OSs and GIS. 


the social sciences are generally useless outside of universities. they mostly teach moral zealotry, as exemplified by yourself and most who've been through social science departments, and little in the way of critical thinking - or even practical thinking.


Yet I work in an field where critical thinking and practical thinking are highly valued.  Where did I learn those skills?  Primarily at University, studying history and politics (and geography).   Social Sciences teach critical thinking as does all University courses, CW.   One goes to University to primarily learn how to think, not to gain knowledge as such.   Roll Eyes


critical thinking isn't subject specific. it's little more than a bunch of inquiring techniques. it can be applied to history and politics but it's not intrinsically linked to those subjects. for example, learning marx isn't critical thinking. that's just memorisation. often, leftards think they're thinking critically because they can throw out a few marxist quotes here and there.


I never claimed it was "intrinsically" linked to anything.  History and Politics (and to a lesser extent Geography) were where I learnt to do it properly.   


That doesn't show. You repeat almost verbatim the 'blackarm band' view of history and the 'victim' politics found so readily in university.
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Reply #190 - Mar 3rd, 2017 at 12:09pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 3rd, 2017 at 1:08am:
rhino wrote on Mar 3rd, 2017 at 12:07am:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 11:32pm:
rhino wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 9:38pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 1:34am:
Silence. Yeah - that figures..... empty words are nothing..... little catch phrases are meaningless in the absence of fact....

Get a life.  Sometimes I've thought you had decent information to put across and such - but you lost me - Sonny!

Now you're mine, son...... you get to offend me once.
yeah,  yeah, unarmed combat specialist as well was it?



Never by choice..... I prefer to evade....
yeah, evade rapidly in a backwards motion.



And your response to cornering me is?  (snuckles under armpit)..... you truly are delusional.... imagine yourself any way you want, kid, in your own mind...

Stop being a d1ck and get on to discussion - d1ckhead.
Yet you are the one as here who invades every thread with tales of your alleged prowess in everything, so take your own advice. Stop being a twat and stick to the subjects instead of trying to  insert your own egocentric  personal monologue into everything.
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Reply #191 - Mar 3rd, 2017 at 12:39pm
 
No, Lets all be egocentric, its fun.

I played A grade tennis as a kid, but lost interest later when I started work.
I was a state swimmer, but when I went into the Nationals I was so badly beaten that I decided I would never be able to compete, so I gave up.
I was worthless at cricket, being poor I never had glasses and couldn't see the bloody ball properly.
I was also only average at AFL, not fast enough on my feet.
Cross country I was a real bonus for those in charge, when I came in they knew everyone else would be in as no one was slower.

I was good at orienteering, obstacle courses and other punishing pursuits, because I just don't give in.
A black belt in martial arts, but in competition the best I ever achieved was third place, Others always seemed to be faster than I.
But with some weapons I was undefeated, knives, boe staff etc, but those bloody nun chucks are a menace, never could master those things.

I can build almost anything, have skills and qualifications in several engineering fields.
I have teaching /training qualifications and have trained people for the last 35 years in various fields.
I have been everything from a fitter to an engineering manager and have been good at them all.
I have rebuilt several bathrooms, kitchens and done considerable home maintenance for friends and family.

I will help anyone who asks and I hold a grudge for nasty people.
I am the local fix it guy that everyone comes to when in trouble and have done midnight gyprock repairs when a kid has damaged a wall and mom didn't want dad to know about it when he came home and put up fences i  the middle of the night to help keep pets in when a storm took out the fence.

I like most people, regardless of who the are.

Thats me
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Reply #192 - Mar 3rd, 2017 at 4:42pm
 
Valkie wrote on Mar 3rd, 2017 at 6:34am:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 9:29pm:
Valkie wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 6:49am:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 1st, 2017 at 11:17pm:
Valkie wrote on Mar 1st, 2017 at 5:33am:
While i must admit I am unfamiliar  with the qualifications you have stated, I must admit tgat they appear quite comprehensive.
Shall we agree then, that our education and intellegence therefore are indisputable.
We simply have a diconnect with regard to our, different, opinions of specifics.

You do not see the world as I do, perhaps the places you have seen and the people you have met may differ from tge ones I have.

I will never agree that Islam is anything less than a very malignant and socially crippling desease on the huma race or that me and mine are in some way responsible for Australian Aboriginal problems of their own making.
But perhaps we can dispense with the name calling and insults.

This is a simple request for mutual respect, even if our opinions differ poles apart.


Sure, we can differ but until you stop your outbursts of Racism and Islamophobia and Xenophobia, Valkie our disagreement will continue to flare into dispute.    There are ways of saying what you want to say in a civilised, non-Racist/non-Xenophobic/non-Islamophobic ways.  Stop acting like a schoolboy and start acting like an adult.  Do that I will treat you like an adult.



Then you will have to acknowledge that this CULT is nothing but an evil cult.
Its is nothing less and nothing more


Islam is a recognised religion around the world.   I am unsure why Islamophobes are afraid to admit that.   It's childish and silly.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Looks like a cult.
Smells like a CULT
Murders like a CULT
Oh My Goodness..............it is a CULT

Ten warning signs of a potentially unsafe group/cult.

Absolute authoritarianism without meaningful accountability.
No tolerance for questions or critical inquiry.
No meaningful financial disclosure regarding budget, expenses such as an independently audited financial statement.
Unreasonable fear about the outside world, such as impending catastrophe, evil conspiracies and persecutions.
There is no legitimate reason to leave, former followers are always wrong in leaving, negative or even evil.
Former members often relate the same stories of abuse and reflect a similar pattern of grievances.
There are records, books, news articles, or television programs that document the abuses of the group/leader.
Followers feel they can never be "good enough".
The group/leader is always right.
The group/leader is the exclusive means of knowing "truth" or receiving validation, no other process of discovery is really acceptable or credible.


Islam is a recognised religion around the world.   I am unsure why Islamophobes are afraid to admit that.   It's childish and silly.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #193 - Mar 3rd, 2017 at 4:47pm
 
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 3rd, 2017 at 10:45am:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 9:33pm:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 4:13pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 12:11am:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 1st, 2017 at 12:54pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 28th, 2017 at 9:26pm:
I have a Ba, Ba (Hons), Ma, GradDip and Doctor of Divinity Degree, Valkie.   All in the Social Sciences.   I have over 25 years experience in IT working as a programmer, a Desktop support engineer, a SysAdmin and a Systems Engineer.   I specialise in Unix and Linux OSs and GIS. 


the social sciences are generally useless outside of universities. they mostly teach moral zealotry, as exemplified by yourself and most who've been through social science departments, and little in the way of critical thinking - or even practical thinking.


Yet I work in an field where critical thinking and practical thinking are highly valued.  Where did I learn those skills?  Primarily at University, studying history and politics (and geography).   Social Sciences teach critical thinking as does all University courses, CW.   One goes to University to primarily learn how to think, not to gain knowledge as such.   Roll Eyes


critical thinking isn't subject specific. it's little more than a bunch of inquiring techniques. it can be applied to history and politics but it's not intrinsically linked to those subjects. for example, learning marx isn't critical thinking. that's just memorisation. often, leftards think they're thinking critically because they can throw out a few marxist quotes here and there.


I never claimed it was "intrinsically" linked to anything.  History and Politics (and to a lesser extent Geography) were where I learnt to do it properly.   


That doesn't show. You repeat almost verbatim the 'blackarm band' view of history and the 'victim' politics found so readily in university.



Actually, I don't.  I am quite willing to accept that a great deal of the emphasis of the "Black Armband" viewpoint is based upon romanticism of how the Indigenous Australians lived.   Their lives tended to be nasty, brutish and unfortunately all too often short.   However, nor do I trumpet the "Three Cheers" view of historiography, CW.   I leave that to idiots like you.   What I do is point to the recognised historical research that proves what is claimed by the "Three Cheers" school is wrong.    You don't like facing up to the reality of what the Colonists did to their fellow Australians, do you?  Tsk, tsk.    Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes
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Valkie wrote on Mar 3rd, 2017 at 12:39pm:
No, Lets all be egocentric, its fun.

I played A grade tennis as a kid, but lost interest later when I started work.
I was a state swimmer, but when I went into the Nationals I was so badly beaten that I decided I would never be able to compete, so I gave up.
I was worthless at cricket, being poor I never had glasses and couldn't see the bloody ball properly.
I was also only average at AFL, not fast enough on my feet.
Cross country I was a real bonus for those in charge, when I came in they knew everyone else would be in as no one was slower.

I was good at orienteering, obstacle courses and other punishing pursuits, because I just don't give in.
A black belt in martial arts, but in competition the best I ever achieved was third place, Others always seemed to be faster than I.
But with some weapons I was undefeated, knives, boe staff etc, but those bloody nun chucks are a menace, never could master those things.

I can build almost anything, have skills and qualifications in several engineering fields.
I have teaching /training qualifications and have trained people for the last 35 years in various fields.
I have been everything from a fitter to an engineering manager and have been good at them all.
I have rebuilt several bathrooms, kitchens and done considerable home maintenance for friends and family.

I will help anyone who asks and I hold a grudge for nasty people.
I am the local fix it guy that everyone comes to when in trouble and have done midnight gyprock repairs when a kid has damaged a wall and mom didn't want dad to know about it when he came home and put up fences i  the middle of the night to help keep pets in when a storm took out the fence.

I like most people, regardless of who the are.

Thats me



Unless of course, they are Indigenous, immigrant or Muslim, right, Valkie?  You really do delude yourself.  You may believe you're a nice bloke but deep down, you're a Racist/Xenophobic/Islamophobic fool.   Tsk, tsk.    Roll Eyes
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Reply #195 - Mar 3rd, 2017 at 8:40pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 3rd, 2017 at 4:51pm:
Valkie wrote on Mar 3rd, 2017 at 12:39pm:
No, Lets all be egocentric, its fun.

I played A grade tennis as a kid, but lost interest later when I started work.
I was a state swimmer, but when I went into the Nationals I was so badly beaten that I decided I would never be able to compete, so I gave up.
I was worthless at cricket, being poor I never had glasses and couldn't see the bloody ball properly.
I was also only average at AFL, not fast enough on my feet.
Cross country I was a real bonus for those in charge, when I came in they knew everyone else would be in as no one was slower.

I was good at orienteering, obstacle courses and other punishing pursuits, because I just don't give in.
A black belt in martial arts, but in competition the best I ever achieved was third place, Others always seemed to be faster than I.
But with some weapons I was undefeated, knives, boe staff etc, but those bloody nun chucks are a menace, never could master those things.

I can build almost anything, have skills and qualifications in several engineering fields.
I have teaching /training qualifications and have trained people for the last 35 years in various fields.
I have been everything from a fitter to an engineering manager and have been good at them all.
I have rebuilt several bathrooms, kitchens and done considerable home maintenance for friends and family.

I will help anyone who asks and I hold a grudge for nasty people.
I am the local fix it guy that everyone comes to when in trouble and have done midnight gyprock repairs when a kid has damaged a wall and mom didn't want dad to know about it when he came home and put up fences i  the middle of the night to help keep pets in when a storm took out the fence.

I like most people, regardless of who the are.

Thats me



Unless of course, they are Indigenous, immigrant or Muslim, right, Valkie?  You really do delude yourself.  You may believe you're a nice bloke but deep down, you're a Racist/Xenophobic/Islamophobic fool.   Tsk, tsk.    Roll Eyes


Your comprehension is not all that good is it.
I have no problem with the Aboriginals, just the Culture of laziness and victim mentality.
It wouldn't matter if they were Abbo or white.

Have no problem with imigrants either, as I have stated many times, I have many immigrant friends and honestly believe that without these wonderful imigrants Australia would be so much the poorer.

Now as for islamaphobic, this make up word is just a way that this CULT tries to justify its self imposed isolation and abhorrent practices.
I have no phobia, I just do not trust, like or want this CULT in my country.
I don't like sewage, and take steps to ensure I never make contact with it, does that make me a sewaophobic?
I know coming into contact with sewage is bad for me, I'm not afraid of it, I just prefer to be away from it so that it does not contaminate me and my health.

This CULT, for that is exactly what it is, is known the world over for its abhorrent and barbaric practices, practices that it has brought with it to Australia.
You know what I mean.
Wife beating, Terrorism, Pedophelia marriage, FGM and pack rape.
These and other equally abhorrent, primitive and barbaric practices you refuse to admit to, but are never the less common and frequent in the secretive and isolated CULT membership.

You will never see this CULT for the evil it is, I know not why.
I have seen what countries that are ruled by this CULT are like, they are not nice places to visit.
The people, their own people, live in constant and total fear.
The religious leaders are continually fighting for power and kill without reason or compassion.
Women mean nothing to these people, they are treated like animals, beaten and murdered without a thought.

I watched a man have his hand and foot cut off on the street for some minor crime.
I ordered, cajoled and begged the driver to get away from this barbarity, but he was too frightened to drive away as this was a public punishment and to leave would be a bad thing.

Never have I been happier to leave a hell hole as I was that day.
And this you want to bring here.
It is not me who is the fool, it is you.
A fool for believing this CULT has anything worthy about it.
A fool for thinking that this CULT is anything but pure evil.
A fool for listening to the propaganda spewed forth by this lying, barbaric and brutal CULT.

You can tell me nothing of the good this cult does, because you know it does no good anywhere.
Every country infected by this CULT has suffered for it.
Have a look at what is going on in Sweden, go ahead, get on the web and see for yourself.
No go areas where the police do not dare to go.
Rapes, murders and barbaric practices all in the name of MuttHELLmud.

Call me an islamaphobe, I care not, I wear it as a badge of honor.
But a racist, never, that is your badge



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Valkie wrote on Mar 3rd, 2017 at 8:40pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 3rd, 2017 at 4:51pm:
Valkie wrote on Mar 3rd, 2017 at 12:39pm:
No, Lets all be egocentric, its fun.

I played A grade tennis as a kid, but lost interest later when I started work.
I was a state swimmer, but when I went into the Nationals I was so badly beaten that I decided I would never be able to compete, so I gave up.
I was worthless at cricket, being poor I never had glasses and couldn't see the bloody ball properly.
I was also only average at AFL, not fast enough on my feet.
Cross country I was a real bonus for those in charge, when I came in they knew everyone else would be in as no one was slower.

I was good at orienteering, obstacle courses and other punishing pursuits, because I just don't give in.
A black belt in martial arts, but in competition the best I ever achieved was third place, Others always seemed to be faster than I.
But with some weapons I was undefeated, knives, boe staff etc, but those bloody nun chucks are a menace, never could master those things.

I can build almost anything, have skills and qualifications in several engineering fields.
I have teaching /training qualifications and have trained people for the last 35 years in various fields.
I have been everything from a fitter to an engineering manager and have been good at them all.
I have rebuilt several bathrooms, kitchens and done considerable home maintenance for friends and family.

I will help anyone who asks and I hold a grudge for nasty people.
I am the local fix it guy that everyone comes to when in trouble and have done midnight gyprock repairs when a kid has damaged a wall and mom didn't want dad to know about it when he came home and put up fences i  the middle of the night to help keep pets in when a storm took out the fence.

I like most people, regardless of who the are.

Thats me



Unless of course, they are Indigenous, immigrant or Muslim, right, Valkie?  You really do delude yourself.  You may believe you're a nice bloke but deep down, you're a Racist/Xenophobic/Islamophobic fool.   Tsk, tsk.    Roll Eyes


Your comprehension is not all that good is it.
I have no problem with the Aboriginals, just the Culture of laziness and victim mentality.
It wouldn't matter if they were Abbo or white.

Have no problem with imigrants either, as I have stated many times, I have many immigrant friends and honestly believe that without these wonderful imigrants Australia would be so much the poorer.

Now as for islamaphobic, this make up word is just a way that this CULT tries to justify its self imposed isolation and abhorrent practices.
I have no phobia, I just do not trust, like or want this CULT in my country.
I don't like sewage, and take steps to ensure I never make contact with it, does that make me a sewaophobic?
I know coming into contact with sewage is bad for me, I'm not afraid of it, I just prefer to be away from it so that it does not contaminate me and my health.

This CULT, for that is exactly what it is, is known the world over for its abhorrent and barbaric practices, practices that it has brought with it to Australia.
You know what I mean.
Wife beating, Terrorism, Pedophelia marriage, FGM and pack rape.
These and other equally abhorrent, primitive and barbaric practices you refuse to admit to, but are never the less common and frequent in the secretive and isolated CULT membership.

You will never see this CULT for the evil it is, I know not why.
I have seen what countries that are ruled by this CULT are like, they are not nice places to visit.
The people, their own people, live in constant and total fear.
The religious leaders are continually fighting for power and kill without reason or compassion.
Women mean nothing to these people, they are treated like animals, beaten and murdered without a thought.

I watched a man have his hand and foot cut off on the street for some minor crime.
I ordered, cajoled and begged the driver to get away from this barbarity, but he was too frightened to drive away as this was a public punishment and to leave would be a bad thing.

Never have I been happier to leave a hell hole as I was that day.
And this you want to bring here.
It is not me who is the fool, it is you.
A fool for believing this CULT has anything worthy about it.
A fool for thinking that this CULT is anything but pure evil.
A fool for listening to the propaganda spewed forth by this lying, barbaric and brutal CULT.

You can tell me nothing of the good this cult does, because you know it does no good anywhere.
Every country infected by this CULT has suffered for it.
Have a look at what is going on in Sweden, go ahead, get on the web and see for yourself.
No go areas where the police do not dare to go.
Rapes, murders and barbaric practices all in the name of MuttHELLmud.

Call me an islamaphobe, I care not, I wear it as a badge of honor.
But a racist, never, that is your badge


Nope.  It sits squarely on your shirt, Valkie.

You may delude yourself but your attitude is racist in extremis.   What you describe as "laziness" and "victimhood" is not common amongst most Indigenous Australians.  I suspect you've never even met an Indigenous Australian, just as I suspect you've never met a Muslim.   Your ignorance, in the day of the World Wide Web is appalling.  It is obviously wilful and it is based upon prejudice and foolishness.  Run along to bed, Valkie.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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yawn.  Think I'll snooze now...
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Brian Ross wrote on Mar 3rd, 2017 at 4:42pm:
Islam is a recognised religion around the world.   I am unsure why Islamophobes are afraid to admit that.   It's childish and silly.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


What are you trying to say? I have not seen anyone saying it's not one of the major religions of the world. I have seen people, myself included, that think it's a pretty f'd up religion, amongst religions, and it's culture and laws follow it everywhere.

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Nope.  It sits squarely on your shirt, Valkie.

You may delude yourself but your attitude is racist in extremis.   What you describe as "laziness" and "victimhood" is not common amongst most Indigenous Australians.  I suspect you've never even met an Indigenous Australian, just as I suspect you've never met a Muslim.   Your ignorance, in the day of the World Wide Web is appalling.  It is obviously wilful and it is based upon prejudice and foolishness.  Run along to bed, Valkie.



It is you who is in denial.
I have aboriginal friends of both the working and lazy brands.
The working ones generally look down on their lazy brethren with disdain.
They call them white Abbos, because, in most cases, they are.

My friends and I have had many discussions about the Aboriginal culture and we have argued and agreed on many points.
They are not blind or stupid, we all agree on one point though, its up to them to be better, not the white man to make them better.

As for Muslims, I have a few friends who are Muslims, not many granted, but a few.
One and all, they are not what a good muzzo would be happy with.
They drink beer, eat meat that is not slaughtered barbarically and left to bleed to death.
The only reason they don't forsake the CULT is that they actually fear the possible reprisals for their actions.
They have lost the faith and now have no belief in any religion.

I have had some acquaintances with Muslims when I was overseas and I find I do not trust them.
They do not trust each other and the barbaric practices I observed in the few short weeks I was there disgusted me.

I do not troll the WWW as it is tainted with propaganda and deceit.
I prefer to actually see with mine own eyes, but it can be useful in some instances when it shows things our Grubberment refuse to allow shown or hide from us.

So my inane friend.
It is you who have not seen the barbarity, the evil in this CULT.
You who seek to protect it from the justified scrutiny and judgement that is its due.
Wake up, or if you are the spokesperson for this CULT, just shut us as you are uncovered.
This CULT is evil, and those seeking to protect it are evil.
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Brian Ross wrote on Mar 3rd, 2017 at 4:47pm:
Actually, I don't.  I am quite willing to accept that a great deal of the emphasis of the "Black Armband" viewpoint is based upon romanticism of how the Indigenous Australians lived.   Their lives tended to be nasty, brutish and unfortunately all too often short.   However, nor do I trumpet the "Three Cheers" view of historiography, CW.   I leave that to idiots like you.   What I do is point to the recognised historical research that proves what is claimed by the "Three Cheers" school is wrong.    You don't like facing up to the reality of what the Colonists did to their fellow Australians, do you?  Tsk, tsk.    Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes


the 'three cheers' view hasn't been taught for about 50 years. i think you'd struggle to find any australian history course taught today that puts settlement in a positive light. one course i took back in 2003 was all about 'sexism', 'racism', 'xenophobia' etc. i learnt nothing of how australia was settled or even any major event that shaped the country. any true history course needs to take into account the morality and major perspectives of the times. only then can people understand why things happened as they did. projecting 2017 morality back onto the past does nothing to understand the past. all it tells us is what the morals and values of today are.
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Reply #201 - Mar 5th, 2017 at 1:59am
 
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 4th, 2017 at 8:11am:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 3rd, 2017 at 4:47pm:
Actually, I don't.  I am quite willing to accept that a great deal of the emphasis of the "Black Armband" viewpoint is based upon romanticism of how the Indigenous Australians lived.   Their lives tended to be nasty, brutish and unfortunately all too often short.   However, nor do I trumpet the "Three Cheers" view of historiography, CW.   I leave that to idiots like you.   What I do is point to the recognised historical research that proves what is claimed by the "Three Cheers" school is wrong.    You don't like facing up to the reality of what the Colonists did to their fellow Australians, do you?  Tsk, tsk.    Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes


the 'three cheers' view hasn't been taught for about 50 years. i think you'd struggle to find any australian history course taught today that puts settlement in a positive light. one course i took back in 2003 was all about 'sexism', 'racism', 'xenophobia' etc. i learnt nothing of how australia was settled or even any major event that shaped the country. any true history course needs to take into account the morality and major perspectives of the times. only then can people understand why things happened as they did. projecting 2017 morality back onto the past does nothing to understand the past. all it tells us is what the morals and values of today are.



When I did Australian History in High School.. 5th form ..  we learned NOTHING about the people displaced by European settlement.

I can only recall a  lot of dry legal stuff. Nothing that made me knowledgeable about the first people of the land.

Skippy was about as deep as it got, back then.
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Reply #202 - Mar 5th, 2017 at 2:06am
 
Emma wrote on Mar 5th, 2017 at 1:59am:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 4th, 2017 at 8:11am:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 3rd, 2017 at 4:47pm:
Actually, I don't.  I am quite willing to accept that a great deal of the emphasis of the "Black Armband" viewpoint is based upon romanticism of how the Indigenous Australians lived.   Their lives tended to be nasty, brutish and unfortunately all too often short.   However, nor do I trumpet the "Three Cheers" view of historiography, CW.   I leave that to idiots like you.   What I do is point to the recognised historical research that proves what is claimed by the "Three Cheers" school is wrong.    You don't like facing up to the reality of what the Colonists did to their fellow Australians, do you?  Tsk, tsk.    Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes


the 'three cheers' view hasn't been taught for about 50 years. i think you'd struggle to find any australian history course taught today that puts settlement in a positive light. one course i took back in 2003 was all about 'sexism', 'racism', 'xenophobia' etc. i learnt nothing of how australia was settled or even any major event that shaped the country. any true history course needs to take into account the morality and major perspectives of the times. only then can people understand why things happened as they did. projecting 2017 morality back onto the past does nothing to understand the past. all it tells us is what the morals and values of today are.



When I did Australian History in High School.. 5th form ..  we learned NOTHING about the people displaced by European settlement.

I can only recall a  lot of dry legal stuff. Nothing that made me knowledgeable about the first people of the land.

Skippy was about as deep as it got, back then.


Did you learn why people were sent here? That it was, for them, do as they had been taught by their transportation or die. We were told the the minimum as you cannot teach all in school, that's what history at Uni is for. It sucks, yes, but for those sent here it was do or die.

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Emma wrote on Mar 5th, 2017 at 1:59am:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 4th, 2017 at 8:11am:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 3rd, 2017 at 4:47pm:
Actually, I don't.  I am quite willing to accept that a great deal of the emphasis of the "Black Armband" viewpoint is based upon romanticism of how the Indigenous Australians lived.   Their lives tended to be nasty, brutish and unfortunately all too often short.   However, nor do I trumpet the "Three Cheers" view of historiography, CW.   I leave that to idiots like you.   What I do is point to the recognised historical research that proves what is claimed by the "Three Cheers" school is wrong.    You don't like facing up to the reality of what the Colonists did to their fellow Australians, do you?  Tsk, tsk.    Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes


the 'three cheers' view hasn't been taught for about 50 years. i think you'd struggle to find any australian history course taught today that puts settlement in a positive light. one course i took back in 2003 was all about 'sexism', 'racism', 'xenophobia' etc. i learnt nothing of how australia was settled or even any major event that shaped the country. any true history course needs to take into account the morality and major perspectives of the times. only then can people understand why things happened as they did. projecting 2017 morality back onto the past does nothing to understand the past. all it tells us is what the morals and values of today are.



When I did Australian History in High School.. 5th form ..  we learned NOTHING about the people displaced by European settlement.

I can only recall a  lot of dry legal stuff. Nothing that made me knowledgeable about the first people of the land.

Skippy was about as deep as it got, back then.


aren't you about 60?
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Maybe this should read - 'Aboriginals Adopted'....
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Reply #205 - Mar 5th, 2017 at 12:21pm
 
Setanta wrote on Mar 5th, 2017 at 2:06am:
Emma wrote on Mar 5th, 2017 at 1:59am:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 4th, 2017 at 8:11am:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 3rd, 2017 at 4:47pm:
Actually, I don't.  I am quite willing to accept that a great deal of the emphasis of the "Black Armband" viewpoint is based upon romanticism of how the Indigenous Australians lived.   Their lives tended to be nasty, brutish and unfortunately all too often short.   However, nor do I trumpet the "Three Cheers" view of historiography, CW.   I leave that to idiots like you.   What I do is point to the recognised historical research that proves what is claimed by the "Three Cheers" school is wrong.    You don't like facing up to the reality of what the Colonists did to their fellow Australians, do you?  Tsk, tsk.    Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes


the 'three cheers' view hasn't been taught for about 50 years. i think you'd struggle to find any australian history course taught today that puts settlement in a positive light. one course i took back in 2003 was all about 'sexism', 'racism', 'xenophobia' etc. i learnt nothing of how australia was settled or even any major event that shaped the country. any true history course needs to take into account the morality and major perspectives of the times. only then can people understand why things happened as they did. projecting 2017 morality back onto the past does nothing to understand the past. all it tells us is what the morals and values of today are.



