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Reply #30 - Sep 27^th, 2017 at 10:05pm

lee wrote on Sep 27^th, 2017 at 9:53pm:

So how much was due to climate change? What to believe a peer-reviewed paper or an opinion piece?

You do realise that your peer reviewed paper is talking about 2016 not 2017 don't you.

But it still has some interesting things to say

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While winter sea ice in the Arctic is declining so dramatically that ships can now navigate those waters without any icebreaker escort, the scene in the Southern Hemisphere is very different. Sea ice area around Antarctica has actually increased slightly in winter—that is, until last year.

Scientists predict Antarctica's ocean will be one of the last places on Earth to experience global warming. Eventually the Southern Ocean's surface will begin to warm, however, and then sea ice there will begin its more long-term decline.

Your peer reviewed article would seem to support global warming. Or are you just going to cherry pick bits out that support your agenda

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Reply #31 - Sep 27^th, 2017 at 10:41pm

The_Barnacle wrote on Sep 27^th, 2017 at 10:05pm:

You do realise that your peer reviewed paper is talking about 2016 not 2017 don't you.

yes. Did you think that the "melt" happened during winter 2017? Wink

The_Barnacle wrote on Sep 27^th, 2017 at 10:05pm:

Your peer reviewed article would seem to support global warming.

Of course. Now all you have to do is link it to ANTHROPOGENIC Global Warming.

You do know El Nino's are natural? NOT AGW.

Edit: BTW - Did you see the paper was published Aug 2017?

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Reply #32 - Sep 27^th, 2017 at 10:57pm

lee wrote on Sep 27^th, 2017 at 10:41pm:

The_Barnacle wrote on Sep 27^th, 2017 at 10:05pm:

You do realise that your peer reviewed paper is talking about 2016 not 2017 don't you.

yes. Did you think that the "melt" happened during winter 2017? Wink

Nice red herring lee. Using your old tactic of obfuscation. You know very well that the article is talking about spring 2016. A full year ago. It has no relation to spring 2017.

lee wrote on Sep 27^th, 2017 at 10:41pm:

Of course. Now all you have to do is link it to ANTHROPOGENIC Global Warming.

You do know El Nino's are natural? NOT AGW.

Anyone would think we had never had an el nino before. It finished over a year and a half ago lee. It's time to move on.

It's interesting though that you admit the globe is warming, yet you still accuse scientists of faking the temperature data and in other threads you claim it's not warming. That's why you are such a fraud lee, you are always flip flopping and changing your mind to suit your agenda.

Tell me this lee, if the earth is warming like you admit. Why would the scientists at Nasa, BOM and the Met office put their careers in jeopardy by faking temperature data? They wouldn't need to.

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Reply #33 - Sep 27^th, 2017 at 11:17pm

The_Barnacle wrote on Sep 27^th, 2017 at 10:57pm:

lee wrote on Sep 27^th, 2017 at 10:41pm:

The_Barnacle wrote on Sep 27^th, 2017 at 10:05pm:

You do realise that your peer reviewed paper is talking about 2016 not 2017 don't you.

yes. Did you think that the "melt" happened during winter 2017? Wink

Nice red herring lee. Using your old tactic of obfuscation. You know very well that the article is talking about spring 2016. A full year ago. It has no relation to spring 2017.

lee wrote on Sep 27^th, 2017 at 10:41pm:

Of course. Now all you have to do is link it to ANTHROPOGENIC Global Warming.

You do know El Nino's are natural? NOT AGW.

Anyone would think we had never had an el nino before. It finished over a year and a half ago lee. It's time to move on.

It's interesting though that you admit the globe is warming, yet you still accuse scientists of faking the temperature data and in other threads you claim it's not warming. That's why you are such a fraud lee, you are always flip flopping and changing your mind to suit your agenda.

Tell me this lee, if the earth is warming like you admit. Why would the scientists at Nasa, BOM and the Met office put their careers in jeopardy by faking temperature data? They wouldn't need to.

accuse scientists of faking the temperature data

this is a proven fact.

The scientists are paid to find evidence of global warming not
to be unbiased and impartial.

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Re: Arctic and Antarctic sea ice at record low
Reply #34 - Sep 27^th, 2017 at 11:20pm

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Re: Arctic and Antarctic sea ice at record low
Reply #35 - Sep 27^th, 2017 at 11:34pm

The_Barnacle wrote on Sep 27^th, 2017 at 10:57pm:

Nice red herring lee. Using your old tactic of obfuscation. You know very well that the article is talking about spring 2016. A full year ago. It has no relation to spring 2017.

