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Jan 13th, 2017 at 12:50pm
 
Female genital mutilation report reveals prevalence of procedure in Australia
By Emily Laurence
Posted 8 minutes ago

Fatu Sillah has become educated on FGM and now campaigns publicly against the practice.
PHOTO: Fatu Sillah suffered genital mutilation and says the report findings make her angry. (ABC News: Billy Cooper)
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A new report has given a shocking glimpse into the hidden prevalence of female genital mutilation (FGM) in Australia, revealing girls as young as five months old are having the procedure.

The study, conducted by researchers at the Australian paediatric surveillance unit at Westmead Children's Hospital in Sydney, found almost 60 girls with FGM had been seen by paediatricians and children's health specialists since 2010, many having undergone the most extreme form of the procedure.

The data provides the first national picture, but is thought to be a gross underestimation of the actual number of cases.

The study's author Elizabeth Elliott, a professor in Paediatrics and Child Health, said of the 59 girls seen with FGM, eight were suffering complications.

"About 20 per cent of them had had infibulation — that is [the] removal of the clitoris — and external genitalia removed and sewing up of the opening," she said.

"Many of these girls were experiencing physical complications such as urinary tract infections, difficulty passing urine, difficulty with menstruation, but a lot of them were also suffering from psychological consequences of having had the procedure," she said.
Professor Elliott said most of the procedures on the girls were performed overseas.

"But we identified three Australian born children, two of whom had had the procedure performed in NSW and one of whom who had been taken to Indonesia to have this procedure performed," she said.

'Don't do it, it's child abuse'

When Sierra Leone woman Fatu Sillah was six years old she suffered horrific genital mutilation.

Professor in Paediatrics and Child Health, Elizabeth Elliott, says the problem in Australia is bigger than the study depicts.
PHOTO: Professor Elizabeth Elliott said the size of the problem is bigger than the study depicts. (ABC News: Billy Cooper)
"One of my mother's friends came and got me at my house and took me to their place and pretty much cut me off," Ms Sillah said.

"It took me six months to heal completely and ever since then my life has never been the same."

Since migrating to Australia, Ms Sillah has become educated on FGM and now campaigns publicly against the practice.

She said the study's findings made her angry.

"I feel really, really upset because this culture should have ended ages ago and still today young girls my age and younger are going through this and some people might even die from it, it is just awful," she said.

"Don't do it, don't practice it, and give people funding to fight for this cause, save kid's lives, it's child abuse."
Despite FGM being recognised as physical abuse under Australian law, only 13 of the girls were referred to or were being managed by child protection services.

Most girls were identified in refugee health clinics in major hospitals in Perth and Melbourne, were born in Africa and had the procedure performed in that country.

They ranged in age from 5 months to 18 years old.

Professor Elliot said although she was surprised at the number of cases, the size of the problem in Australia was bigger than the study depicted.

"We really have no idea of the prevalence and we suspect this is a gross underestimate of the number of girls who have been affected by this procedure," she said.

Upskilling of paediatricians and child health specialists needed

Professor Elliot said about 90 per cent of paediatricians and child health specialists surveyed said they would rarely ask about the procedure and about 60 per cent said they rarely examined patients for the procedure.

"One of the key questions for them to ask is 'Has the mother had the procedure done?'. That makes it far more likely that the child will also potentially have the procedure done," she said.

"There needs to be a revision of the policies so paediatricians are well aware of who is at risk, what they should be looking for, how they should be reporting these children to child protection authorities, and what are the legal imperatives involved."
The Royal Australasian College of Physicians said in a statement it "recognises female genital mutilation/cutting
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Education is a good start.

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At least she has a good set of BJ lips.
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So this is just one hospital in Sydney.

Karnal, so we have a tsunami of FGM?


Westmead Children's Hospital in Sydney, found almost 60 girls with FGM had been seen by paediatricians and children's health specialists since 2010, many having undergone the most extreme form of the procedure.



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Gordon wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 1:03pm:
So this is just one hospital in Sydney.

Karnal, so we have a tsunami of FGM?


Westmead Children's Hospital in Sydney, found almost 60 girls with FGM had been seen by paediatricians and children's health specialists since 2010, many having undergone the most extreme form of the procedure.






how many off that 60 had the procedure done overseas?
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Reply #5 - Jan 13th, 2017 at 1:17pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 12:51pm:
Education is a good start.

yes. 10 years in prison is a good start at education.
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John Smith wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 1:05pm:
Gordon wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 1:03pm:
So this is just one hospital in Sydney.

Karnal, so we have a tsunami of FGM?


Westmead Children's Hospital in Sydney, found almost 60 girls with FGM had been seen by paediatricians and children's health specialists since 2010, many having undergone the most extreme form of the procedure.






how many off that 60 had the procedure done overseas?
the article tells you that, although irrelevant.
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Many are taken out of Australia/OS to have this procedure done.
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Watch Karnal come along and do a David Copperfield on the numbers.
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rhino wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 1:17pm:
John Smith wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 1:05pm:
Gordon wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 1:03pm:
So this is just one hospital in Sydney.

Karnal, so we have a tsunami of FGM?


Westmead Children's Hospital in Sydney, found almost 60 girls with FGM had been seen by paediatricians and children's health specialists since 2010, many having undergone the most extreme form of the procedure.






how many off that 60 had the procedure done overseas?
the article tells you that, although irrelevant.


it's not irrelevant. You want Australia to somehow legislate for what happens overseas? What planet are you on?
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Gnads wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 1:41pm:
Many are taken out of Australia/OS to have this procedure done.


that needs to be stopped. Minimum 5 yrs jail for parents doing that would be a good start.
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John Smith wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 2:22pm:
rhino wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 1:17pm:
John Smith wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 1:05pm:
Gordon wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 1:03pm:
So this is just one hospital in Sydney.

Karnal, so we have a tsunami of FGM?


Westmead Children's Hospital in Sydney, found almost 60 girls with FGM had been seen by paediatricians and children's health specialists since 2010, many having undergone the most extreme form of the procedure.






how many off that 60 had the procedure done overseas?
the article tells you that, although irrelevant.


it's not irrelevant. You want Australia to somehow legislate for what happens overseas? What planet are you on?
there already is legislation for what happens overseas Einstein. Whether you take the child out of this country to commit the crime it is the same crime.
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Reply #12 - Jan 13th, 2017 at 2:43pm
 
Gordon wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 2:13pm:
Watch Karnal come along and do a David Copperfield on the numbers.


About 16% of children are genitally mutilated within Australia, Gordon.

Does this help?
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rhino wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 2:38pm:
John Smith wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 2:22pm:
rhino wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 1:17pm:
John Smith wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 1:05pm:
Gordon wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 1:03pm:
So this is just one hospital in Sydney.

Karnal, so we have a tsunami of FGM?


Westmead Children's Hospital in Sydney, found almost 60 girls with FGM had been seen by paediatricians and children's health specialists since 2010, many having undergone the most extreme form of the procedure.






how many off that 60 had the procedure done overseas?
the article tells you that, although irrelevant.


it's not irrelevant. You want Australia to somehow legislate for what happens overseas? What planet are you on?
there already is legislation for what happens overseas Einstein. Whether you take the child out of this country to commit the crime it is the same crime.


What Act is it covered by?

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About the number quoted in the article, that's from just one hospital right?

I'm assuming this has only come to the hospitals attention due to complications. I wonder what the actual number of childhood FGM victims would would be?
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greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 2:45pm:
rhino wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 2:38pm:
John Smith wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 2:22pm:
rhino wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 1:17pm:
John Smith wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 1:05pm:
Gordon wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 1:03pm:
So this is just one hospital in Sydney.

Karnal, so we have a tsunami of FGM?


Westmead Children's Hospital in Sydney, found almost 60 girls with FGM had been seen by paediatricians and children's health specialists since 2010, many having undergone the most extreme form of the procedure.






how many off that 60 had the procedure done overseas?
the article tells you that, although irrelevant.


it's not irrelevant. You want Australia to somehow legislate for what happens overseas? What planet are you on?
there already is legislation for what happens overseas Einstein. Whether you take the child out of this country to commit the crime it is the same crime.


What Act is it covered by?


https://www.ag.gov.au/publications/documents/reviewofaustraliasfemalegenitalmuti...

The legislation is there but we arent prosecuting.
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rhino wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 2:52pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 2:45pm:
rhino wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 2:38pm:
John Smith wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 2:22pm:
rhino wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 1:17pm:
John Smith wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 1:05pm:
Gordon wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 1:03pm:
So this is just one hospital in Sydney.

Karnal, so we have a tsunami of FGM?


Westmead Children's Hospital in Sydney, found almost 60 girls with FGM had been seen by paediatricians and children's health specialists since 2010, many having undergone the most extreme form of the procedure.






how many off that 60 had the procedure done overseas?
the article tells you that, although irrelevant.


it's not irrelevant. You want Australia to somehow legislate for what happens overseas? What planet are you on?
there already is legislation for what happens overseas Einstein. Whether you take the child out of this country to commit the crime it is the same crime.


What Act is it covered by?


https://www.ag.gov.au/publications/documents/reviewofaustraliasfemalegenitalmuti...

The legislation is there but we arent prosecuting.


The apologists (Karnal) will quote numbers for actual prosecutions to minimize, then try to steer the conversation to male circumcision.

Don't take the bait.
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Reply #17 - Jan 13th, 2017 at 2:56pm
 
rhino wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 2:52pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 2:45pm:
rhino wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 2:38pm:
John Smith wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 2:22pm:
rhino wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 1:17pm:
John Smith wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 1:05pm:
Gordon wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 1:03pm:
So this is just one hospital in Sydney.

Karnal, so we have a tsunami of FGM?


Westmead Children's Hospital in Sydney, found almost 60 girls with FGM had been seen by paediatricians and children's health specialists since 2010, many having undergone the most extreme form of the procedure.






how many off that 60 had the procedure done overseas?
the article tells you that, although irrelevant.


it's not irrelevant. You want Australia to somehow legislate for what happens overseas? What planet are you on?
there already is legislation for what happens overseas Einstein. Whether you take the child out of this country to commit the crime it is the same crime.


What Act is it covered by?


https://www.ag.gov.au/publications/documents/reviewofaustraliasfemalegenitalmuti...

The legislation is there but we arent prosecuting.


"At present, female genital mutilation is criminalised exclusively by State and Territory laws.

"All States and Territories have passed criminal legislation prohibiting female genital mutilation.

"Further, in each State and Territory, these laws apply extraterritorially to protect Australian residents from
being subjected to female genital mutilation overseas."



Turdball dragging his feet again.

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Gordon wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 2:55pm:

The apologists (Karnal) will quote numbers for actual prosecutions to minimize, then try to steer the conversation to male circumcision.

Don't take the bait.

60 girls seen in one hospital in Sydney alone. These people are barbarians. This needs to be classed as and prosecuted as child abuse of the worst sort. This doesnt need to be done on a federal level, the state legislation is already there with a possible 7 year jail term. Hand a few of those out and watch the numbers drop.
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rhino wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 2:58pm:
Gordon wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 2:55pm:

The apologists (Karnal) will quote numbers for actual prosecutions to minimize, then try to steer the conversation to male circumcision.

Don't take the bait.

60 girls seen in one hospital in Sydney alone. These people are barbarians. This needs to be classed as and prosecuted as child abuse of the worst sort.


60 girls noticed. How many have been subjected to FGM and not had complications, or simply had a sympathetic nurse or doctor attend to their child?
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Gordon wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 3:02pm:
rhino wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 2:58pm:
Gordon wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 2:55pm:

The apologists (Karnal) will quote numbers for actual prosecutions to minimize, then try to steer the conversation to male circumcision.

Don't take the bait.

60 girls seen in one hospital in Sydney alone. These people are barbarians. This needs to be classed as and prosecuted as child abuse of the worst sort.


60 girls noticed. How many have been subjected to FGM and not had complications, or simply had a sympathetic nurse or doctor attend to their child?
yes. Tip of the iceberg. Appears not having fgm is the exception rather than the rule amongst females in our middle eastern community. Good way to stop intermarriage as well. No Western man wants a woman with her clit cut out. These are the animals people like Pecca and Mothra will defend down to their last soy latte.
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Reply #21 - Jan 13th, 2017 at 4:25pm
 
rhino wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 3:06pm:
Gordon wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 3:02pm:
rhino wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 2:58pm:
Gordon wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 2:55pm:

The apologists (Karnal) will quote numbers for actual prosecutions to minimize, then try to steer the conversation to male circumcision.