When I did Australian History in High School.. 5th form ..  we learned NOTHING about the people displaced by European settlement.

I can only recall a  lot of dry legal stuff. Nothing that made me knowledgeable about the first people of the land.

Skippy was about as deep as it got, back then.


Did you learn why people were sent here? That it was, for them, do as they had been taught by their transportation or die. We were told the the minimum as you cannot teach all in school, that's what history at Uni is for. It sucks, yes, but for those sent here it was do or die.



Argh- you old Fennian you..
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Reply #206 - Mar 5th, 2017 at 3:40pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 3rd, 2017 at 8:24am:
Raven wrote on Mar 3rd, 2017 at 1:34am:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 3rd, 2017 at 1:06am:
Setanta wrote on Mar 3rd, 2017 at 1:02am:
Raven wrote on Mar 3rd, 2017 at 12:53am:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 11:30pm:
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UnSubRocky wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 11:12pm:
[quote author=Brian_Ross link=1487646898/153#153 date=1488453606]Nope.  Never claimed I was born in 1957.   Not sure where you're getting that from...   Roll Eyes


Then I assumed wrong. I'm sure that someone here posted their birth year to be 1957. Oh well...


Not me. Mine's 1959. Obviously a good year.




Young punk......... 1949 was a good year.....


1984, rolls off the tongue beautifully. Such a great year.



1984... yeeee-ussshh... need I say more?


You're not ageist are you? Of course not, you enjoy indoor plumbing, though you rarely get to do the Charleston anymore. But at least you have fun at night using your Stereopticon.



I was referring to the book... sort of... hold nothing against know-all young punks who've done a great job of stuffing up the nation.... (just digging at you for fun - I stir a bit)...


The young punks stuffed up the nation hey?

From almost any vantage point you take, the Baby Boomers are the worst generation in world history.

"Back in my day" Raven has lost count over the number of times he has heard those four condescending words.

And while those pearls of wisdom are meant with good intentions a majority of the time, the fact remains things have changed. The world is unfortunately not the same simple place it was back when Baby Boomers and Generation X started out.

The truth is we are, ultimately, a product of our environment. We have inherited an unsavoury position, and we are doing the best with the lot we have been given.

Unfortunately, Generation Y still cops a lot of flack for things we have no control over. Baby Boomers (those born 1946 to 1964) were the most selfish generation in history and the next generations are paying the bill by being forced to enter the workforce debt-ridden.

After they got a free ride through secondary education, Baby Boomer pollies created HECS which leaves the majority of University-educated Millennials with lifelong debts.

Then we get criticised because we’re living with our parents longer than ever before.

But back in 1980, the median home price in Raven's home town of Darwin was only $37,500. With inflation taken into account, that would now be $148,947. For reference, the median home price hit $625,000 in 2015.

In other words, we’re now forking out over four times what people in the 80s were for a home. Not exactly fair.

Even the 2013 The Wealth of Generations report from the Grattan Institute found Millennials will be the first to have less wealth than the previous generation because they have been shut-out from the housing market.

Though this thread is not the place to talk about it.

Raven will start his own topic on this.



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Brian Ross wrote on Mar 3rd, 2017 at 4:42pm:
Islam is a recognised religion around the world.   I am unsure why Islamophobes are afraid to admit that.   It's childish and silly.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


What are you trying to say? I have not seen anyone saying it's not one of the major religions of the world. I have seen people, myself included, that think it's a pretty f'd up religion, amongst religions, and it's culture and laws follow it everywhere.


Valkie amongst others, claims that Islam is a "cult", not a religion.   Read more widely, Setanta, please.    Roll Eyes
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Reply #208 - Mar 5th, 2017 at 4:25pm
 
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 4th, 2017 at 8:11am:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 3rd, 2017 at 4:47pm:
Actually, I don't.  I am quite willing to accept that a great deal of the emphasis of the "Black Armband" viewpoint is based upon romanticism of how the Indigenous Australians lived.   Their lives tended to be nasty, brutish and unfortunately all too often short.   However, nor do I trumpet the "Three Cheers" view of historiography, CW.   I leave that to idiots like you.   What I do is point to the recognised historical research that proves what is claimed by the "Three Cheers" school is wrong.    You don't like facing up to the reality of what the Colonists did to their fellow Australians, do you?  Tsk, tsk.    Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes


the 'three cheers' view hasn't been taught for about 50 years. i think you'd struggle to find any australian history course taught today that puts settlement in a positive light. one course i took back in 2003 was all about 'sexism', 'racism', 'xenophobia' etc. i learnt nothing of how australia was settled or even any major event that shaped the country. any true history course needs to take into account the morality and major perspectives of the times. only then can people understand why things happened as they did. projecting 2017 morality back onto the past does nothing to understand the past. all it tells us is what the morals and values of today are.


Yet we have the ex-Prime Minister, John Winston Howard and his coterie of cheer leaders who have espoused the Three Cheers school, who in fact actually identified the Black Armband for what it was, in their view.  They have endeavoured to change the school curricular towards their view.  To them, the colonists did no wrong, they committed no crimes and they hurt no one when they settled Australia.   Reality was somewhat different.  Today, we are in a pendulum swing back towards the middle, which is where it belongs.   Colonists committed grave errors, made great mistakes, killed Indigenous Australians, stole their land, destroyed their culture and their society and stole their children.  All established facts, admitted to by the States and Federal Government.  In doing so, they created modern Australia and all we can do today is admit our errors and attempt to fix the.  Today, Indigenous Australians have their property rights recognised, they have been apologised to, in South Australia they are seriously preparing a Treaty.    Time to wake up CW and smell the coffee.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

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Raven wrote on Mar 5th, 2017 at 3:40pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 3rd, 2017 at 8:24am:
Raven wrote on Mar 3rd, 2017 at 1:34am:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 3rd, 2017 at 1:06am:
Setanta wrote on Mar 3rd, 2017 at 1:02am:
Raven wrote on Mar 3rd, 2017 at 12:53am:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 11:30pm:
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UnSubRocky wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 11:12pm:
[quote author=Brian_Ross link=1487646898/153#153 date=1488453606]Nope.  Never claimed I was born in 1957.   Not sure where you're getting that from...   Roll Eyes


Then I assumed wrong. I'm sure that someone here posted their birth year to be 1957. Oh well...


Not me. Mine's 1959. Obviously a good year.




Young punk......... 1949 was a good year.....


1984, rolls off the tongue beautifully. Such a great year.



1984... yeeee-ussshh... need I say more?


You're not ageist are you? Of course not, you enjoy indoor plumbing, though you rarely get to do the Charleston anymore. But at least you have fun at night using your Stereopticon.



I was referring to the book... sort of... hold nothing against know-all young punks who've done a great job of stuffing up the nation.... (just digging at you for fun - I stir a bit)...


The young punks stuffed up the nation hey?

From almost any vantage point you take, the Baby Boomers are the worst generation in world history.

"Back in my day" Raven has lost count over the number of times he has heard those four condescending words.

And while those pearls of wisdom are meant with good intentions a majority of the time, the fact remains things have changed. The world is unfortunately not the same simple place it was back when Baby Boomers and Generation X started out.

The truth is we are, ultimately, a product of our environment. We have inherited an unsavoury position, and we are doing the best with the lot we have been given.

Unfortunately, Generation Y still cops a lot of flack for things we have no control over. Baby Boomers (those born 1946 to 1964) were the most selfish generation in history and the next generations are paying the bill by being forced to enter the workforce debt-ridden.

After they got a free ride through secondary education, Baby Boomer pollies created HECS which leaves the majority of University-educated Millennials with lifelong debts.

Then we get criticised because we’re living with our parents longer than ever before.

But back in 1980, the median home price in Raven's home town of Darwin was only $37,500. With inflation taken into account, that would now be $148,947. For reference, the median home price hit $625,000 in 2015.

In other words, we’re now forking out over four times what people in the 80s were for a home. Not exactly fair.

Even the 2013 The Wealth of Generations report from the Grattan Institute found Millennials will be the first to have less wealth than the previous generation because they have been shut-out from the housing market.

Though this thread is not the place to talk about it.

Raven will start his own topic on this.






You're blaming all those hard-working, conscientious, loyal to the core people who raised this nation up - instead of looking fairly and squarely at the political class and the business class for stuffing things up for everyone?

How about you focus on the real baddies instead of throwing buckets of shot over all?  That might help your lazy lot get ahead...
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Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 5th, 2017 at 7:42pm:
Raven wrote on Mar 5th, 2017 at 3:40pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 3rd, 2017 at 8:24am:
Raven wrote on Mar 3rd, 2017 at 1:34am:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 3rd, 2017 at 1:06am:
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Raven wrote on Mar 3rd, 2017 at 12:53am:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 11:30pm:
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UnSubRocky wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 11:12pm:
[quote author=Brian_Ross link=1487646898/153#153 date=1488453606]Nope.  Never claimed I was born in 1957.   Not sure where you're getting that from...   Roll Eyes


Then I assumed wrong. I'm sure that someone here posted their birth year to be 1957. Oh well...


Not me. Mine's 1959. Obviously a good year.




Young punk......... 1949 was a good year.....


1984, rolls off the tongue beautifully. Such a great year.



1984... yeeee-ussshh... need I say more?


You're not ageist are you? Of course not, you enjoy indoor plumbing, though you rarely get to do the Charleston anymore. But at least you have fun at night using your Stereopticon.



I was referring to the book... sort of... hold nothing against know-all young punks who've done a great job of stuffing up the nation.... (just digging at you for fun - I stir a bit)...


The young punks stuffed up the nation hey?

From almost any vantage point you take, the Baby Boomers are the worst generation in world history.

"Back in my day" Raven has lost count over the number of times he has heard those four condescending words.

And while those pearls of wisdom are meant with good intentions a majority of the time, the fact remains things have changed. The world is unfortunately not the same simple place it was back when Baby Boomers and Generation X started out.

The truth is we are, ultimately, a product of our environment. We have inherited an unsavoury position, and we are doing the best with the lot we have been given.

Unfortunately, Generation Y still cops a lot of flack for things we have no control over. Baby Boomers (those born 1946 to 1964) were the most selfish generation in history and the next generations are paying the bill by being forced to enter the workforce debt-ridden.

After they got a free ride through secondary education, Baby Boomer pollies created HECS which leaves the majority of University-educated Millennials with lifelong debts.

Then we get criticised because we’re living with our parents longer than ever before.

But back in 1980, the median home price in Raven's home town of Darwin was only $37,500. With inflation taken into account, that would now be $148,947. For reference, the median home price hit $625,000 in 2015.

In other words, we’re now forking out over four times what people in the 80s were for a home. Not exactly fair.

Even the 2013 The Wealth of Generations report from the Grattan Institute found Millennials will be the first to have less wealth than the previous generation because they have been shut-out from the housing market.

Though this thread is not the place to talk about it.

Raven will start his own topic on this.






You're blaming all those hard-working, conscientious, loyal to the core people who raised this nation up - instead of looking fairly and squarely at the political class and the business class for stuffing things up for everyone?

How about you focus on the real baddies instead of throwing buckets of shot over all?  That might help your lazy lot get ahead...



Oh its easy now.

Just float a boat from some shiehole country and claim asylum and you get free everything.
Then become a part of the Barbaric CULT and you have it made.
You can be a pedophile if you belong to this CULT and marry a baby.
You can have your wife mutilated genitally so that she wont stray and then you could put her in a tent to hide the fact that you have a baby for a bride.
You would of course have to go screaming RACISM and islamophobia all the time and you would have to stick your bum in your boyfrends face several times a day, but hey, you would never ever have to actually do any work in your life.
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Tsk, tsk, more Islamophobia, Valkie?  Stop it, you'll go blind if you keep doing this!   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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What exactly is wrong with hating Islam? It's not exactly an accommodating, easy-going and friendly creed.

Why not hate and despise it? People hate much lesser things without remark: Brussels sprouts, Scientology, pompous buffoons called Brian Ross, etc.




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What exactly is wrong with hating Islam? It's not exactly an accommodating, easy-going and friendly creed.

Why not hate and despise it? People hate much lesser things without remark: Brussels sprouts, Scientology, pompous buffoons called Brian Ross, etc.


Such ad hominem, Soren?  Tsk, tsk, stop it you'll go blind!   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Middle eastern culture is abhorrent, and the religion they invented is part of their culture. Thats the reality.
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Setanta wrote on Mar 4th, 2017 at 2:50am:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 3rd, 2017 at 4:42pm:
Islam is a recognised religion around the world.   I am unsure why Islamophobes are afraid to admit that.   It's childish and silly.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


What are you trying to say? I have not seen anyone saying it's not one of the major religions of the world. I have seen people, myself included, that think it's a pretty f'd up religion, amongst religions, and it's culture and laws follow it everywhere.


Valkie amongst others, claims that Islam is a "cult", not a religion.   Read more widely, Setanta, please.    Roll Eyes


Ah.. OK. Cult, religion, only difference is the number of adherents and organisation. Both are pretty much equal. It started as a cult and was spread by the sword to become a religion.

I have no idea why any secularist would defend Islam. I would defend it adherents as human beings but the teachings they follow suck pig nuts.
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Setanta wrote on Mar 5th, 2017 at 11:56pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 5th, 2017 at 3:53pm:
Setanta wrote on Mar 4th, 2017 at 2:50am:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 3rd, 2017 at 4:42pm:
Islam is a recognised religion around the world.   I am unsure why Islamophobes are afraid to admit that.   It's childish and silly.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


What are you trying to say? I have not seen anyone saying it's not one of the major religions of the world. I have seen people, myself included, that think it's a pretty f'd up religion, amongst religions, and it's culture and laws follow it everywhere.


Valkie amongst others, claims that Islam is a "cult", not a religion.   Read more widely, Setanta, please.    Roll Eyes


Ah.. OK. Cult, religion, only difference is the number of adherents and organisation. Both are pretty much equal. It started as a cult and was spread by the sword to become a religion.

I have no idea why any secularist would defend Islam. I would defend it adherents as human beings but the teachings they follow suck pig nuts.


Well, I am actually defending its adherents more than the religion, which I consider comparable to all other religions.  Capable of great things but also capable of bad things, terrible things as well.   Roll Eyes
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Middle eastern culture is abhorrent, and the religion they invented is part of their culture. Thats the reality.


You really shouldn't condemn Christianity like that, Rhino.   Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes
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Reply #218 - Mar 6th, 2017 at 12:13am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 12:09am:
Setanta wrote on Mar 5th, 2017 at 11:56pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 5th, 2017 at 3:53pm:
Setanta wrote on Mar 4th, 2017 at 2:50am:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 3rd, 2017 at 4:42pm:
Islam is a recognised religion around the world.   I am unsure why Islamophobes are afraid to admit that.   It's childish and silly.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


What are you trying to say? I have not seen anyone saying it's not one of the major religions of the world. I have seen people, myself included, that think it's a pretty f'd up religion, amongst religions, and it's culture and laws follow it everywhere.


Valkie amongst others, claims that Islam is a "cult", not a religion.   Read more widely, Setanta, please.    Roll Eyes


Ah.. OK. Cult, religion, only difference is the number of adherents and organisation. Both are pretty much equal. It started as a cult and was spread by the sword to become a religion.

I have no idea why any secularist would defend Islam. I would defend it adherents as human beings but the teachings they follow suck pig nuts.


Well, I am actually defending its adherents more than the religion, which I consider comparable to all other religions.  Capable of great things but also capable of bad things, terrible things as well.   Roll Eyes


Then do so and call a spade a spade. Religions are not capable of great things, just because  a society that holds a religion does great things does not mean the religion did jack. People do great things. In fact it's often in spite of the religion people do great things.
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Brian Ross wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 12:10am:
rhino wrote on Mar 5th, 2017 at 11:39pm:
Middle eastern culture is abhorrent, and the religion they invented is part of their culture. Thats the reality.


You really shouldn't condemn Christianity like that, Rhino.   Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes


I do.. Tsk Tsk me too. I wonder how Copernicus and Galileo felt furthering our knowledge.
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Setanta wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 12:13am:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 12:09am:
Setanta wrote on Mar 5th, 2017 at 11:56pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 5th, 2017 at 3:53pm:
Setanta wrote on Mar 4th, 2017 at 2:50am:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 3rd, 2017 at 4:42pm:
Islam is a recognised religion around the world.   I am unsure why Islamophobes are afraid to admit that.   It's childish and silly.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


What are you trying to say? I have not seen anyone saying it's not one of the major religions of the world. I have seen people, myself included, that think it's a pretty f'd up religion, amongst religions, and it's culture and laws follow it everywhere.


Valkie amongst others, claims that Islam is a "cult", not a religion.   Read more widely, Setanta, please.    Roll Eyes


Ah.. OK. Cult, religion, only difference is the number of adherents and organisation. Both are pretty much equal. It started as a cult and was spread by the sword to become a religion.

I have no idea why any secularist would defend Islam. I would defend it adherents as human beings but the teachings they follow suck pig nuts.


Well, I am actually defending its adherents more than the religion, which I consider comparable to all other religions.  Capable of great things but also capable of bad things, terrible things as well.   Roll Eyes


Then do so and call a spade a spade. Religions are not capable of great things, just because  a society that holds a religion does great things does not mean the religion did jack. People do great things. In fact it's often in spite of the religion people do great things.


People, inspired by religion do great things, Setanta.   People inspired by religion do bad and terrible things as well.   It is an unfortunate fact of life and as much as we can appreciate that, we must also appreciate that the great things cannot be ignored either.   Music and art are the two main great things that I admire about religion.  I love early Christian music and I love Islamic music.
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Setanta wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 12:15am:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 12:10am:
rhino wrote on Mar 5th, 2017 at 11:39pm:
Middle eastern culture is abhorrent, and the religion they invented is part of their culture. Thats the reality.


You really shouldn't condemn Christianity like that, Rhino.   Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes


I do.. Tsk Tsk me too. I wonder how Copernicus and Galileo felt furthering our knowledge.


Yet their furthering of our knowledge still happened, Setanta.  In the case of Copernicus, the same man who created the first printed Bible also printed his work on the celestial spheres...
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Then do so and call a spade a spade. Religions are not capable of great things, just because  a society that holds a religion does great things does not mean the religion did jack. People do great things. In fact it's often in spite of the religion people do great things.


People, inspired by religion do great things, Setanta.   People inspired by religion do bad and terrible things as well.   It is an unfortunate fact of life and as much as we can appreciate that, we must also appreciate that the great things cannot be ignored either.   Music and art are the two main great things that I admire about religion.  I love early Christian music and I love Islamic music.


People being people would do great things regardless of their beliefs, their religion may tint art but it cannot tint science and knowledge. it often retards it.
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Setanta wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 12:47am:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 12:43am:
Setanta wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 12:13am:
Then do so and call a spade a spade. Religions are not capable of great things, just because  a society that holds a religion does great things does not mean the religion did jack. People do great things. In fact it's often in spite of the religion people do great things.


People, inspired by religion do great things, Setanta.   People inspired by religion do bad and terrible things as well.   It is an unfortunate fact of life and as much as we can appreciate that, we must also appreciate that the great things cannot be ignored either.   Music and art are the two main great things that I admire about religion.  I love early Christian music and I love Islamic music.


People being people would do great things regardless of their beliefs, their religion may tint art but it cannot tint science and knowledge. it often retards it.


True.  Those that fear to look at reality and to wonder at it, fear new knowledge that might upset their beliefs.   Interestingly, the Vatican established one of the first proper Astronomical Departments in the hills outside Rome IIRC in the mid-nineteenth century.   They provide us with some of the best early scientific observations of the Sun.  Something that is proving invaluable in Climate Change studies.
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Brian Ross wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 12:53am:
Setanta wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 12:47am:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 12:43am:
Setanta wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 12:13am:
Then do so and call a spade a spade. Religions are not capable of great things, just because  a society that holds a religion does great things does not mean the religion did jack. People do great things. In fact it's often in spite of the religion people do great things.


People, inspired by religion do great things, Setanta.   People inspired by religion do bad and terrible things as well.   It is an unfortunate fact of life and as much as we can appreciate that, we must also appreciate that the great things cannot be ignored either.   Music and art are the two main great things that I admire about religion.  I love early Christian music and I love Islamic music.


People being people would do great things regardless of their beliefs, their religion may tint art but it cannot tint science and knowledge. it often retards it.


True.  Those that fear to look at reality and to wonder at it, fear new knowledge that might upset their beliefs.   Interestingly, the Vatican established one of the first proper Astronomical Departments in the hills outside Rome IIRC in the mid-nineteenth century.   They provide us with some of the best early scientific observations of the Sun.  Something that is proving invaluable in Climate Change studies.


Sometimes, after much bloodshed, persecution etc they may do something worthwhile but how much sooner would those things have happened without their "help". I think I'll stick with religions being a retardant on man rather than an accelerant.
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rhino wrote on Mar 5th, 2017 at 11:39pm:
Middle eastern culture is abhorrent, and the religion they invented is part of their culture. Thats the reality.


You really shouldn't condemn Christianity like that, Rhino.   Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes

If Christianity was majority practised in the middle east they would have perverted it to their culture.
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Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 5th, 2017 at 8:45am:
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Actually, I don't.  I am quite willing to accept that a great deal of the emphasis of the "Black Armband" viewpoint is based upon romanticism of how the Indigenous Australians lived.   Their lives tended to be nasty, brutish and unfortunately all too often short.   However, nor do I trumpet the "Three Cheers" view of historiography, CW.   I leave that to idiots like you.   What I do is point to the recognised historical research that proves what is claimed by the "Three Cheers" school is wrong.    You don't like facing up to the reality of what the Colonists did to their fellow Australians, do you?  Tsk, tsk.    Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes


the 'three cheers' view hasn't been taught for about 50 years. i think you'd struggle to find any australian history course taught today that puts settlement in a positive light. one course i took back in 2003 was all about 'sexism', 'racism', 'xenophobia' etc. i learnt nothing of how australia was settled or even any major event that shaped the country. any true history course needs to take into account the morality and major perspectives of the times. only then can people understand why things happened as they did. projecting 2017 morality back onto the past does nothing to understand the past. all it tells us is what the morals and values of today are.



When I did Australian History in High School.. 5th form ..  we learned NOTHING about the people displaced by European settlement.

I can only recall a  lot of dry legal stuff. Nothing that made me knowledgeable about the first people of the land.

Skippy was about as deep as it got, back then.


aren't you about 60?



Your point ?

From memory, the Aus History I was taught....one year only, concentrated on the Australia since settlement. And of course the first fleet. The details of the penal settlers was virtually ignored. We learned about the explorers and the pollies,  the rise of the shearers and the formation of the Labor Party. About Federation, and what it was like prior to that, but nothing that truly related to the poor of Australia. I was never taught about the depravations suffered, and very little time was spent on Aboriginal peoples. Some mention was made of the settlers being killed, but that was again slanted entirely from the viewpoint of the essentially British rulers of this colony.

I'm talking about the early to mid 70's, when I was doing 5th form. Smiley
Err  that's the 1970's   Smiley
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Actually, I don't.  I am quite willing to accept that a great deal of the emphasis of the "Black Armband" viewpoint is based upon romanticism of how the Indigenous Australians lived.   Their lives tended to be nasty, brutish and unfortunately all too often short.   However, nor do I trumpet the "Three Cheers" view of historiography, CW.   I leave that to idiots like you.   What I do is point to the recognised historical research that proves what is claimed by the "Three Cheers" school is wrong.    You don't like facing up to the reality of what the Colonists did to their fellow Australians, do you?  Tsk, tsk.    Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes


the 'three cheers' view hasn't been taught for about 50 years. i think you'd struggle to find any australian history course taught today that puts settlement in a positive light. one course i took back in 2003 was all about 'sexism', 'racism', 'xenophobia' etc. i learnt nothing of how australia was settled or even any major event that shaped the country. any true history course needs to take into account the morality and major perspectives of the times. only then can people understand why things happened as they did. projecting 2017 morality back onto the past does nothing to understand the past. all it tells us is what the morals and values of today are.



When I did Australian History in High School.. 5th form ..  we learned NOTHING about the people displaced by European settlement.

I can only recall a  lot of dry legal stuff. Nothing that made me knowledgeable about the first people of the land.

Skippy was about as deep as it got, back then.


aren't you about 60?



Your point ?

From memory, the Aus History I was taught....one year only, concentrated on the Australia since settlement. And of course the first fleet. The details of the penal settlers was virtually ignored. We learned about the explorers and the pollies,  the rise of the shearers and the formation of the Labor Party. About Federation, and what it was like prior to that, but nothing that truly related to the poor of Australia. I was never taught about the depravations suffered, and very little time was spent on Aboriginal peoples. Some mention was made of the settlers being killed, but that was again slanted entirely from the viewpoint of the essentially British rulers of this colony.

I'm talking about the early to mid 70's, when I was doing 5th form. Smiley
Err  that's the 1970's   Smiley


You're getting on? Grin Me too.

That's about it. We didn't have "history" as a subject until years 11 and 12 and it wasn't Australian history. We had social studies which is about what you describe.
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Yeah, ..also did American History. Taught by an Hawaiian teacher. That was more challenging , in a way, because it wasn't a re-write of stuff I thought I already knew.
Even so, from my limited memory of those years the early politics didn't really interest me. It only got interesting around about the Civil War, when the emancipation of the slaves was the issue.


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Middle eastern culture is abhorrent, and the religion they invented is part of their culture. Thats the reality.


You really shouldn't condemn Christianity like that, Rhino.   Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes

If Christianity was majority practised in the middle east they would have perverted it to their culture.


The Middle East has been a curse on humanity. The so called big three religions have come from this area and have f.ucked up the human race

There are still people who believe that 2 penguins came all the way from Antartica to the Middle East to get on a boat.

The god invented in the Middle East has held humanity back for too long. May its curse be extinguished.
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rhino wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 1:06am:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 12:10am:
rhino wrote on Mar 5th, 2017 at 11:39pm:
Middle eastern culture is abhorrent, and the religion they invented is part of their culture. Thats the reality.


You really shouldn't condemn Christianity like that, Rhino.   Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes

If Christianity was majority practised in the middle east they would have perverted it to their culture.


The Middle East has been a curse on humanity. The so called big three religions have come from this area and have f.ucked up the human race

There are still people who believe that 2 penguins came all the way from Antartica to the Middle East to get on a boat.

The god invented in the Middle East has held humanity back for too long. May its curse be extinguished.



But some of these religions grew up and did mostly good.
Education, printing, medicine etc.

And then there is the CULT

Its contribution?

War, brutality, barbarity, FGM and ongoing pedophile marriages.
The
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rhino wrote on Mar 5th, 2017 at 11:39pm:
Middle eastern culture is abhorrent, and the religion they invented is part of their culture. Thats the reality.


