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Gerald Fredrick Töben - jailed for his opinion (Read 9509 times)
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Reply #165 - Dec 16th, 2016 at 6:16pm
 
freediver wrote on Dec 16th, 2016 at 6:10pm:
b) If you get jailed for something, then you are not actually free to do it



sure he is ... but there will be consequences.

Is life always a struggle for you?

freediver wrote on Dec 16th, 2016 at 6:10pm:
I disagree with Toben, but unlike you I don't see that as a justification for putting him in jail.


i wasn't asking about tobin .... for such a proponent of free speech, why is it then that half your forum members are banned from feedback? Or is free speech only something you cheer for when it suits you?
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Reply #166 - Dec 16th, 2016 at 7:16pm
 
freediver wrote on Dec 16th, 2016 at 12:47pm:
John Smith wrote on Dec 15th, 2016 at 11:11pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 15th, 2016 at 10:34pm:
So when you say he is free to ignore the court orders, you lie about him being free, because freedom is an old ideology?


no, i mean there are consequences to his actions. I'm not sure why you struggle with this so much. He can say what he likes, he just has to be willing to suffer the consequences for what he says.



freediver wrote on Dec 15th, 2016 at 10:34pm:
Sure. I support freedom of speech, and I am not confused by what that means either.


you mean you support it right up until that free speech is about something you disagree with, don't you?


You are the one who is struggling. Which of the following is correct:

a) Toben was free to ignore the court orders
b) If you get jailed for something, then you are not actually free to do it


If you get jailed for something, then you are not actually free to do it


Yes you are not entitled to treat the court with contempt, they lock you up for that.
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Re: Gerald Fredrick Töben - jailed for his opinion
Reply #167 - Dec 16th, 2016 at 10:03pm
 
Let's try this again John.

Which of the following is correct?

a) Toben was free to ignore the court orders
b) If you get jailed for something, then you are not actually free to do it

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i wasn't asking about tobin .... for such a proponent of free speech, why is it then that half your forum members are banned from feedback? Or is free speech only something you cheer for when it suits you?


I could ban every single one of you from this entire website, and it would not infringe on your rights or freedoms in any way. Do you think I let you leave your trail of stupid all over this forum because I think you have a right to do so? I am being generous, that is all.

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If you get jailed for something, then you are not actually free to do it
Yes you are not entitled to treat the court with contempt, they lock you up for that.


Is that your answer to the question DNA? Are you saying a) is not correct?

You never did say whether you think it is right to deny unpopular people their freedom. Would you like to have another go?
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Re: Gerald Fredrick Töben - jailed for his opinion
Reply #168 - Dec 16th, 2016 at 10:27pm
 
freediver wrote on Dec 16th, 2016 at 10:03pm:
Let's try this again John.

Which of the following is correct?

a) Toben was free to ignore the court orders
b) If you get jailed for something, then you are not actually free to do it

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i wasn't asking about tobin .... for such a proponent of free speech, why is it then that half your forum members are banned from feedback? Or is free speech only something you cheer for when it suits you?


I could ban every single one of you from this entire website, and it would not infringe on your rights or freedoms in any way. Do you think I let you leave your trail of stupid all over this forum because I think you have a right to do so? I am being generous, that is all.

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If you get jailed for something, then you are not actually free to do it
Yes you are not entitled to treat the court with contempt, they lock you up for that.


Is that your answer to the question DNA? Are you saying a) is not correct?

You never did say whether you think it is right to deny unpopular people their freedom. Would you like to have another go?


FD, you never did say whether you agree with Moses. Would you like to have another go?

Let's clear this up once and for all. You're online now. All you have to do is say whether you agree that Muslims are inbred, sub-human untermenschen who are genetically predisposed to squat to piss (the inferior male species, of course).

If you say nothing, we'll take that as a yes, okay?
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Re: Gerald Fredrick Töben - jailed for his opinion
Reply #169 - Dec 16th, 2016 at 11:14pm
 
You're still here, FD. Don't want to say?
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Reply #170 - Dec 16th, 2016 at 11:17pm
 
I am certain that Moses is wrong. Muslims are not a species.
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Re: Gerald Fredrick Töben - jailed for his opinion
Reply #171 - Dec 16th, 2016 at 11:31pm
 
freediver wrote on Dec 16th, 2016 at 11:17pm:
I am certain that Moses is wrong. Muslims are not a species.


