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Reply #15 - Feb 3^rd, 2017 at 11:25pm

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mothra wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2017 at 9:26pm:

New Law Lets Dads Veto Abortions

About time.

Sp women have no sovereignty over their own bodies?

I am not supporting this law but I have always had an issue with their own bodies argument. In the vast majority of cases the woman was actively involved in the process creating life which results in a second life sharing space for a time with the woman. The is a second body that should have some rights to be considered as well and yes the fathers wishes should also hold some sway.

This law definitely goes much too far.

It's only the potential for life.

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Reply #16 - Feb 3^rd, 2017 at 11:26pm

Dnarever wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2017 at 11:22pm:

mothra wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2017 at 9:30pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2017 at 9:29pm:

mothra wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2017 at 9:26pm:

New Law Lets Dads Veto Abortions

About time.

Sp women have no sovereignty over their own bodies?

I am not supporting this law but I have always had an issue with their own bodies argument. In the vast majority of cases the woman was actively involved in the process creating life which results in a second life sharing space for a time with the woman. The is a second body that should have some rights to be considered as well and yes the fathers wishes should also hold some sway.

This law definitely goes much too far.

My eldest lost a child and me a grandchild to this kind women's selfishness. He's still devastated. He had no choice, if she had have kept it, he would still have no choice. Men have no choice. I think it a damned fine law.

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Re: New Law Lets Dads Veto Abortions
Reply #17 - Feb 3^rd, 2017 at 11:27pm

mothra wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2017 at 11:24pm:

Setanta wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2017 at 11:14pm:

mothra wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2017 at 11:07pm:

Setanta wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2017 at 11:01pm:

No cop outs Mothra. If the woman "chooses" to keep the child, it's forcing the man to pay and lose his own life. If the man "chooses" to want the child, it's forcing the woman to bear a child.

Women get abortions everyday because of the mental and emotion impact it will have on their lives. Men do not have that freedom to choose, they should. You know damned well it's a catch 22 for men.

No. I know nothing of the sort. The primary impact is on the woman. Even should she choose an abortion, that is a medical procedure with risks involved.

You can't force a woman to bear a child. It's absolutely inhumane.

Men can choose if they want to be a part of the child's life or not. Unless a woman puts the child up for adoption (in itself, incredibly hard) she has no choice.

Women wear the brunt of it. A man may only be asked to provide maintenance. Aside from that, he gets off scott free.

Nature dictates the terms. It i not an equal playing field.

So 9 months and the father takes the child or 18 years of maintenance and struggles to have access to that which you support. Sure the primary impact is on the woman doing what women are designed to do, the long lasting secondary impact is irrelevant?

A man may only be asked to provide maint? No they are forced to for 18 years. All men are asking in this is if they want the child you women are forced to hand it over after the birth. Only 9 months of work, paid for by the man.

No, the law dictates the terms. You father a child, no matter the circumstances, you will pay. A woman, if nature was the dictator, would carry the child whether she liked it or not.

What women are designed to do? Are you smacking kidding me? do you know how hard it is? How much it changes you? The lifelong effects? Only 9 months worth of work? Are you kidding me?

Tell me, is he going to support her hen she has to take time off of work? Is he going to compensate her for any advancement opportunities he may miss out on for taking time off of work?

As for struggling to get access, that's what the courts are for. I'll bet there; mor women not getting their properly allotted maintenance than there are men who cannot get access.

And no. Nature dictates the terms. It is not an equal playing field.

When men can have babies, they can force the issue.

Until then i propose a virtual abortion, for men to sign pre-coitus.

It's as fair as i can be.

You brought nature into it.

Have the baby, hand it over, go live your life. Simple 9 month contract. Wink

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Re: New Law Lets Dads Veto Abortions
Reply #18 - Feb 3^rd, 2017 at 11:27pm

Setanta wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2017 at 11:26pm:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2017 at 11:22pm:

mothra wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2017 at 9:30pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2017 at 9:29pm:

mothra wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2017 at 9:26pm:

New Law Lets Dads Veto Abortions

About time.

Sp women have no sovereignty over their own bodies?

I am not supporting this law but I have always had an issue with their own bodies argument. In the vast majority of cases the woman was actively involved in the process creating life which results in a second life sharing space for a time with the woman. The is a second body that should have some rights to be considered as well and yes the fathers wishes should also hold some sway.

This law definitely goes much too far.

My eldest lost a child and me a grandchild to this kind women's selfishness. He's still devastated. He had no choice, if she had have kept it, he would still have no choice. Men have no choice. I think it a damned fine law.

Selfishness? Because she didn't want to be a mother?

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Reply #19 - Feb 3^rd, 2017 at 11:28pm

Setanta wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2017 at 11:27pm:

mothra wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2017 at 11:24pm:

Setanta wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2017 at 11:14pm:

mothra wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2017 at 11:07pm:

Setanta wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2017 at 11:01pm:

No cop outs Mothra. If the woman "chooses" to keep the child, it's forcing the man to pay and lose his own life. If the man "chooses" to want the child, it's forcing the woman to bear a child.