You really shouldn't condemn Christianity like that, Rhino.   Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes

If Christianity was majority practised in the middle east they would have perverted it to their culture.


Christianity is a "Middle-Eastern religion", Rhino.   It is a product (at least initially) of the society in which it was founded - a Middle-Eastern one.   Palestine was in the Middle-East IIRC.   Tsk, tsk.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Valkie wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 5:46am:
Raven wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 4:49am:
rhino wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 1:06am:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 12:10am:
rhino wrote on Mar 5th, 2017 at 11:39pm:
Middle eastern culture is abhorrent, and the religion they invented is part of their culture. Thats the reality.


You really shouldn't condemn Christianity like that, Rhino.   Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes

If Christianity was majority practised in the middle east they would have perverted it to their culture.


The Middle East has been a curse on humanity. The so called big three religions have come from this area and have f.ucked up the human race

There are still people who believe that 2 penguins came all the way from Antartica to the Middle East to get on a boat.

The god invented in the Middle East has held humanity back for too long. May its curse be extinguished.



But some of these religions grew up and did mostly good.
Education, printing, medicine etc.

And then there is the CULT

Its contribution?

War, brutality, barbarity, FGM and ongoing pedophile marriages.
The
is Cult is a curse and a plague


Amazing how pig ignorant you are, Valkie.

Printing, with removable type was a Chinese invention.

Education?  Sadly lacking under the Christian church, unless it concerned The Bible.

Medicine?  Sadly lacking under the Christian church and actively resented.  It was the Muslims who preserved and taught medicine properly from the Ancient Greco-Roman period.

Christianity had a massive bun fight, call the Thirty Years War, between the old-style Christians (Catholics) and the new-style Christians (Protestants).  Over thirty million dead, with massacre, starvation, siege, battle and death.    Amazing how you're ignorant of these events.  Tsk, tsk, tsk.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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rhino wrote on Mar 5th, 2017 at 11:39pm:
Middle eastern culture is abhorrent, and the religion they invented is part of their culture. Thats the reality.


You really shouldn't condemn Christianity like that, Rhino.   Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes

If Christianity was majority practised in the middle east they would have perverted it to their culture.


Christianity is a "Middle-Eastern religion", Rhino.   It is a product (at least initially) of the society in which it was founded - a Middle-Eastern one.   Palestine was in the Middle-East IIRC.   Tsk, tsk.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
The key word is majority practised, fool.
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Brian Ross wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 5:55pm:
rhino wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 1:06am:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 12:10am:
rhino wrote on Mar 5th, 2017 at 11:39pm:
Middle eastern culture is abhorrent, and the religion they invented is part of their culture. Thats the reality.


You really shouldn't condemn Christianity like that, Rhino.   Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes

If Christianity was majority practised in the middle east they would have perverted it to their culture.


Christianity is a "Middle-Eastern religion", Rhino.   It is a product (at least initially) of the society in which it was founded - a Middle-Eastern one.   Palestine was in the Middle-East IIRC.   Tsk, tsk.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



Don't be stupid Brian.
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Brian Ross wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 5:55pm:
rhino wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 1:06am:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 12:10am:
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Middle eastern culture is abhorrent, and the religion they invented is part of their culture. Thats the reality.


You really shouldn't condemn Christianity like that, Rhino.   Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes

If Christianity was majority practised in the middle east they would have perverted it to their culture.


Christianity is a "Middle-Eastern religion", Rhino.   It is a product (at least initially) of the society in which it was founded - a Middle-Eastern one.   Palestine was in the Middle-East IIRC.   Tsk, tsk.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
The key word is majority practised, fool.


It's founder was born in Palestine.  All his disciples were born in Palestine. most of his initial followers were from Palestine.   The Bible depicts a Palestine that supposedly existed 2016 years ago, Rhino.    It is a Middle-Eastern religion.   Tsk, tsk.  You really are quite foolish, aren't you?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Middle eastern culture is abhorrent, and the religion they invented is part of their culture. Thats the reality.


You really shouldn't condemn Christianity like that, Rhino.   Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes

If Christianity was majority practised in the middle east they would have perverted it to their culture.


Christianity is a "Middle-Eastern religion", Rhino.   It is a product (at least initially) of the society in which it was founded - a Middle-Eastern one.   Palestine was in the Middle-East IIRC.   Tsk, tsk.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Don't be stupid Brian.


Are you claiming that Christianity isn't a Middle-Eastern religion, Soren?  Really?

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It's founder was born in Palestine.  All his disciples were born in Palestine. most of his initial followers were from Palestine.   The Bible depicts a Palestine that supposedly existed 2016 years ago, Rhino.    It is a Middle-Eastern religion.   Tsk, tsk.  You really are quite foolish, aren't you?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


I have a different perspective on the foundation of Christianity. It was based on the Dead Sea Scrolls. Then put together by some storytellers, in addition to other stories. It bumbled around for a bit. Got legitimised in AD 300-somethingorother. Was basically teetering on the edge of oblivion. Had some re-emergence as a religion after the Middle Ages ended. Then found a new life with the European Christians escaping Europe's enlightenment to found Christianity in the Americas.

No physical, or noted evidence of Jeebuz actually ever existed. Jeebuz might have been an amalgamation of other characters who passed on and had their stories passed on orally throughout the generations.

The sooner that religion (among other religions) die, the sooner we can go back to Paganism. Better for the environment.
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UnSubRocky wrote on Mar 7th, 2017 at 12:56am:
The sooner that religion (among other religions) die, the sooner we can go back to Paganism. Better for the environment.


Have to agree that religion has well and truly had it's day.
So, the drive  some folk feel for the need of an over-arching GOD is something no longer required for humanity to proceed along its path. Rather it is a hindrance.
Only harm comes from religion these days.

ALL the good done individually by people is totally out-weighed by the heinous nature of religious dogma. One only need look at the on-going enquiries into religious folk and their abuse of children to realise this truth. Or the war on-going in Syria and Iraq.
Seems current day humans are no less feral than we were 1000 years ago.

WE don't seem to learn  from history. Rather we seem doomed to repeat it.. again and again.

But getting back on topic......Aboriginal peoples seem to have settled on a generally harmless form of WORSHIP.
Rather than idolise human-type deities, they have continued true, and worship, if you want to call it that, the EARTH.

What better actions could there be?

We.. on the other hand.. raise up rather nightmarish ideologies. You need look no further than the current TV News to see this is so. Sad
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Reply #239 - Mar 7th, 2017 at 6:48am
 
Emma wrote on Mar 7th, 2017 at 4:14am:
UnSubRocky wrote on Mar 7th, 2017 at 12:56am:
The sooner that religion (among other religions) die, the sooner we can go back to Paganism. Better for the environment.


Have to agree that religion has well and truly had it's day.
So, the drive  some folk feel for the need of an over-arching GOD is something no longer required for humanity to proceed along its path. Rather it is a hindrance.
Only harm comes from religion these days.

ALL the good done individually by people is totally out-weighed by the heinous nature of religious dogma. One only need look at the on-going enquiries into religious folk and their abuse of children to realise this truth. Or the war on-going in Syria and Iraq.
Seems current day humans are no less feral than we were 1000 years ago.

WE don't seem to learn  from history. Rather we seem doomed to repeat it.. again and again.

But getting back on topic......Aboriginal peoples seem to have settled on a generally harmless form of WORSHIP.
Rather than idolise human-type deities, they have continued true, and worship, if you want to call it that, the EARTH.

What better actions could there be?

We.. on the other hand.. raise up rather nightmarish ideologies. You need look no further than the current TV News to see this is so. Sad


Agreed that some religions and CULTS are harmful or disruptive, but one must also look at the good, not just of the religion, but of the people who make it up.
Many many devout people do a great deal of good with charity and altruism, freely giving their time and effort to help others even at their own expense.
Many of these people work for nothing, expect nothing and are Godsend to those needing help.
Their religion is how they coordinate their activities and aid, without it, it would be so much more difficult.

Imagine if everyone decided that as its a dog eat dog world, stuff it all, I no longer care.
Where would we be if they all just looked after themselves and no one else, it would cripple the world.
There are many many religious leaders who practice what the preach, (and some who are total creeps), but on the whole they do more good than harm.
Also agreed that some religions are better than others.

I myself am Christian, I do not go to church as I believe many in the church are hypocrites, but I do believe.
But I have seen Buddhism and Hindu that appear, on the surface, as being far more peaceful and less hypocritical than mine own church.

Some CULTS and religions however are harmful, restrictive, isolationist and evil.
These CULTS and religions bring on a contamination to all religions giving plenty of reasons for people to hate all religions with the same fervor.
People not aware of these evil CULTS and who have never been involved in true belief and charity see all religions in the same light, much to their loss.

Good religions, good faith gives billions of people strength, hope and comfort throughout their lives.
Bad CULTS and religions seek to control, punish and use their followers, with no positive benefits to either the community or the followers. Only the leaders gain power and rights.

As for our Aboriginal friends, I have never met a true believer in the dream-time or true Aboriginal faith.
My Aboriginal friends see this as stories, perhaps some more in touch with their roots might be different and the ones I know have been brought up in either dysfunctional or white environments.
Some have overcome these environments, some not so.

There is a place for faith in this world.
But one must be cautious that that faith is not in evil, but in good.
This is not so hard to discern, one need only look at the face of the religion or CULT to see if it is Charitable, honest, altruistic and helpful or if it is harmful, isolationist, brutal or dishonest.

Avoid the CULTS they are the true face of Evil.

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Brian Ross wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 9:46pm:
Frank wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 8:55pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 5:55pm:
rhino wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 1:06am:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 12:10am:
rhino wrote on Mar 5th, 2017 at 11:39pm:
Middle eastern culture is abhorrent, and the religion they invented is part of their culture. Thats the reality.


You really shouldn't condemn Christianity like that, Rhino.   Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes

If Christianity was majority practised in the middle east they would have perverted it to their culture.


Christianity is a "Middle-Eastern religion", Rhino.   It is a product (at least initially) of the society in which it was founded - a Middle-Eastern one.   Palestine was in the Middle-East IIRC.   Tsk, tsk.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Don't be stupid Brian.


Are you claiming that Christianity isn't a Middle-Eastern religion, Soren?  Really?

http://www.ancient.eu/uploads/images/285.png



Yeah, really, you pompous buffoon.

Christianity is least practiced in the Middle East, its remaining practitioners are persecuted there more, in a more deadly fashion, than anywhere else. In any case, Christianity pre-dates the term Middle East by many, many centuries, you doctor of drongo.

What was your doctoral thesis on, Brian?



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Reply #241 - Mar 7th, 2017 at 5:43pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 9:40pm:
rhino wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 6:47pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 5:55pm:
rhino wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 1:06am:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 12:10am:
rhino wrote on Mar 5th, 2017 at 11:39pm:
Middle eastern culture is abhorrent, and the religion they invented is part of their culture. Thats the reality.


You really shouldn't condemn Christianity like that, Rhino.   Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes

If Christianity was majority practised in the middle east they would have perverted it to their culture.


Christianity is a "Middle-Eastern religion", Rhino.   It is a product (at least initially) of the society in which it was founded - a Middle-Eastern one.   Palestine was in the Middle-East IIRC.   Tsk, tsk.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
The key word is majority practised, fool.


It's founder was born in Palestine.  All his disciples were born in Palestine. most of his initial followers were from Palestine.   The Bible depicts a Palestine that supposedly existed 2016 years ago, Rhino.    It is a Middle-Eastern religion.   Tsk, tsk.  You really are quite foolish, aren't you?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
Yet you dont  appear to know that the majority of Christians dont live in the middle east and never have. Doctor of divinity, Lol.
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Frank wrote on Mar 7th, 2017 at 5:16pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 9:46pm:
Frank wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 8:55pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 5:55pm:
rhino wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 1:06am:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 12:10am:
rhino wrote on Mar 5th, 2017 at 11:39pm:
Middle eastern culture is abhorrent, and the religion they invented is part of their culture. Thats the reality.


You really shouldn't condemn Christianity like that, Rhino.   Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes

If Christianity was majority practised in the middle east they would have perverted it to their culture.


Christianity is a "Middle-Eastern religion", Rhino.   It is a product (at least initially) of the society in which it was founded - a Middle-Eastern one.   Palestine was in the Middle-East IIRC.   Tsk, tsk.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Don't be stupid Brian.


Are you claiming that Christianity isn't a Middle-Eastern religion, Soren?  Really?

http://www.ancient.eu/uploads/images/285.png


Yeah, really, you pompous buffoon.

Christianity is least practiced in the Middle East, its remaining practitioners are persecuted there more, in a more deadly fashion, than anywhere else. In any case, Christianity pre-dates the term Middle East by many, many centuries, you doctor of drongo.

What was your doctoral thesis on, Brian?


I don't have a Doctorate (PhD), Soren.   However, I do have a Doctor of Divinity.   And guess, what, we studied Christianity, extensively.   Guess also what?   Christianity originated in the Middle-East.  It is a religion that is representative of Middle-Eastern ideals and beliefs.  It's history until about ~300 CE was based primarily in, where?  Oh, the Middle-East of course.  Funny that.     Roll Eyes
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It's founder was born in Palestine.  All his disciples were born in Palestine. most of his initial followers were from Palestine.   The Bible depicts a Palestine that supposedly existed 2016 years ago, Rhino.    It is a Middle-Eastern religion.   Tsk, tsk.  You really are quite foolish, aren't you?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
Yet you dont  appear to know that the majority of Christians dont live in the middle east and never have. Doctor of divinity, Lol.


Really?   How about that.  Yet, 2016 years ago, all Christians lived in the Middle-East, Rhino.   You disputing that?   Tsk, tsk.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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it also can't be understood without understanding the values of the roman empire, as that is partially, along with judaism, what it was rebelling against.
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Reply #246 - Mar 7th, 2017 at 11:51pm
 
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 7th, 2017 at 11:39pm:
it's more correct to describe christianty as a jewish religion


Does it matter?  It was the philosophical basis on which it was founded that counts - that apparently resonated within many people...

I suppose you could say the same about Islam - but since that cult demands total obedience or the sword..... it doesn't leave much room for discussion...

Myself - I tend towards a Buddhist view or a North American Indian view.... we are all part of this Universe and what happens in it is part of ourselves, and we honour all those things that occur to allow us to live....
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i was mainly saying it as opposed to it being middle eastern. geographical terms don't give it justice.
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Reply #248 - Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:27am
 
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 7th, 2017 at 11:39pm:
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It's foundations were definitely Jewish, CW.  However, it has developed since then into something unique in it's hypocrisy and hatred.   Roll Eyes
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Reply #249 - Mar 8th, 2017 at 2:24am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:27am:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 7th, 2017 at 11:39pm:
it's more correct to describe christianty as a jewish religion


It's foundations were definitely Jewish, CW.  However, it has developed since then into something unique in it's hypocrisy and hatred.   Roll Eyes


Baldly, that is true. But the same observations can be made of ALL other religions.
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Reply #250 - Mar 8th, 2017 at 11:19am
 
Emma wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 2:24am:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:27am:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 7th, 2017 at 11:39pm:
it's more correct to describe christianty as a jewish religion


It's foundations were definitely Jewish, CW.  However, it has developed since then into something unique in it's hypocrisy and hatred.   Roll Eyes


Baldly, that is true. But the same observations can be made of ALL other religions.


And they can evolve/devolve into hatred, terrorism, misogyny, murder, homophobic, pedophile infected, women mutilating, backward, barbaric low IQ sick and twisted ideals just like the CULT of EVIL.

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At least Christianity has evolved forward and does not condone child Pedophile marriages, FGM or murder of homosexuals or small girls who are raped.


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Reply #251 - Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:07pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:27am:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 7th, 2017 at 11:39pm:
it's more correct to describe christianty as a jewish religion


It's foundations were definitely Jewish, CW.  However, it has developed since then into something unique in it's hypocrisy and hatred.   Roll Eyes


there's nothing unique about hypocrisy and hatred. it's everywhere.

st paul is often attributed to where christianity went wrong. he turned it from a personal, self-reforming doctrine, into one where morality should be legislated by the church. jesus was a bit of dreamer though to think everyone could 'turn the other cheek' etc. far too optimistic given the way of men and women.
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Reply #252 - Mar 8th, 2017 at 4:44pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 7th, 2017 at 11:14pm:
Frank wrote on Mar 7th, 2017 at 5:16pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 9:46pm:
Frank wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 8:55pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 5:55pm:
rhino wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 1:06am:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 12:10am:
rhino wrote on Mar 5th, 2017 at 11:39pm:
Middle eastern culture is abhorrent, and the religion they invented is part of their culture. Thats the reality.


You really shouldn't condemn Christianity like that, Rhino.   Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes

If Christianity was majority practised in the middle east they would have perverted it to their culture.


Christianity is a "Middle-Eastern religion", Rhino.   It is a product (at least initially) of the society in which it was founded - a Middle-Eastern one.   Palestine was in the Middle-East IIRC.   Tsk, tsk.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Don't be stupid Brian.


Are you claiming that Christianity isn't a Middle-Eastern religion, Soren?  Really?

http://www.ancient.eu/uploads/images/285.png


Yeah, really, you pompous buffoon.

Christianity is least practiced in the Middle East, its remaining practitioners are persecuted there more, in a more deadly fashion, than anywhere else. In any case, Christianity pre-dates the term Middle East by many, many centuries, you doctor of drongo.

What was your doctoral thesis on, Brian?


I don't have a Doctorate (PhD), Soren.   However, I do have a Doctor of Divinity.   And guess, what, we studied Christianity, extensively.   Guess also what?   Christianity originated in the Middle-East.  It is a religion that is representative of Middle-Eastern ideals and beliefs.  It's history until about ~300 CE was based primarily in, where?  Oh, the Middle-East of course.  Funny that.     Roll Eyes



There was no 'Middle East" when Christianity came into being, and not for another 18 hundred years, during which time it was anything but a Levantine religion, thanks to Muslim ethnic cleansing.

A Roman religion, a Roman version of Judaism if anything, until the reformation. It's no accident that the one of the Universal Roman (ie Roman Catholic) pope's titles is an originally Roman religious title, Pontifex Maximus. Even Byzantium and its founding emperors Constantine, Justinian saw themselves as 'Roman'.


What crazy institution would confer an honorary Doctor of Divinity on you, a mere tendentious buffoon??


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Reply #253 - Mar 8th, 2017 at 4:47pm
 
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Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 7th, 2017 at 11:39pm:
it's more correct to describe christianty as a jewish religion


It's foundations were definitely Jewish, CW.  However, it has developed since then into something unique in it's hypocrisy and hatred.   Roll Eyes



Unique? Islam surpasses any religion in hypocrisy and hatred, it was established out of hatred and its entire teaching is consistently hypocritical, constantly setting separate rules for different groups and allowing transgressions for the elect (Muslims) against the hated infidels, women, etc.

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Thank goodness for small mercies, hey.  In Christianity as of even this very day, they have done away with the annoying 'marriage' bit.  We are proud, I tells ya, proud!
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Emma wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 2:24am:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:27am:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 7th, 2017 at 11:39pm:
it's more correct to describe christianty as a jewish religion


It's foundations were definitely Jewish, CW.  However, it has developed since then into something unique in it's hypocrisy and hatred.   Roll Eyes


Baldly, that is true. But the same observations can be made of ALL other religions.


Yep, sure can.  It's interesting how much of a free ride Christianity gets in these fora.   Islam is the only religion that gets really criticised while Christianity gets overlooked.   I wonder why?  Islamophobia perhaps?   Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes
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Reply #256 - Mar 8th, 2017 at 6:08pm
 
Valkie wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 11:19am:
Emma wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 2:24am:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:27am:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 7th, 2017 at 11:39pm:
it's more correct to describe christianty as a jewish religion


It's foundations were definitely Jewish, CW.  However, it has developed since then into something unique in it's hypocrisy and hatred.   Roll Eyes


Baldly, that is true. But the same observations can be made of ALL other religions.


And they can evolve/devolve into hatred, terrorism, misogyny, murder, homophobic, pedophile infected, women mutilating, backward, barbaric low IQ sick and twisted ideals just like the CULT of EVIL.

MUSLIM
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At least Christianity has evolved forward and does not condone child Pedophile marriages, FGM or murder of homosexuals or small girls who are raped.


Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Islamophobia again, Valkie?  You must nearly be blind by now...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #257 - Mar 8th, 2017 at 6:09pm
 
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:07pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:27am:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 7th, 2017 at 11:39pm:
it's more correct to describe christianty as a jewish religion


It's foundations were definitely Jewish, CW.  However, it has developed since then into something unique in it's hypocrisy and hatred.   Roll Eyes


there's nothing unique about hypocrisy and hatred. it's everywhere.

st paul is often attributed to where christianity went wrong. he turned it from a personal, self-reforming doctrine, into one where morality should be legislated by the church. jesus was a bit of dreamer though to think everyone could 'turn the other cheek' etc. far too optimistic given the way of men and women.



Oh, St.Paul has a lot to answer for in his misogny and his support for slavery.   Definitely.   Roll Eyes
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Frank wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 4:44pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 7th, 2017 at 11:14pm:
Frank wrote on Mar 7th, 2017 at 5:16pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 9:46pm:
Frank wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 8:55pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 5:55pm:
rhino wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 1:06am:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 12:10am:
rhino wrote on Mar 5th, 2017 at 11:39pm:
Middle eastern culture is abhorrent, and the religion they invented is part of their culture. Thats the reality.


You really shouldn't condemn Christianity like that, Rhino.   Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes

If Christianity was majority practised in the middle east they would have perverted it to their culture.


Christianity is a "Middle-Eastern religion", Rhino.   It is a product (at least initially) of the society in which it was founded - a Middle-Eastern one.   Palestine was in the Middle-East IIRC.   Tsk, tsk.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Don't be stupid Brian.


Are you claiming that Christianity isn't a Middle-Eastern religion, Soren?  Really?

http://www.ancient.eu/uploads/images/285.png


Yeah, really, you pompous buffoon.

Christianity is least practiced in the Middle East, its remaining practitioners are persecuted there more, in a more deadly fashion, than anywhere else. In any case, Christianity pre-dates the term Middle East by many, many centuries, you doctor of drongo.

What was your doctoral thesis on, Brian?


I don't have a Doctorate (PhD), Soren.   However, I do have a Doctor of Divinity.   And guess, what, we studied Christianity, extensively.   Guess also what?   Christianity originated in the Middle-East.  It is a religion that is representative of Middle-Eastern ideals and beliefs.  It's history until about ~300 CE was based primarily in, where?  Oh, the Middle-East of course.  Funny that.     Roll Eyes



There was no 'Middle East" when Christianity came into being, and not for another 18 hundred years, during which time it was anything but a Levantine religion, thanks to Muslim ethnic cleansing.

A Roman religion, a Roman version of Judaism if anything, until the reformation. It's no accident that the one of the Universal Roman (ie Roman Catholic) pope's titles is an originally Roman religious title, Pontifex Maximus. Even Byzantium and its founding emperors Constantine, Justinian saw themselves as 'Roman'.


Yet, Soren, Christianity originated in Palestine ("Middle-East" in modern regional parlance), it was made up of primarily Palestinian people, it's beliefs were primarily Palestinian and its fonder was Palestinian.   Funny how you keep ignoring that.  I wonder why?  Is it painful to admit that you worship a Jewish God and that your messiah was a Jew?  Tsk, tsk, such anti-Semitism.    Roll Eyes

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Tsk, tsk, resorting to ad hominem debate again, Soren?   Nothing "honorary" about my DD.    Roll Eyes
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Is BR really Soren.?

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No. Frank is Soren.
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No. Frank is Soren.


I thought Valkie was Soren.

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I thought Valkie was Soren.

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Valkie wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 2:11pm:
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I thought Valkie was Soren.

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Next step is going for your 72 virgins


This is Australia, Sore End.

Do you honestly think I'd be able to find 72 virgins?



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Reply #264 - Mar 9th, 2017 at 4:27pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 6:09pm:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:07pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:27am:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 7th, 2017 at 11:39pm:
it's more correct to describe christianty as a jewish religion


It's foundations were definitely Jewish, CW.  However, it has developed since then into something unique in it's hypocrisy and hatred.   Roll Eyes


there's nothing unique about hypocrisy and hatred. it's everywhere.

st paul is often attributed to where christianity went wrong. he turned it from a personal, self-reforming doctrine, into one where morality should be legislated by the church. jesus was a bit of dreamer though to think everyone could 'turn the other cheek' etc. far too optimistic given the way of men and women.



Oh, St.Paul has a lot to answer for in his misogny and his support for slavery.   Definitely.   Roll Eyes


like the arab slave traders and their misogyny?
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Reply #265 - Mar 9th, 2017 at 4:33pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 6:09pm:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:07pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:27am:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 7th, 2017 at 11:39pm:
it's more correct to describe christianty as a jewish religion


It's foundations were definitely Jewish, CW.  However, it has developed since then into something unique in it's hypocrisy and hatred.   Roll Eyes


there's nothing unique about hypocrisy and hatred. it's everywhere.

st paul is often attributed to where christianity went wrong. he turned it from a personal, self-reforming doctrine, into one where morality should be legislated by the church. jesus was a bit of dreamer though to think everyone could 'turn the other cheek' etc. far too optimistic given the way of men and women.



Oh, St.Paul has a lot to answer for in his misogny and his support for slavery.   Definitely.   Roll Eyes


I'm no fan of Paul mainly due to his theology, but the slave and misogynistic verses are, I believe, exclusively written in the epistles which most scholars don't attribute directly to Paul. Paul was said to have authenticly written 7 epistles. In the epistle to Philemon he actually asks osemius to release his slave. There are 'new perspectives' on Paul, which assert that he was quite radical for his time.
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So we're extolling the virtues of Aboriginals because they managed to pick up bits of broken glass and realised they were sharp and they could cut things with them.


The glass shows that Aboriginal people were here and were utilising new materials, changing their technology, their technique of making artifacts


Hang on what, new materials? Oh yeah, new materials to Aboriginals Smiley

I'd be impressed if they found pieces of glass, ground them to precision, put them inside a didgeridoo and used their brand new high power telescope to discover a new moon of Jupiter.   Cheesy

Finding a piece of glass on the ground and using it to cut things, I'd be impressed if a bonobo did that. Not a human.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-02-21/artefacts-show-coexistence-between-aborigi...


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Auggie wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 4:36pm:
Gordon wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 1:14pm:
So we're extolling the virtues of Aboriginals because they managed to pick up bits of broken glass and realised they were sharp and they could cut things with them.


The glass shows that Aboriginal people were here and were utilising new materials, changing their technology, their technique of making artifacts


Hang on what, new materials? Oh yeah, new materials to Aboriginals Smiley

I'd be impressed if they found pieces of glass, ground them to precision, put them inside a didgeridoo and used their brand new high power telescope to discover a new moon of Jupiter.   Cheesy

Finding a piece of glass on the ground and using it to cut things, I'd be impressed if a bonobo did that. Not a human.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-02-21/artefacts-show-coexistence-between-aborigi...


