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Re: Threat to freedom of speech isn't 18c
Reply #60 - Dec 17^th, 2016 at 3:15pm

mothra wrote on Dec 17^th, 2016 at 3:12pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 17^th, 2016 at 3:12pm:

mothra wrote on Dec 17^th, 2016 at 3:11pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Dec 17^th, 2016 at 3:10pm:

mothra wrote on Dec 17^th, 2016 at 3:03pm:

He refused to remove subject matter that vilified Jewish people.

You think you are clever FD but you are really making a fool of yourself.

Publicising racial vilification is not merely holding an opinion, now is it?

I have opinions on all sorts of things. Never been jailed for any of them although some are highly contentious.

What muddled thinking.

Perhaps you can tell me then who has been jailed for holding an opinion?

Gerald Fredrick Toben.

Now say something incredibly stupid.

He was not jailed for holding an opinion.

so why then?

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Re: Threat to freedom of speech isn't 18c
Reply #61 - Dec 17^th, 2016 at 3:15pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 17^th, 2016 at 3:12pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 17^th, 2016 at 3:10pm:

According to Mothra, because they got a court order to enforce it, they had nothing to do with it.

Yep. Arguing with motheaten is like banging your head against a wall FD.

Oh good for you. You've got Mr. Hammer on your side.

That would tell most people something but you're a special kind of belligerent, aren't you FD?

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Re: Threat to freedom of speech isn't 18c
Reply #62 - Dec 17^th, 2016 at 3:15pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 17^th, 2016 at 3:15pm:

mothra wrote on Dec 17^th, 2016 at 3:12pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 17^th, 2016 at 3:12pm:

mothra wrote on Dec 17^th, 2016 at 3:11pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Dec 17^th, 2016 at 3:10pm:

mothra wrote on Dec 17^th, 2016 at 3:03pm:

He refused to remove subject matter that vilified Jewish people.

You think you are clever FD but you are really making a fool of yourself.

Publicising racial vilification is not merely holding an opinion, now is it?

I have opinions on all sorts of things. Never been jailed for any of them although some are highly contentious.

What muddled thinking.

Perhaps you can tell me then who has been jailed for holding an opinion?

Gerald Fredrick Toben.

Now say something incredibly stupid.

He was not jailed for holding an opinion.

so why then?

I and many others have already said it.

He was jailed for contempt of court.

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Re: Threat to freedom of speech isn't 18c
Reply #63 - Dec 17^th, 2016 at 3:16pm

mothra wrote on Dec 17^th, 2016 at 3:15pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 17^th, 2016 at 3:12pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 17^th, 2016 at 3:10pm:

According to Mothra, because they got a court order to enforce it, they had nothing to do with it.

Yep. Arguing with motheaten is like banging your head against a wall FD.

Oh good for you. You've got Mr. Hammer on your side.

That would tell most people something but you're a special kind of belligerent, aren't you FD?

You are so retarded you can't believe that people have been thrown in the can for having opinions that others don't like. That is very naïve. Grin

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Re: Threat to freedom of speech isn't 18c
Reply #64 - Dec 17^th, 2016 at 3:17pm

mothra wrote on Dec 17^th, 2016 at 3:15pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 17^th, 2016 at 3:15pm:

mothra wrote on Dec 17^th, 2016 at 3:12pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 17^th, 2016 at 3:12pm:

mothra wrote on Dec 17^th, 2016 at 3:11pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Dec 17^th, 2016 at 3:10pm:

mothra wrote on Dec 17^th, 2016 at 3:03pm:

He refused to remove subject matter that vilified Jewish people.

You think you are clever FD but you are really making a fool of yourself.

Publicising racial vilification is not merely holding an opinion, now is it?

I have opinions on all sorts of things. Never been jailed for any of them although some are highly contentious.

What muddled thinking.

Perhaps you can tell me then who has been jailed for holding an opinion?

Gerald Fredrick Toben.

Now say something incredibly stupid.

He was not jailed for holding an opinion.

so why then?

