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Reply #330 - Jan 20th, 2017 at 10:08am
 
aquascoot wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 10:00am:
Bam wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 8:25am:
Grendel wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 8:06am:
Yep and the Unemployed need jobs so they can have a life.  What do you think the Government and businesses should be doing to correct the current situation where we have 550,000 Australians without a job even if we  filled all the available jobs today?

You're wrong here, Grendel. You seem to have been misled by the inaccurate ABS statistics. The actual number of unemployed is over a million Australian workers.

Someone doesn't have to be actively looking for work to be unemployed and willing to work.



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what should the government and business be doing?
nothing.
its not their problem

if youre unemployed its YOUR problem.

FFS ...wake up and make yourself more EMPLOYABLE.
being a cry baby and expecting others to always fix your problems is MAKING you unemployable.
If you think that way, you are frigging toxic.
No employer in his right mind would touch you with a 50 foot barge pole.
talk about a "self fulfilling prophesy"


Why do the Libs celebrate when the unemployment numbers ( very rarely) go down then  Cheesy
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Reply #334 - Jan 20th, 2017 at 10:18am
 
Its time wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 10:08am:
aquascoot wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 10:00am:
Bam wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 8:25am:
Grendel wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 8:06am:
Yep and the Unemployed need jobs so they can have a life.  What do you think the Government and businesses should be doing to correct the current situation where we have 550,000 Australians without a job even if we  filled all the available jobs today?

You're wrong here, Grendel. You seem to have been misled by the inaccurate ABS statistics. The actual number of unemployed is over a million Australian workers.

Someone doesn't have to be actively looking for work to be unemployed and willing to work.



LOL

what should the government and business be doing?
nothing.
its not their problem

if youre unemployed its YOUR problem.

FFS ...wake up and make yourself more EMPLOYABLE.
being a cry baby and expecting others to always fix your problems is MAKING you unemployable.
If you think that way, you are frigging toxic.
No employer in his right mind would touch you with a 50 foot barge pole.
talk about a "self fulfilling prophesy"


Why do the Libs celebrate when the unemployment numbers ( very rarely) go down then  Cheesy



Governments can set the rules but they cant play the game. They are purely the umpires. They should be seen but not heard. A government celebrating this fact(unemployment numbers)  is like the umpire in a football match celebrating a goal. Totally ludicrous.

Businesses exist because someone had the guts drive and courage to start a business from his own initiative.
His purpose is to make a profit, not to employ toxic worms who want to take and give back as little as possible.
The business owner recognises that his workers ARE in many cases, the most important asset in his business. he goes out of his way to recruit people who want to contribute to his success and he rewards them handsomely. He wouldnt piss on a negative toxic cry baby but he would go to any lengths to help a dynamic driven purposeful employee who has a great smile, a positive attitude and a love for his business.

If you want employment, i suggest you work on developing those attributes and stop being needy little creepers
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Reply #335 - Jan 20th, 2017 at 12:15pm
 
Valkie wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 5:11am:
Unforgiven wrote on Jan 19th, 2017 at 9:11pm:
Dnarever wrote on Jan 19th, 2017 at 6:38pm:
John Smith wrote on Jan 18th, 2017 at 10:17am:
Dnarever wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 7:54pm:
You do know that nobody is getting around 10% these days,



i don't think he's referring to earnings, I think he's talking about splitting the worth by the estimated 10 yrs ($1m by 10 gives her $100 000 per annum) chances are she probably wouldn't spend that anyway so it'll most likely last her longer than the ten years.

rhino wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 8:44pm:
of course if she doesnt die at the age of 82 then theres a problem isnt here? What do you suggest, making her into soylent green?


then she would be entitled to the pension


She sold her home remember - you know how tough it is on the pension when you pay rent ?

There is about enough left for a nice can of pal.


That's ten years down the road and she may no longer need above-ground shelter.