Don't take the bait.

60 girls seen in one hospital in Sydney alone. These people are barbarians. This needs to be classed as and prosecuted as child abuse of the worst sort.


60 girls noticed. How many have been subjected to FGM and not had complications, or simply had a sympathetic nurse or doctor attend to their child?
yes. Tip of the iceberg. Appears not having fgm is the exception rather than the rule amongst females in our middle eastern community. Good way to stop intermarriage as well. No Western man wants a woman with her clit cut out. These are the animals people like Pecca and Mothra will defend down to their last soy latte.




The exception rather than the rule ... lol.

And i've never defended FGM or anyone who performs it, you sad, desperate little man.

I've actively campaigned against it for more than 20 years.

What have you done, aside from Muslim bash?
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rhino wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 2:38pm:
there already is legislation for what happens overseas Einstein. Whether you take the child out of this country to commit the crime it is the same crime.


No, the legislation is for what happens in Australia. We cannot make legislation for other countries, you doofus.
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rhino wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 3:06pm:
These are the animals people like Pecca and Mothra will defend down to their last soy latte.


My posts in this thread clearly show otherwise.

Try harder, Rhino.

While you might be willing to bend over backwards to defend child rapists, sexual predators, tax dodgers, and violent thugs, the lefties on here do no such thing.

What am I saying, "might be"?  You DO!

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greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 4:29pm:
rhino wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 3:06pm:
These are the animals people like Pecca and Mothra will defend down to their last soy latte.


My posts in this thread clearly show otherwise.

Try harder, Rhino.

While you might be willing to bend over backwards to defend child rapists, sexual predators, tax dodgers, and violent thugs, the lefties on here do no such thing.

What am I saying, "might be"?  You DO!




To add to that, i get the strong impression that people such as Rhino and Hammer use such acts of barbarity as FGM to do nothing more than Muslim bash.

That is their sole focus.

Try mentioning that Christians do it too That always goes down well.
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John Smith wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 4:29pm:
rhino wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 2:38pm:
there already is legislation for what happens overseas Einstein. Whether you take the child out of this country to commit the crime it is the same crime.


No, the legislation is for what happens in Australia. We cannot make legislation for other countries, you doofus.


Not true.
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Gordon wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 4:37pm:
John Smith wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 4:29pm:
rhino wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 2:38pm:
there already is legislation for what happens overseas Einstein. Whether you take the child out of this country to commit the crime it is the same crime.


No, the legislation is for what happens in Australia. We cannot make legislation for other countries, you doofus.


Not true.


Good luck finding Australian legislation that bans FGM in any other country then ... you might be looking for a while.
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John Smith wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 4:39pm:
Gordon wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 4:37pm:
John Smith wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 4:29pm:
rhino wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 2:38pm:
there already is legislation for what happens overseas Einstein. Whether you take the child out of this country to commit the crime it is the same crime.


No, the legislation is for what happens in Australia. We cannot make legislation for other countries, you doofus.


Not true.


Good luck finding Australian legislation that bans FGM in any other country then ... you might be looking for a while.


Pedos can be charged in Australia irrespective of where the offense occurs, same for attempting to remove a child to another country for underage marriage.

A stroke of the pen could make taking girls overseas for an FGM holiday just as illegal. I have no idea why this law is not in place now.
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Gordon wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 4:47pm:
John Smith wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 4:39pm:
Gordon wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 4:37pm:
John Smith wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 4:29pm:
rhino wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 2:38pm:
there already is legislation for what happens overseas Einstein. Whether you take the child out of this country to commit the crime it is the same crime.


No, the legislation is for what happens in Australia. We cannot make legislation for other countries, you doofus.


Not true.


Good luck finding Australian legislation that bans FGM in any other country then ... you might be looking for a while.


Pedos can be charged in Australia irrespective of where the offense occurs, same for attempting to remove a child to another country for underage marriage.

A stroke of the pen could make taking girls overseas for an FGM holiday just as illegal. I have no idea why this law is not in place now.


"At present, female genital mutilation is criminalised exclusively by State and Territory laws.

"All States and Territories have passed criminal legislation prohibiting female genital mutilation.

"Further, in each State and Territory, these laws apply extraterritorially to protect Australian residents from
being subjected to female genital mutilation overseas
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I think the entire family should be deported if this disgusting act is carried out on a child, if possible. THAT would send a very CLEAR message to all whatever cultural or religious background they are from!
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John Smith wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 4:29pm:
rhino wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 2:38pm:
there already is legislation for what happens overseas Einstein. Whether you take the child out of this country to commit the crime it is the same crime.


No, the legislation is for what happens in Australia. We cannot make legislation for other countries, you doofus.
I just posted it twit. Its illegal to remove a child overseas for FGM. jeez youre thick.
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Reply #31 - Jan 13th, 2017 at 5:45pm
 
Gordon wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 4:47pm:
John Smith wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 4:39pm:
Gordon wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 4:37pm:
John Smith wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 4:29pm:
rhino wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 2:38pm:
there already is legislation for what happens overseas Einstein. Whether you take the child out of this country to commit the crime it is the same crime.


No, the legislation is for what happens in Australia. We cannot make legislation for other countries, you doofus.


Not true.


Good luck finding Australian legislation that bans FGM in any other country then ... you might be looking for a while.


Pedos can be charged in Australia irrespective of where the offense occurs, same for attempting to remove a child to another country for underage marriage.

A stroke of the pen could make taking girls overseas for an FGM holiday just as illegal. I have no idea why this law is not in place now.

The laws are in place now, as I posted, just not being enforced by the states. Probably because people like Mothra and Pecca lobby them to ignore it.
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Reply #32 - Jan 13th, 2017 at 5:54pm
 
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Westmead Children's Hospital in Sydney, found almost 60 girls with FGM had been seen by paediatricians and children's health specialists since 2010, many having undergone the most extreme form of the procedure.


This happening to any child is unfortunate.

However, to prevent the usual tide of Islamophobia, lets point out that FGM is not a wholly Islamic practice - it occurres across sub-Saharan Africa, amongst Christian, Pagan and Islamic societies.

Further, lets put this into proportion.  60 children being seen over six years is an average of 10 kids a year, so hardly a "tsunami".  And as these the overwhelming number of these operations occurred overseas, before the children or their parents became Australian citizens, it is unfair to prosecute them for them now.  Much better to provide education and help, to overcome the problems they will be faced with.

How to stop these occurances?  A much more difficult question and while punishment is an obvious answer, it isn't always the best one.  Education over there and here, would be better.  Much better.   
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Reply #33 - Jan 13th, 2017 at 6:01pm
 
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How to stop these occurances?  A much more difficult question and while punishment is an obvious answer, it isn't always the best one.  Education over there and here, would be better.  Much better.   


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Reply #34 - Jan 13th, 2017 at 6:05pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 5:54pm:
Gordon wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 1:03pm:
Westmead Children's Hospital in Sydney, found almost 60 girls with FGM had been seen by paediatricians and children's health specialists since 2010, many having undergone the most extreme form of the procedure.


This happening to any child is unfortunate.

However, to prevent the usual tide of Islamophobia, lets point out that FGM is not a wholly Islamic practice - it occurres across sub-Saharan Africa, amongst Christian, Pagan and Islamic societies.

Further, lets put this into proportion.  60 children being seen over six years is an average of 10 kids a year, so hardly a "tsunami".  And as these the overwhelming number of these operations occurred overseas, before the children or their parents became Australian citizens, it is unfair to prosecute them for them now.  Much better to provide education and help, to overcome the problems they will be faced with.

How to stop these occurances?  A much more difficult question and while punishment is an obvious answer, it isn't always the best one.  Education over there and here, would be better.  Much better.   


Brian,  that's from just one hospital and it isn't a definitive number,  only what's been noticed.
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Reply #35 - Jan 13th, 2017 at 6:23pm
 
Gordon wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 6:05pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 5:54pm:
Gordon wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 1:03pm:
Westmead Children's Hospital in Sydney, found almost 60 girls with FGM had been seen by paediatricians and children's health specialists since 2010, many having undergone the most extreme form of the procedure.


This happening to any child is unfortunate.

However, to prevent the usual tide of Islamophobia, lets point out that FGM is not a wholly Islamic practice - it occurres across sub-Saharan Africa, amongst Christian, Pagan and Islamic societies.

Further, lets put this into proportion.  60 children being seen over six years is an average of 10 kids a year, so hardly a "tsunami".  And as these the overwhelming number of these operations occurred overseas, before the children or their parents became Australian citizens, it is unfair to prosecute them for them now.  Much better to provide education and help, to overcome the problems they will be faced with.

How to stop these occurances?  A much more difficult question and while punishment is an obvious answer, it isn't always the best one.  Education over there and here, would be better.  Much better.   


Brian,  that's from just one hospital and it isn't a definitive number,  only what's been noticed.


So, you think there are more, from other hospitals, right across Australia, Gordon?  Really?   Roll Eyes
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Reply #36 - Jan 13th, 2017 at 7:22pm
 
rhino wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 5:44pm:
John Smith wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 4:29pm:
rhino wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 2:38pm:
there already is legislation for what happens overseas Einstein. Whether you take the child out of this country to commit the crime it is the same crime.


No, the legislation is for what happens in Australia. We cannot make legislation for other countries, you doofus.
I just posted it twit. Its illegal to remove a child overseas for FGM. jeez youre thick.


you are such a fool and for some reason you set out to prove it each and every day.

Of course it's illegal to remove kids from Australia for the purposes of FGM ... that's legislation covering Australia. What I said was that Australia cannot make laws for other countries.

Lets see if you can figure out the difference yet.
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Reply #37 - Jan 13th, 2017 at 8:29pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 6:23pm:
Gordon wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 6:05pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 5:54pm:
Gordon wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 1:03pm:
Westmead Children's Hospital in Sydney, found almost 60 girls with FGM had been seen by paediatricians and children's health specialists since 2010, many having undergone the most extreme form of the procedure.


This happening to any child is unfortunate.

However, to prevent the usual tide of Islamophobia, lets point out that FGM is not a wholly Islamic practice - it occurres across sub-Saharan Africa, amongst Christian, Pagan and Islamic societies.

Further, lets put this into proportion.  60 children being seen over six years is an average of 10 kids a year, so hardly a "tsunami".  And as these the overwhelming number of these operations occurred overseas, before the children or their parents became Australian citizens, it is unfair to prosecute them for them now.  Much better to provide education and help, to overcome the problems they will be faced with.

How to stop these occurances?  A much more difficult question and while punishment is an obvious answer, it isn't always the best one.  Education over there and here, would be better.  Much better.   


Brian,  that's from just one hospital and it isn't a definitive number,  only what's been noticed.


So, you think there are more, from other hospitals, right across Australia, Gordon?  Really?   Roll Eyes


Brian, I just watched the ABCTV news report and they said the fear is the numbers are much greater than what's in the report.  Hope this helps
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It looks like now many more millions need to be spent to try to fruitlessly kerb this.
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Reply #39 - Jan 13th, 2017 at 8:31pm
 
Gordon wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 8:29pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 6:23pm:
Gordon wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 6:05pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 5:54pm:
Gordon wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 1:03pm:
Westmead Children's Hospital in Sydney, found almost 60 girls with FGM had been seen by paediatricians and children's health specialists since 2010, many having undergone the most extreme form of the procedure.


This happening to any child is unfortunate.

However, to prevent the usual tide of Islamophobia, lets point out that FGM is not a wholly Islamic practice - it occurres across sub-Saharan Africa, amongst Christian, Pagan and Islamic societies.

Further, lets put this into proportion.  60 children being seen over six years is an average of 10 kids a year, so hardly a "tsunami".  And as these the overwhelming number of these operations occurred overseas, before the children or their parents became Australian citizens, it is unfair to prosecute them for them now.  Much better to provide education and help, to overcome the problems they will be faced with.

How to stop these occurances?  A much more difficult question and while punishment is an obvious answer, it isn't always the best one.  Education over there and here, would be better.  Much better.   


Brian,  that's from just one hospital and it isn't a definitive number,  only what's been noticed.


So, you think there are more, from other hospitals, right across Australia, Gordon?  Really?   Roll Eyes


Brian, I just watched the ABCTV news report and they said the fear is the numbers are much greater than what's in the report.  Hope this helps


Of course that would be a fear.

Is it a rational fear, though?

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Reply #40 - Jan 13th, 2017 at 8:33pm
 
The data provides the first national picture, but is thought to be a gross underestimation of the actual number of cases.

