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Re: Threat to freedom of speech isn't 18c
Reply #45 - Dec 17th, 2016 at 2:52pm
 
freediver wrote on Dec 17th, 2016 at 2:50pm:
mothra wrote on Dec 17th, 2016 at 1:38pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 17th, 2016 at 1:37pm:
mothra wrote on Dec 17th, 2016 at 1:29pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 17th, 2016 at 1:28pm:
Do tell Mothra. When you get jailed for your opinion, it is of great comfort to know that 18c merely made your opinion unlawful rather than illegal.




You don't get jailed for your opinion.


You do in Australia, thanks to 18c.

You do realise that that is what they mean by a "threat to freedom of speech" don't you?




Name one person who has been jailed for their opinion, Freediver.


Gerald Fredrick Toben.

Now say something incredibly stupid.


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Re: Threat to freedom of speech isn't 18c
Reply #46 - Dec 17th, 2016 at 2:55pm
 
Aussie wrote on Dec 17th, 2016 at 2:50pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 17th, 2016 at 2:45pm:
Aussie wrote on Dec 17th, 2016 at 2:40pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 17th, 2016 at 2:33pm:
mothra wrote on Dec 17th, 2016 at 2:28pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 17th, 2016 at 2:26pm:
mothra wrote on Dec 17th, 2016 at 2:23pm:
They weren't interned for having an opinion, Hammer.

Jesus.

Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin They hadn't done a crime Mothballs. You tell me why the Australia First Movement were jailed then. And it's highly debatable concerning Pauline Hanson.



It is not highly debatable regarding Pauline Hanson. She was jailed for fraud.

The Australia First movement jailed? What all of them? Please support your claim.

You jut get more wrong every time you type, you do know that, right?
She didn't commit fraud. She was pardoned. She was thrown in jail without proper procedure because she offended you leftards. Q2- Wikipedia and all of the other sources. look it up for yourself.


Crap.  She and Ettridge were convicted of fraud, and sentenced to three years.  They appealed.  Their appeal was upheld.  A verdict of acquittal was entered.  There was no pardon, and proper procedures were afforded them, including Trial by Jury which convicted them in the first place.
Pardoned means to be found not guilty and let out aussie. How were the proper procedures upheld when she was jailed when innocent?


You need to look up what a 'pardon' is.   She was charged with fraud.  She was duly tried in a District Court sitting with a Jury.  The Jury convicted her.  She was sentenced to three years.  She appealed.  The appeal was upheld by the Court of Appeal, which quashed the conviction and ordered a verdict of acquittal be entered in lieu of the conviction (in other words....no re-trial.)
bs. Pauline didn't commit fraud at all. at the re-trial it uncovered a miscarriage of justice and they then had to let them out. end of fa rking story.
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Re: Threat to freedom of speech isn't 18c
Reply #47 - Dec 17th, 2016 at 2:58pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 17th, 2016 at 2:55pm:
Aussie wrote on Dec 17th, 2016 at 2:50pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 17th, 2016 at 2:45pm:
Aussie wrote on Dec 17th, 2016 at 2:40pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 17th, 2016 at 2:33pm:
mothra wrote on Dec 17th, 2016 at 2:28pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 17th, 2016 at 2:26pm:
mothra wrote on Dec 17th, 2016 at 2:23pm:
They weren't interned for having an opinion, Hammer.

Jesus.

Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin They hadn't done a crime Mothballs. You tell me why the Australia First Movement were jailed then. And it's highly debatable concerning Pauline Hanson.



It is not highly debatable regarding Pauline Hanson. She was jailed for fraud.

The Australia First movement jailed? What all of them? Please support your claim.

You jut get more wrong every time you type, you do know that, right?
She didn't commit fraud. She was pardoned. She was thrown in jail without proper procedure because she offended you leftards. Q2- Wikipedia and all of the other sources. look it up for yourself.


Crap.  She and Ettridge were convicted of fraud, and sentenced to three years.  They appealed.  Their appeal was upheld.  A verdict of acquittal was entered.  There was no pardon, and proper procedures were afforded them, including Trial by Jury which convicted them in the first place.
Pardoned means to be found not guilty and let out aussie. How were the proper procedures upheld when she was jailed when innocent?


You need to look up what a 'pardon' is.   She was charged with fraud.  She was duly tried in a District Court sitting with a Jury.  The Jury convicted her.  She was sentenced to three years.  She appealed.  The appeal was upheld by the Court of Appeal, which quashed the conviction and ordered a verdict of acquittal be entered in lieu of the conviction (in other words....no re-trial.)
bs. Pauline didn't commit fraud at all. at the re-trial it uncovered a miscarriage of justice and they then had to let them out. end of fa rking story.