I and many others have already said it.

He was jailed for contempt of court.

why?

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Re: Threat to freedom of speech isn't 18c
Reply #65 - Dec 17^th, 2016 at 3:20pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 17^th, 2016 at 3:17pm:

mothra wrote on Dec 17^th, 2016 at 3:15pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 17^th, 2016 at 3:15pm:

mothra wrote on Dec 17^th, 2016 at 3:12pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 17^th, 2016 at 3:12pm:

mothra wrote on Dec 17^th, 2016 at 3:11pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Dec 17^th, 2016 at 3:10pm:

mothra wrote on Dec 17^th, 2016 at 3:03pm:

He refused to remove subject matter that vilified Jewish people.

You think you are clever FD but you are really making a fool of yourself.

Publicising racial vilification is not merely holding an opinion, now is it?

I have opinions on all sorts of things. Never been jailed for any of them although some are highly contentious.

What muddled thinking.

Perhaps you can tell me then who has been jailed for holding an opinion?

Gerald Fredrick Toben.

Now say something incredibly stupid.

He was not jailed for holding an opinion.

so why then?

I and many others have already said it.

He was jailed for contempt of court.

why?

For refraining from publicising material on his website that vilified Jews.

You think you're laying a trap, don't you. You're so cute.

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Re: Threat to freedom of speech isn't 18c
Reply #66 - Dec 17^th, 2016 at 3:23pm

mothra wrote on Dec 17^th, 2016 at 3:20pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 17^th, 2016 at 3:17pm:

mothra wrote on Dec 17^th, 2016 at 3:15pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 17^th, 2016 at 3:15pm:

mothra wrote on Dec 17^th, 2016 at 3:12pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 17^th, 2016 at 3:12pm:

mothra wrote on Dec 17^th, 2016 at 3:11pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Dec 17^th, 2016 at 3:10pm:

mothra wrote on Dec 17^th, 2016 at 3:03pm:

He refused to remove subject matter that vilified Jewish people.

You think you are clever FD but you are really making a fool of yourself.

Publicising racial vilification is not merely holding an opinion, now is it?

I have opinions on all sorts of things. Never been jailed for any of them although some are highly contentious.

What muddled thinking.

Perhaps you can tell me then who has been jailed for holding an opinion?

Gerald Fredrick Toben.

Now say something incredibly stupid.

He was not jailed for holding an opinion.

so why then?

I and many others have already said it.

He was jailed for contempt of court.

why?

For refraining from publicising material on his website that vilified Jews.

You think you're laying a trap, don't you. You're so cute.

Vilified. Didn't he deny the holocaust. Why did the powers that be want it taken down?

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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 37678 Gender:	Re: Threat to freedom of speech isn't 18c Reply #67 - Dec 17^th, 2016 at 3:30pm Quote: Vilified. Didn't he deny the holocaust. Why did the powers that be want it taken down? I guess because it infringed on 18C and there was no valid defence under 18D?
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Mr Hammer Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 25212 Gender:	Re: Threat to freedom of speech isn't 18c Reply #68 - Dec 17^th, 2016 at 3:32pm Aussie wrote on Dec 17^th, 2016 at 3:30pm: Quote: Vilified. Didn't he deny the holocaust. Why did the powers that be want it taken down? I guess because it infringed on 18C and there was no valid defence under 18D? so under 18c he offended jews by his opinions.
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Re: Threat to freedom of speech isn't 18c
Reply #69 - Dec 17^th, 2016 at 3:34pm

mothra wrote on Dec 17^th, 2016 at 3:11pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Dec 17^th, 2016 at 3:10pm:

mothra wrote on Dec 17^th, 2016 at 3:03pm:

He refused to remove subject matter that vilified Jewish people.

You think you are clever FD but you are really making a fool of yourself.

Publicising racial vilification is not merely holding an opinion, now is it?

I have opinions on all sorts of things. Never been jailed for any of them although some are highly contentious.

What muddled thinking.

Perhaps you can tell me then who has been jailed for holding an opinion?

