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Jan 19th, 2017 at 11:38am
 
Australia currently experiencing heat waves before February which is usually hottest month.

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Reply #1 - Jan 19th, 2017 at 1:27pm
 
The temperature spiral showing 2016 as a stand-out year.

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Reply #2 - Jan 19th, 2017 at 1:41pm
 
A lot of socialist rubbish just ask Ju Liar!

A commie plot!

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Reply #3 - Jan 19th, 2017 at 1:45pm
 
How's Europe at them moment?
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Reply #4 - Jan 19th, 2017 at 2:33pm
 
Unforgiven wrote on Jan 19th, 2017 at 11:38am:
Australia currently experiencing heat waves before February which is usually hottest month.



So not always? Wink
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Reply #5 - Jan 19th, 2017 at 3:01pm
 
By 0.04ºC? With error bars (reported) of +/-0.15ºC? Cheesy Cheesy

I see their uncertainties for the ocean have blown out. 0.01ºC in 2015, and 0.16ºC in 2016.

And all on the back of ENSO.
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Reply #6 - Jan 19th, 2017 at 9:39pm
 
There is no way that the scientists can accurately predict weather patterns from 1880 and compare them with today. Scientists would probably not be able to accurately monitor temperatures until the 1980s (especially ocean temperatures). We are not seeing record-breaking temperatures that have smashed decades-long temperature records.
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Reply #7 - Jan 19th, 2017 at 9:49pm
 
UnSubRocky wrote on Jan 19th, 2017 at 9:39pm:
There is no way that the scientists can accurately predict weather patterns from 1880 and compare them with today. Scientists would probably not be able to accurately monitor temperatures until the 1980s (especially ocean temperatures). We are not seeing record-breaking temperatures that have smashed decades-long temperature records.


Well now they have 3000 Argo buoys for the ocean. 355 million sq km. That should cut that uncertainty right down.  Wink
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lee wrote on Jan 19th, 2017 at 9:49pm:
UnSubRocky wrote on Jan 19th, 2017 at 9:39pm:
There is no way that the scientists can accurately predict weather patterns from 1880 and compare them with today. Scientists would probably not be able to accurately monitor temperatures until the 1980s (especially ocean temperatures). We are not seeing record-breaking temperatures that have smashed decades-long temperature records.


Well now they have 3000 Argo buoys for the ocean. 355 million sq km. That should cut that uncertainty right down.  Wink


So, one buoy per 118,000 sq kilometres? Or one buoy per 343 x 343km? Not sure that the variances of temps would be reasonable to be accurate. May give some indication of averages. But nothing definitive.
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Reply #10 - Jan 20th, 2017 at 10:09am
 
Let's hear the date of your earliest record and we can all make up our minds how relevant the data is in the overall scheme of things.
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Reply #11 - Jan 20th, 2017 at 10:21am
 
bogarde73 wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 10:09am:
Let's hear the date of your earliest record and we can all make up our minds how relevant the data is in the overall scheme of things.


Is Bogarde73 unable to use Google search?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instrumental_temperature_record

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Global record from 1850[edit]
The period for which reasonably reliable instrumental records of near-surface temperature exist with quasi-global coverage is generally considered to begin around 1850. Earlier records exist, but with sparser coverage and less standardized instrumentation.
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Reply #12 - Jan 20th, 2017 at 10:33am
 
Mmmm, 150+ years . . .a tiny pimple on one butt in a herd of elephants.
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Reply #13 - Jan 20th, 2017 at 10:33am
 
its just smashing here today

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YES NINETEEN


and and and.. yes its RAINING to boot....

there is a god...


.oh wait I bet thats climate change kicking in over night.. Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


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Reply #14 - Jan 20th, 2017 at 10:34am
 
bogarde73 wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 10:33am:
Mmmm, 150+ years . . .a tiny pimple on one butt in a herd of elephants.



please boges....i

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Reply #15 - Jan 20th, 2017 at 10:37am
 
Unforgiven wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 10:21am:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instrumental_temperature_record

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Global record from 1850[edit]
The period for which reasonably reliable instrumental records of near-surface temperature exist with quasi-global coverage is generally considered to begin around 1850. Earlier records exist, but with sparser coverage and less standardized instrumentation.



