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Reply #255 - Jan 24th, 2017 at 1:02am
 
At c. 4000 cal BP there was a dramatic change with the appearance of permanent, focal coastal settlements resulting from highly organised, tightly scheduled, seasonal occupation by larger groups that stayed on the coast for longer periods. These groups utilised a broader range of shellfish species than previously while focusing on the mass collection and processing of one small, sessile species, Paphies angusta. These characteristics became more pronounced after c. 1500 cal BP. The direct historical approach is employed at the Lake Condah Outlet study area to investigate the archaeological manifestation of an ethnohistorically chronicled Aboriginal eel fishery. The late 19th century map and text, produced on the basis of first-hand observations plus information from traditional owners, provides invaluable information on the operation of a series of weirs, channels and traps as a water control and eel management system. Detailed archaeological mapping and recording of the still extant 19th century cultural features forms the basis for modelling the functioning of this system at varying lake levels, documenting the culture-based fishery form of eel aquaculture at the Lake Condah Outlet. This is the economic basis for transegalitarian features throughout SW Victoria in the ethnographic period and well into the pre-contact period. Three SW Victorian Aboriginal mortuary trees, from Moyston, Gorrinn and Cathcart, investigated using archaeological, ethnohistorical and physical anthropological data, are employed to evaluate the regional ethnographic model relating complexity in the staging of mortuary treatment to an individual’s status during their lifetime. Differential mortuary treatment of individuals of higher status is shown to be another transegalitarian feature of the ethnographic and archaeological records of SW Victoria. Criticism directed towards the Aboriginal ethnography of SW Victoria produced by James and Isabella Dawson is identified as originating in the late 19th century racist-motivated social evolutionary views of E.M. Curr, a poor recorder of Aboriginal culture. It is concluded that the Dawsons’ ethnography is an exemplary account of the Aboriginal societies of SW Victoria at the point of European contact, and the evidence therein regarding transegalitarian aspects of these societies is accurate. Transegalitarian traits in the ethnographic record of SW Victoria are identified and an assessment of the level of transegalitarian complexity discussed for several key variables, including population density, sedentism, land and resource ownership, production of economic surplus, leadership and government, marriage, polygyny and moieties, and meetings. It is concluded that the societies studied are moderately complex with the exceptionally strong leadership, verging on the highly complex, that is characteristic of societies with resource controlling corporate groups. Archaeological, ethnohistoric and anthropological evidence for transegalitarian complexity in SW Victorian Aboriginal societies are reviewed together in the concluding chapter. The initial appearances of transegalitarian features in the archaeological record are considered in a chronological sequence going back to c. 6600 cal BP, the earliest dated features of the Lake Condah Outlet aquacultural system. Significant settlement reorganisation related to increased land and resource ownership and sedentism is apparent in the establishment of large, focal coastal seasonal camps by c. 4000 cal BP. Later transegalitarian features such as the increasing rate of site establishment and use identified by Lourandos and Williams starting at c. 3000 cal BP, and the subsequent appearance and proliferation of constructed earth mound house platforms, now appear to be manifestations of later, well-developed stages of complexity in SW Victoria. The timing of the appearance and elaboration of transegalitarian features is considered in relation to palaeoenvironmental changes in SW Victoria and it is found that there is no correlation, either positive or negative. Instead, a case is made for social factors involving self-aggrandising individuals, manipulation of aquacultural food surpluses, competition for prestige through the hosting of great meetings, and the expansion of polygyny among higher-status men, as drivers of the appearance and elaboration of transegalitarian features in SW Victoria.


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Reply #256 - Jan 24th, 2017 at 1:04am
 
rhino wrote on Jan 24th, 2017 at 1:00am:
Strange though isnt it. You would think if they had stone houses then we would be finding them everywhere,  not just in 1 or 2 isolated regions. Particularly if they were trading with each other as claimed, because thats how these ideas evolve and get spread, through trade. And when europeans arrived the only structures aboriginals were found to be living in  were humpies. It just doesnt fit.



Availability of stone.

Did you rally need that pointed out to you?

Yes, i suspect you did.
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Reply #257 - Jan 24th, 2017 at 1:07am
 
stones pretty much available anywhere in australia. Animal hide is certainly available everywhere but they mostly didnt wear clothes.
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Reply #258 - Jan 24th, 2017 at 1:08am
 
rhino wrote on Jan 24th, 2017 at 1:07am:
stones pretty much available anywhere in australia. Animal hide is certainly available everywhere but they mostly didnt wear clothes.



