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Re: Unpaid work is spreading like a disease
Reply #30 - Jan 18th, 2017 at 12:11pm
 
John Smith wrote on Jan 18th, 2017 at 11:39am:
Gnads wrote on Jan 18th, 2017 at 11:37am:
Real Estate Agent - a creation? I don't think so.

They are on an equal footing with 2nd hand car salesmen
and Insurance Salesmen.

Anyone making big dollars in that game is usually a rip off.

Pastry Chef - created? I don't think so.

Unless able to save a shyte load on those shyte wages and starting their own shop( a high risk venture) working as a Pastry Chef pays fairly ordinary wages.

And what happened to the middle one?

What job did he/she create that you can't seem to mention?



I'd also bet horsesh1t helped fund their lifestyles  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


no.
its really awful to spoil kids.
they need to understand how the world works and that no one else is going to spoil them, so mummy and daddy are teaching a BS lesson if they do.

true story, the one in real estate wanted to do some publicity. i said , why dont you put easter eggs in the local park and have an easter egg hunt and brand it with your agency. i suggested she buy 1000 worth of eggs.
she spent 10k (has more guts then me), made up little bags , each with the agency flier in it. about 2000 people turned up.
she dropped flyers in every letterbox in the suburb .
she pulled in $250k last year.

you see, the universe will reward you when you go into expansion and contribution.
the universe will punish you when you go into contraction and taking.
you never want a dollar you didnt earn, you never want to complain, you never want to live in scarcity. try it if you want....you will be destroyed  Wink
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Re: Unpaid work is spreading like a disease
Reply #31 - Jan 18th, 2017 at 12:13pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Jan 18th, 2017 at 11:06am:
There is a simple solution to this .

Dont be a gutless pussy who "needs" a boss to provide you with the safety and certainty of a paycheck (or in this case , rip you offer for being a gutless pussy).

Man the f*ck up.
Get some skills.
Start your own business.
Hustle your ass off.
Attract good people and pay them well.

Keep improving, learning , hustling and competing.

Destroy the business of the chump who tried to rip you off.
Drive past him in your merc , date his daughter and send him holiday snaps of the pair of you in St Moritz and stunt on his ass.

OR

Complain
Complain really loudly.
Ring up your mummy and have a cry.

complaining and crying is just retarded. But it is easier then pushing yourself to climb so i can see why losers do it.
How pitiful


You've made it quite clear that you have no problem with employers breaking the law in order to maximise their own profits.

Moreover, you maintain that anyone who complains about these law breakers is a "pussy", or a "loser".

So, my question to you is, what other laws do you turn a blind eye to?

If, for example, one of your daughters was raped, would you tell her to "man the fVkk up"?

Would you tell her that "complaining and crying is just retarded"?

I'm curious.
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Re: Unpaid work is spreading like a disease
Reply #32 - Jan 18th, 2017 at 12:59pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Jan 18th, 2017 at 11:06am:
There is a simple solution to this .

Dont be a gutless pussy who "needs" a boss to provide you with the safety and certainty of a paycheck (or in this case , rip you offer for being a gutless pussy).

Man the f*ck up.
Get some skills.
Start your own business.
Hustle your ass off.
Attract good people and pay them well.

Keep improving, learning , hustling and competing.

Destroy the business of the chump who tried to rip you off.
Drive past him in your merc , date his daughter and send him holiday snaps of the pair of you in St Moritz and stunt on his ass.

OR

Complain
Complain really loudly.
Ring up your mummy and have a cry.

complaining and crying is just retarded. But it is easier then pushing yourself to climb so i can see why losers do it.
How pitiful


No, that's too easy to say Scoot and it doesn't fit with the realities.
In this world there are the leaders and the independent self-motivated, but they are only maybe 10-15%. The rest are the average people who have to be organised and employed where needed.
And that's getting harder to achieve for various reasons like automation, technology and globalisation.

But . . .when an employer, be it corporate or small business, says to someone I'll give you a tryout for a period then that person needs to get a minimum payment according to a scale that's understood on all sides.
It doesn't & shouldn't mean it extends to everything that goes with full time employment, like loadings or unfair dismissal. This is a trial period only.
But there has to be reasonable payment and there has to be a referee.
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Re: Unpaid work is spreading like a disease
Reply #33 - Jan 18th, 2017 at 1:14pm
 
bogarde73 wrote on Jan 18th, 2017 at 12:59pm:
It doesn't & shouldn't mean it extends to everything that goes with full time employment, like loadings or unfair dismissal.