Poor little troll.
You have slipped back into your illness again.
You must try harder to see things from another perspective and stop believing that the whole world is tainted like you.

As for your earlier post.
I DO believe that Im entitled to the "Free" money that Goveco has stolen from me over my lifetime.
I have paid and continue to pay shite loads of tax to this worthless group of parasites.
I will find a way to claw and scrape back at least some of what I have given to them.
If I'm lucky enough to live as long as my father, I know it can be done.

I do not believe that I should have to fund drug addicts, retards, lazy and stoopid people that have as much drive as a broken down Vee Dubb.
I have worked and saved, amassed many toys, bought my own home and raised a family without any assistance from Govco over the last nearly 50 years.
I deserve something for my effort and work.

Why should I receive any less than some lazy, wasteful bludger who didn't work hard enough, long enough or smart enough to buy his own home and build up a nest egg?

Where is my reward for paying tax for all those years?

What have these worthless many done to deserve that which I, a fully funded functioning taxpayer do not?

I say;
Pay a pension based on how long you have worked, without an asset test.
Pay a pension based on contribution, not on laziness or stoopdiity or bad choices.
Pay a pension based on what an individual is used to living on, not some below average wage crap.

I realize that this will probably preclude you from
a) a pension based on your burger flipping income.
b) you poor life choices.
c) your laziness at not sufficiently educating or training yourself.
d) the barely minimum amount of tax you have paid because of your low income.

But hey;
Such is life.



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Reply #336 - Jan 20th, 2017 at 1:10pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 10:18am:
Its time wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 10:08am:
aquascoot wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 10:00am:
Bam wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 8:25am:
Grendel wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 8:06am:
Yep and the Unemployed need jobs so they can have a life.  What do you think the Government and businesses should be doing to correct the current situation where we have 550,000 Australians without a job even if we  filled all the available jobs today?

You're wrong here, Grendel. You seem to have been misled by the inaccurate ABS statistics. The actual number of unemployed is over a million Australian workers.

Someone doesn't have to be actively looking for work to be unemployed and willing to work.



LOL

what should the government and business be doing?
nothing.
its not their problem

if youre unemployed its YOUR problem.

FFS ...wake up and make yourself more EMPLOYABLE.
being a cry baby and expecting others to always fix your problems is MAKING you unemployable.
If you think that way, you are frigging toxic.
No employer in his right mind would touch you with a 50 foot barge pole.
talk about a "self fulfilling prophesy"


Why do the Libs celebrate when the unemployment numbers ( very rarely) go down then  Cheesy



Governments can set the rules but they cant play the game. They are purely the umpires. They should be seen but not heard. A government celebrating this fact(unemployment numbers)  is like the umpire in a football match celebrating a goal. Totally ludicrous.

Businesses exist because someone had the guts drive and courage to start a business from his own initiative.
His purpose is to make a profit, not to employ toxic worms who want to take and give back as little as possible.
The business owner recognises that his workers ARE in many cases, the most important asset in his business. he goes out of his way to recruit people who want to contribute to his success and he rewards them handsomely. He wouldnt piss on a negative toxic cry baby but he would go to any lengths to help a dynamic driven purposeful employee who has a great smile, a positive attitude and a love for his business.

If you want employment, i suggest you work on developing those attributes and stop being needy little creepers

Of course the government can create jobs. The government can mandate full employment - it did so in Australia for 30 years. That period brought the greatest period of general prosperity in Australia and that wasn't a coincidence.

The idea that the government shouldn't create jobs is cryptofascist neoliberal crap. Of course the government can create jobs. Good governments do this. The market simply doesn't work. If it did work, everyone would also be working.

The world is waking up to the oppression of neoliberalism, it wants to throw off the yoke of neoliberal oppression that is forcing people out of work and keeping them there, and it is going to end in one of three ways - voting out neoliberalism at elections, jailing the neoliberals or with neoliberals at the point of a gun. Yes, it is getting that bad.

