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A Little Domestic Violence
Jan 23rd, 2017 at 1:47pm
 
How Russia Decided to Allow a Little Domestic Violence


By Leonid Bershidsky

On Wednesday, the Russian parliament gave preliminary approval to a bill decriminalizing domestic violence. It's part of President Vladimir Putin's push for a return to traditional family values.

In the summer of 2016, Russia got its first law specifically directed at domestic violence. The parliament introduced the notion of "close ones" to Article 116 of the criminal code, which deals with battery. That group includes the suspect's children, spouse, parents, siblings and other relatives. Beating them without any consequences to their health became punishable with a jail term of up to two years. Many in Russia saw this as a necessary measure: according to women's rights activists, 10,000 Russian women a year die as a result of domestic violence. Official statistics say 40 percent of all serious violent crime takes place in the home.

But the purveyors of a traditionalist, conservative ideology that has become fashionable during Putin's third presidential term immediately started working to undermine the law. To them, it was an example of impermissible interference in family affairs.

On the surface, Russian traditionalists are practically libertarians. Their rallying cry is resisting juvenile justice, a concept introduced to Russia by the European Social Charter and the U.N. Convention on the Rights of a Child: They argue it destroys the concept of family by legitimizing government interference in the home. But their tolerance for domestic violence -- only in the mildest forms, they claim, the rare but necessary spank or slap -- is descended from a medieval literary work called Domostroi (Homebuilding), known in a 16th-century version edited by Ivan the Terrible's confessor. The book has a chapter on "how to teach children and save them with fear" that tells parents: "Do not weaken when hitting a babe: If you punish him with a staff, he shall not die but will be healthier since, by beating his body, you will save his soul from death." Another chapter instructing husbands on how properly to beat their wives: Never in anger, not on the face or chest, not with a stick -- and no kicking!

No one, of course, accepts those instructions as valid today. An official Russian Orthodox Church site carries an article saying Domostroi is not a canonical text and beating family members is not Christian behavior. But traditionalists say it's no biggie in moderation.

Arguing against the domestic violence law, Yelena Mizulina, the legislator responsible for Russia's laws against discussing homosexuality in the media, recalled a specific case. A 17-year-old girl frittered away some family cash put aside to pay off the mortgage. When her mother discovered it, she slapped the young woman, who then went to the police. Even after the mother and daughter patched it up, it was too late to roll back the prosecution, and now the mother risks losing custody of a younger child. Mizulina also argued the law unfairly punished a parent more harshly than a stranger for spanking a child.

Mizulina introduced legislation, but it did not become a priority until an intervention by the ultimate arbiter of family values in Russia: Vladimir Putin.

At his annual press conference in December, Putin perhaps all-too-conveniently received a question from a journalist representing a little-known site that specializes in bashing juvenile justice. Would the Russian leader to get rid of the law that "allows a father to be sent away for two years for spanking a child who deserves it, purely as a traditional Russian educational measure"?

Initially, Putin appeared to bristle. "Look, it's better not to spank children and not to cite any traditions as justification," he said. "There's too little distance between a spanking and a beating." But then he agreed with the reporter in the broadest of strokes that "unceremonious interference with the family is impermissible." He promised to check with the parliament why the law was still on the books and what was being done about it. Inside the room, there was applause. Less than three weeks later, the parliament passed an initial version of the decriminalization bill. Its passage is all but guaranteed, and a Change.org petition demanding a tougher law against domestic violence is likely to be ignored, though more than 174,000 Russians have already signed it.

In 2015, the German public-service broadcaster ZDF aired a documentary about Putin that cited a "Western intelligence dossier" that said Putin drank and beat his wife, Ludmila, during his service as a KGB officer in East Germany. The couple is now divorced, but Putin claims allegiance to traditional family values, with all the baggage that notion carries in Russia.

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Reply #1 - Jan 23rd, 2017 at 1:47pm
 
International experience proves that aggressive legislation against domestic violence tends to reduce its incidence. As a result of the legislative change, Russian rules will be among the most lax in Europe: The first reported instance of battery against a spouse or a child that doesn't result in injuries will only be punishable by a fine as an administrative transgression, although subsequent instances or heavy beatings will remain crimes.

The problem with that approach is that violence becomes permissible in small doses. Nothing will stop some "traditionalists" from getting carried away.

Putin's new conservative ideology is pushing Russia further and further away from the West and its values. To Putin, the decriminalization of domestic violence is just another step in the direction of ideological sovereignty. But it is actually backsliding into an earlier time, one that left women and children exposed to the whims of men with little or no repercussions.


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Reply #2 - Jan 23rd, 2017 at 3:25pm
 
domestic violence ... is it a "crime"?...

in some peoples minds screaming at someone is domestic violence..

if a wife hits her husband over the head with a frypan and he dies is it Domestic V. or manslaughter by D.V.  ..?

if a mum smacks little Alfie  is it Domestic.V..?

I think putin needs to decide what constitutes Domestic Violence in Russia....

after all the drinking over there is very excessive...and they probably still have ways they can  use alcohol as an excuse

as we did!  Roll Eyes not all that long ago..

I am not even sure our laws are well established...

what constitutes D.V.??

and what are the sentencing laws...

in all States... I hate this different LAW in every State crap...

their should not be a different set of rules for male and female....

when it comes to aggression....

she can be just as brutal

emotional abuse can be even worse...

well I  think.
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Funny, Mothra was on here the other day supporting the burqa??? Roll Eyes
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Reply #5 - Jan 23rd, 2017 at 8:40pm
 
no wonder boges and mechanic are such fans of Putin Roll Eyes
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Reply #6 - Jan 23rd, 2017 at 9:05pm
 
As usual, the argument comes down to what you define as 'domestic violence'.  Under our current totally lost in the darkness paradigm that it is all 'man v woman', and there is a zero standard of proof attached to getting a court order, which can then lead directly to an alleged 'criminal' offence if the original complainant complains again, by the same standard of proof that has crept into this insanity (and then begins to pervade into the criminal jurisprudence system) - and so on and so forth.

I can see why any rational government might want to review that situation and seek some more reliable and just approach to it.

Of course, we can exclude our governments at state and federal level from that definition - rational government - like so many other things, there is no way they are going to swallow their pride for stuffing up the discussion of GENUINE domestic violence and actually fix the monster they've created, nor are they going to let go of an opportunity to beat on Joe Public using the forces of law wrongfully.  To let go their grip on such an opportunity might mean the peasants will actually develop some personal power and then challenge government for its wrongs.  Roll Eyes
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Reply #7 - Jan 23rd, 2017 at 9:06pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 23rd, 2017 at 8:30pm:
Funny, Mothra was on here the other day supporting the burqa??? Roll Eyes


I support the bikini......


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Reply #8 - Jan 23rd, 2017 at 9:11pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 23rd, 2017 at 8:28pm:


Be some beauties in there, Greg - if a bloke witholds the credit card, that's DV - if the woman over-spends it out of spite - that's not DV.

If a woman slaps a bloke for no reason or throws a hot drink over him while in a tizz - that's not DV - if he follows his natural instincts and slaps here back or flings HIS hot drink over her - that's DV.

The ex's sister is a beauty - 'nobody ever stands over her' - butch as and stark crazy - once hit her much older husband over the head with a frying pan and knocked him out - he wasn't even facing her at the time, but was sitting at the table .... coward punch. Not DV, though - after all - if it can't paint the woman as the victim, it can't be DV... right?
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Reply #9 - Jan 23rd, 2017 at 9:26pm
 
Yes Grappler the hypocrisy of the whole system of definition stinks like a fish factory.

No pun intended  Wink
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