If want a reasonableness explanation on why different societies be evolved differently, read Jared diamond's Guns, Germs and Steel. This attributes environmental factors to urbanisation, writing and division of labour.


that book is ok, but its obsession with ruling out biology and/or genetics does it no favours.
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Auggie wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 4:36pm:
Gordon wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 1:14pm:
So we're extolling the virtues of Aboriginals because they managed to pick up bits of broken glass and realised they were sharp and they could cut things with them.


The glass shows that Aboriginal people were here and were utilising new materials, changing their technology, their technique of making artifacts


Hang on what, new materials? Oh yeah, new materials to Aboriginals Smiley

I'd be impressed if they found pieces of glass, ground them to precision, put them inside a didgeridoo and used their brand new high power telescope to discover a new moon of Jupiter.   Cheesy

Finding a piece of glass on the ground and using it to cut things, I'd be impressed if a bonobo did that. Not a human.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-02-21/artefacts-show-coexistence-between-aborigi...


If want a reasonableness explanation on why different societies be evolved differently, read Jared diamond's Guns, Germs and Steel. This attributes environmental factors to urbanisation, writing and division of labour.


that book is ok, but its obsession with ruling out biology and/or genetics does it no favours.


Ooh. You're treading on controversial ground here. Biology and genetics have NOTHING to do with the development of societies. This is an established fact. Such theories are considered pseudo-science.
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Auggie wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 4:36pm:
Gordon wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 1:14pm:
So we're extolling the virtues of Aboriginals because they managed to pick up bits of broken glass and realised they were sharp and they could cut things with them.


The glass shows that Aboriginal people were here and were utilising new materials, changing their technology, their technique of making artifacts


Hang on what, new materials? Oh yeah, new materials to Aboriginals Smiley

I'd be impressed if they found pieces of glass, ground them to precision, put them inside a didgeridoo and used their brand new high power telescope to discover a new moon of Jupiter.   Cheesy

Finding a piece of glass on the ground and using it to cut things, I'd be impressed if a bonobo did that. Not a human.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-02-21/artefacts-show-coexistence-between-aborigi...


If want a reasonableness explanation on why different societies be evolved differently, read Jared diamond's Guns, Germs and Steel. This attributes environmental factors to urbanisation, writing and division of labour.


I agree with the conclusions and I don't attribute biological differences to the advancement of societies but I am more than happy to declare that some cultures are better than others.
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Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 4:41pm:
Auggie wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 4:36pm:
Gordon wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 1:14pm:
So we're extolling the virtues of Aboriginals because they managed to pick up bits of broken glass and realised they were sharp and they could cut things with them.


The glass shows that Aboriginal people were here and were utilising new materials, changing their technology, their technique of making artifacts


Hang on what, new materials? Oh yeah, new materials to Aboriginals Smiley

I'd be impressed if they found pieces of glass, ground them to precision, put them inside a didgeridoo and used their brand new high power telescope to discover a new moon of Jupiter.   Cheesy

Finding a piece of glass on the ground and using it to cut things, I'd be impressed if a bonobo did that. Not a human.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-02-21/artefacts-show-coexistence-between-aborigi...


If want a reasonableness explanation on why different societies be evolved differently, read Jared diamond's Guns, Germs and Steel. This attributes environmental factors to urbanisation, writing and division of labour.


that book is ok, but its obsession with ruling out biology and/or genetics does it no favours.


Ooh. You're treading on controversial ground here. Biology and genetics have NOTHING to do with the development of societies. This is an established fact. Such theories are considered pseudo-science.


However,  using the brain repeatedly in a particular way probably will change the way the brain works.
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Auggie wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 4:36pm:
Gordon wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 1:14pm:
So we're extolling the virtues of Aboriginals because they managed to pick up bits of broken glass and realised they were sharp and they could cut things with them.


The glass shows that Aboriginal people were here and were utilising new materials, changing their technology, their technique of making artifacts


Hang on what, new materials? Oh yeah, new materials to Aboriginals Smiley

I'd be impressed if they found pieces of glass, ground them to precision, put them inside a didgeridoo and used their brand new high power telescope to discover a new moon of Jupiter.   Cheesy

Finding a piece of glass on the ground and using it to cut things, I'd be impressed if a bonobo did that. Not a human.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-02-21/artefacts-show-coexistence-between-aborigi...


If want a reasonableness explanation on why different societies be evolved differently, read Jared diamond's Guns, Germs and Steel. This attributes environmental factors to urbanisation, writing and division of labour.


that book is ok, but its obsession with ruling out biology and/or genetics does it no favours.


Ooh. You're treading on controversial ground here. Biology and genetics have NOTHING to do with the development of societies. This is an established fact. Such theories are considered pseudo-science.


biology always plays a part. removing biology from the equation equates to nothing of us existing at all. environments don't create bodies. what's really occurring is a constant interaction of the body with its environment, and vice-versa, whereby each affects the other. it's not either/or. it's and/with.
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Brian Ross wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:27am:
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it's more correct to describe christianty as a jewish religion


It's foundations were definitely Jewish, CW.  However, it has developed since then into something unique in it's hypocrisy and hatred.   Roll Eyes


Baldly, that is true. But the same observations can be made of ALL other religions.


Yep, sure can.  It's interesting how much of a free ride Christianity gets in these fora.   Islam is the only religion that gets really criticised while Christianity gets overlooked.   I wonder why?  Islamophobia perhaps?   Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes



Because Muslims are murdering people in the name of Islam. It could not possibly have escaped even your negligible mind.



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Reply #273 - Mar 9th, 2017 at 6:00pm
 
Frank wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 5:50pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 6:06pm:
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it's more correct to describe christianty as a jewish religion


It's foundations were definitely Jewish, CW.  However, it has developed since then into something unique in it's hypocrisy and hatred.   Roll Eyes


Baldly, that is true. But the same observations can be made of ALL other religions.


Yep, sure can.  It's interesting how much of a free ride Christianity gets in these fora.   Islam is the only religion that gets really criticised while Christianity gets overlooked.   I wonder why?  Islamophobia perhaps?   Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes



Because Muslims are murdering people in the name of Islam. It could not possibly have escaped even your negligible mind.





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Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 5:37pm:
Auggie wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 4:46pm:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 4:41pm:
Auggie wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 4:36pm:
Gordon wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 1:14pm:
So we're extolling the virtues of Aboriginals because they managed to pick up bits of broken glass and realised they were sharp and they could cut things with them.


The glass shows that Aboriginal people were here and were utilising new materials, changing their technology, their technique of making artifacts


Hang on what, new materials? Oh yeah, new materials to Aboriginals Smiley

I'd be impressed if they found pieces of glass, ground them to precision, put them inside a didgeridoo and used their brand new high power telescope to discover a new moon of Jupiter.   Cheesy

Finding a piece of glass on the ground and using it to cut things, I'd be impressed if a bonobo did that. Not a human.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-02-21/artefacts-show-coexistence-between-aborigi...


If want a reasonableness explanation on why different societies be evolved differently, read Jared diamond's Guns, Germs and Steel. This attributes environmental factors to urbanisation, writing and division of labour.


that book is ok, but its obsession with ruling out biology and/or genetics does it no favours.


Ooh. You're treading on controversial ground here. Biology and genetics have NOTHING to do with the development of societies. This is an established fact. Such theories are considered pseudo-science.


biology always plays a part. removing biology from the equation equates to nothing of us existing at all. environments don't create bodies. what's really occurring is a constant interaction of the body with its environment, and vice-versa, whereby each affects the other. it's not either/or. it's and/with.


The environment affects how we behave. For e.g. an instrumental factor in the development of early urbanization was a food surplus. The agricultural revolution, as a result of the domestication of certain animals which did not exist on the Australian continent, led to a greater productive capacity in agriculture. The food surplus then led to a division of labour, and urbanization, which then led to writing, etc.

The Australia and American continents didn't have cattle. African had cattle but the tropical diseases affected the cattle so much that they were hardly effective. This prevented the Africans from having the capacity to create a food surplus and thereafter urbanized societies.
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No. Frank is Soren.


I thought Valkie was Soren.

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This is Australia, Sore End.

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Reply #276 - Mar 9th, 2017 at 8:32pm
 
Auggie wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 7:18pm:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 5:37pm:
Auggie wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 4:46pm:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 4:41pm:
Auggie wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 4:36pm:
Gordon wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 1:14pm:
So we're extolling the virtues of Aboriginals because they managed to pick up bits of broken glass and realised they were sharp and they could cut things with them.


The glass shows that Aboriginal people were here and were utilising new materials, changing their technology, their technique of making artifacts


Hang on what, new materials? Oh yeah, new materials to Aboriginals Smiley

I'd be impressed if they found pieces of glass, ground them to precision, put them inside a didgeridoo and used their brand new high power telescope to discover a new moon of Jupiter.   Cheesy

Finding a piece of glass on the ground and using it to cut things, I'd be impressed if a bonobo did that. Not a human.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-02-21/artefacts-show-coexistence-between-aborigi...


If want a reasonableness explanation on why different societies be evolved differently, read Jared diamond's Guns, Germs and Steel. This attributes environmental factors to urbanisation, writing and division of labour.


that book is ok, but its obsession with ruling out biology and/or genetics does it no favours.


Ooh. You're treading on controversial ground here. Biology and genetics have NOTHING to do with the development of societies. This is an established fact. Such theories are considered pseudo-science.


biology always plays a part. removing biology from the equation equates to nothing of us existing at all. environments don't create bodies. what's really occurring is a constant interaction of the body with its environment, and vice-versa, whereby each affects the other. it's not either/or. it's and/with.


The environment affects how we behave. For e.g. an instrumental factor in the development of early urbanization was a food surplus. The agricultural revolution, as a result of the domestication of certain animals which did not exist on the Australian continent, led to a greater productive capacity in agriculture. The food surplus then led to a division of labour, and urbanization, which then led to writing, etc.

The Australia and American continents didn't have cattle. African had cattle but the tropical diseases affected the cattle so much that they were hardly effective. This prevented the Africans from having the capacity to create a food surplus and thereafter urbanized societies.


so how did the aztecs, maya and incas develop farming, crops, bridges, roads, urbanization, pyramids etc? i don't deny the environment plays a part, often a very big part, but you don't even have humans without biology. forget the far-leftists and their screeching of 'biology = nazism'. think about it objectively.
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Aboriginal culture is one of the least developed on earth.

Why is so hard to accept this while at the same time accepting they are people who deserve to have their hopes and dreams fulfilled and live with dignity like everyone else?  Why do we needs this ridiculous charade to pretend they are something they are not.
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Reply #278 - Mar 9th, 2017 at 8:43pm
 
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 8:32pm:
Auggie wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 7:18pm:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 5:37pm:
Auggie wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 4:46pm:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 4:41pm:
Auggie wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 4:36pm:
Gordon wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 1:14pm:
So we're extolling the virtues of Aboriginals because they managed to pick up bits of broken glass and realised they were sharp and they could cut things with them.


The glass shows that Aboriginal people were here and were utilising new materials, changing their technology, their technique of making artifacts


Hang on what, new materials? Oh yeah, new materials to Aboriginals Smiley

I'd be impressed if they found pieces of glass, ground them to precision, put them inside a didgeridoo and used their brand new high power telescope to discover a new moon of Jupiter.   Cheesy

Finding a piece of glass on the ground and using it to cut things, I'd be impressed if a bonobo did that. Not a human.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-02-21/artefacts-show-coexistence-between-aborigi...


If want a reasonableness explanation on why different societies be evolved differently, read Jared diamond's Guns, Germs and Steel. This attributes environmental factors to urbanisation, writing and division of labour.


that book is ok, but its obsession with ruling out biology and/or genetics does it no favours.


Ooh. You're treading on controversial ground here. Biology and genetics have NOTHING to do with the development of societies. This is an established fact. Such theories are considered pseudo-science.


biology always plays a part. removing biology from the equation equates to nothing of us existing at all. environments don't create bodies. what's really occurring is a constant interaction of the body with its environment, and vice-versa, whereby each affects the other. it's not either/or. it's and/with.


The environment affects how we behave. For e.g. an instrumental factor in the development of early urbanization was a food surplus. The agricultural revolution, as a result of the domestication of certain animals which did not exist on the Australian continent, led to a greater productive capacity in agriculture. The food surplus then led to a division of labour, and urbanization, which then led to writing, etc.

The Australia and American continents didn't have cattle. African had cattle but the tropical diseases affected the cattle so much that they were hardly effective. This prevented the Africans from having the capacity to create a food surplus and thereafter urbanized societies.


so how did the aztecs, maya and incas develop farming, crops, bridges, roads, urbanization, pyramids etc? i don't deny the environment plays a part, often a very big part, but you don't even have humans without biology. forget the far-leftists and their screeching of 'biology = nazism'. think about it objectively.


So, with the Mesoamerican societies, they were a kind of semi-complex civilization. They develop the early urbanization that was existent in Mesopotamia, etc. but they never progressed beyond that. There was never an empire in that part of the world; the Aztecs were really an empire but an alliance between 3 major city-states; the Incas were an empire but didn't even last 100 years when the Conquistadors came, and even then the Incas didn't have any writing.

The really complex civilizations were the Romans, the Achaemenids, the Ancient Egyptians, the Chinese, the Indian subcontinent, etc. The Ancient Greeks are a bit of conundrum: they were highly civilized, but never coalesced to create an empire (except under Alexander the Great, which lasted for about 12 years), unless you include the Eastern Roman Empire, but that was a product of Rome, so the Greeks can't really claim it.

There are different degrees of complexity. You're also completely disregarding social institutions and structures. Biology only really plays a role on an individual level, not a societal level.
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Reply #279 - Mar 9th, 2017 at 8:45pm
 
Gordon wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 8:41pm:
Aboriginal culture is one of the least developed on earth.

Why is so hard to accept this while at the same time accepting they are people who deserve to have their hopes and dreams fulfilled and live with dignity like everyone else?  Why do we needs this ridiculous charade to pretend they are something they are not.


I agree that there are different levels of complexity. The Indigenous Peoples of Australia had a less complex civilization than others. I think this is due to the fact that they didn't need to develop complexity.

We must also recognize that the the culture has been continuous for around 40,000 years, which is something that other civilizations haven't achieved.
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Gordon wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 8:41pm:
Aboriginal culture is one of the least developed on earth.

Why is so hard to accept this while at the same time accepting they are people who deserve to have their hopes and dreams fulfilled and live with dignity like everyone else?  Why do we needs this ridiculous charade to pretend they are something they are not.


I agree that there are different levels of complexity. The Indigenous Peoples of Australia had less complex civilization than others. We must also recognize that the the culture has been continuous for around 40,000 years, which is something that other civilizations haven't achieved.


Because of isolation, which is now their downfall.
Cultures that mixed adapted and improved. 
The world would be a dull place if we'd never advanced further than that of aboriginals

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Gordon wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 8:50pm:
Auggie wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 8:45pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 8:41pm:
Aboriginal culture is one of the least developed on earth.

Why is so hard to accept this while at the same time accepting they are people who deserve to have their hopes and dreams fulfilled and live with dignity like everyone else?  Why do we needs this ridiculous charade to pretend they are something they are not.


I agree that there are different levels of complexity. The Indigenous Peoples of Australia had less complex civilization than others. We must also recognize that the the culture has been continuous for around 40,000 years, which is something that other civilizations haven't achieved.


Because of isolation, which is now their downfall.
Cultures that mixed adapted and improved. 
The world would be a dull place if we'd never advanced further than that of aboriginals



Isolation played a role. The point that you need to understand is that there was nothing more that they could do. The conditions didn't exist for them to become more complex.
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Gordon wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 8:50pm:
Auggie wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 8:45pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 8:41pm:
Aboriginal culture is one of the least developed on earth.

Why is so hard to accept this while at the same time accepting they are people who deserve to have their hopes and dreams fulfilled and live with dignity like everyone else?  Why do we needs this ridiculous charade to pretend they are something they are not.


I agree that there are different levels of complexity. The Indigenous Peoples of Australia had less complex civilization than others. We must also recognize that the the culture has been continuous for around 40,000 years, which is something that other civilizations haven't achieved.


Because of isolation, which is now their downfall.
Cultures that mixed adapted and improved. 
The world would be a dull place if we'd never advanced further than that of aboriginals



Isolation played a role. The point that you need to understand is that there was nothing more that they could do. The conditions didn't exist for them to become more complex.


Yes, I accept their culture is a result of geography and environment. I don't view them as inferior humanoids but I view their culture as inferior.   
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Auggie wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 9:02pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 8:50pm:
Auggie wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 8:45pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 8:41pm:
Aboriginal culture is one of the least developed on earth.

Why is so hard to accept this while at the same time accepting they are people who deserve to have their hopes and dreams fulfilled and live with dignity like everyone else?  Why do we needs this ridiculous charade to pretend they are something they are not.


I agree that there are different levels of complexity. The Indigenous Peoples of Australia had less complex civilization than others. We must also recognize that the the culture has been continuous for around 40,000 years, which is something that other civilizations haven't achieved.


Because of isolation, which is now their downfall.
Cultures that mixed adapted and improved. 
The world would be a dull place if we'd never advanced further than that of aboriginals



Isolation played a role. The point that you need to understand is that there was nothing more that they could do. The conditions didn't exist for them to become more complex.


Yes, I accept their culture is a result of geography and environment. I don't view them as inferior humanoids but I view their culture as inferior.   


Inferior is the wrong word. That they were able to live sustainably for tens of thousand of years is in some sense superior. I would say that their culture is different. Put it this way, I would prefer indigenous culture to North Korean culture, or to some other cultures in the world.
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Reply #284 - Mar 9th, 2017 at 9:21pm
 
Auggie wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 9:14pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 9:11pm:
Auggie wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 9:02pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 8:50pm:
Auggie wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 8:45pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 8:41pm:
Aboriginal culture is one of the least developed on earth.

Why is so hard to accept this while at the same time accepting they are people who deserve to have their hopes and dreams fulfilled and live with dignity like everyone else?  Why do we needs this ridiculous charade to pretend they are something they are not.


I agree that there are different levels of complexity. The Indigenous Peoples of Australia had less complex civilization than others. We must also recognize that the the culture has been continuous for around 40,000 years, which is something that other civilizations haven't achieved.


Because of isolation, which is now their downfall.
Cultures that mixed adapted and improved. 
The world would be a dull place if we'd never advanced further than that of aboriginals



Isolation played a role. The point that you need to understand is that there was nothing more that they could do. The conditions didn't exist for them to become more complex.


Yes, I accept their culture is a result of geography and environment. I don't view them as inferior humanoids but I view their culture as inferior.   


Inferior is the wrong word. That they were able to live sustainably for tens of thousand of years is in some sense superior. I would say that their culture is different. Put it this way, I would prefer indigenous culture to North Korean culture, or to some other cultures in the world.


No,  I'd characterise them as the most basic examples of human society.

All humans mastered their environments. The prehistoric Britons would have also known the use of every last plant and animal available to them. Just look at the incredible achievements of other cultures above survival,  then look at the aboriginals. Not inferior peole, inferior culture.
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it's more correct to describe christianty as a jewish religion


It's foundations were definitely Jewish, CW.  However, it has developed since then into something unique in it's hypocrisy and hatred.   Roll Eyes


there's nothing unique about hypocrisy and hatred. it's everywhere.

st paul is often attributed to where christianity went wrong. he turned it from a personal, self-reforming doctrine, into one where morality should be legislated by the church. jesus was a bit of dreamer though to think everyone could 'turn the other cheek' etc. far too optimistic given the way of men and women.



Oh, St.Paul has a lot to answer for in his misogny and his support for slavery.   Definitely.   Roll Eyes


like the arab slave traders and their misogyny?


Like some?  Yes, not all though.  Tsk, tsk.    Roll Eyes
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Auggie wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 4:36pm:
Gordon wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 1:14pm:
So we're extolling the virtues of Aboriginals because they managed to pick up bits of broken glass and realised they were sharp and they could cut things with them.


The glass shows that Aboriginal people were here and were utilising new materials, changing their technology, their technique of making artifacts


Hang on what, new materials? Oh yeah, new materials to Aboriginals Smiley

I'd be impressed if they found pieces of glass, ground them to precision, put them inside a didgeridoo and used their brand new high power telescope to discover a new moon of Jupiter.   Cheesy

Finding a piece of glass on the ground and using it to cut things, I'd be impressed if a bonobo did that. Not a human.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-02-21/artefacts-show-coexistence-between-aborigi...


If want a reasonableness explanation on why different societies be evolved differently, read Jared diamond's Guns, Germs and Steel. This attributes environmental factors to urbanisation, writing and division of labour.


that book is ok, but its obsession with ruling out biology and/or genetics does it no favours.


Tsk, tsk, a biological determinist, CW?  Really?    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Brian Ross wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:27am:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 7th, 2017 at 11:39pm:
it's more correct to describe christianty as a jewish religion


It's foundations were definitely Jewish, CW.  However, it has developed since then into something unique in it's hypocrisy and hatred.   Roll Eyes


Baldly, that is true. But the same observations can be made of ALL other religions.


Yep, sure can.  It's interesting how much of a free ride Christianity gets in these fora.   Islam is the only religion that gets really criticised while Christianity gets overlooked.   I wonder why?  Islamophobia perhaps?   Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes



Because Muslims are murdering people in the name of Islam. It could not possibly have escaped even your negligible mind.


And what about the Christians who murder people in the name of their God, Soren?  Should we ignore them as well?   What about the other religious groups, such as Buddhists or Hindus?   Tsk, tsk, your Islamophobia is showing again.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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it's more correct to describe christianty as a jewish religion


It's foundations were definitely Jewish, CW.  However, it has developed since then into something unique in it's hypocrisy and hatred.   Roll Eyes


Baldly, that is true. But the same observations can be made of ALL other religions.


Yep, sure can.  It's interesting how much of a free ride Christianity gets in these fora.   Islam is the only religion that gets really criticised while Christianity gets overlooked.   I wonder why?  Islamophobia perhaps?   Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes



Because Muslims are murdering people in the name of Islam. It could not possibly have escaped even your negligible mind.


The Muslim plants in this forum are only here to distract, divert and disrupt any discussion that exposes the truth about this disgusting,barbaric and primitive CULT


Your Islamophobia is showing again, Valkie.  Stop it or you'll go blind!  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #290 - Mar 9th, 2017 at 10:40pm
 
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So we're extolling the virtues of Aboriginals because they managed to pick up bits of broken glass and realised they were sharp and they could cut things with them.


The glass shows that Aboriginal people were here and were utilising new materials, changing their technology, their technique of making artifacts


Hang on what, new materials? Oh yeah, new materials to Aboriginals Smiley

I'd be impressed if they found pieces of glass, ground them to precision, put them inside a didgeridoo and used their brand new high power telescope to discover a new moon of Jupiter.   Cheesy

Finding a piece of glass on the ground and using it to cut things, I'd be impressed if a bonobo did that. Not a human.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-02-21/artefacts-show-coexistence-between-aborigi...


If want a reasonableness explanation on why different societies be evolved differently, read Jared diamond's Guns, Germs and Steel. This attributes environmental factors to urbanisation, writing and division of labour.


that book is ok, but its obsession with ruling out biology and/or genetics does it no favours.


Ooh. You're treading on controversial ground here. Biology and genetics have NOTHING to do with the development of societies. This is an established fact. Such theories are considered pseudo-science.


biology always plays a part. removing biology from the equation equates to nothing of us existing at all. environments don't create bodies. what's really occurring is a constant interaction of the body with its environment, and vice-versa, whereby each affects the other. it's not either/or. it's and/with.


The environment affects how we behave. For e.g. an instrumental factor in the development of early urbanization was a food surplus. The agricultural revolution, as a result of the domestication of certain animals which did not exist on the Australian continent, led to a greater productive capacity in agriculture. The food surplus then led to a division of labour, and urbanization, which then led to writing, etc.

The Australia and American continents didn't have cattle. African had cattle but the tropical diseases affected the cattle so much that they were hardly effective. This prevented the Africans from having the capacity to create a food surplus and thereafter urbanized societies.


so how did the aztecs, maya and incas develop farming, crops, bridges, roads, urbanization, pyramids etc? i don't deny the environment plays a part, often a very big part, but you don't even have humans without biology. forget the far-leftists and their screeching of 'biology = nazism'. think about it objectively.


They developed farming, crops, bridges, roads, urbanisation, pyramids, and so on because they were situated in the right place at the right time when such things could be developed, CW.   Why did the British develop stone circles?  Why did the Indian civilisations develop crops?  Why did the Asians develop music?  Nothing to do with biology, all to do with circumstances.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #291 - Mar 9th, 2017 at 10:43pm
 
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Aboriginal culture is one of the least developed on earth.


Define how a "culture" "develops", Gordon.   Indigenous culture was as developed, if not more so than any other stone-age group on Earth.   They had their creation myths, they had their ceremonies and dances.   Exactly as did every other stone-age culture.  Why do you assume that they had to be something other than what they were?

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Why is so hard to accept this while at the same time accepting they are people who deserve to have their hopes and dreams fulfilled and live with dignity like everyone else?  Why do we needs this ridiculous charade to pretend they are something they are not.


They are people who deserve to develop themselves, Gordon.  They don't need you continually sneering at them for not being what you want them to be.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Aboriginal culture is one of the least developed on earth.

Why is so hard to accept this while at the same time accepting they are people who deserve to have their hopes and dreams fulfilled and live with dignity like everyone else?  Why do we needs this ridiculous charade to pretend they are something they are not.


I agree that there are different levels of complexity. The Indigenous Peoples of Australia had less complex civilization than others. We must also recognize that the the culture has been continuous for around 40,000 years, which is something that other civilizations haven't achieved.


Because of isolation, which is now their downfall.
Cultures that mixed adapted and improved. 
The world would be a dull place if we'd never advanced further than that of aboriginals



Isolation played a role. The point that you need to understand is that there was nothing more that they could do. The conditions didn't exist for them to become more complex.


Yes, I accept their culture is a result of geography and environment. I don't view them as inferior humanoids but I view their culture as inferior.   


Inferior is the wrong word. That they were able to live sustainably for tens of thousand of years is in some sense superior. I would say that their culture is different. Put it this way, I would prefer indigenous culture to North Korean culture, or to some other cultures in the world.


No,  I'd characterise them as the most basic examples of human society.

All humans mastered their environments. The prehistoric Britons would have also known the use of every last plant and animal available to them. Just look at the incredible achievements of other cultures above survival,  then look at the aboriginals. Not inferior peole, inferior culture.