Next time you cater for a wedding, why not hold it according to strict neoliberal principles - 100 guests attend, but only cater enough meals for 80 of them, and have dry cracker biscuits for the other 20 and those who miss out on a proper meal get vilified mercilessly for not choosing to eat. It will save you a bucketload of money, but like neoliberalsim will do social harm.

GO on - if you believe your neoliberal dogma so much, why don't you have the courage to apply it to ALL facets of your daily life?
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Re: The growing Centrelink debt scandal
Reply #337 - Jan 20th, 2017 at 1:27pm
 
Bam wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 1:10pm:
aquascoot wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 10:18am:
Its time wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 10:08am:
aquascoot wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 10:00am:
Bam wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 8:25am:
Grendel wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 8:06am:
Yep and the Unemployed need jobs so they can have a life.  What do you think the Government and businesses should be doing to correct the current situation where we have 550,000 Australians without a job even if we  filled all the available jobs today?

You're wrong here, Grendel. You seem to have been misled by the inaccurate ABS statistics. The actual number of unemployed is over a million Australian workers.

Someone doesn't have to be actively looking for work to be unemployed and willing to work.



LOL

what should the government and business be doing?
nothing.
its not their problem

if youre unemployed its YOUR problem.

FFS ...wake up and make yourself more EMPLOYABLE.
being a cry baby and expecting others to always fix your problems is MAKING you unemployable.
If you think that way, you are frigging toxic.
No employer in his right mind would touch you with a 50 foot barge pole.
talk about a "self fulfilling prophesy"


Why do the Libs celebrate when the unemployment numbers ( very rarely) go down then  Cheesy



Governments can set the rules but they cant play the game. They are purely the umpires. They should be seen but not heard. A government celebrating this fact(unemployment numbers)  is like the umpire in a football match celebrating a goal. Totally ludicrous.

Businesses exist because someone had the guts drive and courage to start a business from his own initiative.
His purpose is to make a profit, not to employ toxic worms who want to take and give back as little as possible.
The business owner recognises that his workers ARE in many cases, the most important asset in his business. he goes out of his way to recruit people who want to contribute to his success and he rewards them handsomely. He wouldnt piss on a negative toxic cry baby but he would go to any lengths to help a dynamic driven purposeful employee who has a great smile, a positive attitude and a love for his business.

If you want employment, i suggest you work on developing those attributes and stop being needy little creepers

Of course the government can create jobs. The government can mandate full employment - it did so in Australia for 30 years. That period brought the greatest period of general prosperity in Australia and that wasn't a coincidence.

The idea that the government shouldn't create jobs is cryptofascist neoliberal crap. Of course the government can create jobs. Good governments do this. The market simply doesn't work. If it did work, everyone would also be working.

The world is waking up to the oppression of neoliberalism, it wants to throw off the yoke of neoliberal oppression that is forcing people out of work and keeping them there, and it is going to end in one of three ways - voting out neoliberalism at elections, jailing the neoliberals or with neoliberals at the point of a gun. Yes, it is getting that bad.

Next time you cater for a wedding, why not hold it according to strict neoliberal principles - 100 guests attend, but only cater enough meals for 80 of them, and have dry cracker biscuits for the other 20 and those who miss out on a proper meal get vilified mercilessly for not choosing to eat. It will save you a bucketload of money, but like neoliberalsim will do social harm.

GO on - if you believe your neoliberal dogma so much, why don't you have the courage to apply it to ALL facets of your daily life?

Not only CAN they create jobs, it should be MANDATORY for them to do so.

Whether by SPENDING on capital-works programs and infrastructure-building/updating, or by
employing more public servants. Just-about every department is at crisis-level, employee-wise
(needless to say, mid and upper-level bureaucrats multiply like rabbits and are less productive).