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2017-01-13/report-on-female-genital-mutilation-shows-hidden-prevalence/8180340?pfmredir=sm
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Reply #41 - Jan 13th, 2017 at 8:34pm
 
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The data provides the first national picture, but is thought to be a gross underestimation of the actual number of cases.



Based on ...
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greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 8:34pm:
Gordon wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 8:33pm:
The data provides the first national picture, but is thought to be a gross underestimation of the actual number of cases.



Based on ...


The opinion of the professionals who wrote the report.
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Gordon wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 8:36pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 8:34pm:
Gordon wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 8:33pm:
The data provides the first national picture, but is thought to be a gross underestimation of the actual number of cases.



Based on ...


The opinion of the professionals who wrote the report.


And their opinion is based on ...
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greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 8:38pm:
Gordon wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 8:36pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 8:34pm:
Gordon wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 8:33pm:
The data provides the first national picture, but is thought to be a gross underestimation of the actual number of cases.



Based on ...


The opinion of the professionals who wrote the report.


And their opinion is based on ...


Post a link which refutes or pissoff
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Gordon wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 8:39pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 8:38pm:
Gordon wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 8:36pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 8:34pm:
Gordon wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 8:33pm:
The data provides the first national picture, but is thought to be a gross underestimation of the actual number of cases.



Based on ...


The opinion of the professionals who wrote the report.


And their opinion is based on ...


Post a link which refutes or pissoff


The onus is on you.

Their opinion is based on ...
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Reply #46 - Jan 13th, 2017 at 8:41pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 8:40pm:
Gordon wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 8:39pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 8:38pm:
Gordon wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 8:36pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 8:34pm:
Gordon wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 8:33pm:
The data provides the first national picture, but is thought to be a gross underestimation of the actual number of cases.



Based on ...


The opinion of the professionals who wrote the report.


And their opinion is based on ...


Post a link which refutes or pissoff


The onus is on you.

Their opinion is based on ...


Smiley  I've posted a link.
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Reply #47 - Jan 13th, 2017 at 8:42pm
 
Gordon wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 8:41pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 8:40pm:
Gordon wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 8:39pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 8:38pm:
Gordon wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 8:36pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 8:34pm:
Gordon wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 8:33pm:
The data provides the first national picture, but is thought to be a gross underestimation of the actual number of cases.



Based on ...


The opinion of the professionals who wrote the report.


And their opinion is based on ...


Post a link which refutes or pissoff


The onus is on you.

Their opinion is based on ...


Smiley  I've posted a link.


Not good enough.

Your white flag has been accepted.
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We'll trust the opinions of Westmead children's hospital.

That's all.  Smiley
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Reply #49 - Jan 13th, 2017 at 8:54pm
 
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Education is a good start.





Anyone who does that to their daughter should be hanged.

hang em high.
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Bobby. wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 8:54pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 12:51pm:
Education is a good start.





Anyone who does that to their daughter should be hanged.

hang em high.


They use a rusty knife

.Now an adult in Adelaide, Ms Gbla is Australia's public face of anti-FGM activism.

Her mission is to speak of the unspeakable, so she doesn't spare the details.

"I still remember the knife because it was so orange, you know when something hasn't seen sunlight or water, really dirty and rusty, " Ms Gbla said

"My mum dragged me towards the hut and within a twinkling of the eye she had my clothes off and pinned me down on the floor.

"This old lady came towards me and she grabbed hold of what I now know to be my clitoris.

"Interesting, it doesn't even have a name in my language, but it is so hated. She grabbed hold of it and then she started cutting away inch by inch.
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Reply #51 - Jan 13th, 2017 at 9:42pm
 
Gordon wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 9:26pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 8:54pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 12:51pm:
Education is a good start.





Anyone who does that to their daughter should be hanged.

hang em high.


They use a rusty knife

.Now an adult in Adelaide, Ms Gbla is Australia's public face of anti-FGM activism.

Her mission is to speak of the unspeakable, so she doesn't spare the details.

"I still remember the knife because it was so orange, you know when something hasn't seen sunlight or water, really dirty and rusty, " Ms Gbla said

"My mum dragged me towards the hut and within a twinkling of the eye she had my clothes off and pinned me down on the floor.

"This old lady came towards me and she grabbed hold of what I now know to be my clitoris.

"Interesting, it doesn't even have a name in my language, but it is so hated. She grabbed hold of it and then she started cutting away inch by inch.



The world is a sick place -

it must be the End Times.
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Reply #52 - Jan 13th, 2017 at 9:46pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 9:42pm:
The world is a sick place -

it must be the End Times.


It's always been the end times Bobby, ever since it started.
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Setanta wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 9:46pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 9:42pm:
The world is a sick place -

it must be the End Times.


It's always been the end times Bobby, ever since it started.


Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning.
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Reply #54 - Jan 13th, 2017 at 10:23pm
 
Gordon wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 9:48pm:
Setanta wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 9:46pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 9:42pm:
The world is a sick place -

it must be the End Times.


It's always been the end times Bobby, ever since it started.


Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning.



You're both right.
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Reply #55 - Jan 13th, 2017 at 11:43pm
 
rhino wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 5:45pm:
Gordon wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 4:47pm:
John Smith wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 4:39pm:
Gordon wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 4:37pm:
John Smith wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 4:29pm:
rhino wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 2:38pm:
there already is legislation for what happens overseas Einstein. Whether you take the child out of this country to commit the crime it is the same crime.


No, the legislation is for what happens in Australia. We cannot make legislation for other countries, you doofus.


Not true.


Good luck finding Australian legislation that bans FGM in any other country then ... you might be looking for a while.


Pedos can be charged in Australia irrespective of where the offense occurs, same for attempting to remove a child to another country for underage marriage.

A stroke of the pen could make taking girls overseas for an FGM holiday just as illegal. I have no idea why this law is not in place now.

The laws are in place now, as I posted, just not being enforced by the states. Probably because people like Mothra and Pecca lobby them to ignore it.


No, dear, probably because the police don't do routine clit checks.

Do you?
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Gordon wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 2:50pm:
About the number quoted in the article, that's from just one hospital right?

I'm assuming this has only come to the hospitals attention due to complications.


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Reply #57 - Jan 14th, 2017 at 6:48am
 
Bobby. wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 8:54pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 12:51pm:
Education is a good start.





Anyone who does that to their daughter should be hanged.

hang em high.


I think a more effective solution would be to carry out the same practice on any man associated with this barbaric practice
IE
Cut off the male genitalia so they get the same pleasure that females get

Might evencut down on the ever growing numbers of this barbaric Cult

Sick bastards
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Just reading the paper this morning and the actual numbers of women subjected to this horrible act is astounding.

Can any of you apologists please explain to me how destroying a woman's pleasure in a beautiful act such as sex is morally acceptable?

Can any of you apologists explain the reasoning behind this barbaric practice, why do women have their genitalia destroyed and yet the men remain intact?

Can anyone apologist or otherwise justify this horrible act in any way?

Now we also find out that many hundreds of girls, some as young as
9
are being married to pedophiles both in Australia and sent overseas to pedophiles in other countries.

And the apologists say that this is a religion of peace, of respect for women, YOU HAVE TO BE KIDDING.

This dreadful CULT needs to be eliminated and its cultists brought to justice and bared before the world for the barbaric, pedophile, terror it is.
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Reply #59 - Jan 15th, 2017 at 6:06pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 12:51pm:
Education is a good start.



So is serious jail time for parents who permit it.
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John Smith wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 2:22pm:
rhino wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 1:17pm:
John Smith wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 1:05pm:
Gordon wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 1:03pm:
So this is just one hospital in Sydney.

Karnal, so we have a tsunami of FGM?


Westmead Children's Hospital in Sydney, found almost 60 girls with FGM had been seen by paediatricians and children's health specialists since 2010, many having undergone the most extreme form of the procedure.






how many off that 60 had the procedure done overseas?
the article tells you that, although irrelevant.


it's not irrelevant. You want Australia to somehow legislate for what happens overseas? What planet are you on?



We legislated against child sex tourism and the crimes are still committed overseas but they can be charged HERE.  make this the same thing. Both are child abuse.
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mothra wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 4:25pm:
rhino wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 3:06pm:
Gordon wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 3:02pm:
rhino wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 2:58pm:
Gordon wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 2:55pm:

The apologists (Karnal) will quote numbers for actual prosecutions to minimize, then try to steer the conversation to male circumcision.

Don't take the bait.

60 girls seen in one hospital in Sydney alone. These people are barbarians. This needs to be classed as and prosecuted as child abuse of the worst sort.


60 girls noticed. How many have been subjected to FGM and not had complications, or simply had a sympathetic nurse or doctor attend to their child?
yes. Tip of the iceberg. Appears not having fgm is the exception rather than the rule amongst females in our middle eastern community. Good way to stop intermarriage as well. No Western man wants a woman with her clit cut out. These are the animals people like Pecca and Mothra will defend down to their last soy latte.




The exception rather than the rule ... lol.

And i've never defended FGM or anyone who performs it, you sad, desperate little man.

I've actively campaigned against it for more than 20 years.

What have you done, aside from Muslim bash?


and yet in another thread you were tellling us all how FREE and SAFE muslim women are.  Is this an examnple of their freedom and safety?
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greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 8:38pm:
Gordon wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 8:36pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 8:34pm:
Gordon wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 8:33pm:
The data provides the first national picture, but is thought to be a gross underestimation of the actual number of cases.



Based on ...


The opinion of the professionals who wrote the report.


And their opinion is based on ...


something called 'professional experience'. Maybe you've heard of it?  Or do you beleive that the only speeders on our roads are those actually caught and fined? POlice believe this to be an 'underestimation of the number of speeders'

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longweekend58 wrote on Jan 15th, 2017 at 6:08pm:
John Smith wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 2:22pm:
rhino wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 1:17pm:
John Smith wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 1:05pm:
Gordon wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 1:03pm:
So this is just one hospital in Sydney.

Karnal, so we have a tsunami of FGM?


Westmead Children's Hospital in Sydney, found almost 60 girls with FGM had been seen by paediatricians and children's health specialists since 2010, many having undergone the most extreme form of the procedure.






how many off that 60 had the procedure done overseas?
the article tells you that, although irrelevant.


it's not irrelevant. You want Australia to somehow legislate for what happens overseas? What planet are you on?



We legislated against child sex tourism and the crimes are still committed overseas but they can be charged HERE.  make this the same thing. Both are child abuse.


not quite the same thing ... child sex is already illegal in those countries.
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I think the procedure should be banned across the world. 

But then, we have to look in context.  Muslim Australians makes about by 2011 census makes up about 2.5% of the population.  Meaning around  500,000.  So about 60/500,000, is hardly a tsunami.  Its concerning of course.  And you can bet that most of it is done outside of Australia, as the same procedure is illegal in Australia unless for medical reasons. 

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tickleandrose wrote on Jan 16th, 2017 at 11:14am:
I think the procedure should be banned across the world. 

But then, we have to look in context.  Muslim Australians makes about by 2011 census makes up about 2.5% of the population.  Meaning around  500,000.  So about 60/500,000, is hardly a tsunami.  Its concerning of course.  And you can bet that most of it is done outside of Australia, as the same procedure is illegal in Australia unless for medical reasons. 



This isn't a definitive number, only what has been noticed at just one hospital. Girls don't regularly have their genitals examined.
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longweekend58 wrote on Jan 15th, 2017 at 6:10pm:
mothra wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 4:25pm:
rhino wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 3:06pm:
Gordon wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 3:02pm:
rhino wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 2:58pm:
Gordon wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 2:55pm:

The apologists (Karnal) will quote numbers for actual prosecutions to minimize, then try to steer the conversation to male circumcision.

Don't take the bait.

60 girls seen in one hospital in Sydney alone. These people are barbarians. This needs to be classed as and prosecuted as child abuse of the worst sort.


60 girls noticed. How many have been subjected to FGM and not had complications, or simply had a sympathetic nurse or doctor attend to their child?
yes. Tip of the iceberg. Appears not having fgm is the exception rather than the rule amongst females in our middle eastern community. Good way to stop intermarriage as well. No Western man wants a woman with her clit cut out. These are the animals people like Pecca and Mothra will defend down to their last soy latte.




The exception rather than the rule ... lol.

And i've never defended FGM or anyone who performs it, you sad, desperate little man.

I've actively campaigned against it for more than 20 years.

