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Reply #15 - Dec 17th, 2016 at 1:26pm
 
Wonder if Longy understands the difference between unlawful and illegal as it pertains to 18c?
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Reply #16 - Dec 17th, 2016 at 1:28pm
 
Do tell Mothra. When you get jailed for your opinion, it is of great comfort to know that 18c merely made your opinion unlawful rather than illegal.
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Reply #17 - Dec 17th, 2016 at 1:29pm
 
freediver wrote on Dec 17th, 2016 at 1:28pm:
Do tell Mothra. When you get jailed for your opinion, it is of great comfort to know that 18c merely made your opinion unlawful rather than illegal.




You don't get jailed for your opinion.
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Reply #18 - Dec 17th, 2016 at 1:33pm
 
Oh loooook!!!!!  Yet another 18C Thread.  This'll be the 4th.  Yay!
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Reply #19 - Dec 17th, 2016 at 1:37pm
 
mothra wrote on Dec 17th, 2016 at 1:29pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 17th, 2016 at 1:28pm:
Do tell Mothra. When you get jailed for your opinion, it is of great comfort to know that 18c merely made your opinion unlawful rather than illegal.




You don't get jailed for your opinion.


You do in Australia, thanks to 18c.

You do realise that that is what they mean by a "threat to freedom of speech" don't you?
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Re: Threat to freedom of speech isn't 18c
Reply #20 - Dec 17th, 2016 at 1:38pm
 
freediver wrote on Dec 17th, 2016 at 1:37pm:
mothra wrote on Dec 17th, 2016 at 1:29pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 17th, 2016 at 1:28pm:
Do tell Mothra. When you get jailed for your opinion, it is of great comfort to know that 18c merely made your opinion unlawful rather than illegal.




You don't get jailed for your opinion.


You do in Australia, thanks to 18c.

You do realise that that is what they mean by a "threat to freedom of speech" don't you?




Name one person who has been jailed for their opinion, Freediver.
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Reply #21 - Dec 17th, 2016 at 1:41pm
 
mothra wrote on Dec 17th, 2016 at 1:38pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 17th, 2016 at 1:37pm:
mothra wrote on Dec 17th, 2016 at 1:29pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 17th, 2016 at 1:28pm:
Do tell Mothra. When you get jailed for your opinion, it is of great comfort to know that 18c merely made your opinion unlawful rather than illegal.




You don't get jailed for your opinion.


You do in Australia, thanks to 18c.

You do realise that that is what they mean by a "threat to freedom of speech" don't you?




Name one person who has been jailed for their opinion, Freediver.

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Holocaust denier jailed


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David Irving, the discredited British historian and Nazi apologist, was this week starting a three-year prison sentence in Vienna for denying the Holocaust and the gas chambers of Auschwitz.




people get jailed all over the world for their opinions mothballs.
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Reply #22 - Dec 17th, 2016 at 1:44pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 17th, 2016 at 1:41pm:
mothra wrote on Dec 17th, 2016 at 1:38pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 17th, 2016 at 1:37pm:
mothra wrote on Dec 17th, 2016 at 1:29pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 17th, 2016 at 1:28pm:
Do tell Mothra. When you get jailed for your opinion, it is of great comfort to know that 18c merely made your opinion unlawful rather than illegal.




You don't get jailed for your opinion.


You do in Australia, thanks to 18c.

You do realise that that is what they mean by a "threat to freedom of speech" don't you?




Name one person who has been jailed for their opinion, Freediver.

  International News


Holocaust denier jailed


Ian Traynor
Guardian Weekly


David Irving, the discredited British historian and Nazi apologist, was this week starting a three-year prison sentence in Vienna for denying the Holocaust and the gas chambers of Auschwitz.




people get jailed all over the world for their opinions mothballs.




Firstly, that's not under 18c, you muppet.