Also, it should be MANDATORY to re-fund TAFE and mandate that business take-on apprentices
(tax rebates should naturally apply) but absolutely forbidden to subsidise employers to take-on
employees - that money should go to the newly-successsful job-seeker.
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Reply #338 - Jan 20th, 2017 at 1:41pm
 
Bam wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 8:25am:
Grendel wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 8:06am:
Yep and the Unemployed need jobs so they can have a life.  What do you think the Government and businesses should be doing to correct the current situation where we have 550,000 Australians without a job even if we  filled all the available jobs today?

You're wrong here, Grendel. You seem to have been misled by the inaccurate ABS statistics. The actual number of unemployed is over a million Australian workers.

Someone doesn't have to be actively looking for work to be unemployed and willing to work.

that may be...  and obviously the unemployment figures are much greater than those recognised by government whether Labor or Liberal.
BUT...  I am using the Nov 2016 ABS stats because they are accurate and cant be refuted.  Until another reliable source can be quoted and accepted by both sides of politics then these will have to suffice.
The Unemployed are 725,000...
Job vacancies are 181,000...
therefore there are 544,000 with no job prospect at all.

The point being that those braindead on this need to accept that there are many people who do not have a job and cant get a job in Australia, because they simply don't exist.
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Reply #339 - Jan 20th, 2017 at 1:43pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 10:00am:
Bam wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 8:25am:
Grendel wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 8:06am:
Yep and the Unemployed need jobs so they can have a life.  What do you think the Government and businesses should be doing to correct the current situation where we have 550,000 Australians without a job even if we  filled all the available jobs today?

You're wrong here, Grendel. You seem to have been misled by the inaccurate ABS statistics. The actual number of unemployed is over a million Australian workers.

Someone doesn't have to be actively looking for work to be unemployed and willing to work.



LOL

what should the government and business be doing?
nothing.
its not their problem

if youre unemployed its YOUR problem.

FFS ...wake up and make yourself more EMPLOYABLE.
being a cry baby and expecting others to always fix your problems is MAKING you unemployable.
If you think that way, you are frigging toxic.
No employer in his right mind would touch you with a 50 foot barge pole.
talk about a "self fulfilling prophesy"

Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Roll Eyes

If government and business do not provide jobs sunshine the vast majority of us would be out of work. Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #340 - Jan 20th, 2017 at 3:57pm
 
Grendel wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 1:41pm:
Bam wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 8:25am:
Grendel wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 8:06am:
Yep and the Unemployed need jobs so they can have a life.  What do you think the Government and businesses should be doing to correct the current situation where we have 550,000 Australians without a job even if we  filled all the available jobs today?

You're wrong here, Grendel. You seem to have been misled by the inaccurate ABS statistics. The actual number of unemployed is over a million Australian workers.

Someone doesn't have to be actively looking for work to be unemployed and willing to work.

that may be...  and obviously the unemployment figures are much greater than those recognised by government whether Labor or Liberal.
BUT...  I am using the Nov 2016 ABS stats because they are accurate and cant be refuted.  Until another reliable source can be quoted and accepted by both sides of politics then these will have to suffice.
The Unemployed are 725,000...
Job vacancies are 181,000...
therefore there are 544,000 with no job prospect at all.

The point being that those braindead on this need to accept that there are many people who do not have a job and cant get a job in Australia, because they simply don't exist.

Your point is valid regardless of which metric is used. It's worth pointing out though that the ABS criteria has a very narrow definition that excludes many people from the official figures. You are also correct to say that this deception is perpetuated by both sides of politics.
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Reply #341 - Jan 20th, 2017 at 4:06pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 10:00am:
Bam wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 8:25am:
Grendel wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 8:06am:
Yep and the Unemployed need jobs so they can have a life.  What do you think the Government and businesses should be doing to correct the current situation where we have 550,000 Australians without a job even if we  filled all the available jobs today?

You're wrong here, Grendel. You seem to have been misled by the inaccurate ABS statistics. The actual number of unemployed is over a million Australian workers.

Someone doesn't have to be actively looking for work to be unemployed and willing to work.