What have you done, aside from Muslim bash?


and yet in another thread you were tellling us all how FREE and SAFE muslim women are.  Is this an examnple of their freedom and safety?



I said that about all Muslim women, did i?

Talk about intellectual inflexibility Shocked.
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Gordon wrote on Jan 16th, 2017 at 11:26am:
tickleandrose wrote on Jan 16th, 2017 at 11:14am:
I think the procedure should be banned across the world. 

But then, we have to look in context.  Muslim Australians makes about by 2011 census makes up about 2.5% of the population.  Meaning around  500,000.  So about 60/500,000, is hardly a tsunami.  Its concerning of course.  And you can bet that most of it is done outside of Australia, as the same procedure is illegal in Australia unless for medical reasons. 



This isn't a definitive number, only what has been noticed at just one hospital. Girls don't regularly have their genitals examined.


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Gordon wrote on Jan 16th, 2017 at 11:26am:
tickleandrose wrote on Jan 16th, 2017 at 11:14am:
I think the procedure should be banned across the world. 

But then, we have to look in context.  Muslim Australians makes about by 2011 census makes up about 2.5% of the population.  Meaning around  500,000.  So about 60/500,000, is hardly a tsunami.  Its concerning of course.  And you can bet that most of it is done outside of Australia, as the same procedure is illegal in Australia unless for medical reasons. 



This isn't a definitive number, only what has been noticed at just one hospital. Girls don't regularly have their genitals examined.


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mothra wrote on Jan 16th, 2017 at 11:42am:
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 15th, 2017 at 6:10pm:
mothra wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 4:25pm:
rhino wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 3:06pm:
Gordon wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 3:02pm:
rhino wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 2:58pm:
Gordon wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 2:55pm:

The apologists (Karnal) will quote numbers for actual prosecutions to minimize, then try to steer the conversation to male circumcision.

Don't take the bait.

60 girls seen in one hospital in Sydney alone. These people are barbarians. This needs to be classed as and prosecuted as child abuse of the worst sort.


60 girls noticed. How many have been subjected to FGM and not had complications, or simply had a sympathetic nurse or doctor attend to their child?
yes. Tip of the iceberg. Appears not having fgm is the exception rather than the rule amongst females in our middle eastern community. Good way to stop intermarriage as well. No Western man wants a woman with her clit cut out. These are the animals people like Pecca and Mothra will defend down to their last soy latte.




The exception rather than the rule ... lol.

And i've never defended FGM or anyone who performs it, you sad, desperate little man.

I've actively campaigned against it for more than 20 years.

What have you done, aside from Muslim bash?


and yet in another thread you were tellling us all how FREE and SAFE muslim women are.  Is this an examnple of their freedom and safety?



I said that about all Muslim women, did i?

Talk about intellectual inflexibility Shocked.


Mothra, what are your thoughts on the extent of the FGM problem in Australia? The Australian paediatric surveillance unit at Westmead Children's Hospital suggest:

The data provides the first national picture, but is thought to be a gross underestimation of the actual number of cases.
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The data provides the first national picture, but is thought to be a gross underestimation of the actual number of cases.


"thought to be"

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A survey conducted by Professor Elizabeth Elliott shows that 10 per cent of paediatricians surveyed have seen a girl with FGM.

One of the most recognised risk factors for FGM is when a girl is born to a mother who herself has had FGM. Analysis of ABS and UNICEF data suggests that there are 83,000 women and girls in Australia who may have been subjected to FGM. Around 5,640 girls under the age of 15 may be in danger, and 1,100 girls are born every year to women who may have had FGM. This means that three girls a day are born in Australia who are at high risk of being subjected to FGM.


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-22/ferrari-fgm-in-australia/6794278
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Gordon wrote on Jan 16th, 2017 at 12:56pm:
A survey conducted by Professor Elizabeth Elliott shows that 10 per cent of paediatricians surveyed have seen a girl with FGM.

One of the most recognised risk factors for FGM is when a girl is born to a mother who herself has had FGM. Analysis of ABS and UNICEF data suggests that there are 83,000 women and girls in Australia who may have been subjected to FGM. Around 5,640 girls under the age of 15 may be in danger, and 1,100 girls are born every year to women who may have had FGM. This means that three girls a day are born in Australia who are at high risk of being subjected to FGM.


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-22/ferrari-fgm-in-australia/6794278



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greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 16th, 2017 at 12:47pm:
Gordon wrote on Jan 16th, 2017 at 12:46pm:
The data provides the first national picture, but is thought to be a gross underestimation of the actual number of cases.


"thought to be"

Based on what?



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Still the apologists plead ignorance.
They refuse to see the elephant in the room.
No other culture, religion or even CULT practices these barbaric acts.

Answer the following if you dare.
If you don't, you obviously agree with this practice and are part of the problem.
All it requires for EVIL to succeed is for good men to do nothing.

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Can any of you apologists please explain to me how destroying a woman's pleasure in a beautiful act such as sex is morally acceptable?

Can any of you apologists explain the reasoning behind this barbaric practice, why do women have their genitalia destroyed and yet the men remain intact?

Can anyone apologist or otherwise justify this horrible act in any way?

Now we also find out that many hundreds of girls, some as young as 9 are being married to pedophiles both in Australia and sent overseas to pedophiles in other countries.

And the apologists say that this is a religion of peace, of respect for women, YOU HAVE TO BE KIDDING.

This dreadful CULT needs to be eliminated and its cultists brought to justice and bared before the world for the barbaric, pedophile, terror it is.
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Valkie wrote on Jan 16th, 2017 at 6:41pm:
Still the apologists plead ignorance.
They refuse to see the elephant in the room.
No other culture, religion or even CULT practices these barbaric acts.

Answer the following if you dare.
If you don't, you obviously agree with this practice and are part of the problem.
All it requires for EVIL to succeed is for good men to do nothing.

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Can any of you apologists please explain to me how destroying a woman's pleasure in a beautiful act such as sex is morally acceptable?

Can any of you apologists explain the reasoning behind this barbaric practice, why do women have their genitalia destroyed and yet the men remain intact?

Can anyone apologist or otherwise justify this horrible act in any way?

Now we also find out that many hundreds of girls, some as young as 9 are being married to pedophiles both in Australia and sent overseas to pedophiles in other countries.

And the apologists say that this is a religion of peace, of respect for women, YOU HAVE TO BE KIDDING.

This dreadful CULT needs to be eliminated and its cultists brought to justice and bared before the world for the barbaric, pedophile, terror it is.


Nobody in here is saying that FGM is morally acceptable.

Not one single person.



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And yet you post apologetic responses.

You dispute the documented facts by intimating that there is some doubt as to the numbers.

The numbers don't matter a damn, even 1 FGM is too many, and yet this CULT practices it on a daily basis.

They marry underage children, this is a fact.
They do FGM on many young girls.
They send young girls off to marry pedophiles.

HOW THE HELL CAN YOU POSSIBLY DEFEND THIS CULT?
HOW???????

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 16th, 2017 at 12:59pm:
Gordon wrote on Jan 16th, 2017 at 12:56pm:
A survey conducted by Professor Elizabeth Elliott shows that 10 per cent of paediatricians surveyed have seen a girl with FGM.

One of the most recognised risk factors for FGM is when a girl is born to a mother who herself has had FGM. Analysis of ABS and UNICEF data suggests that there are 83,000 women and girls in Australia who may have been subjected to FGM. Around 5,640 girls under the age of 15 may be in danger, and 1,100 girls are born every year to women who may have had FGM. This means that three girls a day are born in Australia who are at high risk of being subjected to FGM.


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-22/ferrari-fgm-in-australia/6794278



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Valkie wrote on Jan 16th, 2017 at 6:49pm:
And yet you post apologetic responses.


Nope.

Lying isn't going to help you, Valkie.

I condemn FGM.

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Valkie wrote on Jan 16th, 2017 at 6:49pm:
They marry underage children, this is a fact.
They do FGM on many young girls.
They send young girls off to marry pedophiles.


Not all of them, Valkie.

Only a very small minority (all of whom, I condemn unconditionally).

You can't condemn all Muslims for the actions of just a few.

You're being completely irrational.

It's the same old "all Muslims are terrorists, and all terrorists are Muslims" lie.

You need a new shtick, old boy.

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greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 16th, 2017 at 6:59pm:
Valkie wrote on Jan 16th, 2017 at 6:49pm:
They marry underage children, this is a fact.
They do FGM on many young girls.
They send young girls off to marry pedophiles.


Not all of them, Valkie.

Only a very small minority (all of whom, I condemn unconditionally).

You can't condemn all Muslims for the actions of just a few.

You're being completely irrational.

It's the same old "all Muslims are terrorists, and all terrorists are Muslims" lie.

You need a new shtick, old boy.



Again you hide behind numbers.

Even 1 is too many, far far too many.

Yes I blame ALL muzzos, Why you ask?
Its simple really.

No other religion does this, only Muzzos, and by the number of them, quite a few.
Those who don't do it and know about it are just as culpable as those who do it.
The fact that they accept it as NORMAL, makes them just as bad, they could, if they had the intestinal fortitude, stop it.
But they are all cowards who refuse to go against their religious leaders.

This barbaric act and the pedophile behavior of many is also fact and only a part of this CULT.
It is common practice by pedos in this CULT to breed poor young girls to sell off, give away for favors or to simply get in good with the leaders.
Its not, as you lament, a few.
It is in fact chronic, so called moderates practice this despicable activity, so again, if they dont try to change things, they are just as bad.

Where are all the calls by Moderate Muzzo leaders and muzzo men calling for these things to stop?
Oh the silence is deafening.
Where are the reports to police of those who participate?
Again the silence is deafening.

This CULT is abhorrent, it is primitive, it is brutal, it is not compatible with civilized society.

You seek to defend them......Why?
What is in it for you?

You may know a few muzzos, they lie to you, its a part of their religion.

I have been to countries where this religion is dominant or becoming so.
It is a brutal, xenophobic, women hating, draconian hateful existence.
In every country I visited, there was constant fear, constant distrust and overarching poverty.
The people hate each other and everyone, simply because they fear everyone.
Brutality and draconian punishment is everywhere.
I watched a man dragged from his house and have his hand and foot cut off with a hatchet for some crime.
I pleaded with the driver to get me out of there, I didn't need to see this brutality.
He could not move for fear of the "Authorities" who had stopped all traffic so as to make a scene of example.

You want this barbarism in Australia?
You want this draconian system where homosexuals are murdered daily, where girls who a raped are beaten to death, where hands and feet are cut off for minor crimes, where pedophilia, murder, honor killing are the norm?

I feel sad for you that you would want these things.
I feel that something is missing from your life, your soul, your mind perhaps.
I feel sad that you hate your country, that you hate the human race so much that you would wish hell upon them.

Perhaps life has done you tough, so what, it has done us all tough.
But you could at least open your eyes and see the horror that this CUILT brings and IS.

You are a lost cause to me.
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Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 2:43pm:
Gordon wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 2:13pm:
Watch Karnal come along and do a David Copperfield on the numbers.


About 16% of children are genitally mutilated within Australia, Gordon.

Does this help?

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mothra wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 4:34pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 4:29pm:
rhino wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 3:06pm:
These are the animals people like Pecca and Mothra will defend down to their last soy latte.


My posts in this thread clearly show otherwise.

Try harder, Rhino.

While you might be willing to bend over backwards to defend child rapists, sexual predators, tax dodgers, and violent thugs, the lefties on here do no such thing.

What am I saying, "might be"?  You DO!




To add to that, i get the strong impression that people such as Rhino and Hammer use such acts of barbarity as FGM to do nothing more than Muslim bash.

That is their sole focus.

Try mentioning that Christians do it too That always goes down well.



All you have done there is prove that FGM is a cultural/tribal practice carried out by peoples from the African continent.

These people mix their culture/tribal beliefs into their Christianity. Nigeria is a good example where so called Christians also believe in witchcraft.

However FGM is prevalent in all Muslim countries, even the most populous Muslim nation just to our north.

Where ever Islam has gone so has FGM.

So it's quite valid to bash Islam ... therefore Muslims ... on this point.
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The Ulema has been pushing Indonesian government to circumcise girls, claiming it is part of Islamic teachings.