Terminology is important to avoid looking silly.  There was no re-trial.  There was an appeal to the Qld Court of Appeal which upheld the appeal.  Happens often.
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Re: Threat to freedom of speech isn't 18c
Reply #48 - Dec 17th, 2016 at 3:00pm
 
mothra wrote on Dec 17th, 2016 at 2:51pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 17th, 2016 at 2:50pm:
mothra wrote on Dec 17th, 2016 at 1:38pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 17th, 2016 at 1:37pm:
mothra wrote on Dec 17th, 2016 at 1:29pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 17th, 2016 at 1:28pm:
Do tell Mothra. When you get jailed for your opinion, it is of great comfort to know that 18c merely made your opinion unlawful rather than illegal.




You don't get jailed for your opinion.


You do in Australia, thanks to 18c.

You do realise that that is what they mean by a "threat to freedom of speech" don't you?




Name one person who has been jailed for their opinion, Freediver.


Gerald Fredrick Toben.

Now say something incredibly stupid.



No. He was jailed for contempt of court.


Right on queue.

So, what did he do that was so contemptuous?
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Re: Threat to freedom of speech isn't 18c
Reply #49 - Dec 17th, 2016 at 3:03pm
 
freediver wrote on Dec 17th, 2016 at 3:00pm:
mothra wrote on Dec 17th, 2016 at 2:51pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 17th, 2016 at 2:50pm:
mothra wrote on Dec 17th, 2016 at 1:38pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 17th, 2016 at 1:37pm:
mothra wrote on Dec 17th, 2016 at 1:29pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 17th, 2016 at 1:28pm:
Do tell Mothra. When you get jailed for your opinion, it is of great comfort to know that 18c merely made your opinion unlawful rather than illegal.




You don't get jailed for your opinion.


You do in Australia, thanks to 18c.

You do realise that that is what they mean by a "threat to freedom of speech" don't you?




Name one person who has been jailed for their opinion, Freediver.


Gerald Fredrick Toben.

Now say something incredibly stupid.



No. He was jailed for contempt of court.


Right on queue.

So, what did he do that was so contemptuous?



He refused to remove subject matter that vilified Jewish people.

You think you are clever FD but you are really making a fool of yourself.

Publicising racial vilification is not merely holding an opinion, now is it?

I have opinions on all sorts of things. Never been jailed for any of them although some are highly contentious.
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Re: Threat to freedom of speech isn't 18c
Reply #50 - Dec 17th, 2016 at 3:04pm
 
So i ask again .. and read carefully FD, and think before you answer.

Who has ever been jailed in Australia for holding an opinion?
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Re: Threat to freedom of speech isn't 18c
Reply #51 - Dec 17th, 2016 at 3:05pm
 
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Publicising racial vilification is not merely holding an opinion, now is it?


Correct. It is also telling other people what your opinion is. A jailable offence now, thanks to 18c.

Keep them coming Mothra. Tell us how it had nothing to do with 18c.
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Re: Threat to freedom of speech isn't 18c
Reply #52 - Dec 17th, 2016 at 3:07pm
 
mothra wrote on Dec 17th, 2016 at 3:03pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 17th, 2016 at 3:00pm:
mothra wrote on Dec 17th, 2016 at 2:51pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 17th, 2016 at 2:50pm:
mothra wrote on Dec 17th, 2016 at 1:38pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 17th, 2016 at 1:37pm:
mothra wrote on Dec 17th, 2016 at 1:29pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 17th, 2016 at 1:28pm:
Do tell Mothra. When you get jailed for your opinion, it is of great comfort to know that 18c merely made your opinion unlawful rather than illegal.




You don't get jailed for your opinion.


You do in Australia, thanks to 18c.

You do realise that that is what they mean by a "threat to freedom of speech" don't you?




Name one person who has been jailed for their opinion, Freediver.


Gerald Fredrick Toben.

Now say something incredibly stupid.



No. He was jailed for contempt of court.


Right on queue.

So, what did he do that was so contemptuous?



He refused to remove subject matter that vilified Jewish people.

You think you are clever FD but you are really making a fool of yourself.

Publicising racial vilification is not merely holding an opinion, now is it?

I have opinions on all sorts of things. Never been jailed for any of them although some are highly contentious.
He refused to remove subject matter that vilified Jewish people.....

So they didn't like his opinions and jailed him because he didn't remove them. Thanks. You just answered your own argument.

