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Reply #15 - Jan 20^th, 2017 at 10:37am

Unforgiven wrote on Jan 20^th, 2017 at 10:21am:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instrumental_temperature_record

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Global record from 1850[edit]
The period for which reasonably reliable instrumental records of near-surface temperature exist with quasi-global coverage is generally considered to begin around 1850. Earlier records exist, but with sparser coverage and less standardized instrumentation.

What was global coverage like in 1850? Don't forget the oceans.

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16397 Gender:	Re: 2016 hottest year on record Reply #16 - Jan 20^th, 2017 at 11:38am Interesting graphics Because they don't have thermometers at the North Pole they infill from the nearest land based source. With 1200 kilometre interpolation. Without 1200kilometre interpolation Grey areas are those with no data.
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Reply #17 - Jan 20^th, 2017 at 11:39am

lee wrote on Jan 20^th, 2017 at 11:38am:

Interesting graphics

Because they don't have thermometers at the North Pole they infill from the nearest land based source.

With 1200 kilometre interpolation.

https://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2017/01/2016-giss-1200km-interpolati...

Without 1200kilometre interpolation

https://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2017/01/2016-giss-250km-interpolatio...

Grey areas are those with no data.

So still 0.73 degrees above anomaly even with no data areas shaded? Cheers.

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Unforgiven Gold Member Offline I have sinned Posts: 8879 Gender:	Re: 2016 hottest year on record Reply #18 - Jan 20^th, 2017 at 12:23pm bogarde73 wrote on Jan 20^th, 2017 at 10:33am: Mmmm, 150+ years . . .a tiny pimple on one butt in a herd of elephants. Blame your ancestors for not being innovative and creative enough to invent climate science millennia ago when they were painting their faces blue and hitting each other on the head with clubs.
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Reply #19 - Jan 20^th, 2017 at 12:24pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 20^th, 2017 at 11:39am:

So still 0.73 degrees above anomaly even with no data areas shaded? Cheers.

Yeah, a warming world, if you believe the "data". But with the increase in CO2 since 1998, shouldn't it be higher, if CO2 is the main drivers of global warming?

Of course don't forget 1997 was 62.45ºF compared to 2016 of 58.69ºF. According to the 2015 NOAA report 1998 was 0.12ºF warmer than 1997. Wink

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Reply #20 - Jan 20^th, 2017 at 12:25pm

lee wrote on Jan 20^th, 2017 at 12:24pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 20^th, 2017 at 11:39am:

So still 0.73 degrees above anomaly even with no data areas shaded? Cheers.

Yeah, a warming world, if you believe the "data". But with the increase in CO2 since 1998, shouldn't it be higher, if CO2 is the main drivers of global warming?

Of course don't forget 1997 was 62.45ºF compared to 2016 of 58.69ºF. According to the 2015 NOAA report 1998 was 0.12ºF warmer than 1997. Wink

The whole thing is multifactorial.

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Reply #21 - Jan 20^th, 2017 at 12:31pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 20^th, 2017 at 12:25pm:

The whole thing is multifactorial.

Yep. And they never use the same method twice. Helps to show what the real world is doing. Cheesy

Did you notice the ocean uncertainty this year? +/-0.16ºC. Last year 0.01ºC. Makes you wonder how the uncertainty blew out by a factor of 15.

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Reply #22 - Jan 20^th, 2017 at 12:32pm

lee wrote on Jan 20^th, 2017 at 12:31pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 20^th, 2017 at 12:25pm:

The whole thing is multifactorial.

Yep. And they never use the same method twice. Helps to show what the real world is doing. Cheesy

Did you notice the ocean uncertainty this year? +/-0.16ºC. Last year 0.01ºC. Makes you wonder how the uncertainty blew out by a factor of 15.

Not really, its just statistics.

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16397 Gender:	Re: 2016 hottest year on record Reply #23 - Jan 20^th, 2017 at 12:34pm Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 20^th, 2017 at 12:32pm: Not really, its just statistics. So statistics don't matter.
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16397 Gender:	Re: 2016 hottest year on record Reply #25 - Jan 20^th, 2017 at 12:37pm Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 20^th, 2017 at 12:35pm: NO just saying that if you understand stats you understand why that variance occurs. It doesn't bother me largely. Like this year is 0.04ºC warmer than last year. Statistically insignificant.
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Reply #26 - Jan 20^th, 2017 at 12:40pm

lee wrote on Jan 20^th, 2017 at 12:37pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 20^th, 2017 at 12:35pm:

NO just saying that if you understand stats you understand why that variance occurs. It doesn't bother me largely.

Like this year is 0.04ºC warmer than last year. Statistically insignificant. Wink

Umm you can't just say its 0.04 degrees warmer on its own and say its statistically significant or insignificant.

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16397 Gender:	Re: 2016 hottest year on record Reply #27 - Jan 20^th, 2017 at 12:42pm Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 20^th, 2017 at 12:40pm: Umm you can't just say its 0.04 degrees warmer on its own and say its statistically significant or insignificant. I did qualify it with "last year".
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Reply #28 - Jan 20^th, 2017 at 12:44pm

lee wrote on Jan 20^th, 2017 at 12:42pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 20^th, 2017 at 12:40pm:

Umm you can't just say its 0.04 degrees warmer on its own and say its statistically significant or insignificant.

I did qualify it with "last year". Wink

And it still doesnt improve the ability to state its statistically significant or insignifcant.

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AuntieM Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 444 Gender:	Re: 2016 hottest year on record Reply #29 - Jan 20^th, 2017 at 12:46pm Bojack, where are you, geographically?
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