What was global coverage like in 1850? Don't forget the oceans.
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Reply #16 - Jan 20th, 2017 at 11:38am
 
Interesting graphics

Because they don't have thermometers at the North Pole they infill from the nearest land based source.

With 1200 kilometre interpolation.

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Without 1200kilometre interpolation

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Grey areas are those with no data.
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lee wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 11:38am:
Interesting graphics

Because they don't have thermometers at the North Pole they infill from the nearest land based source.

With 1200 kilometre interpolation.

https://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2017/01/2016-giss-1200km-interpolati...

Without 1200kilometre interpolation

https://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2017/01/2016-giss-250km-interpolatio...

Grey areas are those with no data.




So still 0.73 degrees above anomaly even with no data areas shaded? Cheers.
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bogarde73 wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 10:33am:
Mmmm, 150+ years . . .a tiny pimple on one butt in a herd of elephants.


Blame your ancestors for not being innovative and creative enough to invent climate science millennia ago when they were painting their faces blue and hitting each other on the head with clubs.
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Reply #19 - Jan 20th, 2017 at 12:24pm
 
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 11:39am:
So still 0.73 degrees above anomaly even with no data areas shaded? Cheers.



Yeah, a warming world, if you believe the "data". But with the increase in CO2 since 1998, shouldn't it be higher, if CO2 is the main drivers of global warming?

Of course don't forget 1997 was 62.45ºF compared to 2016 of 58.69ºF. According to the 2015 NOAA report 1998 was 0.12ºF warmer than 1997. Wink
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lee wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 12:24pm:
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So still 0.73 degrees above anomaly even with no data areas shaded? Cheers.



Yeah, a warming world, if you believe the "data". But with the increase in CO2 since 1998, shouldn't it be higher, if CO2 is the main drivers of global warming?

Of course don't forget 1997 was 62.45ºF compared to 2016 of 58.69ºF. According to the 2015 NOAA report 1998 was 0.12ºF warmer than 1997. Wink



The whole thing is multifactorial.


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Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 12:25pm:
The whole thing is multifactorial.



Yep. And they never use the same method twice. Helps to show what the real world is doing. Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

Did you notice the ocean uncertainty this year? +/-0.16ºC. Last year 0.01ºC. Makes you wonder how the uncertainty blew out by a factor of 15.
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lee wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 12:31pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 12:25pm:
The whole thing is multifactorial.



Yep. And they never use the same method twice. Helps to show what the real world is doing. Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

Did you notice the ocean uncertainty this year? +/-0.16ºC. Last year 0.01ºC. Makes you wonder how the uncertainty blew out by a factor of 15.





Not really, its just statistics.
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Not really, its just statistics.



So statistics don't matter. Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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lee wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 12:34pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 12:32pm:
Not really, its just statistics.



So statistics don't matter. Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy



NO just saying that if you understand stats you understand why that variance occurs. It doesn't bother me largely.
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NO just saying that if you understand stats you understand why that variance occurs. It doesn't bother me largely.



Like this year is 0.04ºC warmer than last year. Statistically insignificant. Wink
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lee wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 12:37pm:
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NO just saying that if you understand stats you understand why that variance occurs. It doesn't bother me largely.



Like this year is 0.04ºC warmer than last year. Statistically insignificant. Wink



Umm you can't just say its 0.04 degrees warmer on its own and say its statistically significant or insignificant.
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Umm you can't just say its 0.04 degrees warmer on its own and say its statistically significant or insignificant.



I did qualify it with "last year". Wink
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Umm you can't just say its 0.04 degrees warmer on its own and say its statistically significant or insignificant.



I did qualify it with "last year". Wink




And it still doesnt improve the ability to state its statistically significant or insignifcant.
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Bojack, where are you, geographically?
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Bojack, where are you, geographically?




Fail to see what that has to do with the discussion?
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And it still doesnt improve the ability to state its statistically significant or insignifcant.



Oh. You want me to add "out of the global average temperature of the 20th century of 13.9ºC"?

How did they arrive at a global average temperature in 1880 when they didn't measure the Arctic or Antarctic?
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lee wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 12:54pm:
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And it still doesnt improve the ability to state its statistically significant or insignifcant.



Oh. You want me to add "out of the global average temperature of the 20th century of 13.9ºC"?

How did they arrive at a global average temperature in 1880 when they didn't measure the Arctic or Antarctic?