Secondly, is it their opinions that got them into trouble? Or what they did with those opinions?
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Reply #23 - Dec 17th, 2016 at 1:44pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 17th, 2016 at 1:41pm:
mothra wrote on Dec 17th, 2016 at 1:38pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 17th, 2016 at 1:37pm:
mothra wrote on Dec 17th, 2016 at 1:29pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 17th, 2016 at 1:28pm:
Do tell Mothra. When you get jailed for your opinion, it is of great comfort to know that 18c merely made your opinion unlawful rather than illegal.




You don't get jailed for your opinion.


You do in Australia, thanks to 18c.

You do realise that that is what they mean by a "threat to freedom of speech" don't you?




Name one person who has been jailed for their opinion, Freediver.

  International News


Holocaust denier jailed


Ian Traynor
Guardian Weekly


David Irving, the discredited British historian and Nazi apologist, was this week starting a three-year prison sentence in Vienna for denying the Holocaust and the gas chambers of Auschwitz.




people get jailed all over the world for their opinions mothballs.


She obviously meant in Australia given the Australian context. 
(I do wish she had never asked because FD will now take you all on the usual perpetual motion merry-go-round, as per the other THREE Threads.)

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Re: Threat to freedom of speech isn't 18c
Reply #24 - Dec 17th, 2016 at 1:52pm
 
Aussie wrote on Dec 17th, 2016 at 1:44pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 17th, 2016 at 1:41pm:
mothra wrote on Dec 17th, 2016 at 1:38pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 17th, 2016 at 1:37pm:
mothra wrote on Dec 17th, 2016 at 1:29pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 17th, 2016 at 1:28pm:
Do tell Mothra. When you get jailed for your opinion, it is of great comfort to know that 18c merely made your opinion unlawful rather than illegal.




You don't get jailed for your opinion.


You do in Australia, thanks to 18c.

You do realise that that is what they mean by a "threat to freedom of speech" don't you?




Name one person who has been jailed for their opinion, Freediver.

  International News


Holocaust denier jailed


Ian Traynor
Guardian Weekly


David Irving, the discredited British historian and Nazi apologist, was this week starting a three-year prison sentence in Vienna for denying the Holocaust and the gas chambers of Auschwitz.




people get jailed all over the world for their opinions mothballs.


She obviously meant in Australia given the Australian context. 
(I do wish she had never asked because FD will now take you all on the usual perpetual motion merry-go-round, as per the other THREE Threads.)

Of course people have been jailed in Australia for their opinions. Pauline even got thrown in the can. 18c is a further journey up that road.
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Reply #25 - Dec 17th, 2016 at 1:55pm
 
Nobody in Australia has ever been jailed for their opinion.

Pauline Hanson was not jailed for her opinion.
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Reply #26 - Dec 17th, 2016 at 2:00pm
 
mothra wrote on Dec 17th, 2016 at 1:55pm:
Nobody in Australia has ever been jailed for their opinion.

Pauline Hanson was not jailed for her opinion.
Oh yes they have dear. People were  jailed for having all sorts of opinions during the 2nd world war for instance.  You have no idea Mothballs.
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Reply #27 - Dec 17th, 2016 at 2:01pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Dec 17th, 2016 at 2:00pm:
mothra wrote on Dec 17th, 2016 at 1:55pm:
Nobody in Australia has ever been jailed for their opinion.

Pauline Hanson was not jailed for her opinion.
Oh yes they have dear. People were  jailed for having all sorts of opinions during the 2nd world war for instance.  You have no idea Mothballs.



Cite an instance.
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Reply #28 - Dec 17th, 2016 at 2:19pm
 
For Mothballs- Wartime internment camps in Australia

Cover of An Illustrated Diary of Australian Internment by Edmond Samuels
Cover of An Illustrated Diary of Australian Internment by Edmond Samuels (NAA: A1336, 7597)
In the interests of national security the Australian Government interned thousands of men, women and children during World War I and World War II. Most of those interned were classed as 'enemy aliens', that is, nationals of countries at war with Australia. Internees were accommodated in camps around Australia, often in remote locations.

