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Reply #75 - Mar 12th, 2017 at 12:46pm
 
AugCaesarustus wrote on Mar 12th, 2017 at 12:09pm:
If you boot Brian off, you are only doing what you accused him of: stifling free speech and expression.


Free speech and expression comes with the risk of negative consequences as Brian is now finding out.

Yadda is not a confessed paedophile, or serial killer, or rapist, or arsonist, or escaped prisoner, or Muslim terrorist, and as such he deserves better than to be targeted by Brian Ross in the way he has.
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Reply #76 - Mar 12th, 2017 at 12:50pm
 
Frank wrote on Mar 12th, 2017 at 12:16pm:
AugCaesarustus wrote on Mar 12th, 2017 at 12:09pm:
If you boot Brian off, you are only doing what you accused him of: stifling free speech and expression.

Someone who threatens another on these boards with 18C and Timmie should be booted, on principle, as the enemy of free speech.


Mmm. Who does that sound like?

Stalin.... Hitler....
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Re: first 18c threat against OzPolitic
Reply #77 - Mar 12th, 2017 at 12:51pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 12th, 2017 at 12:46pm:
AugCaesarustus wrote on Mar 12th, 2017 at 12:09pm:
If you boot Brian off, you are only doing what you accused him of: stifling free speech and expression.


Free speech and expression comes with the risk of negative consequences as Brian is now finding out.

Yadda is not a confessed paedophile, or serial killer, or rapist, or arsonist, or escaped prisoner, or Muslim terrorist, and as such he deserves better than to be targeted by Brian Ross in the way he has.


If Brian has called him those things (which is unacceptable), then this would fall under 'defamation.' Obviously, Yadda has been defamed on this forum, which accounts for nothing really.
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Re: first 18c threat against OzPolitic
Reply #78 - Mar 12th, 2017 at 12:53pm
 
freediver wrote on Mar 12th, 2017 at 8:22am:
Frank wrote on Mar 11th, 2017 at 5:50pm:
RACIAL DISCRIMINATION ACT 1975 - SECT 18C

Offensive behaviour because of race, colour or national or ethnic origin
             (1)  It is unlawful for a person to do an act, otherwise than in private, if:

                     (a)  the act is reasonably likely, in all the circumstances, to offend, insult, humiliate or intimidate another person or a group of people; and

                     (b)  the act is done because of the race, colour or national or ethnic origin of the other person or of some or all of the people in the group.

Note:          Subsection (1) makes certain acts unlawful. Section 46P of the Australian Human Rights Commission Act 1986 allows people to make complaints to the Australian Human Rights Commission about unlawful acts. However, an unlawful act is not necessarily a criminal offence. Section 26 says that this Act does not make it an offence to do an act that is unlawful because of this Part, unless Part IV expressly says that the act is an offence.

             (2)  For the purposes of subsection (1), an act is taken not to be done in private if it:

                     (a)  causes words, sounds, images or writing to be communicated to the public; or

                     (b)  is done in a public place; or

                     (c)  is done in the sight or hearing of people who are in a public place.

             (3)  In this section:

"public place " includes any place to which the public have access as of right or by invitation, whether express or implied and whether or not a charge is made for admission to the place.


Section 18C does not render unlawful anything said or done reasonably and in good faith:

                     (a)  in the performance, exhibition or distribution of an artistic work; or

                     (b)  in the course of any statement, publication, discussion or debate made or held for any genuine academic, artistic or scientific purpose or any other genuine purpose in the public interest; or

                     (c)  in making or publishing:

                              (i)  a fair and accurate report of any event or matter of public interest; or

                             (ii)  a fair comment on any event or matter of public interest if the comment is an expression of a genuine belief held by the person making the comment.

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/rda1975202/s18c.html


That's reassuring. BTW, who gets to decide what is reasonable?



Timmie Jong-un, of course. For a third of a million dollars a year.
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Reply #79 - Mar 12th, 2017 at 12:57pm
 
AugCaesarustus wrote on Mar 12th, 2017 at 12:09pm:
If you boot Brian off, you are only doing what you accused him of: stifling free speech and expression.


I'd say it constitutes a direct threat to another member which is against the rules.
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Reply #80 - Mar 12th, 2017 at 12:57pm
 
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That's reassuring. BTW, who gets to decide what is reasonable?


A Court.
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Re: first 18c threat against OzPolitic
Reply #81 - Mar 12th, 2017 at 1:04pm
 
Gordon wrote on Mar 12th, 2017 at 12:57pm:
AugCaesarustus wrote on Mar 12th, 2017 at 12:09pm:
If you boot Brian off, you are only doing what you accused him of: stifling free speech and expression.


