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Setanta Gold Member Offline \/ Peace man! Posts: 16953 Northern NSW Gender:	Re: New Law Lets Dads Veto Abortions Reply #150 - Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:33am mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:29am: Careful. You'll go blind. Wives tales!
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Reply #152 - Feb 4^th, 2017 at 3:05am

Abortions were made legal for a reason. All this ridiculous law is going to do is force women to go underground and put their lives at risk.

Most females if they don't want the baby will find a way to get rid of it. It's not as simple as making a law demanding she carry it to full term because other people want her to.

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Reply #153 - Feb 4^th, 2017 at 3:13am

mantra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 3:05am:

Abortions were made legal for a reason. All this ridiculous law is going to do is force women to go underground and put their lives at risk.

Most females if they don't want the baby will find a way to get rid of it. It's not as simple as making a law demanding she carry it to full term because other people want her to.

While I agree with you and your sentiment, perhaps if motherhood can be taken so slackly, fathers too should be taken off the hook. If women demand the right to their bodies, that should leave men out of the picture unless they choose to be there.

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Reply #154 - Feb 4^th, 2017 at 5:53am

Setanta wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 3:13am:

While I agree with you and your sentiment, perhaps if motherhood can be taken so slackly, fathers too should be taken off the hook. If women demand the right to their bodies, that should leave men out of the picture unless they choose to be there.

There are women who will want to get pregnant regardless of whether the male agrees, but it takes two to tango. Sexually active males if they don't want to be held accountable for their actions, should ensure that they've always got a fresh condom in their wallet.

Females should carry them too and insist that the male uses one.

Of course this would always happen in a perfect world, but in the meantime babies are often conceived thoughtlessly in a moment of passion.

Not all men are responsible - neither are all women, but termination is a better solution than bringing an unwanted baby into the world. There are too many of them already.

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Reply #155 - Feb 4^th, 2017 at 6:42am

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:23am:

Setanta wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:20am:

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:19am:

Setanta wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:18am:

0.0068% is not dangerous.

Are you seriously saying that pregnancy and childbirth are without complication?

What I am saying is that childbirth is not the danger to the mother your argument needs.
0.0068%

PREGNANCY and childbirth.

And i note you nver answered my earlier question.

Will the father be prepared to compensate the mother for the time she needs to take off work? For any employment opportunities or advancements that she may forgo by neding to takee time off work?

i must look at this from an entirely different angle..

if we do want equal rights,.. then we have to be prepared for the consequences of equal rights..

if the 'dad' wins the right to stop the abortion..then he must also take time off from work..to prepare the nest..he must also be prepared to be a fulltime dad...

we are talking about a Hillbilly Law here...and someone how I cant see many of them wanting to be a full time dad for about 18 years.....

time can never be compensated for.. its impossible.....

too many unwanted children are going to be born....

I dont give a stuff for the adults they should know better...

however dont we have enough unwanted unloved babies born already?..

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Reply #156 - Feb 4^th, 2017 at 7:03am

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:14am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:11am:

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:06am:

Setanta wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:04am:

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:01am:

Setanta wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:00am:

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 1:58am:

Setanta wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 1:56am:

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 1:54am:

That too.

Make up your mind! Catch 22 for men. Grin

No it's not. If men have sex, there is a likelihood that they will become fathers.

No catch 22.

Yes there is, the catch 22 is the woman's choice.

It' the woman's body. Of course it's her choice.

It's half the man's dna his choice.

Nope. Not until he can grow and birth his own babies.

Let me get this right.. if the DNA has nothing to do with it.... and accords no rights etc other than the right to pay....... why then is it a priority for the man to pay? I mean..... if his contribution is irrelevant to the process of birthing and the birthing is the ONLY aspect of the whole nine yards that counts ...... why does he have any responsibility?

Just asking.......... Lips Sealed

Just asking bullshit.

Who on earth said DNA wasn't important?

Thank you.