We pretty much agree on the same thing; I just think we differ on the semantics. I prefer to use words like 'social institutions' and 'ideas' rather than 'culture'. The latter is too broad, whilst the former are more specific and more neutral in tone. "Some social institutions are better than others; some ideas are better than ideas."
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Reply #293 - Mar 9th, 2017 at 11:44pm
 
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They developed farming, crops, bridges, roads, urbanisation, pyramids, and so on because they were situated in the right place at the right time when such things could be developed, CW.   Why did the British develop stone circles?  Why did the Indian civilisations develop crops?  Why did the Asians develop music?  Nothing to do with biology, all to do with circumstances.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
Aboriginals are racially unique and science supports this. You really are a slow learner Brian,. Arguing against racism and arguing against racial differences are 2 different things. There is no argument that Aboriginals are not racially unique and you just make yourself look under educated by arguing the opposite.
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They developed farming, crops, bridges, roads, urbanisation, pyramids, and so on because they were situated in the right place at the right time when such things could be developed, CW.   Why did the British develop stone circles?  Why did the Indian civilisations develop crops?  Why did the Asians develop music?  Nothing to do with biology, all to do with circumstances.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
Aboriginals are racially unique and science supports this. You really are a slow learner Brian,. Arguing against racism and arguing against racial differences are 2 different things. There is no argument that Aboriginals are not racially unique and you just make yourself look under educated by arguing the opposite.


Show us the Genetic proof that they are "unique", Rhino.  I've challenged you to do that in the past and you've failed dismally.    Roll Eyes
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The environment affects how we behave. For e.g. an instrumental factor in the development of early urbanization was a food surplus. The agricultural revolution, as a result of the domestication of certain animals which did not exist on the Australian continent, led to a greater productive capacity in agriculture. The food surplus then led to a division of labour, and urbanization, which then led to writing, etc.

The Australia and American continents didn't have cattle. African had cattle but the tropical diseases affected the cattle so much that they were hardly effective. This prevented the Africans from having the capacity to create a food surplus and thereafter urbanized societies. [/quote]

so how did the aztecs, maya and incas develop farming, crops, bridges, roads, urbanization, pyramids etc? i don't deny the environment plays a part, often a very big part, but you don't even have humans without biology. forget the far-leftists and their screeching of 'biology = nazism'. think about it objectively.
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They developed farming, crops, bridges, roads, urbanisation, pyramids, and so on because they were situated in the right place at the right time when such things could be developed, CW.   Why did the British develop stone circles?  Why did the Indian civilisations develop crops?  Why did the Asians develop music?  Nothing to do with biology, all to do with circumstances.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes [/quote]

Interesting to compare domestication of animals across cultures. In South America, they may not have had critters of the bovine variety, but they certainly had Llamas for carrying goods, lets not forget.
In Australia..?  there were no animals that could fill that role. The aboriginal people have managed to survive for tens of thousands of years in an environment we could not have lived in. What the basic simplicity of their lives meant, before the white man, was that their energies were on a whole other level.
I think that is why the euros are so hard on the aboriginal people.

Why?  Because, in the essence of life, the aboriginals of Australia have / had achieved a singular near perfect symbiosis with their environment. So.. in Australia..? the aboriginals made a real enduring culture, in the toughest of circumstances.

We are in fact in awe of the realities and richness of their supposedly simple lives.
We have basically destroyed their world, but they still continue.
Good on them.. they show much more of the 'right stuff' than any jerk on a keyboard. 



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There are different degrees of complexity. You're also completely disregarding social institutions and structures. Biology only really plays a role on an individual level, not a societal level.


i haven't started on institutions and structures yet. one of my pet interests is understanding why 400 years ago europe strove toward becoming the most creative continent the world has ever seen. reducing it to 'food surpluses' and urbanization will only get you so far. there was a flowering of the sciences - hard and soft - at this time. this flowering was a cross between rediscovering the texts and ideas of antiquity and a strong desire to create, innovate and understand the world.
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Gordon wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 1:14pm:
So we're extolling the virtues of Aboriginals because they managed to pick up bits of broken glass and realised they were sharp and they could cut things with them.


The glass shows that Aboriginal people were here and were utilising new materials, changing their technology, their technique of making artifacts


Hang on what, new materials? Oh yeah, new materials to Aboriginals Smiley

I'd be impressed if they found pieces of glass, ground them to precision, put them inside a didgeridoo and used their brand new high power telescope to discover a new moon of Jupiter.   Cheesy

Finding a piece of glass on the ground and using it to cut things, I'd be impressed if a bonobo did that. Not a human.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-02-21/artefacts-show-coexistence-between-aborigi...


If want a reasonableness explanation on why different societies be evolved differently, read Jared diamond's Guns, Germs and Steel. This attributes environmental factors to urbanisation, writing and division of labour.


that book is ok, but its obsession with ruling out biology and/or genetics does it no favours.


Tsk, tsk, a biological determinist, CW?  Really?    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


if you follow the discussion rather than interjecting like a twit then you'd see that is not the case.
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They developed farming, crops, bridges, roads, urbanisation, pyramids, and so on because they were situated in the right place at the right time when such things could be developed, CW.   Why did the British develop stone circles?  Why did the Indian civilisations develop crops?  Why did the Asians develop music?  Nothing to do with biology, all to do with circumstances.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


biology always plays a part - to what degree is the question. to repeat, without biology there are no humans. the environment doesn't create human beings out of thin air.
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Reply #299 - Mar 10th, 2017 at 3:32pm
 
Auggie wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 11:40pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 9:21pm:
Auggie wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 9:14pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 9:11pm:
Auggie wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 9:02pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 8:50pm:
Auggie wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 8:45pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 8:41pm:
Aboriginal culture is one of the least developed on earth.

Why is so hard to accept this while at the same time accepting they are people who deserve to have their hopes and dreams fulfilled and live with dignity like everyone else?  Why do we needs this ridiculous charade to pretend they are something they are not.


I agree that there are different levels of complexity. The Indigenous Peoples of Australia had less complex civilization than others. We must also recognize that the the culture has been continuous for around 40,000 years, which is something that other civilizations haven't achieved.


Because of isolation, which is now their downfall.
Cultures that mixed adapted and improved. 
The world would be a dull place if we'd never advanced further than that of aboriginals



Isolation played a role. The point that you need to understand is that there was nothing more that they could do. The conditions didn't exist for them to become more complex.


Yes, I accept their culture is a result of geography and environment. I don't view them as inferior humanoids but I view their culture as inferior.   


Inferior is the wrong word. That they were able to live sustainably for tens of thousand of years is in some sense superior. I would say that their culture is different. Put it this way, I would prefer indigenous culture to North Korean culture, or to some other cultures in the world.


No,  I'd characterise them as the most basic examples of human society.

All humans mastered their environments. The prehistoric Britons would have also known the use of every last plant and animal available to them. Just look at the incredible achievements of other cultures above survival,  then look at the aboriginals. Not inferior peole, inferior culture.


We pretty much agree on the same thing; I just think we differ on the semantics. I prefer to use words like 'social institutions' and 'ideas' rather than 'culture'. The latter is too broad, whilst the former are more specific and more neutral in tone. "Some social institutions are better than others; some ideas are better than ideas."


Yes we both agree that fundamentally human hardware is not a factor.

The thing I find particular funny is the way their culture is elevated to what it simply isn't. 

Fish traps are described as aquaculture.
Trading with the guys over the hill is called export.
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Reply #300 - Mar 10th, 2017 at 3:36pm
 
Gordon wrote on Mar 10th, 2017 at 3:32pm:
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Gordon wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 9:21pm:
Auggie wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 9:14pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 9:11pm:
Auggie wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 9:02pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 8:50pm:
Auggie wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 8:45pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 8:41pm:
Aboriginal culture is one of the least developed on earth.

Why is so hard to accept this while at the same time accepting they are people who deserve to have their hopes and dreams fulfilled and live with dignity like everyone else?  Why do we needs this ridiculous charade to pretend they are something they are not.


I agree that there are different levels of complexity. The Indigenous Peoples of Australia had less complex civilization than others. We must also recognize that the the culture has been continuous for around 40,000 years, which is something that other civilizations haven't achieved.


Because of isolation, which is now their downfall.
Cultures that mixed adapted and improved. 
The world would be a dull place if we'd never advanced further than that of aboriginals



Isolation played a role. The point that you need to understand is that there was nothing more that they could do. The conditions didn't exist for them to become more complex.


Yes, I accept their culture is a result of geography and environment. I don't view them as inferior humanoids but I view their culture as inferior.   


Inferior is the wrong word. That they were able to live sustainably for tens of thousand of years is in some sense superior. I would say that their culture is different. Put it this way, I would prefer indigenous culture to North Korean culture, or to some other cultures in the world.


No,  I'd characterise them as the most basic examples of human society.

All humans mastered their environments. The prehistoric Britons would have also known the use of every last plant and animal available to them. Just look at the incredible achievements of other cultures above survival,  then look at the aboriginals. Not inferior peole, inferior culture.


We pretty much agree on the same thing; I just think we differ on the semantics. I prefer to use words like 'social institutions' and 'ideas' rather than 'culture'. The latter is too broad, whilst the former are more specific and more neutral in tone. "Some social institutions are better than others; some ideas are better than ideas."


Yes we both agree that fundamentally human hardware is not a factor.

The thing I find particular funny is the way their culture is elevated to what it simply isn't. 

Fish traps are described as aquaculture.
Trading with the guys over the hill is called export.


There was far ore to it than simply fish traps.

Don't stay ignorant you're whole life, Gordy.

http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/bushtelegraph/rethinking-indigenous...
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They were traditionally river and lake people, with Framlingham Forest, Lake Condah and the surrounding river systems being of great importance to them economically and spiritually. They had a sophisticated system of aquaculture and eel farming as well as stone dwellings. They built stone dams to hold the water in these areas, creating ponds and wetlands in which they grew Short-finned eels and other fish. They also created channels linking these wetlands.These channels contained weirs with large woven baskets made by women to harvest mature eels.[2][3]

Speaking of the Gunditjmara people.


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Gordon wrote on Mar 10th, 2017 at 3:32pm:
Auggie wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 11:40pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 9:21pm:
Auggie wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 9:14pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 9:11pm:
Auggie wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 9:02pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 8:50pm:
Auggie wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 8:45pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 8:41pm:
Aboriginal culture is one of the least developed on earth.

Why is so hard to accept this while at the same time accepting they are people who deserve to have their hopes and dreams fulfilled and live with dignity like everyone else?  Why do we needs this ridiculous charade to pretend they are something they are not.


I agree that there are different levels of complexity. The Indigenous Peoples of Australia had less complex civilization than others. We must also recognize that the the culture has been continuous for around 40,000 years, which is something that other civilizations haven't achieved.


Because of isolation, which is now their downfall.
Cultures that mixed adapted and improved. 
The world would be a dull place if we'd never advanced further than that of aboriginals



Isolation played a role. The point that you need to understand is that there was nothing more that they could do. The conditions didn't exist for them to become more complex.


Yes, I accept their culture is a result of geography and environment. I don't view them as inferior humanoids but I view their culture as inferior.   


Inferior is the wrong word. That they were able to live sustainably for tens of thousand of years is in some sense superior. I would say that their culture is different. Put it this way, I would prefer indigenous culture to North Korean culture, or to some other cultures in the world.


No,  I'd characterise them as the most basic examples of human society.

All humans mastered their environments. The prehistoric Britons would have also known the use of every last plant and animal available to them. Just look at the incredible achievements of other cultures above survival,  then look at the aboriginals. Not inferior peole, inferior culture.


We pretty much agree on the same thing; I just think we differ on the semantics. I prefer to use words like 'social institutions' and 'ideas' rather than 'culture'. The latter is too broad, whilst the former are more specific and more neutral in tone. "Some social institutions are better than others; some ideas are better than ideas."


Yes we both agree that fundamentally human hardware is not a factor.

The thing I find particular funny is the way their culture is elevated to what it simply isn't. 

Fish traps are described as aquaculture.
Trading with the guys over the hill is called export.


It mainly comes down to political correctness. Also, the indigenous peoples' lifestyle was unique in certain respects.
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Yet, Soren, Christianity originated in Palestine ("Middle-East" in modern regional parlance), it was made up of primarily Palestinian people, it's beliefs were primarily Palestinian and its fonder was Palestinian.   Funny how you keep ignoring that.  I wonder why?  Is it painful to admit that you worship a Jewish God and that your messiah was a Jew?  Tsk, tsk, such anti-Semitism.    Roll Eyes

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They should take that worthless DD off you Brian, you do not deserve even an online degree.

Christianity was not 'Palestinian', with 'Palestinian' beliefs and its founder was not 'Palestinian'. I ignore your stupidity because you are an ignorant, stupid buffoon, saying idiotic things that must be ignored.




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Gordon wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 8:41pm:
Aboriginal culture is one of the least developed on earth.

Why is so hard to accept this while at the same time accepting they are people who deserve to have their hopes and dreams fulfilled and live with dignity like everyone else?  Why do we needs this ridiculous charade to pretend they are something they are not.


I agree that there are different levels of complexity. The Indigenous Peoples of Australia had a less complex civilization than others. I think this is due to the fact that they didn't need to develop complexity.


Why didn't they?  Under what circumstances is it preferable to remain stone age?

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Gordon wrote on Mar 10th, 2017 at 3:32pm:
Auggie wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 11:40pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 9:21pm:
Auggie wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 9:14pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 9:11pm:
Auggie wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 9:02pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 8:50pm:
Auggie wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 8:45pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 8:41pm:
Aboriginal culture is one of the least developed on earth.

Why is so hard to accept this while at the same time accepting they are people who deserve to have their hopes and dreams fulfilled and live with dignity like everyone else?  Why do we needs this ridiculous charade to pretend they are something they are not.


I agree that there are different levels of complexity. The Indigenous Peoples of Australia had less complex civilization than others. We must also recognize that the the culture has been continuous for around 40,000 years, which is something that other civilizations haven't achieved.


Because of isolation, which is now their downfall.
Cultures that mixed adapted and improved. 
The world would be a dull place if we'd never advanced further than that of aboriginals



Isolation played a role. The point that you need to understand is that there was nothing more that they could do. The conditions didn't exist for them to become more complex.


Yes, I accept their culture is a result of geography and environment. I don't view them as inferior humanoids but I view their culture as inferior.   


Inferior is the wrong word. That they were able to live sustainably for tens of thousand of years is in some sense superior. I would say that their culture is different. Put it this way, I would prefer indigenous culture to North Korean culture, or to some other cultures in the world.


No,  I'd characterise them as the most basic examples of human society.

All humans mastered their environments. The prehistoric Britons would have also known the use of every last plant and animal available to them. Just look at the incredible achievements of other cultures above survival,  then look at the aboriginals. Not inferior peole, inferior culture.


We pretty much agree on the same thing; I just think we differ on the semantics. I prefer to use words like 'social institutions' and 'ideas' rather than 'culture'. The latter is too broad, whilst the former are more specific and more neutral in tone. "Some social institutions are better than others; some ideas are better than ideas."


Yes we both agree that fundamentally human hardware is not a factor.

The thing I find particular funny is the way their culture is elevated to what it simply isn't. 

Fish traps are described as aquaculture.
Trading with the guys over the hill is called export.


It mainly comes down to political correctness. Also, the indigenous peoples' lifestyle was unique in certain respects.


I can swallow a bit of PC for the sake of their empowerment, but the levels it gets to is just farcical.

Once I was in a national park getting a tour and talk from a ranger, and she showed us a replica of an Aboriginal water maker, a pile of stones on the top of a hill as a guide to water locations. Cool! But she added that Aboriginals had some of the most sophisticated water management systems.

I've been to Pont du Gard and Angkor Wat and the Colosseum , sorry but I'm just not impressed by a 100cm pile of stones.



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Reply #306 - Mar 11th, 2017 at 12:42am
 
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Aboriginal culture is one of the least developed on earth.

Why is so hard to accept this while at the same time accepting they are people who deserve to have their hopes and dreams fulfilled and live with dignity like everyone else?  Why do we needs this ridiculous charade to pretend they are something they are not.


I agree that there are different levels of complexity. The Indigenous Peoples of Australia had a less complex civilization than others. I think this is due to the fact that they didn't need to develop complexity.


Why didn't they?  Under what circumstances is it preferable to remain stone age?



Probably a number of reasons they didn't develop a more "complex" society.

The Australian continent lacked beasts of burden and a high yield agricultural crop.

North and South American civilisations were built around corn, Asia had rice and Europe and North Africa had wheat.

It's possible that aboriginal people brought with them some form of crop when they first entered Australia, after all at that time they would of been the most advanced humans on the planet.

However northern Australia would have been hostile to crops at that time, the area is fire prone in the dry season and suffers from nutrient leeching in the wet so any crop they introduced probably went extinct.

The fact that they were able to survive in a hostile environment for tens of thousands of years is extraordinary.

They are the planet's oldest surviving culture. And a complex one.

Their art, music, stories speak of a complex society.

The laws they put in place to preserve their genetic heritage in a sparsely populated, isolated area speaks of an intelligent race that understood the dangers of limited genetic diversity.

For Raven the sign of an advanced culture is not who has the best toys, who's more technologically advanced. Too many of the technologically advanced cultures in history have gone extinct

No, what makes a superior culture is a culture whose works of art, their music, their poets are admired and preserved and fought for.

Aboriginal culture has survived for over 40,000 years. No other culture on earth has lasted even half that time.
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Out of all the nig nogs in the world, the abos are the most primitive.
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Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 10th, 2017 at 6:02am:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 10:40pm:
[quote author=Time link=1487646898/276#276 date=1489055568]

They developed farming, crops, bridges, roads, urbanisation, pyramids, and so on because they were situated in the right place at the right time when such things could be developed, CW.   Why did the British develop stone circles?  Why did the Indian civilisations develop crops?  Why did the Asians develop music?  Nothing to do with biology, all to do with circumstances.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


biology always plays a part - to what degree is the question. to repeat, without biology there are no humans. the environment doesn't create human beings out of thin air.


True but biology does not determine how we react to situations.  Tsk, tsk, and that is what you're attempting to infer.   Biology has little to do with how humans interact and react to each other and to their environment.   Roll Eyes
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Frank wrote on Mar 10th, 2017 at 6:03pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 6:13pm:
Yet, Soren, Christianity originated in Palestine ("Middle-East" in modern regional parlance), it was made up of primarily Palestinian people, it's beliefs were primarily Palestinian and its fonder was Palestinian.   Funny how you keep ignoring that.  I wonder why?  Is it painful to admit that you worship a Jewish God and that your messiah was a Jew?  Tsk, tsk, such anti-Semitism.    Roll Eyes

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What crazy institution would confer an honorary Doctor of Divinity on you, a mere tendentious buffoon??



Tsk, tsk, resorting to ad hominem debate again, Soren?   Nothing "honorary" about my DD.    Roll Eyes



They should take that worthless DD off you Brian, you do not deserve even an online degree.

Christianity was not 'Palestinian', with 'Palestinian' beliefs and its founder was not 'Palestinian'. I ignore your stupidity because you are an ignorant, stupid buffoon, saying idiotic things that must be ignored.


Christianity was created in Palestine by a Palestinian Carpenter's son, Soren.  As much as you deny that, the less is your grip on reality.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Out of all the nig nogs in the world, the abos are the most primitive.


And you believe you're more sophisticated, Rhino?  Really?  You have got to be joking.  You leak hatred, racism, Xenophobia and Islamophobia from every pore.  Tsk. tsk.    Roll Eyes
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Out of all the nig nogs in the world, the abos are the most primitive.


Why?
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So no-one is game to respond to my post.

Perfectly understandable, given the general 'trend'.  Roll Eyes

You all do understand,, don't you? that Australian aboriginals have just as much diversity in their DNA as any other citizen.?

The very fact that they survived here makes them a pretty significant representative of human adaptability.
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quote]Aboriginals are racially unique and science supports this. You really are a slow learner Brian,. Arguing against racism and arguing against racial differences are 2 different things. There is no argument that Aboriginals are not racially unique and you just make yourself look under educated by arguing the opposite.
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But that is simply incorrect.


ERRR UMM .. actually I have no idea what you are saying with that post.

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Reply #314 - Mar 11th, 2017 at 8:07am
 
mothra wrote on Mar 10th, 2017 at 3:36pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 10th, 2017 at 3:32pm:
Auggie wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 11:40pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 9:21pm:
Auggie wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 9:14pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 9:11pm:
Auggie wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 9:02pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 8:50pm:
Auggie wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 8:45pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 8:41pm:
Aboriginal culture is one of the least developed on earth.

Why is so hard to accept this while at the same time accepting they are people who deserve to have their hopes and dreams fulfilled and live with dignity like everyone else?  Why do we needs this ridiculous charade to pretend they are something they are not.


I agree that there are different levels of complexity. The Indigenous Peoples of Australia had less complex civilization than others. We must also recognize that the the culture has been continuous for around 40,000 years, which is something that other civilizations haven't achieved.


Because of isolation, which is now their downfall.
Cultures that mixed adapted and improved. 
The world would be a dull place if we'd never advanced further than that of aboriginals



Isolation played a role. The point that you need to understand is that there was nothing more that they could do. The conditions didn't exist for them to become more complex.


Yes, I accept their culture is a result of geography and environment. I don't view them as inferior humanoids but I view their culture as inferior.   


Inferior is the wrong word. That they were able to live sustainably for tens of thousand of years is in some sense superior. I would say that their culture is different. Put it this way, I would prefer indigenous culture to North Korean culture, or to some other cultures in the world.


No,  I'd characterise them as the most basic examples of human society.

All humans mastered their environments. The prehistoric Britons would have also known the use of every last plant and animal available to them. Just look at the incredible achievements of other cultures above survival,  then look at the aboriginals. Not inferior peole, inferior culture.


We pretty much agree on the same thing; I just think we differ on the semantics. I prefer to use words like 'social institutions' and 'ideas' rather than 'culture'. The latter is too broad, whilst the former are more specific and more neutral in tone. "Some social institutions are better than others; some ideas are better than ideas."


Yes we both agree that fundamentally human hardware is not a factor.

The thing I find particular funny is the way their culture is elevated to what it simply isn't. 

Fish traps are described as aquaculture.
Trading with the guys over the hill is called export.


There was far ore to it than simply fish traps.

Don't stay ignorant you're whole life, Gordy.

http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/bushtelegraph/rethinking-indigenous...


No there isn't

Unlike us .... they only caught what they needed for a feed, that's why there was always plenty.

It was never in their culture to hoard/stash it away for a rainy day or supply it/export it( Grin Grin Grin) on a commercial basis.

The whole concept is delusional.
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Reply #315 - Mar 11th, 2017 at 3:40pm
 
Frank wrote on Mar 10th, 2017 at 6:26pm:
Auggie wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 8:45pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 8:41pm:
Aboriginal culture is one of the least developed on earth.

Why is so hard to accept this while at the same time accepting they are people who deserve to have their hopes and dreams fulfilled and live with dignity like everyone else?  Why do we needs this ridiculous charade to pretend they are something they are not.


I agree that there are different levels of complexity. The Indigenous Peoples of Australia had a less complex civilization than others. I think this is due to the fact that they didn't need to develop complexity.


Why didn't they?  Under what circumstances is it preferable to remain stone age?



The environmental conditions didn't exist that were conducive to developing a more complex society.
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Reply #316 - Mar 11th, 2017 at 3:52pm
 
Gnads wrote on Mar 11th, 2017 at 8:07am:
mothra wrote on Mar 10th, 2017 at 3:36pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 10th, 2017 at 3:32pm:
Auggie wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 11:40pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 9:21pm:
Auggie wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 9:14pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 9:11pm:
Auggie wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 9:02pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 8:50pm:
Auggie wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 8:45pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 8:41pm:
Aboriginal culture is one of the least developed on earth.

Why is so hard to accept this while at the same time accepting they are people who deserve to have their hopes and dreams fulfilled and live with dignity like everyone else?  Why do we needs this ridiculous charade to pretend they are something they are not.


I agree that there are different levels of complexity. The Indigenous Peoples of Australia had less complex civilization than others. We must also recognize that the the culture has been continuous for around 40,000 years, which is something that other civilizations haven't achieved.


Because of isolation, which is now their downfall.
Cultures that mixed adapted and improved. 
The world would be a dull place if we'd never advanced further than that of aboriginals



Isolation played a role. The point that you need to understand is that there was nothing more that they could do. The conditions didn't exist for them to become more complex.


Yes, I accept their culture is a result of geography and environment. I don't view them as inferior humanoids but I view their culture as inferior.   


Inferior is the wrong word. That they were able to live sustainably for tens of thousand of years is in some sense superior. I would say that their culture is different. Put it this way, I would prefer indigenous culture to North Korean culture, or to some other cultures in the world.


No,  I'd characterise them as the most basic examples of human society.

All humans mastered their environments. The prehistoric Britons would have also known the use of every last plant and animal available to them. Just look at the incredible achievements of other cultures above survival,  then look at the aboriginals. Not inferior peole, inferior culture.


We pretty much agree on the same thing; I just think we differ on the semantics. I prefer to use words like 'social institutions' and 'ideas' rather than 'culture'. The latter is too broad, whilst the former are more specific and more neutral in tone. "Some social institutions are better than others; some ideas are better than ideas."


Yes we both agree that fundamentally human hardware is not a factor.

The thing I find particular funny is the way their culture is elevated to what it simply isn't. 

Fish traps are described as aquaculture.
Trading with the guys over the hill is called export.


There was far ore to it than simply fish traps.

Don't stay ignorant you're whole life, Gordy.

http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/bushtelegraph/rethinking-indigenous...


No there isn't

Unlike us .... they only caught what they needed for a feed, that's why there was always plenty.

It was never in their culture to hoard/stash it away for a rainy day or supply it/export it( Grin Grin Grin) on a commercial basis.

The whole concept is delusional.


Is it?  So how did the Indigenous Australians trade?  Why bother?  If they "only catch what they need"?    Indigenous Australians traded significant trade goods significant distances across Australia, from tribe to tribe, Gnads.   Which, if you weren't a Racist, you'd know and understand.   According to you, all Indigenous Australians killed all other strangers as soon as they encountered them on their lands.   Wait a second, how can it be "their lands" when according to you, they didn't have any concept of ownership?  Ooops, caught out again...  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Brian, would you talk to someone like that in a pub?
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Reply #318 - Mar 11th, 2017 at 4:02pm
 
Gordon wrote on Mar 10th, 2017 at 6:41pm:
Auggie wrote on Mar 10th, 2017 at 5:54pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 10th, 2017 at 3:32pm:
Auggie wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 11:40pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 9:21pm:
Auggie wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 9:14pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 9:11pm:
Auggie wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 9:02pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 8:50pm:
Auggie wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 8:45pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 8:41pm:
Aboriginal culture is one of the least developed on earth.

Why is so hard to accept this while at the same time accepting they are people who deserve to have their hopes and dreams fulfilled and live with dignity like everyone else?  Why do we needs this ridiculous charade to pretend they are something they are not.