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Female genital mutilation Type I and IV is prevalent in Indonesia;[204][205][206][207] 97.5%[207] of the surveyed females from Muslim families (Muslim females are at least 85%[208] of females in Indonesia) are mutilated by age 18. In certain communities of Indonesia, mass female circumcision (khitanan massal) ceremony are organized by local Islamic foundations around Prophet Muhammad’s birthday. Some FGM are Type IV done with a pen knife, others are Type I done with scissors. Two Indonesian nationwide studies in 2003 and 2010 found over 80% of the cases sampled involved cutting, typically of newborns through the age of 9. The surveys demonstrated that circumcision among girls and boys is a universal practice in the study sites, in all of which Islam was the primary religion. Across the sites, among all the children aged 15–18, 86-100% of the girls were reported already circumcised. More than 90% of families visited in the studies claimed they wanted the practice to continue.[205][209] Historical records suggest female circumcision in Indonesia started and became prevalent with the arrival of Islam in the 13th century as part of its drive to convert people to Islam. In islands of Indonesia, where partial populations converted to Islam in the 17th century, FGM has been prevalent in Muslim females only.[210][211] In 2006, FGM was banned by the government; however, FGM/C remained commonplace for women in Indonesia - the world’s largest Muslim nation.[212] In 2010, the Indonesian Health Ministry issued a decree outlining the proper procedure for FGM, which activists claim contradicted the 2006 ruling prohibiting clinics from performing any FGM.[213] In 2013, the Indonesian Ulema Council ruled that it favors FGM, stating that although it is not mandatory, it is still “morally recommended”.[214] The Ulema has been pushing Indonesian government to circumcise girls, claiming it is part of Islamic teachings.[215] Some Indonesian officials, in March 2013, claimed cutting and pricking type circumcision is not FGM.[216] In 2014 the government criminalized all forms of FGM after it repealed exceptions to the laws.[217]
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Gnads wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 8:38am:
mothra wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 4:34pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 4:29pm:
rhino wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 3:06pm:
These are the animals people like Pecca and Mothra will defend down to their last soy latte.


My posts in this thread clearly show otherwise.

Try harder, Rhino.

While you might be willing to bend over backwards to defend child rapists, sexual predators, tax dodgers, and violent thugs, the lefties on here do no such thing.

What am I saying, "might be"?  You DO!




To add to that, i get the strong impression that people such as Rhino and Hammer use such acts of barbarity as FGM to do nothing more than Muslim bash.

That is their sole focus.

Try mentioning that Christians do it too That always goes down well.



All you have done there is prove that FGM is a cultural/tribal practice carried out by peoples from the African continent.

These people mix their culture/tribal beliefs into their Christianity. Nigeria is a good example where so called Christians also believe in witchcraft.

However FGM is prevalent in all Muslim countries, even the most populous Muslim nation just to our north.

Where ever Islam has gone so has FGM.

So it's quite valid to bash Islam ... therefore Muslims ... on this point.




If theat were the case, don;t you think the reported numbers would be much higher?
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Brian Ross wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 6:23pm:
Gordon wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 6:05pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 5:54pm:
Gordon wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 1:03pm:
Westmead Children's Hospital in Sydney, found almost 60 girls with FGM had been seen by paediatricians and children's health specialists since 2010, many having undergone the most extreme form of the procedure.


This happening to any child is unfortunate.

However, to prevent the usual tide of Islamophobia, lets point out that FGM is not a wholly Islamic practice - it occurres across sub-Saharan Africa, amongst Christian, Pagan and Islamic societies.

Further, lets put this into proportion.  60 children being seen over six years is an average of 10 kids a year, so hardly a "tsunami".  And as these the overwhelming number of these operations occurred overseas, before the children or their parents became Australian citizens, it is unfair to prosecute them for them now.  Much better to provide education and help, to overcome the problems they will be faced with.

How to stop these occurances?  A much more difficult question and while punishment is an obvious answer, it isn't always the best one.  Education over there and here, would be better.  Much better.   


Brian,  that's from just one hospital and it isn't a definitive number,  only what's been noticed.


So, you think there are more, from other hospitals, right across Australia, Gordon?  Really?   Roll Eyes


There are nearly 4,000 Sudanese in Toowoomba alone - that's not counting the Afghanis, Syrians, Iraqis etc. that are also there.

There are nearly 6, 000 Africans from various regions in Brisbane plus the Afghanis etc etc,,,,,

Melbourne & Sydney are much much higher.

So you don't think it can be happening in other cities besides Sydney?  Grin Grin Grin
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TheFunPolice wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 7:37am:
Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 2:43pm:
Gordon wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 2:13pm:
Watch Karnal come along and do a David Copperfield on the numbers.


About 16% of children are genitally mutilated within Australia, Gordon.

Does this help?

I don't like that number : that's nasty  Sad


That's a generalisation & I bet it includes circumcision of boys.
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Reply #86 - Jan 17th, 2017 at 9:08am
 
Gnads wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 8:58am:
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 6:23pm:
Gordon wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 6:05pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 5:54pm:
Gordon wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 1:03pm:
Westmead Children's Hospital in Sydney, found almost 60 girls with FGM had been seen by paediatricians and children's health specialists since 2010, many having undergone the most extreme form of the procedure.


This happening to any child is unfortunate.

However, to prevent the usual tide of Islamophobia, lets point out that FGM is not a wholly Islamic practice - it occurres across sub-Saharan Africa, amongst Christian, Pagan and Islamic societies.

Further, lets put this into proportion.  60 children being seen over six years is an average of 10 kids a year, so hardly a "tsunami".  And as these the overwhelming number of these operations occurred overseas, before the children or their parents became Australian citizens, it is unfair to prosecute them for them now.  Much better to provide education and help, to overcome the problems they will be faced with.

How to stop these occurances?  A much more difficult question and while punishment is an obvious answer, it isn't always the best one.  Education over there and here, would be better.  Much better.   


Brian,  that's from just one hospital and it isn't a definitive number,  only what's been noticed.


So, you think there are more, from other hospitals, right across Australia, Gordon?  Really?   Roll Eyes


There are nearly 4,000 Sudanese in Toowoomba alone - that's not counting the Afghanis, Syrians, Iraqis etc. that are also there.

There are nearly 6, 000 Africans from various regions in Brisbane plus the Afghanis etc etc,,,,,

Melbourne & Sydney are much much higher.

So you don't think it can be happening in other cities besides Sydney?  Grin Grin Grin


It's mind boggling why anyone would want to do anything to minimize the real numbers.

This is merely one hospital from one city. Sad


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Reply #87 - Jan 17th, 2017 at 9:09am
 
Gnads wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 9:05am:
TheFunPolice wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 7:37am:
Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 2:43pm:
Gordon wrote on Jan 13th, 2017 at 2:13pm:
Watch Karnal come along and do a David Copperfield on the numbers.


About 16% of children are genitally mutilated within Australia, Gordon.

Does this help?

I don't like that number : that's nasty  Sad


That's a generalisation & I bet it includes circumcision of boys. 


That is Karnal's bread and butter, ohh ahh look over there. I'm surprised it hasn't mentioned Jewish circumcision yet.
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Valkie wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 7:22am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 16th, 2017 at 6:59pm:
Valkie wrote on Jan 16th, 2017 at 6:49pm:
They marry underage children, this is a fact.
They do FGM on many young girls.
They send young girls off to marry pedophiles.


Not all of them, Valkie.

Only a very small minority (all of whom, I condemn unconditionally).

You can't condemn all Muslims for the actions of just a few.

You're being completely irrational.

It's the same old "all Muslims are terrorists, and all terrorists are Muslims" lie.

You need a new shtick, old boy.



Even 1 is too many, far far too many.




Correct, and nobody is saying anything to the contrary.

To reiterate, though, because you just don't seem to get it: it's not all Muslims.


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Reply #89 - Jan 17th, 2017 at 9:15am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 9:13am:
Valkie wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 7:22am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 16th, 2017 at 6:59pm:
Valkie wrote on Jan 16th, 2017 at 6:49pm:
They marry underage children, this is a fact.
They do FGM on many young girls.
They send young girls off to marry pedophiles.


Not all of them, Valkie.

Only a very small minority (all of whom, I condemn unconditionally).

You can't condemn all Muslims for the actions of just a few.

You're being completely irrational.

It's the same old "all Muslims are terrorists, and all terrorists are Muslims" lie.

You need a new shtick, old boy.



Even 1 is too many, far far too many.




Correct, and nobody is saying anything to the contrary.

To reiterate, though, because you just don't seem to get it: it's not all Muslims.





And not only is it not all Musims ... it;s not performed by Muslims only.
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I wish really hard that atrocities such as FGM were treated on their own merits, not as an excuse to bash a demographic certain people don't like.

There are countless girls out there suffering. Countless women who have not only been mutilated, they've lost their lives through that mutilation.

This isn't about point scoring, you revolting shitheads, it's about women and girls and their rights to live freely.
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Reply #91 - Jan 17th, 2017 at 9:24am
 
mothra wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 9:15am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 9:13am:
Valkie wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 7:22am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 16th, 2017 at 6:59pm:
Valkie wrote on Jan 16th, 2017 at 6:49pm:
They marry underage children, this is a fact.
They do FGM on many young girls.
They send young girls off to marry pedophiles.


Not all of them, Valkie.

Only a very small minority (all of whom, I condemn unconditionally).

You can't condemn all Muslims for the actions of just a few.

You're being completely irrational.

It's the same old "all Muslims are terrorists, and all terrorists are Muslims" lie.

You need a new shtick, old boy.



Even 1 is too many, far far too many.




Correct, and nobody is saying anything to the contrary.

To reiterate, though, because you just don't seem to get it: it's not all Muslims.





And not only is it not all Musims ... it;s not performed by Muslims only.


Indeed.

The Islamophobes will never believe you, though.

"All Muslims perform FGM, and all FGM is done by Muslims".

The same old boring lie   Roll Eyes
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mothra wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 9:23am:
I wish really hard that atrocities such as FGM were treated on their own merits, not as an excuse to bash a demographic certain people don't like.

There are countless girls out there suffering. Countless women who have not only been mutilated, they've lost their lives through that mutilation.

This isn't about point scoring, you revolting shitheads, it's about women and girls and their rights to live freely.


Take a look in the mirror Mothballs.

The fact remains that the majority of women & girls are who are suffering the affects this abhorrent practice belong to the same demographic.

They are Muslims ........ a lot do it because of tribal/cultural belief, but the majority do it because of their religion .......... ISLAM.

And Islam & the majority proponents of Islam don't believe women have rights or the right to live free & do what they want with their bodies.

A fascist patriarchal ideology that oppresses women.      
That's why this happen to these little girls & young women.

Treating each case on it's own merits?  Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

Unbelievable. Roll Eyes

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Reply #93 - Jan 17th, 2017 at 10:00am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 9:24am:
mothra wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 9:15am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 9:13am:
Valkie wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 7:22am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 16th, 2017 at 6:59pm:
Valkie wrote on Jan 16th, 2017 at 6:49pm:
They marry underage children, this is a fact.
They do FGM on many young girls.
They send young girls off to marry pedophiles.


Not all of them, Valkie.

Only a very small minority (all of whom, I condemn unconditionally).

You can't condemn all Muslims for the actions of just a few.

You're being completely irrational.

It's the same old "all Muslims are terrorists, and all terrorists are Muslims" lie.

You need a new shtick, old boy.



Even 1 is too many, far far too many.




Correct, and nobody is saying anything to the contrary.

To reiterate, though, because you just don't seem to get it: it's not all Muslims.





And not only is it not all Musims ... it;s not performed by Muslims only.


Indeed.

The Islamophobes will never believe you, though.

"All Muslims perform FGM, and all FGM is done by Muslims".

The same old boring lie   Roll Eyes


Oh?

Who else is doing it?
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Reply #94 - Jan 17th, 2017 at 10:04am
 
Gnads wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 10:00am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 9:24am:
mothra wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 9:15am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 9:13am:
Valkie wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 7:22am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 16th, 2017 at 6:59pm:
Valkie wrote on Jan 16th, 2017 at 6:49pm:
They marry underage children, this is a fact.
They do FGM on many young girls.
They send young girls off to marry pedophiles.


Not all of them, Valkie.

Only a very small minority (all of whom, I condemn unconditionally).

You can't condemn all Muslims for the actions of just a few.

You're being completely irrational.

It's the same old "all Muslims are terrorists, and all terrorists are Muslims" lie.

You need a new shtick, old boy.



Even 1 is too many, far far too many.




Correct, and nobody is saying anything to the contrary.

To reiterate, though, because you just don't seem to get it: it's not all Muslims.





And not only is it not all Musims ... it;s not performed by Muslims only.


Indeed.

The Islamophobes will never believe you, though.

"All Muslims perform FGM, and all FGM is done by Muslims".

