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Those That Can't Afford To Work For Free
Jan 20th, 2017 at 10:38am
 
Unpaid internship trend may penalise poorer job seekers, study finds
Wednesday 18 January 2017 ABC


More job hunters are doing unpaid internships, and this trend may disadvantage those who can't afford to work for free, as well as people in regional areas, the authors of a new report say.   Sad

The report by the Commonwealth Department of Employment is the first to look at exactly how common unpaid work experience (UWE) has become in Australia. It found 58 per cent of 18 to 29-year-olds had done UWE in the past five years. It also found that internships are not only for young people - 26 per cent of 30 to 64-year-olds had done UWE in this period.

Almost two-thirds of 18 to 29-year-olds from the top wealth bracket had done UWE, compared to about half of those from the lowest bracket (64 per cent v 53 per cent).

This points to an 'access gap' for young people from poorer backgrounds. UWE effectively costs money, and so it favours young people who are being financially supported by their parents.

In the UK, MPs have called for a ban on unpaid internships, which they say disadvantage working class young people.

UWE may also favour young people in cities, according to the study.

Young people not in a city or town were less likely to have done unpaid work placements than people living in capital cities (24 per cent to 36 per cent).

That's a double blow for young people in regional areas such as outback Queensland where the worst youth unemployment rates are to be found.

The number of young people out of work has skyrocketed since 2008.   Sad

Before the global financial crisis, 54 per cent of 20-24-year-olds were in full-time work. By 2013, this was down to 44 per cent, and now, only 39 per cent have a full-time job.
Paying to do unpaid work

The survey also looked at the costs of doing a UWE.

Over a quarter reduced their hours of paid employment in order to participate in UWE. One in five organised and paid for their own insurance. More than one in ten paid money to a broker, agent or directly to the organisation to take part in the UWE, and nearly one in four had to travel longer than one hour to get to their UWE host.

One of the researchers, Dr Damian Oliver of UTS Business School, said the survey found that young people from wealthy backgrounds were more likely to cut back hours of paid work to do UWE.

"Socioeconomic background does have an impact on how young people are able to participate," he said.

"If that is having an impact on who gets job in the labour market - and we know youth unemployment in particular is a growing problem - then young people from low socio-economic backgrounds are missing out."

Dr Oliver said previous studies had suggested internships were becoming increasingly common, although, unlike this study, they hadn't given an exact figure. We now know how widespread UWE is in Australia, but it's hard to say how much more common it has become.

"It’s perhaps surprising a quarter of people aged 30 or over reported doing unpaid work experience in the last five years," he said.

"This is not just young people starting out in the workforce - it's also people who have lost jobs and are re-entering."
Unpaid interns 'very satisfied'

Those who had done internships or placements reported very high levels of satisfaction. Most thought the UWE would help them find employment, and about a quarter reported the UWE directly led to an offer of paid work by their host organisaiton.

"I think that's quite high," Dr Oliver said.

"For some industries it's much higher. The data could suggest some industries were using unpaid work experience or internships much more as a means of recruiting into that industry."

UWE for 18 to 29-year-olds was most common in social services, education, health care, and media and fashion.

About one-third of UWE placements for young people lasted longer than a month. Typically UWE lasted between a week and a month.

They research was done by Dr Damian Oliver of UTS Business School, Professor Paula McDonald of QUT, and Professor Andrew Stewart and Associate Professor Anne Hewitt of Adelaide Law School.

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Reply #1 - Jan 20th, 2017 at 10:46am
 
Bob Barrett · Brisbane, Australia
Modern slavery techniques in industries that can afford to pay applicants training costs and remuneration for time.A rort by any measure.   Sad
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Greg Smith
Disgusting. Unpaid labour is slavery. The proper way to do it is with probationary periods.   Sad

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Reply #2 - Jan 20th, 2017 at 10:54am
 
What would you of all people know about WORK????

You could probably tell us as much about nuclear physics as you could about work
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Reply #3 - Jan 20th, 2017 at 10:57am
 
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 10:54am:
What would you of all people know about WORK????

You could probably tell us as much about nuclear physics as you could about work


Can you tell us how unemployment is going ?
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Reply #4 - Jan 20th, 2017 at 11:35am
 
Its time wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 10:57am:
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 10:54am:
What would you of all people know about WORK????

You could probably tell us as much about nuclear physics as you could about work



Can you tell us how unemployment is going ?