I agree that there are different levels of complexity. The Indigenous Peoples of Australia had less complex civilization than others. We must also recognize that the the culture has been continuous for around 40,000 years, which is something that other civilizations haven't achieved.


Because of isolation, which is now their downfall.
Cultures that mixed adapted and improved. 
The world would be a dull place if we'd never advanced further than that of aboriginals



Isolation played a role. The point that you need to understand is that there was nothing more that they could do. The conditions didn't exist for them to become more complex.


Yes, I accept their culture is a result of geography and environment. I don't view them as inferior humanoids but I view their culture as inferior.   


Inferior is the wrong word. That they were able to live sustainably for tens of thousand of years is in some sense superior. I would say that their culture is different. Put it this way, I would prefer indigenous culture to North Korean culture, or to some other cultures in the world.


No,  I'd characterise them as the most basic examples of human society.

All humans mastered their environments. The prehistoric Britons would have also known the use of every last plant and animal available to them. Just look at the incredible achievements of other cultures above survival,  then look at the aboriginals. Not inferior peole, inferior culture.


We pretty much agree on the same thing; I just think we differ on the semantics. I prefer to use words like 'social institutions' and 'ideas' rather than 'culture'. The latter is too broad, whilst the former are more specific and more neutral in tone. "Some social institutions are better than others; some ideas are better than ideas."


Yes we both agree that fundamentally human hardware is not a factor.

The thing I find particular funny is the way their culture is elevated to what it simply isn't. 

Fish traps are described as aquaculture.
Trading with the guys over the hill is called export.


It mainly comes down to political correctness. Also, the indigenous peoples' lifestyle was unique in certain respects.


I can swallow a bit of PC for the sake of their empowerment, but the levels it gets to is just farcical.

Once I was in a national park getting a tour and talk from a ranger, and she showed us a replica of an Aboriginal water maker, a pile of stones on the top of a hill as a guide to water locations. Cool! But she added that Aboriginals had some of the most sophisticated water management systems.

I've been to Pont du Gard and Angkor Wat and the Colosseum , sorry but I'm just not impressed by a 100cm pile of stones.





In its own way, it could've been sophisticated. In other ways not. Some people may be impressed, others may not be. It all comes down to personal preferences. I think when it comes to 'comparing cultures' we should just keep an open mind and experience whatever the differences are.
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Brian, would you talk to someone like that in a pub?


Nope.  Would you?  Afterall, you're on record here insulting Muslim women, Muslim men, Muslim kids.  Tsk, tsk, look to your own backyard, I'd recommend, Gordon, before suggesting that I clean my own up first.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Auggie wrote on Mar 11th, 2017 at 4:02pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 10th, 2017 at 6:41pm:
Auggie wrote on Mar 10th, 2017 at 5:54pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 10th, 2017 at 3:32pm:
Auggie wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 11:40pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 9:21pm:
Auggie wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 9:14pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 9:11pm:
Auggie wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 9:02pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 8:50pm:
Auggie wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 8:45pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 8:41pm:
Aboriginal culture is one of the least developed on earth.

Why is so hard to accept this while at the same time accepting they are people who deserve to have their hopes and dreams fulfilled and live with dignity like everyone else?  Why do we needs this ridiculous charade to pretend they are something they are not.


I agree that there are different levels of complexity. The Indigenous Peoples of Australia had less complex civilization than others. We must also recognize that the the culture has been continuous for around 40,000 years, which is something that other civilizations haven't achieved.


Because of isolation, which is now their downfall.
Cultures that mixed adapted and improved. 
The world would be a dull place if we'd never advanced further than that of aboriginals



Isolation played a role. The point that you need to understand is that there was nothing more that they could do. The conditions didn't exist for them to become more complex.


Yes, I accept their culture is a result of geography and environment. I don't view them as inferior humanoids but I view their culture as inferior.   


Inferior is the wrong word. That they were able to live sustainably for tens of thousand of years is in some sense superior. I would say that their culture is different. Put it this way, I would prefer indigenous culture to North Korean culture, or to some other cultures in the world.


No,  I'd characterise them as the most basic examples of human society.

All humans mastered their environments. The prehistoric Britons would have also known the use of every last plant and animal available to them. Just look at the incredible achievements of other cultures above survival,  then look at the aboriginals. Not inferior peole, inferior culture.


We pretty much agree on the same thing; I just think we differ on the semantics. I prefer to use words like 'social institutions' and 'ideas' rather than 'culture'. The latter is too broad, whilst the former are more specific and more neutral in tone. "Some social institutions are better than others; some ideas are better than ideas."


Yes we both agree that fundamentally human hardware is not a factor.

The thing I find particular funny is the way their culture is elevated to what it simply isn't. 

Fish traps are described as aquaculture.
Trading with the guys over the hill is called export.


It mainly comes down to political correctness. Also, the indigenous peoples' lifestyle was unique in certain respects.


I can swallow a bit of PC for the sake of their empowerment, but the levels it gets to is just farcical.

Once I was in a national park getting a tour and talk from a ranger, and she showed us a replica of an Aboriginal water maker, a pile of stones on the top of a hill as a guide to water locations. Cool! But she added that Aboriginals had some of the most sophisticated water management systems.

I've been to Pont du Gard and Angkor Wat and the Colosseum , sorry but I'm just not impressed by a 100cm pile of stones.





In its own way, it could've been sophisticated. In other ways not. Some people may be impressed, others may not be. It all comes down to personal preferences. I think when it comes to 'comparing cultures' we should just keep an open mind and experience whatever the differences are.


Well it's likely that all cultures passed thru the stage that Aboriginals remained at perpetually, obviously not exactly the same but very similar. Despite what Brian would say, I actually don't disrespect Aboriginals or their culture, but I characterise it differently. To not do so is intellectually dishonest.
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Gordon wrote on Mar 11th, 2017 at 4:14pm:
Auggie wrote on Mar 11th, 2017 at 4:02pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 10th, 2017 at 6:41pm:
Auggie wrote on Mar 10th, 2017 at 5:54pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 10th, 2017 at 3:32pm:
Auggie wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 11:40pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 9:21pm:
Auggie wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 9:14pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 9:11pm:
Auggie wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 9:02pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 8:50pm:
Auggie wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 8:45pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 8:41pm:
Aboriginal culture is one of the least developed on earth.

Why is so hard to accept this while at the same time accepting they are people who deserve to have their hopes and dreams fulfilled and live with dignity like everyone else?  Why do we needs this ridiculous charade to pretend they are something they are not.


I agree that there are different levels of complexity. The Indigenous Peoples of Australia had less complex civilization than others. We must also recognize that the the culture has been continuous for around 40,000 years, which is something that other civilizations haven't achieved.


Because of isolation, which is now their downfall.
Cultures that mixed adapted and improved. 
The world would be a dull place if we'd never advanced further than that of aboriginals



Isolation played a role. The point that you need to understand is that there was nothing more that they could do. The conditions didn't exist for them to become more complex.


Yes, I accept their culture is a result of geography and environment. I don't view them as inferior humanoids but I view their culture as inferior.   


Inferior is the wrong word. That they were able to live sustainably for tens of thousand of years is in some sense superior. I would say that their culture is different. Put it this way, I would prefer indigenous culture to North Korean culture, or to some other cultures in the world.


No,  I'd characterise them as the most basic examples of human society.

All humans mastered their environments. The prehistoric Britons would have also known the use of every last plant and animal available to them. Just look at the incredible achievements of other cultures above survival,  then look at the aboriginals. Not inferior peole, inferior culture.


We pretty much agree on the same thing; I just think we differ on the semantics. I prefer to use words like 'social institutions' and 'ideas' rather than 'culture'. The latter is too broad, whilst the former are more specific and more neutral in tone. "Some social institutions are better than others; some ideas are better than ideas."


Yes we both agree that fundamentally human hardware is not a factor.

The thing I find particular funny is the way their culture is elevated to what it simply isn't. 

Fish traps are described as aquaculture.
Trading with the guys over the hill is called export.


It mainly comes down to political correctness. Also, the indigenous peoples' lifestyle was unique in certain respects.


I can swallow a bit of PC for the sake of their empowerment, but the levels it gets to is just farcical.

Once I was in a national park getting a tour and talk from a ranger, and she showed us a replica of an Aboriginal water maker, a pile of stones on the top of a hill as a guide to water locations. Cool! But she added that Aboriginals had some of the most sophisticated water management systems.

I've been to Pont du Gard and Angkor Wat and the Colosseum , sorry but I'm just not impressed by a 100cm pile of stones.





In its own way, it could've been sophisticated. In other ways not. Some people may be impressed, others may not be. It all comes down to personal preferences. I think when it comes to 'comparing cultures' we should just keep an open mind and experience whatever the differences are.


Well it's likely that all cultures passed thru the stage that Aboriginals remained at perpetually, obviously not exactly the same but very similar. Despite what Brian would say, I actually don't disrespect Aboriginals or their culture, but I characterise it differently. To not do so is intellectually dishonest.


Yes, there are different degrees of complexity.
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Reply #322 - Mar 11th, 2017 at 4:20pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 11th, 2017 at 4:08pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 11th, 2017 at 3:59pm:
Brian, would you talk to someone like that in a pub?


Nope.  Would you?  Afterall, you're on record here insulting Muslim women, Muslim men, Muslim kids.  Tsk, tsk, look to your own backyard, I'd recommend, Gordon, before suggesting that I clean my own up first.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Yes, absolutely. Sure, I have my views on particular subjects yet I'm polite to the people I converse with here. Any points you actually try to make are lost because you carry on like a prize wanker in the delivery. Tsk, tsk.
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Reply #323 - Mar 11th, 2017 at 4:26pm
 
Auggie wrote on Mar 11th, 2017 at 4:20pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 11th, 2017 at 4:14pm:
Auggie wrote on Mar 11th, 2017 at 4:02pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 10th, 2017 at 6:41pm:
Auggie wrote on Mar 10th, 2017 at 5:54pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 10th, 2017 at 3:32pm:
Auggie wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 11:40pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 9:21pm:
Auggie wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 9:14pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 9:11pm:
Auggie wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 9:02pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 8:50pm:
Auggie wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 8:45pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 8:41pm:
Aboriginal culture is one of the least developed on earth.

Why is so hard to accept this while at the same time accepting they are people who deserve to have their hopes and dreams fulfilled and live with dignity like everyone else?  Why do we needs this ridiculous charade to pretend they are something they are not.


I agree that there are different levels of complexity. The Indigenous Peoples of Australia had less complex civilization than others. We must also recognize that the the culture has been continuous for around 40,000 years, which is something that other civilizations haven't achieved.


Because of isolation, which is now their downfall.
Cultures that mixed adapted and improved. 
The world would be a dull place if we'd never advanced further than that of aboriginals



Isolation played a role. The point that you need to understand is that there was nothing more that they could do. The conditions didn't exist for them to become more complex.


Yes, I accept their culture is a result of geography and environment. I don't view them as inferior humanoids but I view their culture as inferior.   


Inferior is the wrong word. That they were able to live sustainably for tens of thousand of years is in some sense superior. I would say that their culture is different. Put it this way, I would prefer indigenous culture to North Korean culture, or to some other cultures in the world.


No,  I'd characterise them as the most basic examples of human society.

All humans mastered their environments. The prehistoric Britons would have also known the use of every last plant and animal available to them. Just look at the incredible achievements of other cultures above survival,  then look at the aboriginals. Not inferior peole, inferior culture.


We pretty much agree on the same thing; I just think we differ on the semantics. I prefer to use words like 'social institutions' and 'ideas' rather than 'culture'. The latter is too broad, whilst the former are more specific and more neutral in tone. "Some social institutions are better than others; some ideas are better than ideas."


Yes we both agree that fundamentally human hardware is not a factor.

The thing I find particular funny is the way their culture is elevated to what it simply isn't. 

Fish traps are described as aquaculture.
Trading with the guys over the hill is called export.


It mainly comes down to political correctness. Also, the indigenous peoples' lifestyle was unique in certain respects.


I can swallow a bit of PC for the sake of their empowerment, but the levels it gets to is just farcical.

Once I was in a national park getting a tour and talk from a ranger, and she showed us a replica of an Aboriginal water maker, a pile of stones on the top of a hill as a guide to water locations. Cool! But she added that Aboriginals had some of the most sophisticated water management systems.

I've been to Pont du Gard and Angkor Wat and the Colosseum , sorry but I'm just not impressed by a 100cm pile of stones.





In its own way, it could've been sophisticated. In other ways not. Some people may be impressed, others may not be. It all comes down to personal preferences. I think when it comes to 'comparing cultures' we should just keep an open mind and experience whatever the differences are.


Well it's likely that all cultures passed thru the stage that Aboriginals remained at perpetually, obviously not exactly the same but very similar. Despite what Brian would say, I actually don't disrespect Aboriginals or their culture, but I characterise it differently. To not do so is intellectually dishonest.


Yes, there are different degrees of complexity.


So we can move forward.

My hope is that Aboriginals can keep enough of their culture as nod to their past yet be fully functioning in modern society with equality.

It's my opinion that could take a few hundred years as 50k years of doing things the same way, thinking the same way can't be changed overnight.
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Reply #324 - Mar 11th, 2017 at 4:31pm
 
Gordon wrote on Mar 11th, 2017 at 4:26pm:
Auggie wrote on Mar 11th, 2017 at 4:20pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 11th, 2017 at 4:14pm:
Auggie wrote on Mar 11th, 2017 at 4:02pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 10th, 2017 at 6:41pm:
Auggie wrote on Mar 10th, 2017 at 5:54pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 10th, 2017 at 3:32pm:
Auggie wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 11:40pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 9:21pm:
Auggie wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 9:14pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 9:11pm:
Auggie wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 9:02pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 8:50pm:
Auggie wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 8:45pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 8:41pm:
Aboriginal culture is one of the least developed on earth.

Why is so hard to accept this while at the same time accepting they are people who deserve to have their hopes and dreams fulfilled and live with dignity like everyone else?  Why do we needs this ridiculous charade to pretend they are something they are not.


I agree that there are different levels of complexity. The Indigenous Peoples of Australia had less complex civilization than others. We must also recognize that the the culture has been continuous for around 40,000 years, which is something that other civilizations haven't achieved.


Because of isolation, which is now their downfall.
Cultures that mixed adapted and improved. 
The world would be a dull place if we'd never advanced further than that of aboriginals



Isolation played a role. The point that you need to understand is that there was nothing more that they could do. The conditions didn't exist for them to become more complex.


Yes, I accept their culture is a result of geography and environment. I don't view them as inferior humanoids but I view their culture as inferior.   


Inferior is the wrong word. That they were able to live sustainably for tens of thousand of years is in some sense superior. I would say that their culture is different. Put it this way, I would prefer indigenous culture to North Korean culture, or to some other cultures in the world.


No,  I'd characterise them as the most basic examples of human society.

All humans mastered their environments. The prehistoric Britons would have also known the use of every last plant and animal available to them. Just look at the incredible achievements of other cultures above survival,  then look at the aboriginals. Not inferior peole, inferior culture.


We pretty much agree on the same thing; I just think we differ on the semantics. I prefer to use words like 'social institutions' and 'ideas' rather than 'culture'. The latter is too broad, whilst the former are more specific and more neutral in tone. "Some social institutions are better than others; some ideas are better than ideas."


Yes we both agree that fundamentally human hardware is not a factor.

The thing I find particular funny is the way their culture is elevated to what it simply isn't. 

Fish traps are described as aquaculture.
Trading with the guys over the hill is called export.


It mainly comes down to political correctness. Also, the indigenous peoples' lifestyle was unique in certain respects.


I can swallow a bit of PC for the sake of their empowerment, but the levels it gets to is just farcical.

Once I was in a national park getting a tour and talk from a ranger, and she showed us a replica of an Aboriginal water maker, a pile of stones on the top of a hill as a guide to water locations. Cool! But she added that Aboriginals had some of the most sophisticated water management systems.

I've been to Pont du Gard and Angkor Wat and the Colosseum , sorry but I'm just not impressed by a 100cm pile of stones.





In its own way, it could've been sophisticated. In other ways not. Some people may be impressed, others may not be. It all comes down to personal preferences. I think when it comes to 'comparing cultures' we should just keep an open mind and experience whatever the differences are.


Well it's likely that all cultures passed thru the stage that Aboriginals remained at perpetually, obviously not exactly the same but very similar. Despite what Brian would say, I actually don't disrespect Aboriginals or their culture, but I characterise it differently. To not do so is intellectually dishonest.


Yes, there are different degrees of complexity.


So we can move forward.

My hope is that Aboriginals can keep enough of their culture as nod to their past yet be fully functioning in modern society with equality.

It's my opinion that could take a few hundred years as 50k years of doing things the same way, thinking the same way can't be changed overnight.


That's right. Everyone who comes to Australia or who is of a different culture should assimilate, and the same goes for the Indigenous peoples of Australia. Of course, that DOESN'T mean (and I know that you're not saying this) that people should not retain their cultural heritage or be allowed to practice certain cultural rituals, but they should mainly assimilate.
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Reply #325 - Mar 11th, 2017 at 5:06pm
 
Gordon wrote on Mar 11th, 2017 at 4:20pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 11th, 2017 at 4:08pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 11th, 2017 at 3:59pm:
Brian, would you talk to someone like that in a pub?


Nope.  Would you?  Afterall, you're on record here insulting Muslim women, Muslim men, Muslim kids.  Tsk, tsk, look to your own backyard, I'd recommend, Gordon, before suggesting that I clean my own up first.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Yes, absolutely. Sure, I have my views on particular subjects yet I'm polite to the people I converse with here. Any points you actually try to make are lost because you carry on like a prize wanker in the delivery. Tsk, tsk.



The same could be said for you, Gordon.  You often deliberately choose inflammatory language it appears just to either please yourself or so you can get a rise out of people.  Who is intellectually dishonest in that case, I wonder?  Tsk, tsk.    Roll Eyes
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That's right. Everyone who comes to Australia or who is of a different culture should assimilate, and the same goes for the Indigenous peoples of Australia. Of course, that DOESN'T mean (and I know that you're not saying this) that people should not retain their cultural heritage or be allowed to practice certain cultural rituals, but t


Everybody who does come to Australia does "Assimilate", mate.   I get rather annoyed at this demand that people from different cultures must "assimilate".   Who determines if an individual has assimilated?  You or the person?   How do they or you measure the concept of "Assimilation"?   Do you have an "Assimilameter"?   It is a bullshit belief and a bullshit viewpoint put forward by those who read that so-and-so hasn't "assimilated" according to some fool who seems to think that as soon as a migrant steps off the steps of the flight/ship that they arrived on, they should be swearing like a Navvy and drinking booze like a piss-artist, dressing like a shearer and working like a Brickie's Labourer.    The world doesn't operate like that.  Time for some Australians to grow up.   People dress how they like, speak how they like and work as hard as they need to.  Some drink, some don't.   Life is tough like that.  We are a Multicultural, cosmopolitan society.   We should have learnt by now that people are as people are.    Some will dress like Australians and some will dress like South Seas Islanders.   As long as they respect and obey the law, as it is writ, then there shouldn't be any cause for complaint.

Now, run along and invent your "Assimilometer".  You'll make a fortune off PHONy members.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Auggie wrote on Mar 11th, 2017 at 4:31pm:
That's right. Everyone who comes to Australia or who is of a different culture should assimilate, and the same goes for the Indigenous peoples of Australia. Of course, that DOESN'T mean (and I know that you're not saying this) that people should not retain their cultural heritage or be allowed to practice certain cultural rituals, but t


Everybody who does come to Australia does "Assimilate", mate.   I get rather annoyed at this demand that people from different cultures must "assimilate".   Who determines if an individual has assimilated?  You or the person?   How do they or you measure the concept of "Assimilation"?   Do you have an "Assimilameter"?   It is a bullshit belief and a bullshit viewpoint put forward by those who read that so-and-so hasn't "assimilated" according to some fool who seems to think that as soon as a migrant steps off the steps of the flight/ship that they arrived on, they should be swearing like a Navvy and drinking booze like a piss-artist, dressing like a shearer and working like a Brickie's Labourer.    The world doesn't operate like that.  Time for some Australians to grow up.   People dress how they like, speak how they like and work as hard as they need to.  Some drink, some don't.   Life is tough like that.  We are a Multicultural, cosmopolitan society.   We should have learnt by now that people are as people are.    Some will dress like Australians and some will dress like South Seas Islanders.   As long as they respect and obey the law, as it is writ, then there shouldn't be any cause for complaint.

Now, run along and invent your "Assimilometer".  You'll make a fortune off PHONy members.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


What I mean by 'assimilation' is 'integration.' One of the largest failures in Europe is the development of 'pockets of isolated communities' which leads to social isolation. In my view, this isolation is worse for the individuals since they aren't fully capable of pursuing their freedoms.

Yes, absolutely. People are free to dress as they want, to practise any religion they want, and to believe whatever they want. Assimilation really comes down to 'obeying the law', and (preferably) respecting the institutions and values of the country in which they live. These values are: tolerance, freedom, individualism and the pursuit of happiness. There may be some communities (of all races, including white people) who don't respect our institutions: common law, parliamentary democracy, rule of law, federalism, etc. And whilst they are certainly entitled to not like them, it would only be doing them more harm than good, in my opinion.

I was also talking in the context of Indigenous Australians who are live in isolated communities. It's true that some of them may wish to live that way, and that's fine. Others may wish to integrate, or could integrate but don't have the opportunities to do so; and in that sense, the Government is at fault.
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Reply #328 - Mar 11th, 2017 at 6:30pm
 
Auggie wrote on Mar 11th, 2017 at 5:44pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 11th, 2017 at 5:13pm:
Auggie wrote on Mar 11th, 2017 at 4:31pm:
That's right. Everyone who comes to Australia or who is of a different culture should assimilate, and the same goes for the Indigenous peoples of Australia. Of course, that DOESN'T mean (and I know that you're not saying this) that people should not retain their cultural heritage or be allowed to practice certain cultural rituals, but t


Everybody who does come to Australia does "Assimilate", mate.   I get rather annoyed at this demand that people from different cultures must "assimilate".   Who determines if an individual has assimilated?  You or the person?   How do they or you measure the concept of "Assimilation"?   Do you have an "Assimilameter"?   It is a bullshit belief and a bullshit viewpoint put forward by those who read that so-and-so hasn't "assimilated" according to some fool who seems to think that as soon as a migrant steps off the steps of the flight/ship that they arrived on, they should be swearing like a Navvy and drinking booze like a piss-artist, dressing like a shearer and working like a Brickie's Labourer.    The world doesn't operate like that.  Time for some Australians to grow up.   People dress how they like, speak how they like and work as hard as they need to.  Some drink, some don't.   Life is tough like that.  We are a Multicultural, cosmopolitan society.   We should have learnt by now that people are as people are.    Some will dress like Australians and some will dress like South Seas Islanders.   As long as they respect and obey the law, as it is writ, then there shouldn't be any cause for complaint.

Now, run along and invent your "Assimilometer".  You'll make a fortune off PHONy members.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


What I mean by 'assimilation' is 'integration.' One of the largest failures in Europe is the development of 'pockets of isolated communities' which leads to social isolation. In my view, this isolation is worse for the individuals since they aren't fully capable of pursuing their freedoms.


Who's fault is that?  The Individuals or the society surrounding them.  Look at the Turks in Germany for example.  Generations of "guest workers" who could not become German citizens.  They were isolated by the German society in which they lived.   Yet, according to you, that is a failure on their part to "assimilate", oops, sorry, "integrate"?   Tsk, tsk, you seem to think that some societies allow "assimilation, oops, sorry, "integration"...   Roll Eyes

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Yes, absolutely. People are free to dress as they want, to practise any religion they want, and to believe whatever they want. Assimilation really comes down to 'obeying the law', and (preferably) respecting the institutions and values of the country in which they live. These values are: tolerance, freedom, individualism and the pursuit of happiness. There may be some communities (of all races, including white people) who don't respect our institutions: common law, parliamentary democracy, rule of law, federalism, etc. And whilst they are certainly entitled to not like them, it would only be doing them more harm than good, in my opinion.


When one considers that invariably, 15 years ago, the same people who are criticising Muslims today, were proposing exactly the same sort of attitudes they are criticising Muslims for having.   If anybody is failing to respect our institutions, it is the right-whingers who refuse to tolerate or accept that people have a right to be different if they so choose.

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No one is stopping the Indigenous Australians from "assimilating", oops, sorry, "integrating".  Indeed, the overwhelming majority of Indigenous Australians live in urban communities amongst white people quite happily, thank'ee very much.   They choose, often, to live on outstations.  White people complain that they are being treated differently to Indigenous Australians.  In reality, if they think that Indigenous Australians have an easy time of it, let them go and live on an outstation for a couple of months or years!   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #329 - Mar 11th, 2017 at 6:32pm
 
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rhino wrote on Mar 11th, 2017 at 12:50am:
Out of all the nig nogs in the world, the abos are the most primitive.


And you believe you're more sophisticated, Rhino?  Really?  You have got to be joking.  You leak hatred, racism, Xenophobia and Islamophobia from every pore.  Tsk. tsk.    Roll Eyes


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Gnads wrote on Mar 11th, 2017 at 8:07am:
mothra wrote on Mar 10th, 2017 at 3:36pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 10th, 2017 at 3:32pm:
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Gordon wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 9:21pm:
Auggie wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 9:14pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 9:11pm:
Auggie wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 9:02pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 8:50pm:
Auggie wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 8:45pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 8:41pm:
Aboriginal culture is one of the least developed on earth.

Why is so hard to accept this while at the same time accepting they are people who deserve to have their hopes and dreams fulfilled and live with dignity like everyone else?  Why do we needs this ridiculous charade to pretend they are something they are not.


I agree that there are different levels of complexity. The Indigenous Peoples of Australia had less complex civilization than others. We must also recognize that the the culture has been continuous for around 40,000 years, which is something that other civilizations haven't achieved.


Because of isolation, which is now their downfall.
Cultures that mixed adapted and improved. 
The world would be a dull place if we'd never advanced further than that of aboriginals



Isolation played a role. The point that you need to understand is that there was nothing more that they could do. The conditions didn't exist for them to become more complex.


Yes, I accept their culture is a result of geography and environment. I don't view them as inferior humanoids but I view their culture as inferior.   


Inferior is the wrong word. That they were able to live sustainably for tens of thousand of years is in some sense superior. I would say that their culture is different. Put it this way, I would prefer indigenous culture to North Korean culture, or to some other cultures in the world.


No,  I'd characterise them as the most basic examples of human society.

All humans mastered their environments. The prehistoric Britons would have also known the use of every last plant and animal available to them. Just look at the incredible achievements of other cultures above survival,  then look at the aboriginals. Not inferior peole, inferior culture.


