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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: War on cats Reply #15 - Feb 19^th, 2017 at 7:53pm Jovial Monk wrote on Feb 19^th, 2017 at 6:32pm: We have to outlaw cats in Australia. No more cat breeding, any cat around has to be neutered. That way no more new cats become feral. THEN shoot all the feral cats you like! ^^^^ Suits me just fine.
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Reply #16 - Feb 19^th, 2017 at 7:55pm

Setanta wrote on Feb 19^th, 2017 at 7:43pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 19^th, 2017 at 7:41pm:

Hmmmmmm ......... ?

I'll leave that up to you Herb. Wink

Only a specific disease will get rid of them, like Myxomatosis or the cancer the Tassie Devils got.

Popping them off with guns just might account for 2% of them after five years of cowboys taking the government's coin.

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Reply #17 - Feb 19^th, 2017 at 7:55pm

Setanta wrote on Feb 19^th, 2017 at 7:51pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 19^th, 2017 at 7:40pm:

Setanta wrote on Feb 19^th, 2017 at 7:01pm:

Gordon wrote on Feb 19^th, 2017 at 6:20pm:

Gimme a .22 and 10000 rounds, would love to help

The federal government will unleash every weapon in its arsenal to wipe out 2 million feral cats – about a third of the population – and will provide $5 million to community groups to serve as foot soldiers in the battle.

It's a race to save about 124 species of native wildlife at risk of extinction from feral cats, which are notoriously hard to kill.

http://www.smh.com.au/national/war-on-feral-cats-australia-aims-to-cull-2-millio...

I'd also want an LED Maglight as it'd be best to hunt them when they hunt, night time, but yep, I'd be in that. Cats always became the target if I saw one when I used to do a bit of hunting.

Torches and spotlights are the old fashioned way of doing things you want a thermal scope for night hunting, take note of the footprints left by a cat on a tiled floor in total darkness, thermal scopes allow you to find everything night or day.

If the cats are less than 35 yards away a shotgun would be the first choice they can move pretty quick perhaps a rapid fire deadly lever action like the Adler would be suitable in case you miss with the first shot.

The .22lr is not really suitable unless they're around 50 yards away, CCI standard velocity ammo if sighted in at 50 yards will be 2.6 inches low at 75 yards and drop 7.6 inches at 100 yards so range estimation is crucial with the .22lr.

I carry a .243 Winchester with some 55gr projectiles for foxes and cats which is good for about 300 yards, I use 95 grain for pigs/dogs/goats, the .243 allows me to take a greater range of species I might come across.

This article says the .22lr is not suitable for cats because of the risk of non lethal wounding, we cannot upset those animal rights idiots.
pestsmart.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/CAT001_ground-shooting_web.pdf

Times have changed, OK, I'll have one of them rather than a Maglight.

Some feral cats get pretty big but a 243 is overkill, 65 grain hollow point minced them. Perhaps a .223 with 35 grain hollow point thin jacket.

Yes the .223 is suitable for cats yet not suitable for pigs and goats which is why I carry the .243

My 55gr loads for the .243 are around minimum load so muzzle velocity around 3500 fps which is around 300fps faster than my .223 shooting 55gr, best accuracy is around minimum load for the 55gr I can push them out to 4000 fps with max loads not as accurate and burns barrel out faster.

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Reply #18 - Feb 19^th, 2017 at 7:59pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 19^th, 2017 at 7:55pm:

Setanta wrote on Feb 19^th, 2017 at 7:43pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 19^th, 2017 at 7:41pm:

Hmmmmmm ......... ?

I'll leave that up to you Herb. Wink

Only a specific disease will get rid of them, like Myxomatosis or the cancer the Tassie Devils got.

They use 1080 to poison cats, it doesn't work very well it kills plenty of other species that take the baits, cats like to chase play with then kill their dinner.

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Reply #19 - Feb 19^th, 2017 at 8:01pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 19^th, 2017 at 7:55pm:

Yes the .223 is suitable for cats yet not suitable for pigs and goats which is why I carry the .243

My 55gr loads for the .243 are around minimum load so muzzle velocity around 3500 fps which is around 300fps faster than my .223 shooting 55gr, best accuracy is around minimum load for the 55gr I can push them out to 4000 fps with max loads not as accurate and burns barrel out faster.

I suppose if you are carrying one firearm for the widest range of use, the .243 is hard to beat. We don't really have any "big" animals here except buffalo up north.

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Reply #21 - Feb 19^th, 2017 at 8:03pm

Setanta wrote on Feb 19^th, 2017 at 8:01pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 19^th, 2017 at 7:55pm:

Yes the .223 is suitable for cats yet not suitable for pigs and goats which is why I carry the .243

My 55gr loads for the .243 are around minimum load so muzzle velocity around 3500 fps which is around 300fps faster than my .223 shooting 55gr, best accuracy is around minimum load for the 55gr I can push them out to 4000 fps with max loads not as accurate and burns barrel out faster.

I suppose if you are carrying one firearm for the widest range of use, the .243 is hard to beat.

