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Gerald Fredrick Töben - jailed for his opinion (Read 88846 times)
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Reply #195 - Dec 20th, 2016 at 7:41pm
 
Do you think FD will tell us his definition of freedom of speech any time soon?  I've asked three times now.  Maybe a dedicated Thread....just so he sees it.
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Reply #196 - Dec 20th, 2016 at 7:43pm
 
Aussie wrote on Dec 20th, 2016 at 7:41pm:
Do you think FD will tell us his definition of freedom of speech any time soon?  I've asked three times now.  Maybe a dedicated Thread....just so he sees it.



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Re: Gerald Fredrick Töben - jailed for his opinion
Reply #197 - Dec 20th, 2016 at 8:00pm
 
Aussie wrote on Dec 20th, 2016 at 7:41pm:
Do you think FD will tell us his definition of freedom of speech any time soon?  I've asked three times now.  Maybe a dedicated Thread....reasoo he sees it.


Not at all, Aussie. FD said that freedom of speech is the right to be a bigot. This is his actual definition.

You won't hear a squeak from FD on this. He clearly values bigotry above truth, knowledge and reason, and he freely admits this. Ask him.

Oh, you have.
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Reply #198 - Dec 20th, 2016 at 8:04pm
 
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He was also Jailed in Germany and the UK. His opinion must stink.

I suggest that he does not go to the USA.
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Reply #199 - Dec 22nd, 2016 at 1:29pm
 
John Smith wrote on Dec 20th, 2016 at 8:59am:
freediver wrote on Dec 17th, 2016 at 11:42am:
Are you suggesting that free speech implies a right to get your idiotic views published on whatever website you want?


Not on any website, but a public website that is open to anyone who wishes to join.well, that is free speech isn't it?


This is a privately owned website John. However, you are even less likely to get your idiocy published on a pbulicly owned one.

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Why? Are you impling that free speech is a myth? that speech comes with restriction, rules and regulations that must be upheld?


I am telling you, as clearly and simply as I can, that freedom of speech does not imply any compulsion on others to publish your idiocy.

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freediver wrote on Dec 17th, 2016 at 1:06pm:
Oh good. Maybe you can explain it to John Smith. He already realises that you are not free to do something if you are jailed for it, but is having trouble joining the dots.


That's your argument? cheap petty shots?  Grin Grin way to go FD!


What you are posing here is incredibly stupid John. You are typical of 18c's supporters. You acknowledge that people are not free to do something if they get jailed for it, yet still insist Toben was free to ignore the court order, despite getting jailed for it. This is not cheap and petty, it is a measure of how stupid your argument is, and the lack of legitimacy behind 18c.

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This is not really a public website John. Its owned by Freediver (to a degree - technically you could say his webhost "owns" it)


They provide a hosting service. The content and the URL belongs to me and I can move it to whatever host I want.

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semantics ... he has no restrictions on who joins. Joining is open to everyone and its free.


You started the discussion on what freedom of speech means John. Now instead of admitting you are wrong, you are trying to dismiss it as semantics. Your ability to post here is a measure of my generosity alone, not a result of any right you have.

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Toben is still free to espouse his views, his free speech hasn't been impinged.


Raven, do you think jailing him if he expresses those view 'impinges' his freedom of speech?

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And would it be hypocritical to accuse others of being pedantic while you sift through their words with a fine tooth comb for 20-odd pages?


You don't need a fine tooth comb here Karnal. The stupid is coming thick and fast. For example, Raven just claimed that Toben's freedom has not been impinged. How stupid would you rate that? Even you will struggle to rescue that one.

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He was also Jailed in Germany and the UK. His opinion must stink.


DNA, do you think his unpopularity or his jailing overseas is a good excuse for denying him freedom of speech or putting him in jail?
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Reply #200 - Dec 22nd, 2016 at 2:46pm
 
freediver wrote on Dec 22nd, 2016 at 1:29pm:
yet still insist Toben was free to ignore the court order,


I'm curious, how exactly was he forced to ignore the court order?
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Reply #201 - Dec 22nd, 2016 at 4:20pm
 
Freediver he is still free to hold and express those views. All the court did was order a specific part of his website be removed. It happens everyday, especially in cases of libel. He can still get online or hold public appearances.

