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ABC - clever little trick, but is it ethical?
Feb 19^th, 2017 at 5:53pm

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-02-19/dan-vickerman-former-wallabies-star-dies-a...

So apparently this Rugby player who I've never heard of died today aged 37.

The reporting on this clearly indicates that the family is not willing to give any details about the death - including the cause.

And yet embedded within the article we see:

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If you or anyone you know needs help:

Lifeline on 13 11 14
Kids Helpline on 1800 551 800
MensLine Australia on 1300 789 978
Suicide Call Back Service on 1300 659 467
Beyond Blue on 1300 22 46 36
Headspace on 1800 650 890

It would seem that this strategically placed information service is the ABC's way of informing us the cause of death - while presumably they have been instructed not to report on it specifically. If this is the case - do you think this is ethical?

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 47480 At my desk.	Re: ABC - clever little trick, but is it ethical? Reply #2 - Feb 19^th, 2017 at 6:39pm The ABC may not know themselves. But the fans might be feeling sad about it. Also, the ads may be a reflection of your personal search history Gandalf.
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Re: ABC - clever little trick, but is it ethical?
Reply #3 - Feb 19^th, 2017 at 6:52pm

freediver wrote on Feb 19^th, 2017 at 6:39pm:

The ABC may not know themselves. But the fans might be feeling sad about it.

Also, the ads may be a reflection of your personal search history Gandalf.

Garbage, Effendi. Open the link, read, and you'll see it there (to the right of the article about half way down) for yourself.

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20023 Canberra Gender:	Re: ABC - clever little trick, but is it ethical? Reply #4 - Feb 20^th, 2017 at 6:28am freediver wrote on Feb 19^th, 2017 at 6:39pm: The ABC may not know themselves. But the fans might be feeling sad about it. Also, the ads may be a reflection of your personal search history Gandalf. if I had searched it on google maybe, but the ABC site doesn't host ads.
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Re: ABC - clever little trick, but is it ethical?
Reply #5 - Feb 20^th, 2017 at 9:34am

its a dilemma for everyone.. suicide is a tragedy I wouldnt wish it on anyone...

how or what any of these lifelines can do I do not know

the more we have the more things get worse..

I have heard from people who have terrible worry with a loved one yet on contacting the like of

Beyond Blue.. they really didnt help at all..

my son in law was directed to see a psychologist every 3 months when working for NSW police...once he was confronted with a very serious accident that seriously affected his well being not sleeping not eating...when he asked the psychologist for a referral she told him to get in touch with his own doctor..... Roll Eyes

.. thats right she couldnt refer him or even give meds....a total waste of time yet its compulsory...TO DO WHAT PRAY...just talk..... Roll Eyes

I guess so...but it sends the wrong impression...because its basically to cover the NSW police from being accused of not looking after the safety of its force... what a joke...

look at the list gandalf has put up for instance..... Roll Eyes

former Wallaby STAR .. aged 35..

Grant Hackett former world swimming champion/Olympian..age 36

there is a story there somewhere....

it needs to be talked about gandalf....not handing out telephone numbers..

oh well Ive done my bit... what more can we do!

when someone does call for help...

just what do they do???>

at age 35 you are in the prime of your life...... Cry

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Reply #6 - Feb 20^th, 2017 at 10:03am

Yes , i saw that.

fame and success are dangerous when they are not the result of having to grind it out and when they come too easily (i'm not saying this guy had it easy but it is NOT good if you get something without having to crawl thru the mud to get it).

we see this endlessly with child stars who get stuff too early...it leads (often) to drug problems, depression, diva behaviour etc.

when you have to really try and fail and try again and fail again and go thru the fire BEFORE you get success. that "journey" hardens you.
You can take it now.

And because you had to try many times before you successed, you know that you can now move to some other area and if you try hard enough the success will be repeatable.

always be thankful for obstacles and pain on your journey up the narrow road to success...learning to deal with them keeps you safe. and make sure you throw plenty of curve balls for your kids to overcome ..that will keep them safe.
Dont ever let the leftie luvvies try to be 'lawnmowers" clearing the path for your kids and keeping them in cotton wool. get down in the mud with your kids and teach them the power of "grinding it out to the bitter end "

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Reply #7 - Feb 20^th, 2017 at 10:08am

aquascoot wrote on Feb 20^th, 2017 at 10:03am:

Yes , i saw that.

fame and success are dangerous when they are not the result of having to grind it out and when they come too easily (i'm not saying this guy had it easy but it is NOT good if you get something without having to crawl thru the mud to get it).

we see this endlessly with child stars who get stuff too early...it leads (often) to drug problems, depression, diva behaviour etc.

when you have to really try and fail and try again and fail again and go thru the fire BEFORE you get success. that "journey" hardens you.
You can take it now.