If I am on foot I only carry one, if using a vehicle might have a few to choose from

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Baronvonrort Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17472 Gender:	Re: War on cats Reply #22 - Feb 19^th, 2017 at 8:09pm Gordon wrote on Feb 19^th, 2017 at 8:02pm: Looks like less than 50 yards which makes it ok, the .22lr has poor ballistic coefficient which means crosswinds blow it around a lot and it has heaps of bullet drop due to low velocity and gravity. Most of my shots are taken 75-250 yards so .22lr not suitable.
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Reply #23 - Feb 19^th, 2017 at 8:13pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 19^th, 2017 at 8:09pm:

Gordon wrote on Feb 19^th, 2017 at 8:02pm:

Looks like less than 50 yards which makes it ok, the .22lr has poor ballistic coefficient which means crosswinds blow it around a lot and it has heaps of bullet drop due to low velocity and gravity.

Most of my shots are taken 75-250 yards so .22lr not suitable.

I'm not a shooter, just a city boy who loves shooting but rarely gets the chance. Many years ago I spent 3 months out west and did a lot, mostly with a. 22 hornet. That sorts a cat out nicely.

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Reply #24 - Feb 19^th, 2017 at 8:15pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 19^th, 2017 at 8:09pm:

Gordon wrote on Feb 19^th, 2017 at 8:02pm:

Looks like less than 50 yards which makes it ok, the .22lr has poor ballistic coefficient which means crosswinds blow it around a lot and it has heaps of bullet drop due to low velocity and gravity.

Most of my shots are taken 75-250 yards so .22lr not suitable.

I used to use .22 stinger for rabbits. Lighter projectile but a bit quicker and less drop. 1600 fps.

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Reply #25 - Feb 19^th, 2017 at 8:25pm

Gordon wrote on Feb 19^th, 2017 at 8:13pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 19^th, 2017 at 8:09pm:

Gordon wrote on Feb 19^th, 2017 at 8:02pm:

Looks like less than 50 yards which makes it ok, the .22lr has poor ballistic coefficient which means crosswinds blow it around a lot and it has heaps of bullet drop due to low velocity and gravity.

Most of my shots are taken 75-250 yards so .22lr not suitable.

I'm not a shooter, just a city boy who loves shooting but rarely gets the chance. Many years ago I spent 3 months out west and did a lot, mostly with a. 22 hornet. That sorts a cat out nicely.

Move to Vic and join the police force! Grin

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Reply #26 - Feb 19^th, 2017 at 8:26pm

Setanta wrote on Feb 19^th, 2017 at 8:15pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 19^th, 2017 at 8:09pm:

Gordon wrote on Feb 19^th, 2017 at 8:02pm:

Looks like less than 50 yards which makes it ok, the .22lr has poor ballistic coefficient which means crosswinds blow it around a lot and it has heaps of bullet drop due to low velocity and gravity.

Most of my shots are taken 75-250 yards so .22lr not suitable.

I used to use .22 stinger for rabbits. Lighter projectile but a bit quicker and less drop. 1600 fps.

My Anshutz 1416 has better accuracy shooting RWS ammo.
Carrying a .22lr limits what I can take, the problem with the .22lr is longer range accuracy, it can kill much further than the accurate range.
The stinger has a slightly longer case it's not suitable for some .22's

I have some loads for the .223 with Trail Boss powder which drop velocity to around 1600fps which I limit to around 100 yards, the normal .223 loads are around 3200fps.

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Reply #27 - Feb 19^th, 2017 at 8:29pm

Setanta wrote on Feb 19^th, 2017 at 8:25pm:

Gordon wrote on Feb 19^th, 2017 at 8:13pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 19^th, 2017 at 8:09pm:

Gordon wrote on Feb 19^th, 2017 at 8:02pm:

Looks like less than 50 yards which makes it ok, the .22lr has poor ballistic coefficient which means crosswinds blow it around a lot and it has heaps of bullet drop due to low velocity and gravity.

Most of my shots are taken 75-250 yards so .22lr not suitable.

I'm not a shooter, just a city boy who loves shooting but rarely gets the chance. Many years ago I spent 3 months out west and did a lot, mostly with a. 22 hornet. That sorts a cat out nicely.

Move to Vic and join the police force! Grin

I'd prefer to join one of the Kurdish squads in Syria/Iraq. More interesting quarry.

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Reply #29 - Feb 19^th, 2017 at 8:31pm

Gordon wrote on Feb 19^th, 2017 at 8:13pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 19^th, 2017 at 8:09pm:

Gordon wrote on Feb 19^th, 2017 at 8:02pm:

Looks like less than 50 yards which makes it ok, the .22lr has poor ballistic coefficient which means crosswinds blow it around a lot and it has heaps of bullet drop due to low velocity and gravity.

Most of my shots are taken 75-250 yards so .22lr not suitable.

I'm not a shooter, just a city boy who loves shooting but rarely gets the chance. Many years ago I spent 3 months out west and did a lot, mostly with a. 22 hornet. That sorts a cat out nicely.

You have Anzac rifle range at Malabar which is not very far from where you live they just signed a new 50 year lease.

If going for a rimfire I would suggest a .22lr, the .22 hornet ammo would cost as much as cheap .223 ammo.

I would still choose a shotgun for cats at less than 35 yards.

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