We pretty much agree on the same thing; I just think we differ on the semantics. I prefer to use words like 'social institutions' and 'ideas' rather than 'culture'. The latter is too broad, whilst the former are more specific and more neutral in tone. "Some social institutions are better than others; some ideas are better than ideas."


Yes we both agree that fundamentally human hardware is not a factor.

The thing I find particular funny is the way their culture is elevated to what it simply isn't. 

Fish traps are described as aquaculture.
Trading with the guys over the hill is called export.


There was far ore to it than simply fish traps.

Don't stay ignorant you're whole life, Gordy.

http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/bushtelegraph/rethinking-indigenous...


No there isn't

Unlike us .... they only caught what they needed for a feed, that's why there was always plenty.

It was never in their culture to hoard/stash it away for a rainy day or supply it/export it( Grin Grin Grin) on a commercial basis.

The whole concept is delusional.


Is it?  So how did the Indigenous Australians trade?  Why bother?  If they "only catch what they need"?    Indigenous Australians traded significant trade goods significant distances across Australia, from tribe to tribe, Gnads.   Which, if you weren't a Racist, you'd know and understand.   According to you, all Indigenous Australians killed all other strangers as soon as they encountered them on their lands.   Wait a second, how can it be "their lands" when according to you, they didn't have any concept of ownership?  Ooops, caught out again...  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Complete fanciful BS.

What Aboriginals did was allow others into their territory for various reasons ... as in you can come here & eat our Pipis & oysters & fish or eels ... so we can go and eat your roos, wallabies, goannas & Bunya nuts.

Your paragraph above is full of assumptions & typical of your softc0ck BS spreading ilk.

You cannot lift a stone age culture out of the stone age/ history by making up bs.

And you just love making it up.

The fact that Aboriginals allowed Indonesians to fish & take Trepang in the far north doesn't mean they were traders or exporters ...in the true sense of the word.

And yes they attacked other tribal groups on their territory & it's also proven that they had no concept of ownership in the same concept we have.

You are a consummate bs artist & manipulator of the truth & or reality.

Just to suit your airy fairy feel good inception of history.

You should hand back your doctorate of Divinity.

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Complete fanciful BS.

What Aboriginals did was allow others into their territory for various reasons ... as in you can come here & eat our Pipis & oysters & fish or eels ... so we can go and eat your roos, wallabies, goannas & Bunya nuts.

Your paragraph above is full of assumptions & typical of your softc0ck BS spreading ilk.

You cannot lift a stone age culture out of the stone age/ history by making up bs.

And you just love making it up.

The fact that Aboriginals allowed Indonesians to fish & take Trepang in the far north doesn't mean they were traders or exporters ...in the true sense of the word.

And yes they attacked other tribal groups on their territory & it's also proven that they had no concept of ownership in the same concept we have.

You are a consummate bs artist & manipulator of the truth & or reality.

Just to suit your airy fairy feel good inception of history.

You should hand back your doctorate of Divinity.


Oh, poor, poor, Gnads. You really must get yourself an education or at least some knowledge.  Here is a start on Indigenous Australians and trade.   I suspect you won't even look at it 'cause it would shake your narrow-minded racist viewpoint.   Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Who's fault is that?  The Individuals or the society surrounding them.  Look at the Turks in Germany for example.  Generations of "guest workers" who could not become German citizens.  They were isolated by the German society in which they lived.   Yet, according to you, that is a failure on their part to "assimilate", oops, sorry, "integrate"?   Tsk, tsk, you seem to think that some societies allow "assimilation, oops, sorry, "integration"...   


Correct, it is the fault of the Governments of those countries. Hence why 'multiculturalism' has supposedly failed; but in actual fact the Government has failed.

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When one considers that invariably, 15 years ago, the same people who are criticising Muslims today, were proposing exactly the same sort of attitudes they are criticising Muslims for having.   If anybody is failing to respect our institutions, it is the right-whingers who refuse to tolerate or accept that people have a right to be different if they so choose.


Yes, I agree with that. The intolerance of the right is not in accordance with our institutions of inclusiveness.

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 11th, 2017 at 6:30pm:
No one is stopping the Indigenous Australians from "assimilating", oops, sorry, "integrating".  Indeed, the overwhelming majority of Indigenous Australians live in urban communities amongst white people quite happily, thank'ee very much.   They choose, often, to live on outstations.  White people complain that they are being treated differently to Indigenous Australians.  In reality, if they think that Indigenous Australians have an easy time of it, let them go and live on an outstation for a couple of months or years!   


No one is stopping them, although they have had and continue to have significant disadvantages in society, which has led to a degree of isolation.
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Reply #334 - Mar 11th, 2017 at 9:10pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 7th, 2017 at 11:14pm:
Frank wrote on Mar 7th, 2017 at 5:16pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 9:46pm:
Frank wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 8:55pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 5:55pm:
rhino wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 1:06am:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 12:10am:
rhino wrote on Mar 5th, 2017 at 11:39pm:
Middle eastern culture is abhorrent, and the religion they invented is part of their culture. Thats the reality.


You really shouldn't condemn Christianity like that, Rhino.   Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes

If Christianity was majority practised in the middle east they would have perverted it to their culture.


Christianity is a "Middle-Eastern religion", Rhino.   It is a product (at least initially) of the society in which it was founded - a Middle-Eastern one.   Palestine was in the Middle-East IIRC.   Tsk, tsk.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Don't be stupid Brian.


Are you claiming that Christianity isn't a Middle-Eastern religion, Soren?  Really?

http://www.ancient.eu/uploads/images/285.png


Yeah, really, you pompous buffoon.

Christianity is least practiced in the Middle East, its remaining practitioners are persecuted there more, in a more deadly fashion, than anywhere else. In any case, Christianity pre-dates the term Middle East by many, many centuries, you doctor of drongo.

What was your doctoral thesis on, Brian?


I don't have a Doctorate (PhD), Soren.   However, I do have a Doctor of Divinity.

And guess, what, we studied Christianity, extensively.

Guess also what?   Christianity originated in the Middle-East.  It is a religion that is representative of Middle-Eastern ideals and beliefs.  It's history until about ~300 CE was based primarily in, where?  Oh, the Middle-East of course.  Funny that.     Roll Eyes





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Thanks for that, 'revelation'.              Smiley



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.......[Christianity] is a religion that is representative of Middle-Eastern ideals and beliefs.




Brian,

Did they teach you at your School of Divinity......

That Jesus was a moslem prophet ?

That Jesus was not crucified [in fact he never died!] ?

And that Jesus ascended to heaven without ever dying ?

And that Jesus       HATES       Christians,       ....for choosing not to be moslems ?

[n.b.
the above, are all assertions about Jesus,       that are made by ISLAM and moslems.
and this information about Jesus life/person, has been gleaned from 'authoritative' ISLAMIC texts, principally, the 'inerrant' Koran.]




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Reply #335 - Mar 11th, 2017 at 9:45pm
 
Yadda wrote on Mar 11th, 2017 at 9:10pm:
Brian,

Did they teach you at your School of Divinity......

That, Jesus was a moslem prophet?

That Jesus was not crucified [in fact he never died!] ?

And that Jesus ascended to heaven without ever dying ?

And that Jesus       HATES       Christians,       ....for choosing not to be moslems ?

[n.b.
the above, are all assertions about Jesus,       that are made by ISLAM and moslems.
and this information about Jesus life/person, has been gleaned from 'authoritative' ISLAMIC texts, principally, the 'inerrant' Koran.]




No, they didn't, Yadda.   Jesus was the son of a Palestinian Jewish Carpenter who IMHO hit upon the idea of being the Son of God or something similar.   Perhaps the "Disciples" put him up to it or perhaps the founders of the Church thought it would be a good idea, Yadda.   Anyway, today we are faced with a massive series of organisational structures called "the Church" which appear like you to have forgotten or perhaps never understood what he spoke about.   Tsk, tsk, billions of believers and none of them think about what the Son of God taught them or act upon his teaching.

Religion is like arseholes, Yadda, everybody has one and they all use them.   Tsk, tsk.   Call yourself a Christian?  I'm more of a Christian than you and I don't even profess to being one.  Tsk, tsk.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #337 - Mar 12th, 2017 at 10:59am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 11th, 2017 at 9:45pm:
 Anyway, today we are faced with a massive series of organisational structures called "the Church" which appear like you to have forgotten or perhaps never understood what he spoke about.   Tsk, tsk, billions of believers and none of them think about what the Son of God taught them or act upon his teaching.

Religion is like arseholes, Yadda, everybody has one and they all use them.   Tsk, tsk.   Call yourself a Christian?  I'm more of a Christian than you and I don't even profess to being one.  Tsk, tsk.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



You hypocritical arsehole, Brian Ratbag. With Islam, everyone must be individually evaluated. With Christianity, generalisations are OK:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 11th, 2017 at 9:54pm:
 Attempting to classify a religo-political movement in that manner is pointless.   You have to examine each person and their views on their merits.
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Reply #338 - Mar 12th, 2017 at 11:04am
 
Frank wrote on Mar 12th, 2017 at 10:59am:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 11th, 2017 at 9:45pm:
 Anyway, today we are faced with a massive series of organisational structures called "the Church" which appear like you to have forgotten or perhaps never understood what he spoke about.   Tsk, tsk, billions of believers and none of them think about what the Son of God taught them or act upon his teaching.

Religion is like arseholes, Yadda, everybody has one and they all use them.   Tsk, tsk.   Call yourself a Christian?  I'm more of a Christian than you and I don't even profess to being one.  Tsk, tsk.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



You hypocritical arsehole, Brian Ratbag. With Islam, everyone must be individually evaluated. With Christianity, generalisations are OK:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 11th, 2017 at 9:54pm:
 Attempting to classify a religo-political movement in that manner is pointless.   You have to examine each person and their views on their merits.


Everyone must be assessed individually regardless of their religion or race.
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Reply #339 - Mar 12th, 2017 at 11:07am
 
Frank wrote on Mar 12th, 2017 at 10:59am:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 11th, 2017 at 9:45pm:
 Anyway, today we are faced with a massive series of organisational structures called "the Church" which appear like you to have forgotten or perhaps never understood what he spoke about.   Tsk, tsk, billions of believers and none of them think about what the Son of God taught them or act upon his teaching.

Religion is like arseholes, Yadda, everybody has one and they all use them.   Tsk, tsk.   Call yourself a Christian?  I'm more of a Christian than you and I don't even profess to being one.  Tsk, tsk.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



You hypocritical arsehole, Brian Ratbag. With Islam, everyone must be individually evaluated. With Christianity, generalisations are OK:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 11th, 2017 at 9:54pm:
 Attempting to classify a religo-political movement in that manner is pointless.   You have to examine each person and their views on their merits.


Frank, no need to resort to such vulgarity. Please be civil.
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Reply #340 - Mar 12th, 2017 at 11:21am
 
Auggie wrote on Mar 12th, 2017 at 11:04am:
Frank wrote on Mar 12th, 2017 at 10:59am:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 11th, 2017 at 9:45pm:
 Anyway, today we are faced with a massive series of organisational structures called "the Church" which appear like you to have forgotten or perhaps never understood what he spoke about.   Tsk, tsk, billions of believers and none of them think about what the Son of God taught them or act upon his teaching.

Religion is like arseholes, Yadda, everybody has one and they all use them.   Tsk, tsk.   Call yourself a Christian?  I'm more of a Christian than you and I don't even profess to being one.  Tsk, tsk.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



You hypocritical arsehole, Brian Ratbag. With Islam, everyone must be individually evaluated. With Christianity, generalisations are OK:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 11th, 2017 at 9:54pm:
 Attempting to classify a religo-political movement in that manner is pointless.   You have to examine each person and their views on their merits.


Everyone must be assessed individually regardless of their religion or race.




What about religions, augcaesarustus ?

In todays complex interconnected world, must religions be assessed individually too ?

e.g.
Should the teachings and doctrines of individual religions/faiths be individually assessed ?


Or are ISLAM, and Christianity, and Hinduism, and Shintoism, and Buddhism, etc, to all be placed in the same basket' - 'OH, THAT IS JUST A RELIGION, JUST LIKE ANY OTHER 'RELIGION' ?



My opinion.....

Life is about making choices.

And life is about 'discrimination'.

Our life, living, forces us to make many choices every day.

ISLAM says that ultimately, we must choose ISLAM, or we will be 'righteously' murdered by its devotees.


That, is not a choice,      .....except the choice to live as a slave of an evil philosophy, OR, die.




augcaesarustus,

IMO, you are simply one more appeaser and dissembler.


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Reply #341 - Mar 12th, 2017 at 11:42am
 
Yadda wrote on Mar 12th, 2017 at 11:21am:
Auggie wrote on Mar 12th, 2017 at 11:04am:
Frank wrote on Mar 12th, 2017 at 10:59am:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 11th, 2017 at 9:45pm:
 Anyway, today we are faced with a massive series of organisational structures called "the Church" which appear like you to have forgotten or perhaps never understood what he spoke about.   Tsk, tsk, billions of believers and none of them think about what the Son of God taught them or act upon his teaching.

Religion is like arseholes, Yadda, everybody has one and they all use them.   Tsk, tsk.   Call yourself a Christian?  I'm more of a Christian than you and I don't even profess to being one.  Tsk, tsk.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



You hypocritical arsehole, Brian Ratbag. With Islam, everyone must be individually evaluated. With Christianity, generalisations are OK:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 11th, 2017 at 9:54pm:
 Attempting to classify a religo-political movement in that manner is pointless.   You have to examine each person and their views on their merits.


Everyone must be assessed individually regardless of their religion or race.




What about religions, augcaesarustus ?

In todays complex interconnected world, must religions be assessed individually too ?

e.g.
Should the teachings and doctrines of individual religions/faiths be individually assessed ?


Or are ISLAM, and Christianity, and Hinduism, and Shintoism, and Buddhism, etc, to all be placed in the same basket' - 'OH, THAT IS JUST A RELIGION, JUST LIKE ANY OTHER 'RELIGION' ?



My opinion.....

Life is about making choices.

And life is about 'discrimination'.

Our life, living, forces us to make many choices every day.

ISLAM says that ultimately, we must choose ISLAM, or we will be 'righteously' murdered by its devotees.


That, is not a choice,      .....except the choice to live as a slave of an evil philosophy, OR, die.




augcaesarustus,

IMO, you are simply one more appeaser and dissembler.




Religion is whatever one wants it be. I could dream of an old man talking to me and claim that I received a revelation from God and then start my own religion. The thing is I'm not that crazy or psychopathic to believe that of myself.

Religion no longer means anything. There are people who are christian who don't believe Jesus was divine. There are people who believe in Jesus but don't identify themselves as christians.

Religion is ultimately about power. A group of people say that A is X and use intimidation and fear of God to enforce it. It's brainwashing and manipulation.
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Oh, poor, poor, Gnads. You really must get yourself an education or at least some knowledge. 


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Reply #343 - Mar 12th, 2017 at 11:45am
 
Frank wrote on Mar 12th, 2017 at 11:42am:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 11th, 2017 at 7:44pm:
Oh, poor, poor, Gnads. You really must get yourself an education or at least some knowledge. 


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Reply #344 - Mar 12th, 2017 at 11:46am
 
Auggie wrote on Mar 12th, 2017 at 11:42am:
Religion is whatever one wants it be. I could dream of an old man talking to me and claim that I received a revelation from God and then start my own religion. The thing is I'm not that crazy or psychopathic to believe that of myself.

Religion no longer means anything. There are people who are christian who don't believe Jesus was divine. There are people who believe in Jesus but don't identify themselves as christians.

Religion is ultimately about power. A group of people say that A is X and use intimidation and fear of God to enforce it. It's brainwashing and manipulation.


Vacuous drivel.


By its very meaning and definition religion is what binds people together. It is not a private language each makes up as he goes.

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Reply #345 - Mar 12th, 2017 at 11:51am
 
Frank wrote on Mar 12th, 2017 at 11:46am:
Auggie wrote on Mar 12th, 2017 at 11:42am:
Religion is whatever one wants it be. I could dream of an old man talking to me and claim that I received a revelation from God and then start my own religion. The thing is I'm not that crazy or psychopathic to believe that of myself.

Religion no longer means anything. There are people who are christian who don't believe Jesus was divine. There are people who believe in Jesus but don't identify themselves as christians.

Religion is ultimately about power. A group of people say that A is X and use intimidation and fear of God to enforce it. It's brainwashing and manipulation.


Vacuous drivel.


By its very meaning and definition religion is what binds people together. It is not a private language each makes up as he goes.



True.

It is also true that there are so many diverse views within each religion. Sure they are connected in some way; they are also flexible and fluid.

With regard to Islam i just don't understand why not wearing a hijab derogates from submission to god?
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Reply #346 - Mar 12th, 2017 at 11:53am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 11th, 2017 at 7:44pm:
Gnads wrote on Mar 11th, 2017 at 6:47pm:
Complete fanciful BS.

What Aboriginals did was allow others into their territory for various reasons ... as in you can come here & eat our Pipis & oysters & fish or eels ... so we can go and eat your roos, wallabies, goannas & Bunya nuts.

Your paragraph above is full of assumptions & typical of your softc0ck BS spreading ilk.

You cannot lift a stone age culture out of the stone age/ history by making up bs.

And you just love making it up.

The fact that Aboriginals allowed Indonesians to fish & take Trepang in the far north doesn't mean they were traders or exporters ...in the true sense of the word.

And yes they attacked other tribal groups on their territory & it's also proven that they had no concept of ownership in the same concept we have.

You are a consummate bs artist & manipulator of the truth & or reality.

Just to suit your airy fairy feel good inception of history.

You should hand back your doctorate of Divinity.


Oh, poor, poor, Gnads. You really must get yourself an education or at least some knowledge.  Here is a start on Indigenous Australians and trade.   I suspect you won't even look at it 'cause it would shake your narrow-minded racist viewpoint.   Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


As I suspected your link is full of fanciful BS. Lots of may haves & could have & possibles.

Put together by whitey .... like the whole "dreaming" "dream time" thing is a white man invention.

Just like the Hindmarsh Island fiasco and the spurious "Stolen Generation".
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Reply #347 - Mar 12th, 2017 at 5:15pm
 
Gnads wrote on Mar 12th, 2017 at 11:53am:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 11th, 2017 at 7:44pm:
Gnads wrote on Mar 11th, 2017 at 6:47pm:
Complete fanciful BS.

What Aboriginals did was allow others into their territory for various reasons ... as in you can come here & eat our Pipis & oysters & fish or eels ... so we can go and eat your roos, wallabies, goannas & Bunya nuts.

Your paragraph above is full of assumptions & typical of your softc0ck BS spreading ilk.

You cannot lift a stone age culture out of the stone age/ history by making up bs.

And you just love making it up.

The fact that Aboriginals allowed Indonesians to fish & take Trepang in the far north doesn't mean they were traders or exporters ...in the true sense of the word.

And yes they attacked other tribal groups on their territory & it's also proven that they had no concept of ownership in the same concept we have.

You are a consummate bs artist & manipulator of the truth & or reality.

Just to suit your airy fairy feel good inception of history.

You should hand back your doctorate of Divinity.


Oh, poor, poor, Gnads. You really must get yourself an education or at least some knowledge.  Here is a start on Indigenous Australians and trade.   I suspect you won't even look at it 'cause it would shake your narrow-minded racist viewpoint.   Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


As I suspected your link is full of fanciful BS. Lots of may haves & could have & possibles.

Put together by whitey .... like the whole "dreaming" "dream time" thing is a white man invention.

Just like the Hindmarsh Island fiasco and the spurious "Stolen Generation".   


Oh, poor, poor, Gnads.  You refuse to acknowledge that people other than yourself might know a lot more about Indigenous Australians.   Tsk, tsk, your racism is showing and unless you stop it, you'll simply go blind.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #348 - Mar 12th, 2017 at 10:02pm
 
Frank wrote on Mar 12th, 2017 at 11:46am:
Auggie wrote on Mar 12th, 2017 at 11:42am:
Religion is whatever one wants it be. I could dream of an old man talking to me and claim that I received a revelation from God and then start my own religion. The thing is I'm not that crazy or psychopathic to believe that of myself.

Religion no longer means anything. There are people who are christian who don't believe Jesus was divine. There are people who believe in Jesus but don't identify themselves as christians.

Religion is ultimately about power. A group of people say that A is X and use intimidation and fear of God to enforce it. It's brainwashing and manipulation.


Vacuous drivel.


By its very meaning and definition religion is what binds people together. It is not a private language each makes up as he goes.



It's also what drives people apart.

"My god is better than your god"

It even creates divisions in those members of the same religion, Sunni and Shiite, Catholic and Protestant.

At the end of the day religion was invented because our ancestors didn't understand thunder.

The so called big three religions are doomsday cults. It's time we moved on from it.
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Reply #349 - Mar 12th, 2017 at 10:04pm
 
Raven wrote on Mar 12th, 2017 at 10:02pm:
Frank wrote on Mar 12th, 2017 at 11:46am:
Auggie wrote on Mar 12th, 2017 at 11:42am:
Religion is whatever one wants it be. I could dream of an old man talking to me and claim that I received a revelation from God and then start my own religion. The thing is I'm not that crazy or psychopathic to believe that of myself.

Religion no longer means anything. There are people who are christian who don't believe Jesus was divine. There are people who believe in Jesus but don't identify themselves as christians.

Religion is ultimately about power. A group of people say that A is X and use intimidation and fear of God to enforce it. It's brainwashing and manipulation.


Vacuous drivel.


By its very meaning and definition religion is what binds people together. It is not a private language each makes up as he goes.



It's also what drives people apart.

"My god is better than your god"

It even creates divisions in those members of the same religion, Sunni and Shiite, Catholic and Protestant.

At the end of the day religion was invented because our ancestors didn't understand thunder.

The so called big three religions are doomsday cults. It's time we moved on from it.


I think we ignore the Doomsday, and focus on 'feeding the poor, etc...'
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Reply #350 - Mar 12th, 2017 at 11:54pm
 
Raven wrote on Mar 12th, 2017 at 10:02pm:
Frank wrote on Mar 12th, 2017 at 11:46am:
Auggie wrote on Mar 12th, 2017 at 11:42am:
Religion is whatever one wants it be. I could dream of an old man talking to me and claim that I received a revelation from God and then start my own religion. The thing is I'm not that crazy or psychopathic to believe that of myself.

Religion no longer means anything. There are people who are christian who don't believe Jesus was divine. There are people who believe in Jesus but don't identify themselves as christians.

Religion is ultimately about power. A group of people say that A is X and use intimidation and fear of God to enforce it. It's brainwashing and manipulation.


Vacuous drivel.


By its very meaning and definition religion is what binds people together. It is not a private language each makes up as he goes.



It's also what drives people apart.

"My god is better than your god"

It even creates divisions in those members of the same religion, Sunni and Shiite, Catholic and Protestant.

At the end of the day religion was invented because our ancestors didn't understand thunder.

The so called big three religions are doomsday cults. It's time we moved on from it.


Yep, you got it.
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Reply #351 - Mar 12th, 2017 at 11:56pm
 
Auggie wrote on Mar 12th, 2017 at 10:04pm:
Raven wrote on Mar 12th, 2017 at 10:02pm:
Frank wrote on Mar 12th, 2017 at 11:46am:
Auggie wrote on Mar 12th, 2017 at 11:42am:
Religion is whatever one wants it be. I could dream of an old man talking to me and claim that I received a revelation from God and then start my own religion. The thing is I'm not that crazy or psychopathic to believe that of myself.

Religion no longer means anything. There are people who are christian who don't believe Jesus was divine. There are people who believe in Jesus but don't identify themselves as christians.

Religion is ultimately about power. A group of people say that A is X and use intimidation and fear of God to enforce it. It's brainwashing and manipulation.


Vacuous drivel.


By its very meaning and definition religion is what binds people together. It is not a private language each makes up as he goes.



It's also what drives people apart.

"My god is better than your god"

It even creates divisions in those members of the same religion, Sunni and Shiite, Catholic and Protestant.

At the end of the day religion was invented because our ancestors didn't understand thunder.

The so called big three religions are doomsday cults. It's time we moved on from it.


I think we ignore the Doomsday, and focus on 'feeding the poor, etc...'


Who is "we"? I do that and I don't have a religion or god.

Google rapture and end times if you are a christian.
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Reply #352 - Mar 13th, 2017 at 12:01am
 
Setanta wrote on Mar 12th, 2017 at 11:56pm:
Auggie wrote on Mar 12th, 2017 at 10:04pm:
Raven wrote on Mar 12th, 2017 at 10:02pm:
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Auggie wrote on Mar 12th, 2017 at 11:42am:
Religion is whatever one wants it be. I could dream of an old man talking to me and claim that I received a revelation from God and then start my own religion. The thing is I'm not that crazy or psychopathic to believe that of myself.

Religion no longer means anything. There are people who are christian who don't believe Jesus was divine. There are people who believe in Jesus but don't identify themselves as christians.

Religion is ultimately about power. A group of people say that A is X and use intimidation and fear of God to enforce it. It's brainwashing and manipulation.


Vacuous drivel.


By its very meaning and definition religion is what binds people together. It is not a private language each makes up as he goes.



It's also what drives people apart.

"My god is better than your god"

It even creates divisions in those members of the same religion, Sunni and Shiite, Catholic and Protestant.

At the end of the day religion was invented because our ancestors didn't understand thunder.

The so called big three religions are doomsday cults. It's time we moved on from it.


I think we ignore the Doomsday, and focus on 'feeding the poor, etc...'


Who is "we"? I do that and I don't have a religion or god.

Google rapture and end times if you are a christian.


Or Google Sir Bobby.
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Or Google Sir Bobby.


The end is nigh, I hope he forgives you! Grin
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Reply #354 - Mar 13th, 2017 at 12:10am
 
Setanta wrote on Mar 13th, 2017 at 12:03am:
Gordon wrote on Mar 13th, 2017 at 12:01am:
Or Google Sir Bobby.


The end is nigh, I hope he forgives you! Grin


I read an article by a neuro scientist who recons the mind is wired to believe in end times scenarios,  so now atheists have latched on global warming to fulfil the need.


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Reply #355 - Mar 13th, 2017 at 12:11am
 
Setanta wrote on Mar 13th, 2017 at 12:03am:
Gordon wrote on Mar 13th, 2017 at 12:01am:
Or Google Sir Bobby.


The end is nigh, I hope he forgives you! Grin


Yes Bobby gave Raven the same line

"You are ungodly Raven repent

The end is nigh"

The end has been nigh for thousands of years it's time to s.hit or get off the pot.
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Reply #356 - Mar 13th, 2017 at 12:15am
 
Gordon wrote on Mar 13th, 2017 at 12:10am:
Setanta wrote on Mar 13th, 2017 at 12:03am:
Gordon wrote on Mar 13th, 2017 at 12:01am:
Or Google Sir Bobby.