The same old boring lie   Roll Eyes


Oh?

Who else is doing it?


Christian Copts.

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Reply #95 - Jan 17th, 2017 at 10:14am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 10:04am:
Gnads wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 10:00am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 9:24am:
mothra wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 9:15am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 9:13am:
Valkie wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 7:22am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 16th, 2017 at 6:59pm:
Valkie wrote on Jan 16th, 2017 at 6:49pm:
They marry underage children, this is a fact.
They do FGM on many young girls.
They send young girls off to marry pedophiles.


Not all of them, Valkie.

Only a very small minority (all of whom, I condemn unconditionally).

You can't condemn all Muslims for the actions of just a few.

You're being completely irrational.

It's the same old "all Muslims are terrorists, and all terrorists are Muslims" lie.

You need a new shtick, old boy.



Even 1 is too many, far far too many.




Correct, and nobody is saying anything to the contrary.

To reiterate, though, because you just don't seem to get it: it's not all Muslims.





And not only is it not all Musims ... it;s not performed by Muslims only.


Indeed.

The Islamophobes will never believe you, though.

"All Muslims perform FGM, and all FGM is done by Muslims".

The same old boring lie   Roll Eyes


Oh?

Who else is doing it?


Christian Copts.



In one country - Egypt - Copts make up maybe 11%.

https://copticliterature.wordpress.com/2014/02/21/the-position-of-the-coptic-chu...

https://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/02/some-copts-practice-fgm-as-a-matter-of-assimi...

Put the blame where it belongs - Islam.

There is no religious doctrine in the Coptic Church for this practise.

There is in Islam.
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Reply #96 - Jan 17th, 2017 at 10:18am
 
Gnads wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 10:00am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 9:24am:
mothra wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 9:15am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 9:13am:
Valkie wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 7:22am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 16th, 2017 at 6:59pm:
Valkie wrote on Jan 16th, 2017 at 6:49pm:
They marry underage children, this is a fact.
They do FGM on many young girls.
They send young girls off to marry pedophiles.


Not all of them, Valkie.

Only a very small minority (all of whom, I condemn unconditionally).

You can't condemn all Muslims for the actions of just a few.

You're being completely irrational.

It's the same old "all Muslims are terrorists, and all terrorists are Muslims" lie.

You need a new shtick, old boy.



Even 1 is too many, far far too many.




Correct, and nobody is saying anything to the contrary.

To reiterate, though, because you just don't seem to get it: it's not all Muslims.





And not only is it not all Musims ... it;s not performed by Muslims only.


Indeed.

The Islamophobes will never believe you, though.

"All Muslims perform FGM, and all FGM is done by Muslims".

The same old boring lie   Roll Eyes


Oh?

Who else is doing it?


"Female Genital Mutilation occurs in non-Muslim societies in Africa and is practiced by Christians, Muslims and Animists alike. In Egypt, where perhaps 97 percent of girls suffer genital mutilation, both Christian Copts and Muslims are complicit. Thus, it has long been concluded to be a cultural practice, not connected to religion."

"Christians and Muslims alike believe that circumcision of girls prevents them from vice and makes them more attractive for future husbands; mothers fear that their daughters can’t get married if they have not been cut."


"Unlike in Islam, FGM has no religious backing whatsoever in Christianity; nonetheless, it’s practiced by Copts, and it has become a social norm within Coptic communities, in the sense that Coptic families that have their daughters cut do that a. because others who matter to them have their daughters cut; and b. and because they believe that others who matter to them think they should have their daughters cut."
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You didn't read my links ...

which mentions same

It's not in Coptic doctrine

It is in Islam

Muslims are in the vast majority the biggest exponents

those being affected in Australia are Muslims

not Coptic Christians.
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Reply #98 - Jan 17th, 2017 at 10:28am
 
Gnads wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 10:25am:
You didn't read my links ...

which mentions same

It's not in Coptic doctrine

It is in Islam

Muslims are in the vast majority the biggest exponents

those being affected in Australia are Muslims

not Coptic Christians.



Nope. It's not in the Muslim doctrine either.

Christians, Muslims and Animists all practice FGM.

the root is tribal, not doctrinal.
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Muslims are in the vast majority the biggest exponents


You asked me who else did it, not who did it the most.

The answer, once again, is 'Christians', in several countries.

Benin: 15% of Protestants, 12% of traditional religions and 7% of Roman Catholic women.





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Gnads wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 10:00am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 9:24am:
mothra wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 9:15am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 9:13am:
Valkie wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 7:22am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 16th, 2017 at 6:59pm:
Valkie wrote on Jan 16th, 2017 at 6:49pm:
They marry underage children, this is a fact.
They do FGM on many young girls.
They send young girls off to marry pedophiles.


Not all of them, Valkie.

Only a very small minority (all of whom, I condemn unconditionally).

You can't condemn all Muslims for the actions of just a few.

You're being completely irrational.

It's the same old "all Muslims are terrorists, and all terrorists are Muslims" lie.

You need a new shtick, old boy.



Even 1 is too many, far far too many.




Correct, and nobody is saying anything to the contrary.

To reiterate, though, because you just don't seem to get it: it's not all Muslims.





And not only is it not all Musims ... it;s not performed by Muslims only.


Indeed.

The Islamophobes will never believe you, though.

"All Muslims perform FGM, and all FGM is done by Muslims".

The same old boring lie   Roll Eyes


Oh?

Who else is doing it?


Christians in Burkina Faso.

73% of traditional religions, 69% of Roman Catholics and 65% of Protestants.

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Already covered Africans.
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Gnads wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 10:14am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 10:04am:
Gnads wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 10:00am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 9:24am:
mothra wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 9:15am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 9:13am:
Valkie wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 7:22am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 16th, 2017 at 6:59pm:
Valkie wrote on Jan 16th, 2017 at 6:49pm:
They marry underage children, this is a fact.
They do FGM on many young girls.
They send young girls off to marry pedophiles.


Not all of them, Valkie.

Only a very small minority (all of whom, I condemn unconditionally).

You can't condemn all Muslims for the actions of just a few.

You're being completely irrational.

It's the same old "all Muslims are terrorists, and all terrorists are Muslims" lie.

You need a new shtick, old boy.



Even 1 is too many, far far too many.




Correct, and nobody is saying anything to the contrary.

To reiterate, though, because you just don't seem to get it: it's not all Muslims.





And not only is it not all Musims ... it;s not performed by Muslims only.


Indeed.

The Islamophobes will never believe you, though.

"All Muslims perform FGM, and all FGM is done by Muslims".

The same old boring lie   Roll Eyes


Oh?

Who else is doing it?


Christian Copts.



In one country - Egypt



Central African Republic: 46% of Animist women, 36% of Protestants, and 35% of Catholic women.


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Gnads wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 10:14am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 10:04am:
Gnads wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 10:00am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 9:24am:
mothra wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 9:15am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 9:13am:
Valkie wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 7:22am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 16th, 2017 at 6:59pm:
Valkie wrote on Jan 16th, 2017 at 6:49pm:
They marry underage children, this is a fact.
They do FGM on many young girls.
They send young girls off to marry pedophiles.


Not all of them, Valkie.

Only a very small minority (all of whom, I condemn unconditionally).

You can't condemn all Muslims for the actions of just a few.

You're being completely irrational.

It's the same old "all Muslims are terrorists, and all terrorists are Muslims" lie.

You need a new shtick, old boy.



Even 1 is too many, far far too many.




Correct, and nobody is saying anything to the contrary.

To reiterate, though, because you just don't seem to get it: it's not all Muslims.





And not only is it not all Musims ... it;s not performed by Muslims only.


Indeed.

The Islamophobes will never believe you, though.

"All Muslims perform FGM, and all FGM is done by Muslims".

The same old boring lie   Roll Eyes


Oh?

Who else is doing it?


Christian Copts.



In one country - Egypt



Chad: 31% of Catholics, 16% of Protestants, and 12% of traditional religions.
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Gnads wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 10:00am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 9:24am:
mothra wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 9:15am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 9:13am:
Valkie wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 7:22am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 16th, 2017 at 6:59pm:
Valkie wrote on Jan 16th, 2017 at 6:49pm:
They marry underage children, this is a fact.
They do FGM on many young girls.
They send young girls off to marry pedophiles.


Not all of them, Valkie.

Only a very small minority (all of whom, I condemn unconditionally).

You can't condemn all Muslims for the actions of just a few.

You're being completely irrational.

It's the same old "all Muslims are terrorists, and all terrorists are Muslims" lie.

You need a new shtick, old boy.



Even 1 is too many, far far too many.




Correct, and nobody is saying anything to the contrary.

To reiterate, though, because you just don't seem to get it: it's not all Muslims.





And not only is it not all Musims ... it;s not performed by Muslims only.


Indeed.

The Islamophobes will never believe you, though.

"All Muslims perform FGM, and all FGM is done by Muslims".

The same old boring lie   Roll Eyes


Oh?

Who else is doing it?



Côte d'Ivoire: 45% of Animist, 14% of Catholic and 13% of Protestant women.
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Reply #105 - Jan 17th, 2017 at 11:50am
 
Gnads wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 10:00am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 9:24am:
mothra wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 9:15am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 9:13am:
Valkie wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 7:22am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 16th, 2017 at 6:59pm:
Valkie wrote on Jan 16th, 2017 at 6:49pm:
They marry underage children, this is a fact.
They do FGM on many young girls.
They send young girls off to marry pedophiles.


Not all of them, Valkie.

Only a very small minority (all of whom, I condemn unconditionally).

You can't condemn all Muslims for the actions of just a few.

You're being completely irrational.

It's the same old "all Muslims are terrorists, and all terrorists are Muslims" lie.

You need a new shtick, old boy.



Even 1 is too many, far far too many.




Correct, and nobody is saying anything to the contrary.

To reiterate, though, because you just don't seem to get it: it's not all Muslims.





And not only is it not all Musims ... it;s not performed by Muslims only.


Indeed.

The Islamophobes will never believe you, though.

"All Muslims perform FGM, and all FGM is done by Muslims".

The same old boring lie   Roll Eyes


Oh?

Who else is doing it?



Christians, and other non-Muslims, in countries such as Benin, Burkina Faso, Cameroon, Central African Republic, Chad,  Côte d'Ivoire, Egypt, Eritrea, Guinea, Kenya, Mali, Nigeria, and Senegal.

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Reply #106 - Jan 17th, 2017 at 12:02pm
 
The answer, of course, is for the government to inform every member of these 'at risk' Muslim ethnicities that doctors are henceforth bound by law to report the parents of children found to have been the victim of these procedures - with the penalty being automatic repatriation back to their African countries of origin, including children born here.

But as politics in the West is still dominated by girly-men with feminine nurturing and breast-feeding instincts, it will be a while before we'll see anything other than appeasement, 'tolerance', bedwetting, and anal-receptive tendencies in our politicians.



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mothra wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 9:23am:
I wish really hard that atrocities such as FGM were treated on their own merits, not as an excuse to bash a demographic certain people don't like.


Excuse or reason?

And of course, needless to say, you've argued long and hard with revolting shitheads to not condemn the Nazi 'demographic' of the Second World War simply because a few of them were in the genocide business.


mothra wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 9:23am:
This isn't about point scoring, you revolting shitheads, it's about women and girls and their rights to live freely.


Grin Grin Grin

Wrong again.

It's about girls born into a religion among whose congregation there is a tradition for mutilating their daughters.

Do try to keep up with us, Mothra.
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Reply #108 - Jan 17th, 2017 at 12:32pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 12:14pm:
mothra wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 9:23am:
I wish really hard that atrocities such as FGM were treated on their own merits, not as an excuse to bash a demographic certain people don't like.


Excuse or reason?

And of course, needless to say, you've argued long and hard with revolting shitheads to not condemn the Nazi 'demographic' of the Second World War simply because a few of them were in the genocide business.


mothra wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 9:23am:
This isn't about point scoring, you revolting shitheads, it's about women and girls and their rights to live freely.


Grin Grin Grin

Wrong again.

It's about girls born into a religion among whose congregation there is a tradition for mutilating their daughters.

Do try to keep up with us, Mothra.



You are, as usual, quite wrong Herbie,

FGM is not restricted to Islam.
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Reply #109 - Jan 17th, 2017 at 12:38pm
 
mothra wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 12:32pm:
Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 12:14pm:
mothra wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 9:23am:
I wish really hard that atrocities such as FGM were treated on their own merits, not as an excuse to bash a demographic certain people don't like.