No. P value would be good.
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No. P value would be good.



Ask your friendly climate scientist. I'm sure they look at that. perhaps.
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"Now, in a Nature news article titled “Scientific method: Statistical errors,” Regina Nuzzo, a professor of statistics at Gallaudet University in Washington, DC, has ignited a statistical firestorm on the internet. The tweets are flying and the blogosphere exploding with commentary (including this one). Sadly, the specious use of statistics is nothing new. According to Nuzzo, the root of the problem is the surprisingly slippery nature of the P value, which is neither as reliable nor as objective as most scientists assume. An analysis of medical literature found that P values have emerged from many different kinds of experiments, and have been processed and filtered in so many ways, that there is no way that the underlying assumptions about their statistical properties could hold up."

http://theresilientearth.com/?q=content/perfidious-p-value-and-false-global-warm...

http://www.nature.com/news/scientific-method-statistical-errors-1.14700
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lee wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 1:10pm:
"Now, in a Nature news article titled “Scientific method: Statistical errors,” Regina Nuzzo, a professor of statistics at Gallaudet University in Washington, DC, has ignited a statistical firestorm on the internet. The tweets are flying and the blogosphere exploding with commentary (including this one). Sadly, the specious use of statistics is nothing new. According to Nuzzo, the root of the problem is the surprisingly slippery nature of the P value, which is neither as reliable nor as objective as most scientists assume. An analysis of medical literature found that P values have emerged from many different kinds of experiments, and have been processed and filtered in so many ways, that there is no way that the underlying assumptions about their statistical properties could hold up."

http://theresilientearth.com/?q=content/perfidious-p-value-and-false-global-warm...

http://www.nature.com/news/scientific-method-statistical-errors-1.14700



I am aware of the problems of P value, but if you act correctly its fine, and still better than saying oh look its insignificantly hotter than lastg year.
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Reply #36 - Jan 20th, 2017 at 9:03pm
 
No authoritative source is questioning the announcement by NASA and NOAA that 2016 is the hottest year ever recorded.

http://www.pulseheadlines.com/2016-officially-hottest-year-record/58155/

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2016 has become the hottest year on the earth since the temperatures started being tracked back in 1880, as it was announced Wednesday by the World Meteorological Organization, a specialized agency of the United Nations. As well, 2016 has set global warm record for the third consecutive year. This was also announced by NASA and NOAA, who held a joint press conference to discuss the matter.

These agencies said that out of 17 years, 16 have shown heat records since 2000. The last time we had a cold year record was in 1911, more than a century ago. Temperatures in Earth during 2016 were 1.1 degree Celsius, or 1.98 degrees Fahrenheit, above the preindustrial levels. This means that we almost on the limit of warmth set by the Paris Agreement in December 2015.

One of the biggest concerns is the Arctic since it is warming twice as fast as the rest of the world. While the global temperatures were about 1 degree Celsius above preindustrial levels, the Arctic’s reached 3 degrees Celsius. As well, the ice minimum records have been continuously broken in both the Arctic and the Antarctic. This is not a problem just for polar bears, but the entire population living in the Arctic.

To get to these results, the World Meteorological Organization compared different global temperature databases made by several institutions such as NOAA, NASA, the European Weather and Climate Center and the UK Met Office.
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Reply #37 - Jan 20th, 2017 at 9:23pm
 
oh, No. 0.04ºC +/- 0.15ºC on the back of tan El Nino. El Nino = natural variation. Wink

Did you see the sea surface temperature error bars +/-.0.16 Officially. Up from 0.01C officially in 2015.

But according to NOAA's figures to the EPA the error bars in 2015 were actually 0.59089524ºF or 0.32ºC.

https://www.epa.gov/sites/production/files/2016-08/sea-surface-temp_fig-1.csv

Should I believe the Press Release or the data? Wink

And don't forget 1997 was 62.45ºF, 2016 is reported to be 58.69ºF. That makes 2016 hotter than 1997 by minus 3.76ºF Wink
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One of the biggest concerns is the Arctic since it is warming twice as fast as the rest of the world. While the global temperatures were about 1 degree Celsius above preindustrial levels, the Arctic’s reached 3 degrees Celsius. As well, the ice minimum records have been continuously broken in both the Arctic and the Antarctic. This is not a problem just for polar bears, but the entire population living in the Arctic.

