Quote:Whats notable about this case is how little impact it has had on the free speech debate. Who here even heard of Toben before reading this discussion? Not exactly martyrdom material is he?
Martyrdom usually implies death Gandalf. He was jailed for three weeks. He is not well known because his cause is unpopular with both sides, so tends to get ignored. No-one wants a Nazi as their champion. Yet that probably makes him the best demonstration of the core principles of freedom of speech, far better than Bolt.
You appear to be implying that his lack of popularity justifies his treatment. Is that the case?
Quote:Can you show us the legislation than outlines the penalties, FD?
Read the other half of the sentence you quoted Karnal.
Quote:You've asked that many times, and each time, I have told you I stand by my every word.
No you haven't. You have tried to weasel your way out of them by insisting they were:
Quote:an accurate description at the time I used them in the context I used them
If that's not backpedaling and weasel words, I don't know what is. Can you tell us what has changed with time and context? Do you think perhaps that in a few weeks time it will no longer be a "blatant lie of the most scurrilous kind to say that Toben was jailed for denying the holocaust"?
Why are you afraid to offer your own opinion on the cause of the court order?
Quote:Did Aussie say that? I haven't seen that quote.
Check the first page of the 18c thread Gandalf. He was demanding to know how 18c limits what people can say. If that doesn;t convince you, let's ask him and see what sort of tapdancing we get. Aussie, does 18c infringe on freedom of speech?
Quote:I've already said Aussie's argument doesn't pass the common sense test and that he is playing silly semantic games, like you always do.
What you said was that I was also making a purely semantic argument in this thread. That is not true. You also claimed that Aussie's argument was a purely semantic one. Although he is now loathe to say it (or anything of substance), there is a meaningful argument behind the idiocy, just as with the moronic comments we have seen here from Raven, John Smith, Barnacle, Brian Ross, Karnal etc. They are all something along the lines of "18c does not limit freedom of speech because it was not the cause of Toben's jailing and you cannot quote the specific legislation that lays out the link between what 18c bans and the punishment for ignoring it". His "silly semantic games" have the express purpose of undermining freedom of speech.