LOL! No it's not.
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Reply #259 - Jan 24th, 2017 at 1:10am
 
What does clothing have to do with anything?

I know, i know, .... you're judgement.
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Reply #260 - Jan 24th, 2017 at 1:12am
 
lol yes it is.
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Reply #261 - Jan 24th, 2017 at 1:13am
 
rhino wrote on Jan 24th, 2017 at 1:12am:
lol yes it is.



I see you haven't traveled very far.

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Reply #262 - Jan 24th, 2017 at 1:13am
 
mothra wrote on Jan 24th, 2017 at 1:10am:
What does clothing have to do with anything?

I know, i know, .... you're judgement.
you think people who dont even have the technology for basic clothing are going to build sophisticated structures and farms?
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Reply #263 - Jan 24th, 2017 at 1:15am
 
rhino wrote on Jan 24th, 2017 at 1:13am:
mothra wrote on Jan 24th, 2017 at 1:10am:
What does clothing have to do with anything?

I know, i know, .... you're judgement.
you think people who dont even have the technology for basic clothing are going to build sophisticated structures and farms?




They didn't need clothes. They needed sophisticated aquaculture.

Oh, i did i mention agrigulture? Great seed savers, the First Australians.
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Reply #264 - Jan 24th, 2017 at 1:18am
 
mothra wrote on Jan 24th, 2017 at 1:13am:
rhino wrote on Jan 24th, 2017 at 1:12am:
lol yes it is.



I see you haven't traveled very far.

Aboriginals were using stone to grind seeds and other plant matter, they also used stone to make weapons and tools. There was and is no shortage of stone and i havent seen anyone except yourself advance this arguement. Theres stone basically everywhere in this country.
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Reply #265 - Jan 24th, 2017 at 1:19am
 
mothra wrote on Jan 24th, 2017 at 1:15am:
rhino wrote on Jan 24th, 2017 at 1:13am:
mothra wrote on Jan 24th, 2017 at 1:10am:
What does clothing have to do with anything?

I know, i know, .... you're judgement.
you think people who dont even have the technology for basic clothing are going to build sophisticated structures and farms?




They didn't need clothes. They needed sophisticated aquaculture.

Oh, i did i mention agrigulture? Great seed savers, the First Australians.
Clothes always come first in any advanced society.
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Reply #266 - Jan 24th, 2017 at 1:21am
 
rhino wrote on Jan 24th, 2017 at 1:18am:
mothra wrote on Jan 24th, 2017 at 1:13am:
rhino wrote on Jan 24th, 2017 at 1:12am:
lol yes it is.



I see you haven't traveled very far.

Aboriginals were using stone to grind seeds and other plant matter, they also used stone to make weapons and tools. There was and is no shortage of stone and i havent seen anyone except yourself advance this arguement. Theres stone basically everywhere in this country.




Not stone suitable for building.

None too bright, ar you?
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Reply #267 - Jan 24th, 2017 at 1:21am
 
rhino wrote on Jan 24th, 2017 at 1:19am:
mothra wrote on Jan 24th, 2017 at 1:15am:
rhino wrote on Jan 24th, 2017 at 1:13am:
mothra wrote on Jan 24th, 2017 at 1:10am:
What does clothing have to do with anything?

I know, i know, .... you're judgement.
you think people who dont even have the technology for basic clothing are going to build sophisticated structures and farms?




They didn't need clothes. They needed sophisticated aquaculture.

Oh, i did i mention agrigulture? Great seed savers, the First Australians.
Clothes always come first in any advanced society.



What has advanced got to do with anything?

And no ... fire does.
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Re: 9000yr old stone dwellings found
Reply #268 - Jan 24th, 2017 at 1:23am
 
rhino wrote on Jan 24th, 2017 at 1:19am:
mothra wrote on Jan 24th, 2017 at 1:15am:
rhino wrote on Jan 24th, 2017 at 1:13am:
mothra wrote on Jan 24th, 2017 at 1:10am:
What does clothing have to do with anything?

I know, i know, .... you're judgement.
you think people who dont even have the technology for basic clothing are going to build sophisticated structures and farms?




They didn't need clothes. They needed sophisticated aquaculture.

Oh, i did i mention agrigulture? Great seed savers, the First Australians.
Clothes always come first in any advanced society.




Just thought that bore repeating

Hilarious.
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Reply #269 - Jan 24th, 2017 at 1:24am
 
lol, what do you know about building? you just pulled that out of your arse. lol. stone is stone sweetheart, the first settlers had no issue building with stone they found lying around.
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