Women get abortions everyday because of the mental and emotion impact it will have on their lives. Men do not have that freedom to choose, they should. You know damned well it's a catch 22 for men.

No. I know nothing of the sort. The primary impact is on the woman. Even should she choose an abortion, that is a medical procedure with risks involved.

You can't force a woman to bear a child. It's absolutely inhumane.

Men can choose if they want to be a part of the child's life or not. Unless a woman puts the child up for adoption (in itself, incredibly hard) she has no choice.

Women wear the brunt of it. A man may only be asked to provide maintenance. Aside from that, he gets off scott free.

Nature dictates the terms. It i not an equal playing field.

So 9 months and the father takes the child or 18 years of maintenance and struggles to have access to that which you support. Sure the primary impact is on the woman doing what women are designed to do, the long lasting secondary impact is irrelevant?

A man may only be asked to provide maint? No they are forced to for 18 years. All men are asking in this is if they want the child you women are forced to hand it over after the birth. Only 9 months of work, paid for by the man.

No, the law dictates the terms. You father a child, no matter the circumstances, you will pay. A woman, if nature was the dictator, would carry the child whether she liked it or not.

What women are designed to do? Are you smacking kidding me? do you know how hard it is? How much it changes you? The lifelong effects? Only 9 months worth of work? Are you kidding me?

Tell me, is he going to support her hen she has to take time off of work? Is he going to compensate her for any advancement opportunities he may miss out on for taking time off of work?

As for struggling to get access, that's what the courts are for. I'll bet there; mor women not getting their properly allotted maintenance than there are men who cannot get access.

And no. Nature dictates the terms. It is not an equal playing field.

When men can have babies, they can force the issue.

Until then i propose a virtual abortion, for men to sign pre-coitus.

It's as fair as i can be.

You brought nature into it.

Yes, but not ridiculously.

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Re: New Law Lets Dads Veto Abortions
Reply #20 - Feb 3^rd, 2017 at 11:30pm

mothra wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2017 at 11:27pm:

Setanta wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2017 at 11:26pm:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2017 at 11:22pm:

mothra wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2017 at 9:30pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2017 at 9:29pm:

mothra wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2017 at 9:26pm:

New Law Lets Dads Veto Abortions

About time.

Sp women have no sovereignty over their own bodies?

I am not supporting this law but I have always had an issue with their own bodies argument. In the vast majority of cases the woman was actively involved in the process creating life which results in a second life sharing space for a time with the woman. The is a second body that should have some rights to be considered as well and yes the fathers wishes should also hold some sway.

This law definitely goes much too far.

My eldest lost a child and me a grandchild to this kind women's selfishness. He's still devastated. He had no choice, if she had have kept it, he would still have no choice. Men have no choice. I think it a damned fine law.

Selfishness? Because she didn't want to be a mother?

She didn't have to be a "mother", just bear the child. You know there is a difference.

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Reply #21 - Feb 3^rd, 2017 at 11:30pm

Setanta wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2017 at 11:27pm:

mothra wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2017 at 11:24pm:

Setanta wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2017 at 11:14pm:

mothra wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2017 at 11:07pm:

Setanta wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2017 at 11:01pm:

No cop outs Mothra. If the woman "chooses" to keep the child, it's forcing the man to pay and lose his own life. If the man "chooses" to want the child, it's forcing the woman to bear a child.

Women get abortions everyday because of the mental and emotion impact it will have on their lives. Men do not have that freedom to choose, they should. You know damned well it's a catch 22 for men.

No. I know nothing of the sort. The primary impact is on the woman. Even should she choose an abortion, that is a medical procedure with risks involved.

You can't force a woman to bear a child. It's absolutely inhumane.

Men can choose if they want to be a part of the child's life or not. Unless a woman puts the child up for adoption (in itself, incredibly hard) she has no choice.

Women wear the brunt of it. A man may only be asked to provide maintenance. Aside from that, he gets off scott free.

Nature dictates the terms. It i not an equal playing field.

So 9 months and the father takes the child or 18 years of maintenance and struggles to have access to that which you support. Sure the primary impact is on the woman doing what women are designed to do, the long lasting secondary impact is irrelevant?

A man may only be asked to provide maint? No they are forced to for 18 years. All men are asking in this is if they want the child you women are forced to hand it over after the birth. Only 9 months of work, paid for by the man.

No, the law dictates the terms. You father a child, no matter the circumstances, you will pay. A woman, if nature was the dictator, would carry the child whether she liked it or not.

What women are designed to do? Are you smacking kidding me? do you know how hard it is? How much it changes you? The lifelong effects? Only 9 months worth of work? Are you kidding me?

Tell me, is he going to support her hen she has to take time off of work? Is he going to compensate her for any advancement opportunities he may miss out on for taking time off of work?

As for struggling to get access, that's what the courts are for. I'll bet there; mor women not getting their properly allotted maintenance than there are men who cannot get access.

And no. Nature dictates the terms. It is not an equal playing field.