Thanks, FD. No more questions at this time, effendes.

FD is taking rest.
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Reply #172 - Dec 16th, 2016 at 11:38pm
 
Karnal wrote on Dec 16th, 2016 at 11:31pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 16th, 2016 at 11:17pm:
I am certain that Moses is wrong. Muslims are not a species.


Thanks, FD. No more questions at this time, effendes.

FD is taking rest.


I take it he's not rust.
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Re: Gerald Fredrick Töben - jailed for his opinion
Reply #173 - Dec 16th, 2016 at 11:53pm
 
Setanta wrote on Dec 16th, 2016 at 11:38pm:
Karnal wrote on Dec 16th, 2016 at 11:31pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 16th, 2016 at 11:17pm:
I am certain that Moses is wrong. Muslims are not a species.


Thanks, FD. No more questions at this time, effendes.

FD is taking rest.


I take it he's not rust.


Oh no. FD will be back for more evasion in the morning.
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Re: Gerald Fredrick Töben - jailed for his opinion
Reply #174 - Dec 17th, 2016 at 11:03am
 
freediver wrote on Dec 16th, 2016 at 10:03pm:
et's try this again John.

Which of the following is correct?

a) Toben was free to ignore the court orders
b) If you get jailed for something, then you are not actually free to do it


both

freediver wrote on Dec 16th, 2016 at 10:03pm:
I could ban every single one of you from this entire website, and it would not infringe on your rights or freedoms in any way.



sure it does. You want to control what we do and do not say . That's an infringement on our 'free speech' (not that I am disagreeing with your right to do so). Of course, you can justify it to yourself that it's different all you want, hypocrites always do. Just don't expect anyone to believe it when you do.
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Re: Gerald Fredrick Töben - jailed for his opinion
Reply #175 - Dec 17th, 2016 at 11:42am
 
Are you suggesting that free speech implies a right to get your idiotic views published on whatever website you want?

John Smith wrote on Dec 17th, 2016 at 11:03am:
freediver wrote on Dec 16th, 2016 at 10:03pm:
Let's try this again John.

Which of the following is correct?

a) Toben was free to ignore the court orders
b) If you get jailed for something, then you are not actually free to do it


both


Can you explain, for the benefit of any of your fellow apologists who somehow think you are not saying something incredibly stupid?
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Reply #176 - Dec 17th, 2016 at 12:04pm
 
freediver wrote on Dec 16th, 2016 at 11:17pm:
I am certain that Moses is wrong. Muslims are not a species.


The Muslim cat  muezza  could be considered a species ?
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Reply #177 - Dec 17th, 2016 at 12:14pm
 
freediver wrote on Dec 16th, 2016 at 10:03pm:
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If you get jailed for something, then you are not actually free to do it
Yes you are not entitled to treat the court with contempt, they lock you up for that.


Is that your answer to the question DNA? Are you saying a) is not correct?

You never did say whether you think it is right to deny unpopular people their freedom. Would you like to have another go?


a) is not correct?   Yes a) is not correct.

You never did say whether you think it is right to deny unpopular people their freedom.


Being locked up for contempt of court should not have a relationship to popularity though as with most things being popular does seem to allow people to get away with more.


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Reply #178 - Dec 17th, 2016 at 1:06pm
 
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a) is not correct?   Yes a) is not correct.


Oh good. Maybe you can explain it to John Smith. He already realises that you are not free to do something if you are jailed for it, but is having trouble joining the dots.

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Being locked up for contempt of court should not have a relationship to popularity though as with most things being popular does seem to allow people to get away with more.


What about one step back in the process, in the establishment of the court order. Should your popularity dictate whether you get a court order that criminalises your opinion?
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Re: Gerald Fredrick Töben - jailed for his opinion
Reply #179 - Dec 17th, 2016 at 4:21pm
 
freediver wrote on Dec 15th, 2016 at 9:23pm:
Raven wrote on Dec 15th, 2016 at 8:26pm:
He wasn't jailed for his opinion.



I did not say he was. This is what I said. Read it carefully now: Do you support freedom of speech, as well as jailing people for their opinion?



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muslims have inbred themselves into a subgroup of low intelligence beings
 
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