The National Archives holds records about these camps, their development and administration, as well as about the government policy that established them. Our collection also includes records about the people who spent the war years in internment.


Contents
World War I
World War II
Residents of Australia
Overseas internees
Prisoners of war
Camp life
After the wars
Resources on wartime internment in Australia

World War I

During World War I, for security reasons the Australian Government pursued a comprehensive internment policy against enemy aliens living in Australia.

Initially only those born in countries at war with Australia were classed as enemy aliens, but later this was expanded to include people of enemy nations who were naturalised British subjects, Australian-born descendants of migrants born in enemy nations and others who were thought to pose a threat to Australia's security.

Australia interned almost 7000 people during World War I, of whom about 4500 were enemy aliens and British nationals of German ancestry already resident in Australia.

Records of World War I internment camps

World War II

During World War II, Australian authorities established internment camps for three reasons – to prevent residents from assisting Australia's enemies, to appease public opinion and to house overseas internees sent to Australia for the duration of the war.

Unlike World War I, the initial aim of internment during the later conflict was to identify and intern those who posed a particular threat to the safety or defence of the country. As the war progressed, however, this policy changed and Japanese residents were interned en masse. In the later years of the war, Germans and Italians were also interned on the basis of nationality, particularly those living in the north of Australia. In all, just over 20 per cent of all Italians resident in Australia were interned.

Australia interned about 7000 residents, including more than 1500 British nationals, during World War II. A further 8000 people were sent to Australia to be interned after being detained overseas by Australia's allies. At its peak in 1942, more than 12,000 people were interned in Australia.

Records of World War II internment camps

Residents of Australia

Most internees during both wars were nationals of Australia's main enemy nations already living in Australia. During World War I Germans made up the majority of internees. During World War II, as well as Germans there were also large numbers of Italian and Japanese internees. Internees also included nationals of over 30 other countries, including Finland, Hungary, Portugal and Russia.

Not all internees were foreign nationals. Naturalised British subjects and those born in Australia were among those of German, Italian and Japanese origin who were interned. British-born subjects who were members of the radical nationalist organisation, the Australia First Movement, were also interned.

Men made up the majority of those interned, but some women and children also spent time in the camps.

Overseas internees

Included in the numbers of internees accommodated in Australia were enemy aliens, mostly Germans and Japanese, from Britain, Palestine, Iran, the Straits Settlements (now Singapore and Malaysia), the Netherlands East Indies (now Indonesia), New Zealand and New Caledonia. Most famous among these groups were the Germans and Italians who arrived on the Dunera from England in 1940. The overseas internees included many women and children.

Prisoners of war

During World War I and World War II, Australia held both internees and prisoners of war. Prisoners of war were members of enemy military forces who were captured or had surrendered, whereas internees were civilians. Most prisoners of war in Australia were sent from overseas, very few were captured in Australia.

Many records do not make a clear distinction between civilian internees and military prisoners of war. The terms ‘prisoner' and ‘internee' were often used for both groups. In many cases internees and prisoners of war were accommodated in the same camps.

There were differences, however, in the rights of these two groups and the way they could be treated by Australian authorities. For example, prisoners of war could be made to work while internees could not. Internees also had to be paid for any work they undertook.

Camp life

Internment camps were administered by the army and run along military lines. During World War I they were often referred to as concentration camps. Camps were established in repurposed institutions such as the old gaols at Berrima and Trial Bay in New South Wales. The largest camp during World War l was at Holsworthy (Liverpool), west of Sydney.

During World War II, internees were first housed in prisons, such as at Long Bay gaol in New South Wales, or impromptu accommodation such as the Northam race course in Western Australia.
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Reply #29 - Dec 17th, 2016 at 2:21pm
 
Mothballs is wrong again!!!! Roll Eyes

British-born subjects who were members of the radical nationalist organisation, the Australia First Movement, were also interned.
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