When men can have babies, they can force the issue.

Until then i propose a virtual abortion, for men to sign pre-coitus.

It's as fair as i can be.

You brought nature into it.

Have the baby, hand it over, go live your life. Simple 9 month contract. Wink

Speaking about pregnancy and childbirth like a man with no idea what it entails.

Women are not incubators.

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Reply #22 - Feb 3^rd, 2017 at 11:32pm

Setanta wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2017 at 11:30pm:

mothra wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2017 at 11:27pm:

Setanta wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2017 at 11:26pm:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2017 at 11:22pm:

mothra wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2017 at 9:30pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2017 at 9:29pm:

mothra wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2017 at 9:26pm:

New Law Lets Dads Veto Abortions

About time.

Sp women have no sovereignty over their own bodies?

I am not supporting this law but I have always had an issue with their own bodies argument. In the vast majority of cases the woman was actively involved in the process creating life which results in a second life sharing space for a time with the woman. The is a second body that should have some rights to be considered as well and yes the fathers wishes should also hold some sway.

This law definitely goes much too far.

My eldest lost a child and me a grandchild to this kind women's selfishness. He's still devastated. He had no choice, if she had have kept it, he would still have no choice. Men have no choice. I think it a damned fine law.

Selfishness? Because she didn't want to be a mother?

She didn't have to be a "mother", just bear the child. You know there is a difference.

I'm afraid that makes her a mother. Much more so than your son being a sperm donor makes him a father.

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Setanta Gold Member Offline \/ Peace man! Posts: 16953 Northern NSW Gender:	Re: New Law Lets Dads Veto Abortions Reply #23 - Feb 3^rd, 2017 at 11:32pm mothra wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2017 at 11:28pm: Yes, but not ridiculously. Neither did I. Are women designed to bear children? Is it natural? Is that not what nature had in mind for them? Don't tell me they were for making sammiches.
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Setanta Gold Member Offline \/ Peace man! Posts: 16953 Northern NSW Gender:	Re: New Law Lets Dads Veto Abortions Reply #24 - Feb 3^rd, 2017 at 11:34pm mothra wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2017 at 11:32pm: I'm afraid that makes her a mother. Much more so than your son being a sperm donor makes him a father. It makes my son more of a father than she would ever be a mother. He wanted the child, that is a father, she didn't, that makes her... not a mother.
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Reply #25 - Feb 3^rd, 2017 at 11:34pm

Setanta wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2017 at 11:32pm:

mothra wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2017 at 11:28pm:

Yes, but not ridiculously.

Neither did I. Are women designed to bear children? Is it natural? Is that not what nature had in mind for them? Don't tell me they were for making sammiches.

Childbirth is but a small part of what we are "designed" for.

Using your argument, men are "designed" to be fathers ... yes?

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Reply #26 - Feb 3^rd, 2017 at 11:36pm

Setanta wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2017 at 11:34pm:

mothra wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2017 at 11:32pm:

I'm afraid that makes her a mother. Much more so than your son being a sperm donor makes him a father.

It makes my son more of a father than she would ever be a mother. He wanted the child, that is a father, she didn't, that makes her... not a mother.

She's not a mother anymore, but she was.

I'm sorry for your son but you can't force a woman to go through childbirth and pregnancy. You just can't.

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Reply #27 - Feb 3^rd, 2017 at 11:38pm

mothra wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2017 at 11:34pm:

Setanta wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2017 at 11:32pm:

mothra wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2017 at 11:28pm:

Yes, but not ridiculously.

Neither did I. Are women designed to bear children? Is it natural? Is that not what nature had in mind for them? Don't tell me they were for making sammiches.

Childbirth is but a small part of what we are "designed" for.

Using your argument, men are "designed" to be fathers ... yes?

Yes, men are designed to father children, that' why we have what you don't to reproduce, you females are designed to carry them for 9 months.

You also are designed to wash dishes, you have smaller feet so you can stand closer to the sink. Some of you make damned fine sammiches too but I'm not sure if that is designed or a by product of your design.
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Reply #28 - Feb 3^rd, 2017 at 11:40pm

Setanta wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2017 at 11:38pm:

mothra wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2017 at 11:34pm:

Setanta wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2017 at 11:32pm:

mothra wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2017 at 11:28pm:

Yes, but not ridiculously.

Neither did I. Are women designed to bear children? Is it natural? Is that not what nature had in mind for them? Don't tell me they were for making sammiches.

Childbirth is but a small part of what we are "designed" for.

Using your argument, men are "designed" to be fathers ... yes?

Yes, men are designed to father children, you females are designed to carry them for 9 months.

You also are designed to wash dishes, you have smaller feet so you can stand closer to the sink. Some of you make damned fine sammiches too but I'm not sure if that is designed or a by product of your design.
Wink

Tell m Setanta, what is a father's role?

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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 36060 Gender:	Re: New Law Lets Dads Veto Abortions Reply #29 - Feb 3^rd, 2017 at 11:41pm By natural law, i mean.
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