Excuse or reason?

And of course, needless to say, you've argued long and hard with revolting shitheads to not condemn the Nazi 'demographic' of the Second World War simply because a few of them were in the genocide business.


mothra wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 9:23am:
This isn't about point scoring, you revolting shitheads, it's about women and girls and their rights to live freely.


Grin Grin Grin

Wrong again.

It's about girls born into a religion among whose congregation there is a tradition for mutilating their daughters.

Do try to keep up with us, Mothra.



You are, as usual, quite wrong Herbie,

FGM is not restricted to Islam.



It seems that Gnads and Herbie just refuse to accept the facts.

FGM occurs in non-Muslim societies in Africa and in Arab states such as Egypt.

Both Christian Copts and Muslims are complicit.
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Reply #110 - Jan 17th, 2017 at 12:47pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 12:38pm:
mothra wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 12:32pm:
Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 12:14pm:
mothra wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 9:23am:
I wish really hard that atrocities such as FGM were treated on their own merits, not as an excuse to bash a demographic certain people don't like.


Excuse or reason?

And of course, needless to say, you've argued long and hard with revolting shitheads to not condemn the Nazi 'demographic' of the Second World War simply because a few of them were in the genocide business.


mothra wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 9:23am:
This isn't about point scoring, you revolting shitheads, it's about women and girls and their rights to live freely.


Grin Grin Grin

Wrong again.

It's about girls born into a religion among whose congregation there is a tradition for mutilating their daughters.

Do try to keep up with us, Mothra.



You are, as usual, quite wrong Herbie,

FGM is not restricted to Islam.



It seems that Gnads and Herbie just refuse to accept the facts.

FGM occurs in non-Muslim societies in Africa and in Arab states such as Egypt.

Both Christian Copts and Muslims are complicit.




And non Copt Christians and Animists.
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Reply #111 - Jan 17th, 2017 at 12:49pm
 
mothra wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 12:32pm:
You are, as usual, quite wrong Herbie,

FGM is not restricted to Islam.


Poll Question:

Which religion do the parents of mutilated girls in Australia most likely belong to?

1) Hinduism 2) Taoism 3) Christianity 4) Islam 5) Sikhism 6) Judaism 7) ....



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Reply #112 - Jan 17th, 2017 at 12:54pm
 
mothra wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 12:47pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 12:38pm:
mothra wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 12:32pm:
Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 12:14pm:
mothra wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 9:23am:
I wish really hard that atrocities such as FGM were treated on their own merits, not as an excuse to bash a demographic certain people don't like.


Excuse or reason?

And of course, needless to say, you've argued long and hard with revolting shitheads to not condemn the Nazi 'demographic' of the Second World War simply because a few of them were in the genocide business.


mothra wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 9:23am:
This isn't about point scoring, you revolting shitheads, it's about women and girls and their rights to live freely.


Grin Grin Grin

Wrong again.

It's about girls born into a religion among whose congregation there is a tradition for mutilating their daughters.

Do try to keep up with us, Mothra.



You are, as usual, quite wrong Herbie,

FGM is not restricted to Islam.



It seems that Gnads and Herbie just refuse to accept the facts.

FGM occurs in non-Muslim societies in Africa and in Arab states such as Egypt.

Both Christian Copts and Muslims are complicit.




And non Copt Christians and Animists.



Why do Gnads and Herbie refuse to acknowledge these facts?


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Reply #113 - Jan 17th, 2017 at 12:55pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 12:49pm:
mothra wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 12:32pm:
You are, as usual, quite wrong Herbie,

FGM is not restricted to Islam.


Poll Question:

Which religion do the parents of mutilated girls in Australia most likely belong to?

1) Hinduism 2) Taoism 3) Christianity 4) Islam 5) Sikhism 6) Judaism 7) ....






There's a good chance they are Christian.  A Good chnce they are Muslim. A good chance they are aniist.

Why should it matter? Shouldn;t it all be condemned?
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mothra wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 12:55pm:
There's a good chance they are Christian.  A Good chnce they are Muslim. A good chance they are aniist.

Why should it matter? Shouldn;t it all be condemned?


Yes - it SHOULD ALL be condemned.

The practice - and the RELIGION behind it.

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... Donald Trump's inauguration?
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Reply #116 - Jan 17th, 2017 at 1:12pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 1:07pm:
mothra wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 12:55pm:
There's a good chance they are Christian.  A Good chnce they are Muslim. A good chance they are aniist.

Why should it matter? Shouldn;t it all be condemned?


Yes - it SHOULD ALL be condemned.

The practice - and the RELIGION behind it.



Don't you mean RELIGIONS, Herbie?

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Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 1:07pm:
mothra wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 12:55pm:
There's a good chance they are Christian.  A Good chnce they are Muslim. A good chance they are aniist.

Why should it matter? Shouldn;t it all be condemned?


Yes - it SHOULD ALL be condemned.

The practice - and the RELIGION behind it.




ReligionS.
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mothra wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 1:19pm:
ReligionS.




Why are you defending the dictatorial ideology that is at the heart of Islam?
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Reply #119 - Jan 17th, 2017 at 1:26pm
 
mothra wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 1:19pm:
Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 1:07pm:
mothra wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 12:55pm:
There's a good chance they are Christian.  A Good chnce they are Muslim. A good chance they are aniist.

Why should it matter? Shouldn;t it all be condemned?


Yes - it SHOULD ALL be condemned.

The practice - and the RELIGION behind it.




ReligionS.


Herbie just can't say the words: "Christians perform FGM too".


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Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 1:24pm:
mothra wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 1:19pm:
ReligionS.




Why are you defending the dictatorial ideology that is at the heart of Islam?



I'm not. Why are you ignoring that this is a tribal proble, not one of religion.
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Reply #121 - Jan 17th, 2017 at 1:37pm
 
mothra wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 1:28pm:
Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 1:24pm:
mothra wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 1:19pm:
ReligionS.



Why are you defending the dictatorial ideology that is at the heart of Islam?



I'm not. Why are you ignoring that this is a tribal problem, not one of religion.


...


Ooh, Ooh, Miss, Miss - I can answer that one!

Thanks to his unhealthy addiction to tabloid "news" services, like The Daily Mail, Herbie's primary concern these days is demonising Muslims.

He doesn't actually care about the victims in the OP; his main objective is to make all Muslims look as bad as possible at every opportunity.

Plus, he's a fricken troll.

Close?

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Reply #122 - Jan 17th, 2017 at 1:44pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 1:37pm:
mothra wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 1:28pm:
Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 1:24pm:
mothra wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 1:19pm:
ReligionS.



Why are you defending the dictatorial ideology that is at the heart of Islam?



I'm not. Why are you ignoring that this is a tribal problem, not one of religion.


http://image.shutterstock.com/z/stock-vector-school-boy-putting-up-hand-in-class...


Ooh, Ooh, Miss, Miss - I can answer that one!

Thanks to his unhealthy addiction to tabloid "news" services, like The Daily Mail, Herbie's primary concern these days is demonising Muslims.

He doesn't actually care about the victims in the OP; his main objective is to make all Muslims look as bad as possible at every opportunity.

Plus, he's a fricken troll.

Close?

Why would we want to make a group look good when we don't want anymore of them to come out here?
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Reply #123 - Jan 17th, 2017 at 1:46pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 1:44pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 1:37pm:
mothra wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 1:28pm:
Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 1:24pm:
mothra wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 1:19pm:
ReligionS.



Why are you defending the dictatorial ideology that is at the heart of Islam?



I'm not. Why are you ignoring that this is a tribal problem, not one of religion.


http://image.shutterstock.com/z/stock-vector-school-boy-putting-up-hand-in-class...


Ooh, Ooh, Miss, Miss - I can answer that one!

Thanks to his unhealthy addiction to tabloid "news" services, like The Daily Mail, Herbie's primary concern these days is demonising Muslims.

He doesn't actually care about the victims in the OP; his main objective is to make all Muslims look as bad as possible at every opportunity.

Plus, he's a fricken troll.

Close?

Why would we want to make a group look good when we don't want anymore of them to come out here?



Why would you only condemn Muslims involved in FGM?

Why not condemn the Christians who do it too?



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Reply #124 - Jan 17th, 2017 at 1:50pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 1:46pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 1:44pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 1:37pm:
mothra wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 1:28pm:
Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 1:24pm:
mothra wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 1:19pm:
ReligionS.



Why are you defending the dictatorial ideology that is at the heart of Islam?



I'm not. Why are you ignoring that this is a tribal problem, not one of religion.


http://image.shutterstock.com/z/stock-vector-school-boy-putting-up-hand-in-class...


Ooh, Ooh, Miss, Miss - I can answer that one!

Thanks to his unhealthy addiction to tabloid "news" services, like The Daily Mail, Herbie's primary concern these days is demonising Muslims.

He doesn't actually care about the victims in the OP; his main objective is to make all Muslims look as bad as possible at every opportunity.

Plus, he's a fricken troll.

Close?

Why would we want to make a group look good when we don't want anymore of them to come out here?



Why would you only condemn Muslims involved in FGM?

Why not condemn the Christians who do it too?



I don't like  any group  doing that. People who do that are barbarians. I don't even agree with circumcision.
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Reply #125 - Jan 17th, 2017 at 1:58pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 1:50pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 1:46pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 1:44pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 1:37pm:
mothra wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 1:28pm:
Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 1:24pm:
mothra wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 1:19pm:
ReligionS.



Why are you defending the dictatorial ideology that is at the heart of Islam?



I'm not. Why are you ignoring that this is a tribal problem, not one of religion.


http://image.shutterstock.com/z/stock-vector-school-boy-putting-up-hand-in-class...


Ooh, Ooh, Miss, Miss - I can answer that one!

Thanks to his unhealthy addiction to tabloid "news" services, like The Daily Mail, Herbie's primary concern these days is demonising Muslims.

He doesn't actually care about the victims in the OP; his main objective is to make all Muslims look as bad as possible at every opportunity.

Plus, he's a fricken troll.

Close?

Why would we want to make a group look good when we don't want anymore of them to come out here?



Why would you only condemn Muslims involved in FGM?

Why not condemn the Christians who do it too?



I don't like  any group  doing that. People who do that are barbarians. I don't even agree with circumcision.


You condemn all Muslims for the actions of those who perform FGM.

Do you also condemn all Christians?

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Reply #126 - Jan 17th, 2017 at 1:59pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 1:58pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 1:50pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 1:46pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 1:44pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 1:37pm:
mothra wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 1:28pm:
Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 1:24pm:
mothra wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 1:19pm:
ReligionS.



Why are you defending the dictatorial ideology that is at the heart of Islam?



I'm not. Why are you ignoring that this is a tribal problem, not one of religion.


http://image.shutterstock.com/z/stock-vector-school-boy-putting-up-hand-in-class...


Ooh, Ooh, Miss, Miss - I can answer that one!

Thanks to his unhealthy addiction to tabloid "news" services, like The Daily Mail, Herbie's primary concern these days is demonising Muslims.

He doesn't actually care about the victims in the OP; his main objective is to make all Muslims look as bad as possible at every opportunity.

Plus, he's a fricken troll.

Close?

Why would we want to make a group look good when we don't want anymore of them to come out here?



Why would you only condemn Muslims involved in FGM?

Why not condemn the Christians who do it too?



I don't like  any group  doing that. People who do that are barbarians. I don't even agree with circumcision.


You condemn all Muslims for the actions of those who perform FGM.

Do you also condemn all Christians?

I don't condemn all muslims for FGM.
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Hammer?  Honestly if you ignore him he will be starved of oxygen and that saves us ALL.
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Black Orchid wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 2:18pm:
Hammer?  Honestly if you ignore him he will be starved of oxygen and that saves us ALL.




Actually, Greg is making a very good point .

Lost on you, is it?
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Its amazing the lengths apologists go to to support a barbaric, pedophile infested, brutal CULT.

Mutilation of girls is predominantly Muzzo.
It is accepted by the "Ha ha" Religious leaders.

Pedophilia is also practiced on a daily basis in this CULT.
It is again accepted by "Snicker" Religious leaders.

Murder for being a poof is an accepted part of this cult as is beating of young women who are raped.
As if the girls wanted to be raped.
The men simply walk away to re-offend.
No wonder the women hide themselves in sacks, its the only way to keep these filthy animals away.
They just cant control themselves.

There is nothing wholesome or nice about this CULT.
It murders its own if they want to leave.
It harbors murderers and pedophiles.
Predominantly it is full of low intelligence, moronic, subservient, violent retards.