The so called defenders of free speech, journalists are some of the worst. They heavily monitor what goes up and remove things they don't like.

If Toben was jailed for his opinion it's because his opinion was he could ignore the court
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Quoth the Raven "Nevermore"

Raven would rather ask questions that may never be answered, then accept answers which must never be questioned.
 
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Reply #202 - Dec 22nd, 2016 at 4:27pm
 
Raven wrote on Dec 22nd, 2016 at 4:20pm:
Freediver he is still free to hold and express those views. All the court did was order a specific part of his website be removed. It happens everyday, especially in cases of libel. He can still get online or hold public appearances.

The so called defenders of free speech, journalists are some of the worst. They heavily monitor what goes up and remove things they don't like.

If Toben was jailed for his opinion it's because his opinion was he could ignore the court
TAKE IT DOWN OR WE WILL ARREST YOU!!!! There's something wrong with that when  Muslim children were allowed to walk around  Sydney's CBD with be-heading signs and nobody  was arrested. If they were allowed to do that then what's the problem.
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Reply #203 - Dec 23rd, 2016 at 9:20am
 
John Smith wrote on Dec 22nd, 2016 at 2:46pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 22nd, 2016 at 1:29pm:
yet still insist Toben was free to ignore the court order,


I'm curious, how exactly was he forced to ignore the court order?



FD ...  care to explain your stupidity here or are you going to run away again?
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Reply #204 - Dec 23rd, 2016 at 10:34am
 
Raven wrote on Dec 22nd, 2016 at 4:20pm:
Freediver he is still free to hold and express those views. All the court did was order a specific part of his website be removed. It happens everyday, especially in cases of libel. He can still get online or hold public appearances.


So you don't think ordering part of his website removed infringes on his freedom of speech?

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The so called defenders of free speech, journalists are some of the worst. They heavily monitor what goes up and remove things they don't like.


So what?
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Re: Gerald Fredrick Töben - jailed for his opinion
Reply #205 - Dec 23rd, 2016 at 10:38am
 
John Smith wrote on Dec 23rd, 2016 at 9:20am:
John Smith wrote on Dec 22nd, 2016 at 2:46pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 22nd, 2016 at 1:29pm:
yet still insist Toben was free to ignore the court order,


I'm curious, how exactly was he forced to ignore the court order?



FD ...  care to explain your stupidity here or are you going to run away again?



FD?
FD?
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Reply #206 - Dec 23rd, 2016 at 10:38am
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 20th, 2016 at 8:51am:
freediver wrote on Dec 18th, 2016 at 7:22pm:
did you make a submission on 18c Gandalf?


No. Sorry, I know you asked a few times.


Is that because you feel conflicted on the issue?
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Re: Gerald Fredrick Töben - jailed for his opinion
Reply #207 - Dec 23rd, 2016 at 10:47am
 
freediver wrote on Dec 23rd, 2016 at 10:38am:
polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 20th, 2016 at 8:51am:
freediver wrote on Dec 18th, 2016 at 7:22pm:
did you make a submission on 18c Gandalf?


No. Sorry, I know you asked a few times.


Is that because you feel conflicted on the issue?


More to do with the fact that I couldn't be arsed.
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Reply #208 - Dec 23rd, 2016 at 10:51am
 
So your conflicted feelings on 18c were only a minor part of it?
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Reply #209 - Dec 23rd, 2016 at 11:04am
 
freediver wrote on Dec 23rd, 2016 at 10:51am:
So your conflicted feelings on 18c were only a minor part of it?


No. But it doesn't even make sense. Why would "conflicted feelings" about 18c stop someone from making a submission about it? Sounds like a good opportunity to make a submission about your "conflcited feelings" about it, if you really cared - no?
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