I can't agree with you on loadings - all workers should receive the same minimum standards.

On unfair dismissal, all employees need to have worked for an employer (with more than 15 employees) for at least 6 months before they are eligible to lodge a claim for unfair dismissal.

For small businesses (less than 15 employees), the qualifying period is 12 months.



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Reply #34 - Jan 18th, 2017 at 1:30pm
 
Its funny how employer groups are all so willing to propagate unpaid overtime, working well beyond normal hours and taking work home with them.

In some places its virtually mandatory with poor performance appraisals when you don't do enough.

These same cretins scream like stuck pigs when a sicky is taken or
Horror of horrors
One takes a sickie a day after a public holiday.

Ask for a pay increase for additional work.................sorry we cant afford it.
And if someone leaves, its.......we will have to all put in extra to carry the weight.
No extra pay for doing someone else's job, just work longer/harder.
Meanwhile, the company saves on an employees wages.........win for them.

Work to rule, that's my motto.
Im paid for 7 hours a day, I work 7 hours a day.
I work hard for that 7 hours, but I don't take work home or even answer calls from work at home.

I've had this out with several bosses.
I have stated I will be wiling to work extra hours......for extra money.
After all, they are making money from my work, I deserve to be given a part of that.

If they want you to work unpaid overtime, it is in fact THEFTH.
Theft of my time, my income and my worth.
I have asked many bosses this one question which seems to shut them up.

If I work overtime on a regular basis in the hard times.
Do I get a cut of the profits, from my work, in the good times?

The mumbling about loyalty and commitment start at this point.
I say well what about your loyalty to me, do you guarantee me my job?
Do you have loyalty to support me if things go bad?

More mumbling about working to support the company.

Then I explain that I work to live, not live to work.

I have a simple list of importance that I stick to religiously
Number 1 is my family, they always come first.
Number 2 is myself, its important that I stay healthy and happy.
Number 3 is all my possessions that I have worked and paid for all my life.
Number 4 is everything else.

Number 5 is work.

I do it because I have to, no other reason, no bull shite. I work to live.
I have walked out of a job simply because it has no longer been any fun.
I have walked out of a job because I didn't like someone.
I have even walked out of a job because I was spoken to without respect.

In all cases, I have been head hunted within a week, in one case 2 hours.
I'm much older now, manufacturing is stuffed in Australia, I am no longer head hunted.
But since I gave up full time work, I am assailed by people wanting me to contract to them.
I had not considered this before, and I find now that Im even knocking the less enjoyable jobs back.

Oh and I charge, I charge for every 1/4 hour or part thereof.
And I charge a lot, more for bigger companies.
No more free work for me, I charge for every second of my time.......because Im worth it.

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Re: Unpaid work is spreading like a disease
Reply #35 - Jan 18th, 2017 at 1:57pm
 
John Smith wrote on Jan 18th, 2017 at 10:36am:
seems we're heading back to the days where you had the unemployed paying bosses to give them jobs.  Cheesy Cheesy

Unpaid work should be banned. That includes unpaid overtime.

I put plenty of guys on work trials, but I never expected them to work for free.


"an' we 'ad to pay.. PAY..  Mill Owner to let us work!  Ye tell the yoong oons 'at these day - they'll naught believe yer!"...........
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Re: Unpaid work is spreading like a disease
Reply #36 - Jan 18th, 2017 at 2:00pm
 
Valkie wrote on Jan 18th, 2017 at 1:30pm:
Its funny how employer groups are all so willing to propagate unpaid overtime, working well beyond normal hours and taking work home with them.

In some places its virtually mandatory with poor performance appraisals when you don't do enough.

These same cretins scream like stuck pigs when a sicky is taken or
Horror of horrors
One takes a sickie a day after a public holiday.

Ask for a pay increase for additional work.................sorry we cant afford it.
And if someone leaves, its.......we will have to all put in extra to carry the weight.
No extra pay for doing someone else's job, just work longer/harder.
Meanwhile, the company saves on an employees wages.........win for them.