Published Aug 2017. So out of date. Wink

The_Barnacle wrote on Sep 27^th, 2017 at 10:57pm:

Anyone would think we had never had an el nino before. It finished over a year and a half ago lee.

Strange they were complaining about the coral bleaching in April.

You do understand El Nino, ocean water temperature?

The_Barnacle wrote on Sep 27^th, 2017 at 10:57pm:

It's interesting though that you admit the globe is warming, yet you still accuse scientists of faking the temperature data and in other threads you claim it's not warming.

So which "data" are you talking about. Warming? or CO2 induce warming? Wink

The_Barnacle wrote on Sep 27^th, 2017 at 10:57pm:

Tell me this lee, if the earth is warming like you admit. Why would the scientists at Nasa, BOM and the Met office put their careers in jeopardy by faking temperature data? They wouldn't need to.

Never heard of "rate of change". People keep saing the late 20th century warming is faster than anywhere else.

So tell me about BoM and homogenisation. You know the homogenisation that can't be replicated, therefore isn't science. It was world's best practice in 2015. It wasn't science then and it isn't science now.

Homogenisation on places up to 250km away. I know from experience two streets away can be different. Different microclimate, different elevation. Think suburban park and shopping centre car park as extremes. Wink

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Re: Arctic and Antarctic sea ice at record low
Reply #36 - Sep 27^th, 2017 at 11:40pm

Antarctic sea ice. Started about the bottom of two standard deviation, currently about 2 std dev.

The_Barnacle wrote on Sep 27^th, 2017 at 9:14pm:

Sea ice around Antarctica has shrunk about 2 million square kilometres in just three years,

I thought hey were only talking about 2017?

Did you truly think that Arctic ice or Antarctic ice should remain static? That it should only ever increase?

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Re: Arctic and Antarctic sea ice at record low
Reply #37 - Sep 27^th, 2017 at 11:55pm

I just replied to Jovial on his forum but I might as well post it here too:

Jovial,
in all sincerity -
you don't understand much about climate change.

You didn't understand the idea of an under-damped closed loop control system
which appears to be the way our climate works.
At least my background in engineering gives me more of an understanding.

How can I put it simply?

When you disturb an under-damped system it will oscillate before resting at it's final value.
The problem is that the climate is being constantly disturbed by:
the Sun
volcanoes
CO2
galactic cosmic rays
and maybe many other variables we know nothing about.

These oscillations hide the underlying data.

An even easier example for you is the Gulf stream -
where you try to warm part of the planet & it fights back
by stopping the gulf stream & causing an ice age in Europe.
That's an example of negative feedback.

A positive feedback would be warming the tundra in Siberia & releasing methane -
a much worse greenhouse gas than CO2.

The 31 page paper I posted the link for goes into a lot more detail and until
you can grasp that you're not in the starting line.

The climate has always been changing & it has led to extremes like the maunder minimum -
quite recent in global history.
Another Maunder minimum would be a climate catastrophe
with billions of people dying.

cheers
sir Bobby.

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FraudulentAFL Full Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 175 Gender:	Re: Arctic and Antarctic sea ice at record low Reply #38 - Sep 28^th, 2017 at 5:09pm https://sites.google.com/site/arctischepinguin/home/global-sea-ice
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16428 Gender:	Re: Arctic and Antarctic sea ice at record low Reply #39 - Sep 28^th, 2017 at 6:03pm FraudulentAFL wrote on Sep 28^th, 2017 at 5:09pm: https://sites.google.com/site/arctischepinguin/home/global-sea-ice Ooh 1978. Colour me unimpressed. Never mind Unforgiven. Nice try.
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FraudulentAFL Full Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 175 Gender:	Re: Arctic and Antarctic sea ice at record low Reply #40 - Sep 28^th, 2017 at 6:15pm lee wrote on Sep 28^th, 2017 at 6:03pm: FraudulentAFL wrote on Sep 28^th, 2017 at 5:09pm: https://sites.google.com/site/arctischepinguin/home/global-sea-ice Ooh 1978. Colour me unimpressed. Never mind Unforgiven. Nice try. You're a joke buddy!
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