I am not going to comment on the case. I am simply laughing at "Publicising racial vilification is not merely holding an opinion, now is it?" So was he holding an opinion or not?

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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 47366 At my desk.	Re: Threat to freedom of speech isn't 18c Reply #70 - Dec 17^th, 2016 at 3:38pm He did far more than hold an opinion. He told people about it. That is how Mothra knows that 18c is not a threat to freedom of speech. All he had to do was keep his opinion to himself.
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Re: Threat to freedom of speech isn't 18c
Reply #71 - Dec 17^th, 2016 at 3:39pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Dec 17^th, 2016 at 3:34pm:

mothra wrote on Dec 17^th, 2016 at 3:11pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Dec 17^th, 2016 at 3:10pm:

mothra wrote on Dec 17^th, 2016 at 3:03pm:

He refused to remove subject matter that vilified Jewish people.

You think you are clever FD but you are really making a fool of yourself.

Publicising racial vilification is not merely holding an opinion, now is it?

I have opinions on all sorts of things. Never been jailed for any of them although some are highly contentious.

What muddled thinking.

Perhaps you can tell me then who has been jailed for holding an opinion?

I am not going to comment on the case. I am simply laughing at "Publicising racial vilification is not merely holding an opinion, now is it?" So was he holding an opinion or not?

Difficult concept for you? Merely holding an opinion is not publicising that opinion.

No-one has been jailed in Australia for holing an opinion.

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Re: Threat to freedom of speech isn't 18c
Reply #72 - Dec 17^th, 2016 at 3:43pm

freediver wrote on Dec 17^th, 2016 at 3:38pm:

He did far more than hold an opinion. He told people about it. That is how Mothra knows that 18c is not a threat to freedom of speech. All he had to do was keep his opinion to himself.

No, he could share it. People say on here all sorts of things that contravene 18c.

Are they prosecuted?

No, they're usually backed up.

Publicising something under your own name and inviting public comment that vilifies people is a direct breach of 18 and if indefensible under 18d can be ordered to be taken down.

You cannot go to jail for that opinion though. You can only be asked not to publicise it.

How is this a difficult concept for you?

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Re: Threat to freedom of speech isn't 18c
Reply #73 - Dec 17^th, 2016 at 3:44pm

mothra wrote on Dec 17^th, 2016 at 3:39pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Dec 17^th, 2016 at 3:34pm:

mothra wrote on Dec 17^th, 2016 at 3:11pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Dec 17^th, 2016 at 3:10pm:

mothra wrote on Dec 17^th, 2016 at 3:03pm:

He refused to remove subject matter that vilified Jewish people.

You think you are clever FD but you are really making a fool of yourself.

Publicising racial vilification is not merely holding an opinion, now is it?

I have opinions on all sorts of things. Never been jailed for any of them although some are highly contentious.

What muddled thinking.

Perhaps you can tell me then who has been jailed for holding an opinion?

I am not going to comment on the case. I am simply laughing at "Publicising racial vilification is not merely holding an opinion, now is it?" So was he holding an opinion or not?

Difficult concept for you? Merely holding an opinion is not publicising that opinion.

No-one has been jailed in Australia for holing an opinion.

lol. funny stuff.

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Re: Threat to freedom of speech isn't 18c
Reply #74 - Dec 17^th, 2016 at 3:44pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 17^th, 2016 at 3:32pm:

Aussie wrote on Dec 17^th, 2016 at 3:30pm:

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Vilified. Didn't he deny the holocaust. Why did the powers that be want it taken down?

I guess because it infringed on 18C and there was no valid defence under 18D?

so under 18c he offended jews by his opinions.

Denying the Holocaust is more than just offending a few Jews. Holocaust survivors live in its shadow, as do their descendants. The one thing they left the concentration camps with was the compulsion to get the message out, to tell the story.

Denying the biggest genocide of the 20th century is far more than offending the thin-skinned. I'm not sure that denying history should be illegal. But given what such propaganda is capable of achieving, I'm not so unhappy that it is.

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