To get to these results, the World Meteorological Organization compared different global temperature databases made by several institutions such as NOAA, NASA, the European Weather and Climate Center and the UK Met Office.


The deniers like to cherry pick data or believe conspiracy theories but the retreat of the worlds glaciers is irrefutable proof that the planet is warming.
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Reply #39 - Jan 21st, 2017 at 10:53am
 
The movie An Inconvenient Truth,2006, predicted the flooding of New York,2012, during superstorm Sandy 6 years before it happened.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=2unzHvFPtY0

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The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 21st, 2017 at 9:29am:
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One of the biggest concerns is the Arctic since it is warming twice as fast as the rest of the world. While the global temperatures were about 1 degree Celsius above preindustrial levels, the Arctic’s reached 3 degrees Celsius. As well, the ice minimum records have been continuously broken in both the Arctic and the Antarctic. This is not a problem just for polar bears, but the entire population living in the Arctic.

To get to these results, the World Meteorological Organization compared different global temperature databases made by several institutions such as NOAA, NASA, the European Weather and Climate Center and the UK Met Office.


The deniers like to cherry pick data or believe conspiracy theories but the retreat of the worlds glaciers is irrefutable proof that the planet is warming.


You do realise they only compare it to 1979? Wink

How is that for cherry picking records?
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Unforgiven wrote on Jan 21st, 2017 at 10:53am:
The movie An Inconvenient Truth,2006, predicted the flooding of New York,2012, during superstorm Sandy 6 years before it happened.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=2unzHvFPtY0



So you believe a movie with known scientific errors? Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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lee wrote on Jan 21st, 2017 at 11:20am:
Unforgiven wrote on Jan 21st, 2017 at 10:53am:
The movie An Inconvenient Truth,2006, predicted the flooding of New York,2012, during superstorm Sandy 6 years before it happened.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=2unzHvFPtY0



So you believe a movie with known scientific errors? Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


I don't believe denizen lee, the master of obfuscation, misdirection, and the clouding if issues.

lee's score on predictions zero. The movies scored on many predictions including the New York flood.
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Reply #43 - Jan 21st, 2017 at 11:32am
 
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The movies scored on many predictions



Name some of these many predictions that have come true.
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Reply #44 - Jan 21st, 2017 at 11:40am
 
There goes lee spewing off his nonsense again.

Appears the latest temperature data confirms Mother Earth's long-term warming trend. Oh but wait a minnie here, lee will contest "weather phenomena" like El Nino and its bratty cousin  La Nina. No question, both can cause positive or negative spikes in the temperature yet they are relatively small compared to the overall increase in global surface temperature(s) which have risen by an average of 1.1 degrees Celsius since the late 19th century.

So keep on increasing amount of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases into the atmosphere (Trump will damn sure make that happen) and continue to blame everything else but human activity.
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Reply #45 - Jan 21st, 2017 at 11:56am
 
Marla wrote on Jan 21st, 2017 at 11:40am:
There goes lee spewing off his nonsense again.

Appears the latest temperature data confirms Mother Earth's long-term warming trend. Oh but wait a minnie here, lee will contest "weather phenomena" like El Nino and its bratty cousin  La Nina. No question, both can cause positive or negative spikes in the temperature yet they are relatively small compared to the overall increase in global surface temperature(s) which have risen by an average of 1.1 degrees Celsius since the late 19th century.

So keep on increasing amount of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases into the atmosphere (Trump will damn sure make that happen) and continue to blame everything else but human activity.


So in over 100 years it has increased 1.1ºC and we should be scared.

Now I suggest you go to NOAA 1997 annual and look at the global temperature - 62.45ºC. Now is that above or below 2016 "hottest evah"?

https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/199713

It does form part of the temperature record; doesn't it?
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Reply #46 - Jan 21st, 2017 at 12:43pm
 
lee wrote on Jan 21st, 2017 at 11:56am:
Marla wrote on Jan 21st, 2017 at 11:40am:
There goes lee spewing off his nonsense again.

Appears the latest temperature data confirms Mother Earth's long-term warming trend. Oh but wait a minnie here, lee will contest "weather phenomena" like El Nino and its bratty cousin  La Nina. No question, both can cause positive or negative spikes in the temperature yet they are relatively small compared to the overall increase in global surface temperature(s) which have risen by an average of 1.1 degrees Celsius since the late 19th century.