It's one of the few figures going up.
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Reply #5 - Jan 20th, 2017 at 12:24pm
 
hey I work for free crook when you going to do something about that.. like most grandparents.. I do it..

today I am minding two young boys....all day...for FREE..

it is taken for granted that we do it for Free....

just like work experience ..its usually for a week.. and there is no training as such its just a come look see we will give you something give you an understanding into what work we do...I think its a great idea....it saves going into something you are really not cut out to do.. but because you hav e no idea what you want to do for the next 30x40 years.. its a look see.

god help us.. why does everything have to have a price.. why cant they afford it.. whats hard about working for a week to get an insight... whats so bloody hard... whats to afford.??...

I dont get it.. everywhere I look all I see is excuses on top of more excuses....

wealthy youth are more likely to do unpaid work UPE than those in a tougher economy......really you dont say????...

not in my experience the ones that I know who have done WE.. have all done it on school time....

its up to them ....they are not giving up part time jobs.....all of my grandsons have done WE and have also had part time jobs whilst at school....

and the same for their mates..

god is anyone ever going to give this country a good rap! Angry Angry


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Reply #6 - Jan 20th, 2017 at 12:40pm
 
Its time wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 10:57am:
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 10:54am:
What would you of all people know about WORK????

You could probably tell us as much about nuclear physics as you could about work


Can you tell us how unemployment is going ?


Unlike the silly OP, I actually work and yes, I could even go quite a few rounds with you on nuclear and particle phsyics.
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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."
 
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Reply #7 - Jan 20th, 2017 at 12:56pm
 
How to prevent business abusing "free" work?  Or subsided  internship.
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Reply #8 - Jan 20th, 2017 at 1:32pm
 
NO-ONE should be compelled to work for nothing.

Not interns, not those on a 'trial period', not those on WfD - NO-ONE.

Those who VOLUNTEER are an entirely different matter.
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Reply #9 - Jan 20th, 2017 at 3:05pm
 
Kat wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 1:32pm:
NO-ONE should be compelled to work for nothing.

Not interns, not those on a 'trial period', not those on WfD - NO-ONE.

Those who VOLUNTEER are an entirely different matter.


You want to be a doctor or a nurse?  you work unpaid internships. Dont like it? then go and put bikes together 4hrs a week like one other loser we can name,

Want to be a lawyer? then an internship is how you start.

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Reply #10 - Jan 20th, 2017 at 4:51pm
 
Quote:
Unpaid internship trend may penalise poorer job seekers, study finds

This study must have come out of the Sybil Fawlty Institute of the Bleeding Obvious.
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You are not entitled to your opinion. You are only entitled to hold opinions that you can defend through sound, reasoned argument.
 
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Reply #11 - Jan 20th, 2017 at 4:59pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 3:05pm:
Kat wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 1:32pm:
NO-ONE should be compelled to work for nothing.

Not interns, not those on a 'trial period', not those on WfD - NO-ONE.

Those who VOLUNTEER are an entirely different matter.


You want to be a doctor or a nurse?  you work unpaid internships. Dont like it? then go and put bikes together 4hrs a week like one other loser we can name,

Want to be a lawyer? then an internship is how you start.



These unpaid internships are part of accreditation process by professional bodies.  Not volunteering "work experience" that is being implied.
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Reply #12 - Jan 20th, 2017 at 5:21pm
 
stunspore wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 4:59pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 3:05pm:
Kat wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 1:32pm:
NO-ONE should be compelled to work for nothing.

Not interns, not those on a 'trial period', not those on WfD - NO-ONE.

Those who VOLUNTEER are an entirely different matter.


You want to be a doctor or a nurse?  you work unpaid internships. Dont like it? then go and put bikes together 4hrs a week like one other loser we can name,

Want to be a lawyer? then an internship is how you start.



These unpaid internships are part of accreditation process by professional bodies.  Not volunteering "work experience" that is being implied.
 


I know that. it doesnt change the point tho.
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Reply #13 - Jan 20th, 2017 at 7:01pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 5:21pm:
stunspore wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 4:59pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 3:05pm:
Kat wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 1:32pm:
NO-ONE should be compelled to work for nothing.

Not interns, not those on a 'trial period', not those on WfD - NO-ONE.

Those who VOLUNTEER are an entirely different matter.


You want to be a doctor or a nurse?  you work unpaid internships. Dont like it? then go and put bikes together 4hrs a week like one other loser we can name,

Want to be a lawyer? then an internship is how you start.



These unpaid internships are part of accreditation process by professional bodies.  Not volunteering "work experience" that is being implied.
 


I know that. it doesnt change the point tho.


Any disguised point is made meaningless by backing it with an irrelevant point. When you build an argument on a faulty foundation it falls down.
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Reply #14 - Jan 20th, 2017 at 7:22pm
 
unpaid internships Should be illegal.
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