Work to rule, that's my motto.
Im paid for 7 hours a day, I work 7 hours a day.
I work hard for that 7 hours, but I don't take work home or even answer calls from work at home.

I've had this out with several bosses.
I have stated I will be wiling to work extra hours......for extra money.
After all, they are making money from my work, I deserve to be given a part of that.

If they want you to work unpaid overtime, it is in fact THEFTH.
Theft of my time, my income and my worth.
I have asked many bosses this one question which seems to shut them up.

If I work overtime on a regular basis in the hard times.
Do I get a cut of the profits, from my work, in the good times?

The mumbling about loyalty and commitment start at this point.
I say well what about your loyalty to me, do you guarantee me my job?
Do you have loyalty to support me if things go bad?

More mumbling about working to support the company.

Then I explain that I work to live, not live to work.

I have a simple list of importance that I stick to religiously
Number 1 is my family, they always come first.
Number 2 is myself, its important that I stay healthy and happy.
Number 3 is all my possessions that I have worked and paid for all my life.
Number 4 is everything else.

Number 5 is work.

I do it because I have to, no other reason, no bull shite. I work to live.
I have walked out of a job simply because it has no longer been any fun.
I have walked out of a job because I didn't like someone.
I have even walked out of a job because I was spoken to without respect.

In all cases, I have been head hunted within a week, in one case 2 hours.
I'm much older now, manufacturing is stuffed in Australia, I am no longer head hunted.
But since I gave up full time work, I am assailed by people wanting me to contract to them.
I had not considered this before, and I find now that Im even knocking the less enjoyable jobs back.

Oh and I charge, I charge for every 1/4 hour or part thereof.
And I charge a lot, more for bigger companies.
No more free work for me, I charge for every second of my time.......because Im worth it.



Jesus, when it comes to bigotry, we're worlds apart.

When it comes to working, though, we couldn't be more similar.

Good post.
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Re: Unpaid work is spreading like a disease
Reply #37 - Jan 18th, 2017 at 2:06pm
 
bogarde73 wrote on Jan 18th, 2017 at 12:59pm:
aquascoot wrote on Jan 18th, 2017 at 11:06am:
There is a simple solution to this .

Dont be a gutless pussy who "needs" a boss to provide you with the safety and certainty of a paycheck (or in this case , rip you offer for being a gutless pussy).

Man the f*ck up.
Get some skills.
Start your own business.
Hustle your ass off.
Attract good people and pay them well.

Keep improving, learning , hustling and competing.

Destroy the business of the chump who tried to rip you off.
Drive past him in your merc , date his daughter and send him holiday snaps of the pair of you in St Moritz and stunt on his ass.

OR

Complain
Complain really loudly.
Ring up your mummy and have a cry.

complaining and crying is just retarded. But it is easier then pushing yourself to climb so i can see why losers do it.
How pitiful


No, that's too easy to say Scoot and it doesn't fit with the realities.
In this world there are the leaders and the independent self-motivated, but they are only maybe 10-15%. The rest are the average people who have to be organised and employed where needed.
And that's getting harder to achieve for various reasons like automation, technology and globalisation.

But . . .when an employer, be it corporate or small business, says to someone I'll give you a tryout for a period then that person needs to get a minimum payment according to a scale that's understood on all sides.
It doesn't & shouldn't mean it extends to everything that goes with full time employment, like loadings or unfair dismissal. This is a trial period only.
But there has to be reasonable payment and there has to be a referee.


If everyone ran their own business there's be no-one to employ to run it.... get over it, Aqua.... business needs workers and workers need a certain level of income to survive and continue the buying process that will eventually return to the employer.

You pay Young Harry to look after your horses .. you sell horse poo on the open market (nothing personal - just business) .... Young Harry buys his grog at the local.... the local employs Gladys to cook lunches and dinners... Gladys owns a garden and buys horse poo from you.... it goes around and around.  If Gladys sold horse poo she wouldn't need to buy it for her gardens and you wouldn't employ Young Harry .... if Young Harry sold grog he wouldn't need to buy it at the local and the local couldn't afford to employ Gladys ..... your horses would go to the knackers for want of money to feed them......

Get over it.....
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