LOL

what should the government and business be doing?
nothing.
its not their problem

That's weapons-grade horseshit. It IS their problem. They DELIBERATELY create artificial scarcity in the job market and unjustly persecute the unemployed. And they do this quite deliberately - so the 90% are kept living in fear of unemployment, too afraid to ask for the full value of their labour, all so the fat cats in the top end of town can keep taking far more than their fair share of the wealth of the country for themselves.

And you say they are not the ones responsible? When according to your other horseshit they are the "job creators?" If they are not creating enough jobs, they MUST be responsible. Why do you post such contradictory nonsense?

aquascoot wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 10:00am:
if youre unemployed its YOUR problem.

Yeah, right, create half a million victims and then blame them.

When will you stop this neoliberal horseshit that infests your posting? Or do you have to be spooned your own horseshit to know just how nasty it is?
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Reply #342 - Jan 20th, 2017 at 8:05pm
 
Bam wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 4:06pm:
aquascoot wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 10:00am:
Bam wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 8:25am:
Grendel wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 8:06am:
Yep and the Unemployed need jobs so they can have a life.  What do you think the Government and businesses should be doing to correct the current situation where we have 550,000 Australians without a job even if we  filled all the available jobs today?

You're wrong here, Grendel. You seem to have been misled by the inaccurate ABS statistics. The actual number of unemployed is over a million Australian workers.

Someone doesn't have to be actively looking for work to be unemployed and willing to work.



LOL

what should the government and business be doing?
nothing.
its not their problem

That's weapons-grade horseshit. It IS their problem. They DELIBERATELY create artificial scarcity in the job market and unjustly persecute the unemployed. And they do this quite deliberately - so the 90% are kept living in fear of unemployment, too afraid to ask for the full value of their labour, all so the fat cats in the top end of town can keep taking far more than their fair share of the wealth of the country for themselves.

And you say they are not the ones responsible? When according to your other horseshit they are the "job creators?" If they are not creating enough jobs, they MUST be responsible. Why do you post such contradictory nonsense?

aquascoot wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 10:00am:
if youre unemployed its YOUR problem.

Yeah, right, create half a million victims and then blame them.

When will you stop this neoliberal horseshit that infests your posting? Or do you have to be spooned your own horseshit to know just how nasty it is?


The truly sad thing is that no matter how many times you lay the facts before them, they simply
refuse to see, then go off once again with their 'bludger' mantra.

Ferk, it's getting tiresome, the more so because it has no basis in fact.

What will it take - the loss of THEIR job, or a cut to THEIR pension, or THEIR super being white-
anted - before they wake up?

Or not even then?

God help Australia.

Because our system and our government most certainly are not.
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Reply #343 - Jan 20th, 2017 at 8:31pm
 
Unforgiven wrote on Jan 19th, 2017 at 9:11pm:
Dnarever wrote on Jan 19th, 2017 at 6:38pm:
John Smith wrote on Jan 18th, 2017 at 10:17am:
Dnarever wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 7:54pm:
You do know that nobody is getting around 10% these days,



i don't think he's referring to earnings, I think he's talking about splitting the worth by the estimated 10 yrs ($1m by 10 gives her $100 000 per annum) chances are she probably wouldn't spend that anyway so it'll most likely last her longer than the ten years.

rhino wrote on Jan 17th, 2017 at 8:44pm:
of course if she doesnt die at the age of 82 then theres a problem isnt here? What do you suggest, making her into soylent green?


then she would be entitled to the pension


She sold her home remember - you know how tough it is on the pension when you pay rent ?

There is about enough left for a nice can of pal.


That's ten years down the road and she may no longer need above-ground shelter.


Surely she is entitled to have saved to cater for the possibility that she would live longer?
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Reply #344 - Jan 20th, 2017 at 8:33pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Jan 20th, 2017 at 10:00am:
what should the government and business be doing?
nothing.
its not their problem




How many million jobs did Abbott promise to create ????
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