So keep on increasing amount of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases into the atmosphere (Trump will damn sure make that happen) and continue to blame everything else but human activity.


So in over 100 years it has increased 1.1ºC and we should be scared.

Now I suggest you go to NOAA 1997 annual and look at the global temperature - 62.45ºC. Now is that above or below 2016 "hottest evah"?

https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/199713

It does form part of the temperature record; doesn't it?


Denizen lee must be off it's head. "62.45ºC". Even denizen lee's goose would be cooked at that temperature.

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16 of the 17 hottest years have occurred since 2000
Once, the years with heat records were anomalies. Now it seems that we are getting used to experiencing hotter temperatures each year. According to scientists, though there are many factors, the main cause of this problem is the human burning of fossil fuels. They say that the earth is going through big changes and these changes are caused by Greenhouse gas emission.

2016 has become the hottest year on the earth since the temperatures started being tracked back in 1880, as it was announced Wednesday by the World Meteorological Organization, a specialized agency of the United Nations. As well, 2016 has set global warm record for the third consecutive year. This was also announced by NASA and NOAA, who held a joint press conference to discuss the matter.
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Reply #47 - Jan 21st, 2017 at 12:56pm
 
Unforgiven wrote on Jan 21st, 2017 at 12:43pm:
Denizen lee must be off it's head. "62.45ºC"



Me culpa 62.45ºF

Unforgiven wrote on Jan 21st, 2017 at 12:43pm:
16 of the 17 hottest years have occurred since 2000
Once, the years with heat records were anomalies. Now it seems that we are getting used to experiencing hotter temperatures each year. According to scientists, though there are many factors, the main cause of this problem is the human burning of fossil fuels. They say that the earth is going through big changes and these changes are caused by Greenhouse gas emission.

2016 has become the hottest year on the earth since the temperatures started being tracked back in 1880, as it was announced Wednesday by the World Meteorological Organization, a specialized agency of the United Nations. As well, 2016 has set global warm record for the third consecutive year. This was also announced by NASA and NOAA, who held a joint press conference to discuss the matter.


So what happened? Have they forgotten, conveniently, 1997?

Read the record for 1997.
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Reply #48 - Jan 21st, 2017 at 1:26pm
 
lee wrote on Jan 21st, 2017 at 11:56am:
So in over 100 years it has increased 1.1ºC and we should be scared.



Yes we should, and the warming is accelerating


lee wrote on Jan 21st, 2017 at 11:56am:
Now I suggest you go to NOAA 1997 annual and look at the global temperature - 62.45ºC. Now is that above or below 2016 "hottest evah"?

https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/199713

It does form part of the temperature record; doesn't it?


I've already pointed out to you that you are deceitfully using superseded data

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Please note: the estimate for the baseline global temperature used in this study differed, and was warmer than, the baseline estimate (Jones et al., 1999) used currently. This report has been superseded by subsequent analyses. However, as with all climate monitoring reports, it is left online as it was written at the time.



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Reply #49 - Jan 21st, 2017 at 1:52pm
 
The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 21st, 2017 at 1:26pm:
I've already pointed out to you that you are deceitfully using superseded data

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Please note: the estimate for the baseline global temperature used in this study differed, and was warmer than, the baseline estimate (Jones et al., 1999) used currently. This report has been superseded by subsequent analyses. However, as with all climate monitoring reports, it is left online as it was written at the time.



I have repeatedly pointed out to you that they changed the baseline, which changed the anomaly. Changing the anomaly does NOT change the global temperature.

Talk about deceitful? The data has NOT changed, The anomaly has changed.
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Reply #50 - Jan 21st, 2017 at 1:55pm
 
lee wrote on Jan 21st, 2017 at 1:52pm:
The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 21st, 2017 at 1:26pm:
I've already pointed out to you that you are deceitfully using superseded data

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Please note: the estimate for the baseline global temperature used in this study differed, and was warmer than, the baseline estimate (Jones et al., 1999) used currently. This report has been superseded by subsequent analyses. However, as with all climate monitoring reports, it is left online as it was written at the time.


I have repeatedly pointed out to you that they changed the baseline, which changed the anomaly. Changing the anomaly does NOT change the global temperature.