The end is nigh, I hope he forgives you! Grin


I read an article by a neuro scientist who recons the mind is wired to believe in end times scenarios,  so now atheists have latched on global warming to fulfil the need.





Raven believes that we latch on to end times scenarios because we know that sooner or later it is going to end.

At some point we will go extinct as a species.

In roughly 5 billion years the sun will expand and consume the planet.

We are going to end.
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Reply #357 - Mar 13th, 2017 at 12:23am
 
Gordon wrote on Mar 13th, 2017 at 12:10am:
Setanta wrote on Mar 13th, 2017 at 12:03am:
Gordon wrote on Mar 13th, 2017 at 12:01am:
Or Google Sir Bobby.


The end is nigh, I hope he forgives you! Grin


I read an article by a neuro scientist who recons the mind is wired to believe in end times scenarios,  so now atheists have latched on global warming to fulfil the need.



Damn! I'm an atheist!

I think many people are wired to believe, I don't know why. I live in the crystal healing and other shyte area of Au. As people give up other beliefs they take up others. Strange but true.

Aliens, crystals, chemtrails, on and on. I have no idea why I'm not affected but I've never felt any "spiritual" stuff. I was brought up a catholic, when to Catholic schools, all the right stuff to follow bullshit but it never rang with me. All my kids, my wife, although she did dabble in fundy Christianity for a while, are all atheists. The wife's parents too, a psychologist and a teacher of teachers. My parents believe there is some higher power, they're probably masons.

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Auggie wrote on Mar 12th, 2017 at 11:42am:
Yadda wrote on Mar 12th, 2017 at 11:21am:
Auggie wrote on Mar 12th, 2017 at 11:04am:
Frank wrote on Mar 12th, 2017 at 10:59am:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 11th, 2017 at 9:45pm:
 Anyway, today we are faced with a massive series of organisational structures called "the Church" which appear like you to have forgotten or perhaps never understood what he spoke about.   Tsk, tsk, billions of believers and none of them think about what the Son of God taught them or act upon his teaching.

Religion is like arseholes, Yadda, everybody has one and they all use them.   Tsk, tsk.   Call yourself a Christian?  I'm more of a Christian than you and I don't even profess to being one.  Tsk, tsk.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



You hypocritical arsehole, Brian Ratbag. With Islam, everyone must be individually evaluated. With Christianity, generalisations are OK:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 11th, 2017 at 9:54pm:
 Attempting to classify a religo-political movement in that manner is pointless.   You have to examine each person and their views on their merits.


Everyone must be assessed individually regardless of their religion or race.




What about religions, augcaesarustus ?

In todays complex interconnected world, must religions be assessed individually too ?

e.g.
Should the teachings and doctrines of individual religions/faiths be individually assessed ?


Or are ISLAM, and Christianity, and Hinduism, and Shintoism, and Buddhism, etc, to all be placed in the same basket' - 'OH, THAT IS JUST A RELIGION, JUST LIKE ANY OTHER 'RELIGION' ?



My opinion.....

Life is about making choices.

And life is about 'discrimination'.

Our life, living, forces us to make many choices every day.

ISLAM says that ultimately, we must choose ISLAM, or we will be 'righteously' murdered by its devotees.


That, is not a choice,      .....except the choice to live as a slave of an evil philosophy, OR, die.




augcaesarustus,

IMO, you are simply one more appeaser and dissembler.




Religion is whatever one wants it be. I could dream of an old man talking to me and claim that I received a revelation from God and then start my own religion. The thing is I'm not that crazy or psychopathic to believe that of myself.

Religion no longer means anything. There are people who are christian who don't believe Jesus was divine. There are people who believe in Jesus but don't identify themselves as christians.

Religion is ultimately about power. A group of people say that A is X and use intimidation and fear of God to enforce it. It's brainwashing and manipulation.


I  SO AGREE .
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Reply #359 - Mar 13th, 2017 at 2:49am
 
Setanta wrote on Mar 13th, 2017 at 12:23am:
Gordon wrote on Mar 13th, 2017 at 12:10am:
Setanta wrote on Mar 13th, 2017 at 12:03am:
Gordon wrote on Mar 13th, 2017 at 12:01am:
Or Google Sir Bobby.


The end is nigh, I hope he forgives you! Grin


I read an article by a neuro scientist who recons the mind is wired to believe in end times scenarios,  so now atheists have latched on global warming to fulfil the need.



Damn! I'm an atheist!

I think many people are wired to believe, I don't know why. I live in the crystal healing and other shyte area of Au. As people give up other beliefs they take up others. Strange but true.

Aliens, crystals, chemtrails, on and on. I have no idea why I'm not affected but I've never felt any "spiritual" stuff. I was brought up a catholic, when to Catholic schools, all the right stuff to follow bullshit but it never rang with me. All my kids, my wife, although she did dabble in fundy Christianity for a while, are all atheists. The wife's parents too, a psychologist and a teacher of teachers. My parents believe there is some higher power, they're probably masons.



I'm with you there Setanta, 
ços religion is the biggest scam of all.
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Brian Ross wrote on Mar 12th, 2017 at 5:15pm:
Gnads wrote on Mar 12th, 2017 at 11:53am:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 11th, 2017 at 7:44pm:
Gnads wrote on Mar 11th, 2017 at 6:47pm:
Complete fanciful BS.

What Aboriginals did was allow others into their territory for various reasons ... as in you can come here & eat our Pipis & oysters & fish or eels ... so we can go and eat your roos, wallabies, goannas & Bunya nuts.

Your paragraph above is full of assumptions & typical of your softc0ck BS spreading ilk.

You cannot lift a stone age culture out of the stone age/ history by making up bs.

And you just love making it up.

The fact that Aboriginals allowed Indonesians to fish & take Trepang in the far north doesn't mean they were traders or exporters ...in the true sense of the word.

And yes they attacked other tribal groups on their territory & it's also proven that they had no concept of ownership in the same concept we have.

You are a consummate bs artist & manipulator of the truth & or reality.

Just to suit your airy fairy feel good inception of history.

You should hand back your doctorate of Divinity.


Oh, poor, poor, Gnads. You really must get yourself an education or at least some knowledge.  Here is a start on Indigenous Australians and trade.   I suspect you won't even look at it 'cause it would shake your narrow-minded racist viewpoint.   Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


As I suspected your link is full of fanciful BS. Lots of may haves & could have & possibles.

Put together by whitey .... like the whole "dreaming" "dream time" thing is a white man invention.

Just like the Hindmarsh Island fiasco and the spurious "Stolen Generation".   


Oh, poor, poor, Gnads.  You refuse to acknowledge that people other than yourself might know a lot more about Indigenous Australians.   Tsk, tsk, your racism is showing and unless you stop it, you'll simply go blind.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


You mean those that were around to witness it? Grin

Or is it all assumption .. you know .. fanciful BS? Wink
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Reply #361 - Mar 13th, 2017 at 7:45am
 
Emma wrote on Mar 13th, 2017 at 2:49am:
Setanta wrote on Mar 13th, 2017 at 12:23am:
Gordon wrote on Mar 13th, 2017 at 12:10am:
Setanta wrote on Mar 13th, 2017 at 12:03am:
Gordon wrote on Mar 13th, 2017 at 12:01am:
Or Google Sir Bobby.


The end is nigh, I hope he forgives you! Grin


I read an article by a neuro scientist who recons the mind is wired to believe in end times scenarios,  so now atheists have latched on global warming to fulfil the need.



Damn! I'm an atheist!

I think many people are wired to believe, I don't know why. I live in the crystal healing and other shyte area of Au. As people give up other beliefs they take up others. Strange but true.

Aliens, crystals, chemtrails, on and on. I have no idea why I'm not affected but I've never felt any "spiritual" stuff. I was brought up a catholic, when to Catholic schools, all the right stuff to follow bullshit but it never rang with me. All my kids, my wife, although she did dabble in fundy Christianity for a while, are all atheists. The wife's parents too, a psychologist and a teacher of teachers. My parents believe there is some higher power, they're probably masons.



I'm with you there Setanta, 
ços religion is the biggest scam of all.


Can't argue with that.
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So we're extolling the virtues of Aboriginals because they managed to pick up bits of broken glass and realised they were sharp and they could cut things with them.


The glass shows that Aboriginal people were here and were utilising new materials, changing their technology, their technique of making artifacts


Hang on what, new materials? Oh yeah, new materials to Aboriginals Smiley

I'd be impressed if they found pieces of glass, ground them to precision, put them inside a didgeridoo and used their brand new high power telescope to discover a new moon of Jupiter.   Cheesy

Finding a piece of glass on the ground and using it to cut things, I'd be impressed if a bonobo did that. Not a human.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-02-21/artefacts-show-coexistence-between-aborigi...



Adapted and integrated Aborigines at Mardi Grass parade.
It will help them to survive.


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Setanta wrote on Mar 12th, 2017 at 11:56pm:
Auggie wrote on Mar 12th, 2017 at 10:04pm:
Raven wrote on Mar 12th, 2017 at 10:02pm:
Frank wrote on Mar 12th, 2017 at 11:46am:
Auggie wrote on Mar 12th, 2017 at 11:42am:
Religion is whatever one wants it be. I could dream of an old man talking to me and claim that I received a revelation from God and then start my own religion. The thing is I'm not that crazy or psychopathic to believe that of myself.

Religion no longer means anything. There are people who are christian who don't believe Jesus was divine. There are people who believe in Jesus but don't identify themselves as christians.

Religion is ultimately about power. A group of people say that A is X and use intimidation and fear of God to enforce it. It's brainwashing and manipulation.


Vacuous drivel.


By its very meaning and definition religion is what binds people together. It is not a private language each makes up as he goes.



It's also what drives people apart.

"My god is better than your god"

It even creates divisions in those members of the same religion, Sunni and Shiite, Catholic and Protestant.

At the end of the day religion was invented because our ancestors didn't understand thunder.

The so called big three religions are doomsday cults. It's time we moved on from it.


I think we ignore the Doomsday, and focus on 'feeding the poor, etc...'


Who is "we"? I do that and I don't have a religion or god.

Google rapture and end times if you are a christian.


I am a Christian, but believe in Full Preterism, which is the doctrine that the Second Coming has already happened.
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Religion is whatever one wants it be. I could dream of an old man talking to me and claim that I received a revelation from God and then start my own religion. The thing is I'm not that crazy or psychopathic to believe that of myself.


Perhaps. But are you skilled and versed enough to convince millions to follow you?

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Religion no longer means anything. There are people who are christian who don't believe Jesus was divine. There are people who believe in Jesus but don't identify themselves as christians.

Religion is ultimately about power. A group of people say that A is X and use intimidation and fear of God to enforce it. It's brainwashing and manipulation.


This is a very Marxist and Foucauldian critique of religion. It only works by, firstly, reducing everything to the material, and secondly, reducing everything to power and manipulation.
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It's also what drives people apart.

"My god is better than your god"

It even creates divisions in those members of the same religion, Sunni and Shiite, Catholic and Protestant.


Ideally, it's meant to bring everyone together under the banner of shared moral, values, and world outlook. Catholicism means 'universal'.

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At the end of the day religion was invented because our ancestors didn't understand thunder.

The so called big three religions are doomsday cults. It's time we moved on from it.


Prior to the growth of the sciences, from about the time of the Enlightenment, a metaphysics dominated almost every culture/civilisation. The sciences reduced everything to the material. Only by ignoring certain questions and phenomena does the metaphysical 'disappear'.   
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Perhaps. But are you skilled and versed enough to convince millions to follow you?


The question is: am I evil enough to establish a polygamous cult, and/or a cult where I get rich at the expense of my members? And the answer is no, I am not that evil.
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Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 13th, 2017 at 3:12pm:
Perhaps. But are you skilled and versed enough to convince millions to follow you?


The question is: am I evil enough to establish a polygamous cult, and/or a cult where I get rich at the expense of my members? And the answer is no, I am not that evil.


very pessimistic. what's evil about polygamy anyway?
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Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 13th, 2017 at 5:00pm:
Auggie wrote on Mar 13th, 2017 at 4:47pm:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 13th, 2017 at 3:12pm:
Perhaps. But are you skilled and versed enough to convince millions to follow you?


The question is: am I evil enough to establish a polygamous cult, and/or a cult where I get rich at the expense of my members? And the answer is no, I am not that evil.


very pessimistic. what's evil about polygamy anyway?


Polygamy is an institution that adversely affects women more than men. How is it not evil?
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Auggie wrote on Mar 12th, 2017 at 11:42am:
Religion is whatever one wants it be.


Religion no longer means anything.



Religion is ultimately about power.





Gawd, you are confused and at a complete loss. You believe any number of contradictory things, not to mention six impossibilities before breakfast.
Must be that trying to think in broken pig Latin.


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Auggie wrote on Mar 13th, 2017 at 5:02pm:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 13th, 2017 at 5:00pm:
Auggie wrote on Mar 13th, 2017 at 4:47pm:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 13th, 2017 at 3:12pm:
Perhaps. But are you skilled and versed enough to convince millions to follow you?


The question is: am I evil enough to establish a polygamous cult, and/or a cult where I get rich at the expense of my members? And the answer is no, I am not that evil.


very pessimistic. what's evil about polygamy anyway?


Polygamy is an institution that adversely affects women more than men. How is it not evil?


well, it assures women are looked after. probably means less prostitutes on the street as well.
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Gnads wrote on Mar 13th, 2017 at 7:41am:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 12th, 2017 at 5:15pm:
Gnads wrote on Mar 12th, 2017 at 11:53am:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 11th, 2017 at 7:44pm:
Gnads wrote on Mar 11th, 2017 at 6:47pm:
Complete fanciful BS.

What Aboriginals did was allow others into their territory for various reasons ... as in you can come here & eat our Pipis & oysters & fish or eels ... so we can go and eat your roos, wallabies, goannas & Bunya nuts.

Your paragraph above is full of assumptions & typical of your softc0ck BS spreading ilk.

You cannot lift a stone age culture out of the stone age/ history by making up bs.

And you just love making it up.

The fact that Aboriginals allowed Indonesians to fish & take Trepang in the far north doesn't mean they were traders or exporters ...in the true sense of the word.

And yes they attacked other tribal groups on their territory & it's also proven that they had no concept of ownership in the same concept we have.

You are a consummate bs artist & manipulator of the truth & or reality.

Just to suit your airy fairy feel good inception of history.

You should hand back your doctorate of Divinity.


Oh, poor, poor, Gnads. You really must get yourself an education or at least some knowledge.  Here is a start on Indigenous Australians and trade.   I suspect you won't even look at it 'cause it would shake your narrow-minded racist viewpoint.   Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


As I suspected your link is full of fanciful BS. Lots of may haves & could have & possibles.

Put together by whitey .... like the whole "dreaming" "dream time" thing is a white man invention.

Just like the Hindmarsh Island fiasco and the spurious "Stolen Generation".   


Oh, poor, poor, Gnads.  You refuse to acknowledge that people other than yourself might know a lot more about Indigenous Australians.   Tsk, tsk, your racism is showing and unless you stop it, you'll simply go blind.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


You mean those that were around to witness it? Grin

Or is it all assumption .. you know .. fanciful BS? Wink


We have the diaries and records of the early colonists, Gnads.  We have the findings of archaeological research, conducted by scientists.  We have what the Indigenous Australians themselves have told us.   You appear to want to discard all those sources, simply because they don't agree with your narrow-minded racist viewpoint.  Tsk, tsk, such ignorance, such dishonesty.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour.  Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Brian Ross wrote on Mar 13th, 2017 at 7:01pm:
Gnads wrote on Mar 13th, 2017 at 7:41am:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 12th, 2017 at 5:15pm:
Gnads wrote on Mar 12th, 2017 at 11:53am:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 11th, 2017 at 7:44pm:
Gnads wrote on Mar 11th, 2017 at 6:47pm:
Complete fanciful BS.

What Aboriginals did was allow others into their territory for various reasons ... as in you can come here & eat our Pipis & oysters & fish or eels ... so we can go and eat your roos, wallabies, goannas & Bunya nuts.

Your paragraph above is full of assumptions & typical of your softc0ck BS spreading ilk.

You cannot lift a stone age culture out of the stone age/ history by making up bs.

And you just love making it up.

The fact that Aboriginals allowed Indonesians to fish & take Trepang in the far north doesn't mean they were traders or exporters ...in the true sense of the word.

And yes they attacked other tribal groups on their territory & it's also proven that they had no concept of ownership in the same concept we have.

You are a consummate bs artist & manipulator of the truth & or reality.

Just to suit your airy fairy feel good inception of history.

You should hand back your doctorate of Divinity.


Oh, poor, poor, Gnads. You really must get yourself an education or at least some knowledge.  Here is a start on Indigenous Australians and trade.   I suspect you won't even look at it 'cause it would shake your narrow-minded racist viewpoint.   Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


As I suspected your link is full of fanciful BS. Lots of may haves & could have & possibles.

Put together by whitey .... like the whole "dreaming" "dream time" thing is a white man invention.

Just like the Hindmarsh Island fiasco and the spurious "Stolen Generation".   


Oh, poor, poor, Gnads.  You refuse to acknowledge that people other than yourself might know a lot more about Indigenous Australians.   Tsk, tsk, your racism is showing and unless you stop it, you'll simply go blind.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


You mean those that were around to witness it? Grin

Or is it all assumption .. you know .. fanciful BS? Wink


We have the diaries and records of the early colonists, Gnads.  We have the findings of archaeological research, conducted by scientists.  We have what the Indigenous Australians themselves have told us.   You appear to want to discard all those sources, simply because they don't agree with your narrow-minded racist viewpoint.  Tsk, tsk, such ignorance, such dishonesty.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Grin That's funny ... as you say there are diaries of early colonists....

any diaries from those Indigenous Australians that were around at the same time?
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Cave paintings (also known as "parietal art") are painted drawings on cave walls or ceilings, mainly of prehistoric origin, to some 40,000 years ago (around 38,000 BCE) in Eurasia. The exact purpose of the Paleolithic cave paintings is not known.


The paintings below are in the same time frame as those of our indigenous Australians.

Yet they are far more detailed.

Tsk tsk.

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Gnads wrote on Mar 13th, 2017 at 7:08pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 13th, 2017 at 7:01pm:
Gnads wrote on Mar 13th, 2017 at 7:41am:
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Gnads wrote on Mar 12th, 2017 at 11:53am:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 11th, 2017 at 7:44pm:
Gnads wrote on Mar 11th, 2017 at 6:47pm:
Complete fanciful BS.

What Aboriginals did was allow others into their territory for various reasons ... as in you can come here & eat our Pipis & oysters & fish or eels ... so we can go and eat your roos, wallabies, goannas & Bunya nuts.

Your paragraph above is full of assumptions & typical of your softc0ck BS spreading ilk.

You cannot lift a stone age culture out of the stone age/ history by making up bs.

And you just love making it up.

The fact that Aboriginals allowed Indonesians to fish & take Trepang in the far north doesn't mean they were traders or exporters ...in the true sense of the word.

And yes they attacked other tribal groups on their territory & it's also proven that they had no concept of ownership in the same concept we have.

You are a consummate bs artist & manipulator of the truth & or reality.

Just to suit your airy fairy feel good inception of history.

You should hand back your doctorate of Divinity.


Oh, poor, poor, Gnads. You really must get yourself an education or at least some knowledge.  Here is a start on Indigenous Australians and trade.   I suspect you won't even look at it 'cause it would shake your narrow-minded racist viewpoint.   Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


As I suspected your link is full of fanciful BS. Lots of may haves & could have & possibles.

Put together by whitey .... like the whole "dreaming" "dream time" thing is a white man invention.

Just like the Hindmarsh Island fiasco and the spurious "Stolen Generation".   


Oh, poor, poor, Gnads.  You refuse to acknowledge that people other than yourself might know a lot more about Indigenous Australians.   Tsk, tsk, your racism is showing and unless you stop it, you'll simply go blind.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


You mean those that were around to witness it? Grin

Or is it all assumption .. you know .. fanciful BS? Wink


We have the diaries and records of the early colonists, Gnads.  We have the findings of archaeological research, conducted by scientists.  We have what the Indigenous Australians themselves have told us.   You appear to want to discard all those sources, simply because they don't agree with your narrow-minded racist viewpoint.  Tsk, tsk, such ignorance, such dishonesty.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Grin That's funny ... as you say there are diaries of early colonists....

any diaries from those Indigenous Australians that were around at the same time?


Nope but the early Colonists painted a very different picture of what the Indigenous Australians were doing, how they were living and so on, compared to your narrow-minded view that  all Indigenous Australians were "nomads"...   Tsk, tsk, sorry, Gnads, you can't argue with what was written 200+ years ago, now can you (although I'm sure you will).
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Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour.  Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #376 - Mar 13th, 2017 at 7:31pm
 
Gnads wrote on Mar 13th, 2017 at 7:16pm:
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Cave paintings (also known as "parietal art") are painted drawings on cave walls or ceilings, mainly of prehistoric origin, to some 40,000 years ago (around 38,000 BCE) in Eurasia. The exact purpose of the Paleolithic cave paintings is not known.


The paintings below are in the same time frame as those of our indigenous Australians.

Yet they are far more detailed.

Tsk tsk.



Compare this portrait:

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To this portrait:

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To this portrait:

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All were painted at approximately the same time in Europe.  Funny about how different the styles are, isn't it?  Tsk, tsk.
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Reply #377 - Mar 13th, 2017 at 7:44pm
 
Not funny ....  much more advanced

than the BS you're intimating.

And no not the same time frame

none of those were done 40,000 years ago.
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Reply #378 - Mar 13th, 2017 at 8:43pm
 
Frank wrote on Mar 13th, 2017 at 5:09pm:
Auggie wrote on Mar 12th, 2017 at 11:42am:
Religion is whatever one wants it be.


Religion no longer means anything.



Religion is ultimately about power.





Gawd, you are confused and at a complete loss. You believe any number of contradictory things, not to mention six impossibilities before breakfast.
Must be that trying to think in broken pig Latin.




I'm still waiting for your exceedingly complex idea....
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Reply #379 - Mar 13th, 2017 at 9:55pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 13th, 2017 at 7:19pm:
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We have the diaries and records of the early colonists, Gnads.  We have the findings of archaeological research, conducted by scientists.  We have what the Indigenous Australians themselves have told us.   You appear to want to discard all those sources, simply because they don't agree with your narrow-minded racist viewpoint.  Tsk, tsk, such ignorance, such dishonesty.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Grin That's funny ... as you say there are diaries of early colonists....

any diaries from those Indigenous Australians that were around at the same time?
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Nope but the early Colonists painted a very different picture of what the Indigenous Australians were doing, how they were living and so on, compared to your narrow-minded view that  all Indigenous Australians were "nomads"...   Tsk, tsk, sorry, Gnads, you can't argue with what was written 200+ years ago, now can you (although I'm sure you will).  [/quote]This is just wishful thinking on the part of these Aboriginal "scholars"
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Reply #380 - Mar 13th, 2017 at 10:07pm
 
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Reply #381 - Mar 14th, 2017 at 8:27am
 
Right after they wiped out the previous race.

But we never hear of this genocide, do we?

Its all about KARMA.

Wipe out a race and you get wiped out in turn.
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Reply #382 - Mar 14th, 2017 at 8:48am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 13th, 2017 at 10:07pm:



So now you're saying they had sanitation?  Grin Grin

You get better by the day.

Keep making up & expounding the fanciful Bulldust.
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Reply #383 - Mar 14th, 2017 at 6:23pm
 
Gnads wrote on Mar 14th, 2017 at 8:48am:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 13th, 2017 at 10:07pm:



So now you're saying they had sanitation?  Grin Grin

You get better by the day.

Keep making up & expounding the fanciful Bulldust.


There was no evidence of underground cables or telephone cables either.

This leads me to the conclusion that they had mobile phone technology far sooner than the rest of the world.

Or

There are no roads

This leads me to conclude that they were using hovercraft

See, this game is easy
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Reply #384 - Mar 14th, 2017 at 6:45pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 13th, 2017 at 10:07pm:

"Connection" appears only in the title and then once as the explanation of not moving on once they carved out a territory. 'Stuck in the mud' is 'connected', too. Lack of curiosity and inventiveness are talked up as 'connctedness' = tendetious language.




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Reply #385 - Mar 15th, 2017 at 3:43am
 
You guys are ridiculous.
You are spinning a fallacious argument.

Australia , without modern technology,  (like since 1900 say) was and is incapable of providing the means to enable humans to survive in any really viable numbers in the European fashion.
Comparing Australia to Europe is comparing apples to oranges.
It does show your overall intelligence tho. Ever had your IQ tested as a child. ??
Reckon you ALL are around the high 90's.
Tongue.
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Reply #386 - Mar 15th, 2017 at 6:28pm
 
Emma wrote on Mar 15th, 2017 at 3:43am:
You guys are ridiculous.
You are spinning a fallacious argument.

Australia , without modern technology,  (like since 1900 say) was and is incapable of providing the means to enable humans to survive in any really viable numbers in the European fashion.
Comparing Australia to Europe is comparing apples to oranges.
It does show your overall intelligence tho. Ever had your IQ tested as a child. ??
Reckon you ALL are around the high 90's.
Tongue.


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I was tested 35 years ago.
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Reply #387 - Mar 15th, 2017 at 6:29pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 11th, 2017 at 5:06pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 11th, 2017 at 4:20pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 11th, 2017 at 4:08pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 11th, 2017 at 3:59pm:
Brian, would you talk to someone like that in a pub?


Nope.  Would you?  Afterall, you're on record here insulting Muslim women, Muslim men, Muslim kids.  Tsk, tsk, look to your own backyard, I'd recommend, Gordon, before suggesting that I clean my own up first.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Yes, absolutely. Sure, I have my views on particular subjects yet I'm polite to the people I converse with here. Any points you actually try to make are lost because you carry on like a prize wanker in the delivery. Tsk, tsk.



The same could be said for you, Gordon.  You often deliberately choose inflammatory language it appears just to either please yourself or so you can get a rise out of people.  Who is intellectually dishonest in that case, I wonder?  Tsk, tsk.    Roll Eyes


Don't be such a sensitive soft cork.
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Reply #388 - Mar 15th, 2017 at 7:20pm
 
Emma wrote on Mar 15th, 2017 at 3:43am:
You guys are ridiculous.
You are spinning a fallacious argument.

Australia , without modern technology,  (like since 1900 say) was and is incapable of providing the means to enable humans to survive in any really viable numbers in the European fashion.
Comparing Australia to Europe is comparing apples to oranges.
It does show your overall intelligence tho. Ever had your IQ tested as a child. ??
Reckon you ALL are around the high 90's.
Tongue.
140s, been confirmed a number of times.
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Reply #389 - Mar 18th, 2017 at 3:53am
 
I see you have NO REPLY to the main point of my post... which ISN'T about YOU.  Roll Eyes
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