I'd say it constitutes a direct threat to another member which is against the rules.


It wasn't a physical threat and nothing has happened, and nothing will happen. If something happens, then we can decide what to do.
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Reply #82 - Mar 12th, 2017 at 1:08pm
 
The decision of the People's Court has reached a verdict.

61.5% to 23.1% in favour of exile to Devil's Island ~ The penal colony of Cayenne, commonly known as Devil's Island, was a famous prison of the 19th and 20th century off the coast of French Guiana.



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Reply #83 - Mar 12th, 2017 at 1:13pm
 
AugCaesarustus wrote on Mar 12th, 2017 at 1:04pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 12th, 2017 at 12:57pm:
AugCaesarustus wrote on Mar 12th, 2017 at 12:09pm:
If you boot Brian off, you are only doing what you accused him of: stifling free speech and expression.


I'd say it constitutes a direct threat to another member which is against the rules.


It wasn't a physical threat and nothing has happened, and nothing will happen. If something happens, then we can decide what to do.



So many people suffering from dyslexia here.

There was no threatening. Brian did not threaten anyone. He's totally innocent of having threatened anyone.

Jesus, give me strength O Lord.
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Reply #84 - Mar 12th, 2017 at 1:32pm
 
AugCaesarustus wrote on Mar 12th, 2017 at 1:04pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 12th, 2017 at 12:57pm:
AugCaesarustus wrote on Mar 12th, 2017 at 12:09pm:
If you boot Brian off, you are only doing what you accused him of: stifling free speech and expression.


I'd say it constitutes a direct threat to another member which is against the rules.


It wasn't a physical threat and nothing has happened, and nothing will happen. If something happens, then we can decide what to do.


There are rules against disclosing a forum members personal details.
Taking someone before the HRC would obviously result in such.

Threats should be treated as stated, and it's not for us to decide if the person making the threat is willing or able to fulfil them.
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Reply #85 - Mar 12th, 2017 at 1:33pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 12th, 2017 at 1:13pm:
AugCaesarustus wrote on Mar 12th, 2017 at 1:04pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 12th, 2017 at 12:57pm:
AugCaesarustus wrote on Mar 12th, 2017 at 12:09pm:
If you boot Brian off, you are only doing what you accused him of: stifling free speech and expression.


I'd say it constitutes a direct threat to another member which is against the rules.


It wasn't a physical threat and nothing has happened, and nothing will happen. If something happens, then we can decide what to do.



So many people suffering from dyslexia here.

There was no threatening. Brian did not threaten anyone. He's totally innocent of having threatened anyone.

Jesus, give me strength O Lord.


A threat is an intention not carried out. As far as anyone is concerned, Brian Ross has not reported anybody to the HRC. Has he actually carried it out?
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Re: first 18c threat against OzPolitic
Reply #86 - Mar 12th, 2017 at 1:34pm
 
Gordon wrote on Mar 12th, 2017 at 1:32pm:
AugCaesarustus wrote on Mar 12th, 2017 at 1:04pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 12th, 2017 at 12:57pm:
AugCaesarustus wrote on Mar 12th, 2017 at 12:09pm:
If you boot Brian off, you are only doing what you accused him of: stifling free speech and expression.


I'd say it constitutes a direct threat to another member which is against the rules.


It wasn't a physical threat and nothing has happened, and nothing will happen. If something happens, then we can decide what to do.


There are rules against disclosing a forum members personal details.
Taking someone before the HRC would obviously result in such.

Threats should be treated as stated, and it's not for us to decide if the person making the threat is willing or able to fulfil them.


Has he done it? No. Will he do it? No. Wait for a subpoena first.
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Reply #87 - Mar 12th, 2017 at 1:47pm
 
AugCaesarustus wrote on Mar 12th, 2017 at 1:33pm:
A threat is an intention not carried out.


Wrong.

A threat is a warning that certain actions will be undertaken should the target of grievance not henceforth desist and refrain from continuing in the same vein.

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Reply #88 - Mar 12th, 2017 at 2:02pm
 
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Has he done it? No. Will he do it? No.


How do you know this?
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Reply #89 - Mar 12th, 2017 at 2:22pm
 
freediver wrote on Mar 12th, 2017 at 2:02pm:
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Has he done it? No. Will he do it? No.


How do you know this?


Have you been contacted by Triggs' Mob, Effendi?
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