The so called leaders Imams or CULT demons preach hatred and murder daily.
They demand that we accept their hatred and stupidity, while denigrating our chosen way of life.

All are not worthy of a place in civilized, sophisticated society.

Again.
Look at countries where this CULT presides, they are all destitute, barbaric and primitive.

Do you fools want to live like this?
Do you women want to be tortured, treated as second class citizens?
Do you want your young daughters to be sexual fodder for old pedophiles?
Do you want all homosexual men to be thrown off buildings and otherwise murdered?
Do you truly want to spend all your days just waiting for some new Imam to decide he has been offended and call for yet another terrorist attack?

Why do you hate Australia?
Why do you hate women?
Why do you hate your life so much that you are willing to suffer this hell?

WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?
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Just when you thought the conversation couldn't get more one sided, theerrrre's Valkie, raving about cults.
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Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 1:59pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 1:58pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 1:50pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 1:46pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 1:44pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 1:37pm:
mothra wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 1:28pm:
Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 1:24pm:
mothra wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 1:19pm:
ReligionS.



Why are you defending the dictatorial ideology that is at the heart of Islam?



I'm not. Why are you ignoring that this is a tribal problem, not one of religion.


http://image.shutterstock.com/z/stock-vector-school-boy-putting-up-hand-in-class...


Ooh, Ooh, Miss, Miss - I can answer that one!

Thanks to his unhealthy addiction to tabloid "news" services, like The Daily Mail, Herbie's primary concern these days is demonising Muslims.

He doesn't actually care about the victims in the OP; his main objective is to make all Muslims look as bad as possible at every opportunity.

Plus, he's a fricken troll.

Close?

Why would we want to make a group look good when we don't want anymore of them to come out here?



Why would you only condemn Muslims involved in FGM?

Why not condemn the Christians who do it too?



I don't like  any group  doing that. People who do that are barbarians. I don't even agree with circumcision.


You condemn all Muslims for the actions of those who perform FGM.

Do you also condemn all Christians?

I don't condemn all muslims for FGM.


You condemn all Muslims.

Why?

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Reply #132 - Jan 17th, 2017 at 3:11pm
 
Valkie wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 3:01pm:
Do you want your young daughters to be sexual fodder for old pedophiles?


That reminds me: what time is Trump's inauguration on the TV, in WA?

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Reply #133 - Jan 17th, 2017 at 8:59pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 12:54pm:
mothra wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 12:47pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 12:38pm:
mothra wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 12:32pm:
Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 12:14pm:
mothra wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 9:23am:
I wish really hard that atrocities such as FGM were treated on their own merits, not as an excuse to bash a demographic certain people don't like.


Excuse or reason?

And of course, needless to say, you've argued long and hard with revolting shitheads to not condemn the Nazi 'demographic' of the Second World War simply because a few of them were in the genocide business.


mothra wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 9:23am:
This isn't about point scoring, you revolting shitheads, it's about women and girls and their rights to live freely.


Grin Grin Grin

Wrong again.

It's about girls born into a religion among whose congregation there is a tradition for mutilating their daughters.

Do try to keep up with us, Mothra.



You are, as usual, quite wrong Herbie,

FGM is not restricted to Islam.



It seems that Gnads and Herbie just refuse to accept the facts.

FGM occurs in non-Muslim societies in Africa and in Arab states such as Egypt.

Both Christian Copts and Muslims are complicit.


And non Copt Christians and Animists.



Why do Gnads and Herbie refuse to acknowledge these facts?


Don't tell porkies Peccarhead

no one is refusing to accept the facts of tribal/cultural beliefs & practices of Africans of all converted denominations. Despite claiming to be one religion or another their background/tribal beliefs still hold a strong sway.

But as far as populations/numbers go ME Muslim countries & Malaysia & the most populous muslim country Indonesia promote this practice more as a religious requirement.

Muslims of European descent i.e  in Kosovo,
Albania & Bosnia and Herzegovina don't do it.

https://www.globalcitizen.org/en/content/fgm-female-genital-mutilation-misconcep...

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Myth 11: It is comparable to male circumcision.
Some argue that FGM is just a female version of male circumcision; however, there are a few key differences (which is not to say that one is better, simply that they are different). While male circumcision is also controversial, it is actually prescribed by some religions, whereas FGM is not. Additionally, male circumcision is the removal of skin, and not the sex organ itself (as with the clitoris), and does not typically cause the same kinds of long-term health problems.

But most importantly, FGM is performed to make women more attractive to men and as a means of controlling women’s bodies and sexuality. That is not the motivation for male circumcision. FGM is the literal sexual objectification of women — it aims to strip them of pleasure, while making them more appealing to men.
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Reply #134 - Jan 17th, 2017 at 9:15pm
 
mothra wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 2:56pm:
Black Orchid wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 2:18pm:
Hammer?  Honestly if you ignore him he will be starved of oxygen and that saves us ALL.




Actually, Greg is making a very good point .

Lost on you, is it?

jeez, get  a room. Then come back when the dissapointment fades.
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Reply #135 - Jan 18th, 2017 at 5:55am
 
mothra wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 3:04pm:
Just when you thought the conversation couldn't get more one sided, theerrrre's Valkie, raving about cults.



But my dear Mothra, it is a CULT.

It has all the hallmarks of a CULT.

Read the following signs of a CULT and CULT leader and tell me honestly that most do not apply to this CULT.

Through mindless mantras forced upon its followers it controls the mind.
Through mindless repetition it controls the body.
Its punishments are draconian and directly aimed at any who question or refuse the CULT.
It prevents and dictates distrust and disharmony with any not of the CULT.
It practices Pedophilia, FGM, Murder and terrorism, just like a CULT.
It has enforcers who terrorise any within the CULT just in case they stray.
There is no questioning anything the Koran states, no matter how stupid or impossible.
It dictates special obvious clothing for followers of this cult

These are the 10 warning signs of a cult leader
1.      Absolute authoritarianism without meaningful accountability.
2.      No tolerance for questions or critical inquiry.
3.      No meaningful financial disclosure regarding budget, expenses such as an independently audited financial statement.
4.      Unreasonable fear about the outside world, such as impending catastrophe, evil conspiracies and persecutions.
5.      There is no legitimate reason to leave, former followers are always wrong in leaving, negative or even evil.
6.      Former members often relate the same stories of abuse and reflect a similar pattern of grievances.
7.      There are records, books, news articles, or television programs that document the abuses of the group/leader.
8.      Followers feel they can never be "good enough".
9.      The group/leader is always right.
10.      The group/leader is the exclusive means of knowing "truth" or receiving validation, no other process of discovery is really acceptable or credible.

These are the ten signs of a cult.
1.      Extreme obsessiveness regarding the group/leader resulting in the exclusion of almost every practical consideration.
2.      Individual identity, the group, the leader and/or God as distinct and separate categories of existence become increasingly blurred. Instead, in the follower's mind these identities become substantially and increasingly fused--as that person's involvement with the group/leader continues and deepens.
3.      Whenever the group/leader is criticized or questioned it is characterized as "persecution".
4.      Uncharacteristically stilted and seemingly programmed conversation and mannerisms, cloning of the group/leader in personal behavior.
5.      Dependency upon the group/leader for problem solving, solutions, and definitions without meaningful reflective thought. A seeming inability to think independently or analyze situations without group/leader involvement.
6.      Hyperactivity centered on the group/leader agenda, which seems to supercede any personal goals or individual interests.
7.      A dramatic loss of spontaneity and sense of humor.
8.      Increasing isolation from family and old friends unless they demonstrate an interest in the group/leader.
9.      Anything the group/leader does can be justified no matter how harsh or harmful.
10.      Former followers are at best-considered negative or worse evil and under bad influences. They can not be trusted and personal contact is avoided.
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I see that no one wants to dispute the CULT definition.

I guess its too close to the truth.
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Still the apologists ignore the truth

Guess I win, its a CULT
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Reply #138 - Jan 22nd, 2017 at 6:46pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 12:38pm:
mothra wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 12:32pm:
Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 12:14pm:
mothra wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 9:23am:
I wish really hard that atrocities such as FGM were treated on their own merits, not as an excuse to bash a demographic certain people don't like.


Excuse or reason?

And of course, needless to say, you've argued long and hard with revolting shitheads to not condemn the Nazi 'demographic' of the Second World War simply because a few of them were in the genocide business.


mothra wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 9:23am:
This isn't about point scoring, you revolting shitheads, it's about women and girls and their rights to live freely.


Grin Grin Grin

Wrong again.

It's about girls born into a religion among whose congregation there is a tradition for mutilating their daughters.

Do try to keep up with us, Mothra.



You are, as usual, quite wrong Herbie,

FGM is not restricted to Islam.



It seems that Gnads and Herbie just refuse to accept the facts.

FGM occurs in non-Muslim societies in Africa and in Arab states such as Egypt.

Both Christian Copts and Muslims are complicit.


I already stated the tribal/cultural traditions of Africans.

You refuse to acknowledge that I did.

However it is far more prevalent in ME Muslim countries & places like Malaysia & Indonesia (the most populous muslim country) and it is not tribal or cultural there ...

It's solely based on the Islamic doctrine.
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Reply #139 - Jan 22nd, 2017 at 6:52pm
 
Valkie wrote on Jan 22nd, 2017 at 6:31pm:
Still the apologists ignore the truth

Guess I win, its a CULT



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Valkie wrote on Jan 22nd, 2017 at 6:31pm:
Still the apologists ignore the truth

Guess I win, its a CULT

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Hey, let's all vote for the cult of being a c-word: yay me ".... hey, mum- guess what !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!(You remember when I said I would be famous one day, well....)"!
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Valkie wrote on Jan 18th, 2017 at 5:55am:
mothra wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 3:04pm:
Just when you thought the conversation couldn't get more one sided, theerrrre's Valkie, raving about cults.



But my dear Mothra, it is a CULT.

It has all the hallmarks of a CULT.

Read the following signs of a CULT and CULT leader and tell me honestly that most do not apply to this CULT.

Through mindless mantras forced upon its followers it controls the mind.

Through mindless repetition it controls the body.
Its punishments are draconian and directly aimed at any who question or refuse the CULT.
It prevents and dictates distrust and disharmony with any not of the CULT.
It practices Pedophilia, FGM, Murder and terrorism, just like a CULT.
It has enforcers who terrorise any within the CULT just in case they stray.
There is no questioning anything the Koran states, no matter how stupid or impossible.
It dictates special obvious clothing for followers of this cult

These are the 10 warning signs of a cult leader
1.      Absolute authoritarianism without meaningful accountability.
2.      No tolerance for questions or critical inquiry.
3.      No meaningful financial disclosure regarding budget, expenses such as an independently audited financial statement.
4.      Unreasonable fear about the outside world, such as impending catastrophe, evil conspiracies and persecutions.
5.      There is no legitimate reason to leave, former followers are always wrong in leaving, negative or even evil.
6.      Former members often relate the same stories of abuse and reflect a similar pattern of grievances.
7.      There are records, books, news articles, or television programs that document the abuses of the group/leader.
8.      Followers feel they can never be "good enough".
9.      The group/leader is always right.
10.      The group/leader is the exclusive means of knowing "truth" or receiving validation, no other process of discovery is really acceptable or credible.

These are the ten signs of a cult.
1.      Extreme obsessiveness regarding the group/leader resulting in the exclusion of almost every practical consideration.
2.      Individual identity, the group, the leader and/or God as distinct and separate categories of existence become increasingly blurred. Instead, in the follower's mind these identities become substantially and increasingly fused--as that person's involvement with the group/leader continues and deepens.
3.      Whenever the group/leader is criticized or questioned it is characterized as "persecution".
4.      Uncharacteristically stilted and seemingly programmed conversation and mannerisms, cloning of the group/leader in personal behavior.
5.      Dependency upon the group/leader for problem solving, solutions, and definitions without meaningful reflective thought. A seeming inability to think independently or analyze situations without group/leader involvement.
6.      Hyperactivity centered on the group/leader agenda, which seems to supercede any personal goals or individual interests.
7.      A dramatic loss of spontaneity and sense of humor.
8.      Increasing isolation from family and old friends unless they demonstrate an interest in the group/leader.
9.      Anything the group/leader does can be justified no matter how harsh or harmful.
10.      Former followers are at best-considered negative or worse evil and under bad influences. They can not be trusted and personal contact is avoided.

The capital "L"iberal party is a cult, end of!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


** talk about it being handed to you on a platter!  Roll Eyes
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