And because you had to try many times before you successed, you know that you can now move to some other area and if you try hard enough the success will be repeatable.

always be thankful for obstacles and pain on your journey up the narrow road to success...learning to deal with them keeps you safe. and make sure you throw plenty of curve balls for your kids to overcome ..that will keep them safe.
Dont ever let the leftie luvvies try to be 'lawnmowers" clearing the path for your kids and keeping them in cotton wool. get down in the mud with your kids and teach them the power of "grinding it out to the bitter end "

Yes, you seem to know little about Vickerman

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Reply #8 - Feb 20^th, 2017 at 10:22am

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 19^th, 2017 at 5:53pm:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-02-19/dan-vickerman-former-wallabies-star-dies-a...

So apparently this Rugby player who I've never heard of died today aged 37.

The reporting on this clearly indicates that the family is not willing to give any details about the death - including the cause.

And yet embedded within the article we see:

Quote:

If you or anyone you know needs help:

Lifeline on 13 11 14
Kids Helpline on 1800 551 800
MensLine Australia on 1300 789 978
Suicide Call Back Service on 1300 659 467
Beyond Blue on 1300 22 46 36
Headspace on 1800 650 890

It would seem that this strategically placed information service is the ABC's way of informing us the cause of death - while presumably they have been instructed not to report on it specifically. If this is the case - do you think this is ethical?

I've never heard of him either.

All news sites that I've seen are adding things like "If you or somebody you know needs help, phone Lifeline on 13 11 14 or visit Lifeline.org.au."

It's certainly not just an ABC thing.

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Reply #9 - Feb 20^th, 2017 at 6:58pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 20^th, 2017 at 10:22am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 19^th, 2017 at 5:53pm:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-02-19/dan-vickerman-former-wallabies-star-dies-a...

So apparently this Rugby player who I've never heard of died today aged 37.

The reporting on this clearly indicates that the family is not willing to give any details about the death - including the cause.

And yet embedded within the article we see:

Quote:

If you or anyone you know needs help:

Lifeline on 13 11 14
Kids Helpline on 1800 551 800
MensLine Australia on 1300 789 978
Suicide Call Back Service on 1300 659 467
Beyond Blue on 1300 22 46 36
Headspace on 1800 650 890

It would seem that this strategically placed information service is the ABC's way of informing us the cause of death - while presumably they have been instructed not to report on it specifically. If this is the case - do you think this is ethical?

I've never heard of him either.

All news sites that I've seen are adding things like "If you or somebody you know needs help, phone Lifeline on 13 11 14 or visit Lifeline.org.au."

It's certainly not just an ABC thing.

There has to be some reason they are not reporting that it was suicide - presumably they have been requested not to by family. Of course they don't have to abide by the request - but seemingly they do - but then basically give it away with the lifeline stuff. Like some ethical loophole. It just seems to me a breach of trust.

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Re: ABC - clever little trick, but is it ethical?
Reply #10 - Feb 20^th, 2017 at 7:13pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 20^th, 2017 at 6:58pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 20^th, 2017 at 10:22am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 19^th, 2017 at 5:53pm:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-02-19/dan-vickerman-former-wallabies-star-dies-a...

So apparently this Rugby player who I've never heard of died today aged 37.

The reporting on this clearly indicates that the family is not willing to give any details about the death - including the cause.

And yet embedded within the article we see:

Quote:

If you or anyone you know needs help:

Lifeline on 13 11 14
Kids Helpline on 1800 551 800
MensLine Australia on 1300 789 978
Suicide Call Back Service on 1300 659 467
Beyond Blue on 1300 22 46 36
Headspace on 1800 650 890

It would seem that this strategically placed information service is the ABC's way of informing us the cause of death - while presumably they have been instructed not to report on it specifically. If this is the case - do you think this is ethical?

I've never heard of him either.