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Re: Threat to freedom of speech isn't 18c
Reply #53 - Dec 17th, 2016 at 3:09pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 17th, 2016 at 3:07pm:
mothra wrote on Dec 17th, 2016 at 3:03pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 17th, 2016 at 3:00pm:
mothra wrote on Dec 17th, 2016 at 2:51pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 17th, 2016 at 2:50pm:
mothra wrote on Dec 17th, 2016 at 1:38pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 17th, 2016 at 1:37pm:
mothra wrote on Dec 17th, 2016 at 1:29pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 17th, 2016 at 1:28pm:
Do tell Mothra. When you get jailed for your opinion, it is of great comfort to know that 18c merely made your opinion unlawful rather than illegal.




You don't get jailed for your opinion.


You do in Australia, thanks to 18c.

You do realise that that is what they mean by a "threat to freedom of speech" don't you?




Name one person who has been jailed for their opinion, Freediver.


Gerald Fredrick Toben.

Now say something incredibly stupid.



No. He was jailed for contempt of court.


Right on queue.

So, what did he do that was so contemptuous?



He refused to remove subject matter that vilified Jewish people.

You think you are clever FD but you are really making a fool of yourself.

Publicising racial vilification is not merely holding an opinion, now is it?

I have opinions on all sorts of things. Never been jailed for any of them although some are highly contentious.
He refused to remove subject matter that vilified Jewish people.....

So they didn't like his opinions and jailed him because he didn't remove them. Thanks. You just answered your own argument.




Nope. He was not jailed for holding an opinion.

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Re: Threat to freedom of speech isn't 18c
Reply #54 - Dec 17th, 2016 at 3:10pm
 
According to Mothra, because they got a court order to enforce it, they had nothing to do with it.

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Nope. He was not jailed for holding an opinion.


Well done Mothra. He also told people what his opinion was.

Keep going. You will figure it out eventually.
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Re: Threat to freedom of speech isn't 18c
Reply #55 - Dec 17th, 2016 at 3:10pm
 
mothra wrote on Dec 17th, 2016 at 3:03pm:
He refused to remove subject matter that vilified Jewish people.

You think you are clever FD but you are really making a fool of yourself.

Publicising racial vilification is not merely holding an opinion, now is it?

I have opinions on all sorts of things. Never been jailed for any of them although some are highly contentious.


What muddled thinking.
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Re: Threat to freedom of speech isn't 18c
Reply #56 - Dec 17th, 2016 at 3:11pm
 
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Dec 17th, 2016 at 3:10pm:
mothra wrote on Dec 17th, 2016 at 3:03pm:
He refused to remove subject matter that vilified Jewish people.

You think you are clever FD but you are really making a fool of yourself.

Publicising racial vilification is not merely holding an opinion, now is it?

I have opinions on all sorts of things. Never been jailed for any of them although some are highly contentious.


What muddled thinking.



Perhaps you can tell me then who has been jailed for holding an opinion?
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Re: Threat to freedom of speech isn't 18c
Reply #57 - Dec 17th, 2016 at 3:12pm
 
freediver wrote on Dec 17th, 2016 at 3:10pm:
According to Mothra, because they got a court order to enforce it, they had nothing to do with it.
Yep. Arguing with motheaten is like banging your head against a wall FD.
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Re: Threat to freedom of speech isn't 18c
Reply #58 - Dec 17th, 2016 at 3:12pm
 
freediver wrote on Dec 17th, 2016 at 3:10pm:
According to Mothra, because they got a court order to enforce it, they had nothing to do with it.

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Nope. He was not jailed for holding an opinion.


Well done Mothra. He also told people what his opinion was.

Keep going. You will figure it out eventually.



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Re: Threat to freedom of speech isn't 18c
Reply #59 - Dec 17th, 2016 at 3:12pm
 
freediver wrote on Dec 17th, 2016 at 3:12pm:
mothra wrote on Dec 17th, 2016 at 3:11pm:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Dec 17th, 2016 at 3:10pm:
mothra wrote on Dec 17th, 2016 at 3:03pm:
He refused to remove subject matter that vilified Jewish people.

You think you are clever FD but you are really making a fool of yourself.

Publicising racial vilification is not merely holding an opinion, now is it?

I have opinions on all sorts of things. Never been jailed for any of them although some are highly contentious.


What muddled thinking.



Perhaps you can tell me then who has been jailed for holding an opinion?


Gerald Fredrick Toben.

Now say something incredibly stupid.




He was not jailed for holding an opinion.
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