Talk about deceitful? The data has NOT changed, The anomaly has changed.


Rabbiting on and blithering does not change the facts.
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Reply #51 - Jan 21st, 2017 at 1:55pm
 
Whoops. The NOAA website is down. Clearing the decks before audit? Wink
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Reply #52 - Jan 21st, 2017 at 1:57pm
 
was the warmest year evah.Unforgiven wrote on Jan 21st, 2017 at 1:55pm:
Rabbiting on and blithering does not change the facts.



Yep. 1997 was warmer than 2016. Wink
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Reply #53 - Jan 21st, 2017 at 2:55pm
 
Denizen lee can't take the heat and he becomes deluded at 62.45ºF.

http://www.theadvocate.com.au/story/4410908/cant-stand-the-heat-theres-more-to-c...

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Want to hear a scary statistic? You have just lived through the hottest year on record. If you’re under 40, you’ve never lived in a year with global temperatures at or below the 20th century average....

...In 2016, Australians witnessed the battering of our natural heritage by climate change.

The Great Barrier Reef suffered its worst coral bleaching event in history; ancient World Heritage forests in Tasmania which had never burned before were razed by bushfires; and extreme heat drove an unprecedented mangrove dieback in the Northern Territory.

Many other heat records were broken in 2016, with Australia experiencing its fourth-warmest year ever, including the hottest March and autumn on record.

Ocean temperatures around Australia were the hottest ever recorded.

The 2016-17 summer had only just begun before Sydneysiders spent their hottest December night in record-keeping history, tossing and turning in what was the first of many more extreme heat events for the season. There was no cold turkey on offer in Adelaide either as the city sweltered through its hottest Christmas in 70 years, while temperatures soared to almost 40°C in some parts of Victoria over the festive period. The high day and night-time temperatures resulted in heatwave conditions in much of NSW, southern Queensland, central and eastern Victoria and northern Tasmania.

As the bells brought in the new year, the world’s leading meteorological agencies were crunching the numbers to later hand 2016 the unenviable title of hottest year on record, the third consecutive year the record has been broken.

More importantly, the record hot years of 2014, 2015 and 2016 are part of a deeply troubling long-term warming trend that is marching on unabated. We cannot afford this dangerous trend to continue.
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Reply #54 - Jan 21st, 2017 at 3:02pm
 
Unforgiven wrote on Jan 21st, 2017 at 2:55pm:
You have just lived through the hottest year on record



Except for 1997. Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #55 - Jan 21st, 2017 at 4:02pm
 
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Unforgiven wrote on Jan 21st, 2017 at 2:55pm:
You have just lived through the hottest year on record



Except for 1997. Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


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Reply #56 - Jan 21st, 2017 at 4:03pm
 
lee wrote on Jan 21st, 2017 at 1:55pm:
Whoops. The NOAA website is down. Clearing the decks before audit? Wink


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Reply #57 - Jan 21st, 2017 at 4:39pm
 
bogarde73 wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 10:33am:
Mmmm, 150+ years . . .a tiny pimple on one butt in a herd of elephants.

Why would you say that?
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Reply #58 - Jan 21st, 2017 at 4:41pm
 
lee wrote on Jan 21st, 2017 at 1:55pm:
Whoops. The NOAA website is down. Clearing the decks before audit? Wink

lee doesn't even know what an audit is!!
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Reply #59 - Jan 21st, 2017 at 4:44pm
 
lee wrote on Jan 21st, 2017 at 11:19am:
The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 21st, 2017 at 9:29am:
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One of the biggest concerns is the Arctic since it is warming twice as fast as the rest of the world. While the global temperatures were about 1 degree Celsius above preindustrial levels, the Arctic’s reached 3 degrees Celsius. As well, the ice minimum records have been continuously broken in both the Arctic and the Antarctic. This is not a problem just for polar bears, but the entire population living in the Arctic.

To get to these results, the World Meteorological Organization compared different global temperature databases made by several institutions such as NOAA, NASA, the European Weather and Climate Center and the UK Met Office.


The deniers like to cherry pick data or believe conspiracy theories but the retreat of the worlds glaciers is irrefutable proof that the planet is warming.


You do realise they only compare it to 1979? Wink

How is that for cherry picking records?

lee doesn't even know what cherry picking means!
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