All news sites that I've seen are adding things like "If you or somebody you know needs help, phone Lifeline on 13 11 14 or visit Lifeline.org.au."

It's certainly not just an ABC thing.

There has to be some reason they are not reporting that it was suicide - presumably they have been requested not to by family. Of course they don't have to abide by the request - but seemingly they do - but then basically give it away with the lifeline stuff. Like some ethical loophole. It just seems to me a breach of trust.

HTH.

As a newsworthy event, we cover it when other elements of the story are
sufficiently newsworthy to justify coverage. In other words, we do not report on
an individual suicide just because it is a suicide. On the other hand, if it is
significant that a specific individual has died, then we would report it and not shy
away from the fact that it was suicide. The suicide of a celebrity should not be
romanticised or glamorised. If a particular suicide has other newsworthy
aspects to it such as major disruption to the broader community or a highly
visible event that caused broader impact and trauma, we would report it on that
basis.
https://edpols.abc.net.au/guidance/suicide-and-self-harm/

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Re: ABC - clever little trick, but is it ethical?
Reply #11 - Feb 20^th, 2017 at 7:42pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 20^th, 2017 at 6:58pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 20^th, 2017 at 10:22am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 19^th, 2017 at 5:53pm:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-02-19/dan-vickerman-former-wallabies-star-dies-a...

So apparently this Rugby player who I've never heard of died today aged 37.

The reporting on this clearly indicates that the family is not willing to give any details about the death - including the cause.

And yet embedded within the article we see:

Quote:

If you or anyone you know needs help:

Lifeline on 13 11 14
Kids Helpline on 1800 551 800
MensLine Australia on 1300 789 978
Suicide Call Back Service on 1300 659 467
Beyond Blue on 1300 22 46 36
Headspace on 1800 650 890

It would seem that this strategically placed information service is the ABC's way of informing us the cause of death - while presumably they have been instructed not to report on it specifically. If this is the case - do you think this is ethical?

I've never heard of him either.

All news sites that I've seen are adding things like "If you or somebody you know needs help, phone Lifeline on 13 11 14 or visit Lifeline.org.au."

It's certainly not just an ABC thing.

There has to be some reason they are not reporting that it was suicide -

To prevent copy-cat suicides.

Suicides are rarely reported as such these days.

It's always "there were no suspicious circumstances".

Sports fans having a hard time - marriage breakup, money problems, etc. - could look at him and say, "well, if it's good enough for him it's good enough for me".

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Reply #12 - Feb 21^st, 2017 at 7:20am

Don't blame us for your lack of knowledge of the Game they Play In Heaven..

...and cods, a psychologist is not a doctor - a doctor would be needed for referral, that's why your s-i-l was sent to his doctor. A Psychiatrist can give a referral since he/she is a doctor first, but the referral was most likely to a psychiatrist.

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Reply #13 - Feb 21^st, 2017 at 7:21am

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 20^th, 2017 at 7:42pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 20^th, 2017 at 6:58pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 20^th, 2017 at 10:22am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 19^th, 2017 at 5:53pm:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-02-19/dan-vickerman-former-wallabies-star-dies-a...

So apparently this Rugby player who I've never heard of died today aged 37.

The reporting on this clearly indicates that the family is not willing to give any details about the death - including the cause.

And yet embedded within the article we see:

Quote:

If you or anyone you know needs help:

Lifeline on 13 11 14
Kids Helpline on 1800 551 800
MensLine Australia on 1300 789 978
Suicide Call Back Service on 1300 659 467
Beyond Blue on 1300 22 46 36
Headspace on 1800 650 890

It would seem that this strategically placed information service is the ABC's way of informing us the cause of death - while presumably they have been instructed not to report on it specifically. If this is the case - do you think this is ethical?

I've never heard of him either.

All news sites that I've seen are adding things like "If you or somebody you know needs help, phone Lifeline on 13 11 14 or visit Lifeline.org.au."

It's certainly not just an ABC thing.

There has to be some reason they are not reporting that it was suicide -

To prevent copy-cat suicides.

Suicides are rarely reported as such these days.

It's always "there were no suspicious circumstances".

Sports fans having a hard time - marriage breakup, money problems, etc. - could look at him and say, "well, if it's good enough for him it's good enough for me".

Anyone with that mindset is clearly a Darwin Candidate..............

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