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Reply #157 - Feb 4^th, 2017 at 7:05am

mothra wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2017 at 11:25pm:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2017 at 11:22pm:

mothra wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2017 at 9:30pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2017 at 9:29pm:

mothra wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2017 at 9:26pm:

New Law Lets Dads Veto Abortions

About time.

Sp women have no sovereignty over their own bodies?

I am not supporting this law but I have always had an issue with their own bodies argument. In the vast majority of cases the woman was actively involved in the process creating life which results in a second life sharing space for a time with the woman. The is a second body that should have some rights to be considered as well and yes the fathers wishes should also hold some sway.

This law definitely goes much too far.

It's only the potential for life.

That is a popular BS excuse to justify ending it.

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Reply #158 - Feb 4^th, 2017 at 8:39am

mantra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 3:05am:

Abortions were made legal for a reason. All this ridiculous law is going to do is force women to go underground and put their lives at risk.

Most females if they don't want the baby will find a way to get rid of it. It's not as simple as making a law demanding she carry it to full term because other people want her to.

Abortions aren't legal - they are simply not illegal, Roe v Wade says so.

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Reply #159 - Feb 4^th, 2017 at 9:16am

No. I know nothing of the sort. The primary impact is on the woman. Even should she choose an abortion, that is a medical procedure with risks involved.

You can't force a woman to bear a child. It's absolutely inhumane.

Men can choose if they want to be a part of the child's life or not. Unless a woman puts the child up for adoption (in itself, incredibly hard) she has no choice.

Women wear the brunt of it. A man may only be asked to provide maintenance. Aside from that, he gets off scott free.

Nature dictates the terms. It i not an equal playing field.

That is quite an admission coming from a Femonazi

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Reply #160 - Feb 4^th, 2017 at 10:47am

mothra wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2017 at 9:30pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2017 at 9:29pm:

mothra wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2017 at 9:26pm:

New Law Lets Dads Veto Abortions

About time.

Sp women have no sovereignty over their own bodies?

A baby is not the woman's body. It's the baby's body inside the woman. A separate being created together with a man.

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Setanta Gold Member Offline \/ Peace man! Posts: 16953 Northern NSW Gender:	Re: New Law Lets Dads Veto Abortions Reply #161 - Feb 4^th, 2017 at 8:13pm I talked to the wife about it over dinner tonight, she agrees that if the father wants the baby, the mother should carry it.
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Reply #162 - Feb 4^th, 2017 at 8:21pm

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:12am:

Setanta wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:10am:

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:05am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:03am:

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:01am:

Setanta wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 2:00am:

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 1:58am:

Setanta wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 1:56am:

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 1:54am:

That too.

Make up your mind! Catch 22 for men. Grin

No it's not. If men have sex, there is a likelihood that they will become fathers.

No catch 22.

Yes there is, the catch 22 is the woman's choice.

It' the woman's body. Of course it's her choice.

And the man's body has nothing to do with it... I could have sworn there was this little hard extension that matched this orifice ... but that was just an accident of nature....

Can the man put his life and body on the line by going through 9 months of pregnancy and then childbirth and then everything that coms after?

No?

Then the scales are tipped.

By nature.

Everything that come after, yes, indeed. Childbirth is not that life threatening in Australia or the US. I gave you the AU numbers, yet you would feel compelled to cross how many roads a day without a thought, drive how many miles etc?

Death in childbirth is not a major factor in this debate.

I nearly died in both my childbirths. In the second pregnancy, i was told to get my affair in order.

It wsa a 21 week death watch.

The woman that had what i did before m died.

Don't you dare tell me its' easy.

How convenient for your arguement.

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Reply #164 - Feb 4^th, 2017 at 8:36pm

Frank wrote on Feb 4^th, 2017 at 10:47am:

mothra wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2017 at 9:30pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2017 at 9:29pm:

mothra wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2017 at 9:26pm:

New Law Lets Dads Veto Abortions

About time.

Sp women have no sovereignty over their own bodies?

A baby is not the woman's body. It's the baby's body inside the woman. A separate being created together with a man.

She will decide who stays in her cuntry and the circumstances in which they are allowed to stay.

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