John Smith wrote on Dec 20
th, 2016 at 8:59am:
freediver wrote on Dec 17
th, 2016 at 11:42am:
Are you suggesting that free speech implies a right to get your idiotic views published on whatever website you want?
Not on any website, but a public website that is open to anyone who wishes to join.well, that is free speech isn't it?
This is a privately owned website John. However, you are even less likely to get your idiocy published on a pbulicly owned one.
Quote:Why? Are you impling that free speech is a myth? that speech comes with restriction, rules and regulations that must be upheld?
I am telling you, as clearly and simply as I can, that freedom of speech does not imply any compulsion on others to publish your idiocy.
Quote:freediver wrote on Dec 17
th, 2016 at 1:06pm:
Oh good. Maybe you can explain it to John Smith. He already realises that you are not free to do something if you are jailed for it, but is having trouble joining the dots.
That's your argument? cheap petty shots?
way to go FD!
What you are posing here is incredibly stupid John. You are typical of 18c's supporters. You acknowledge that people are not free to do something if they get jailed for it, yet still insist Toben was free to ignore the court order, despite getting jailed for it. This is not cheap and petty, it is a measure of how stupid your argument is, and the lack of legitimacy behind 18c.
Quote:This is not really a public website John. Its owned by Freediver (to a degree - technically you could say his webhost "owns" it)
They provide a hosting service. The content and the URL belongs to me and I can move it to whatever host I want.
Quote:semantics ... he has no restrictions on who joins. Joining is open to everyone and its free.
You started the discussion on what freedom of speech means John. Now instead of admitting you are wrong, you are trying to dismiss it as semantics. Your ability to post here is a measure of my generosity alone, not a result of any right you have.
Quote:Toben is still free to espouse his views, his free speech hasn't been impinged.
Raven, do you think jailing him if he expresses those view 'impinges' his freedom of speech?
Quote:And would it be hypocritical to accuse others of being pedantic while you sift through their words with a fine tooth comb for 20-odd pages?
You don't need a fine tooth comb here Karnal. The stupid is coming thick and fast. For example, Raven just claimed that Toben's freedom has not been impinged. How stupid would you rate that? Even you will struggle to rescue that one.
Quote:He was also Jailed in Germany and the UK. His opinion must stink.
DNA, do you think his unpopularity or his jailing overseas is a good excuse for denying him freedom of speech or putting him in jail?