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Re: Gerald Fredrick Töben - jailed for his opinion
Reply #135 - Dec 15th, 2016 at 8:26pm
 
freediver wrote on Dec 15th, 2016 at 8:09pm:
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Yes. You can say what you like but be prepared to be held accountable for what you say

Do you think you should be able to say or do what you want without consequence?


So you support freedom of speech, as well as jailing people for their opinion?


He wasn't jailed for his opinion.

Do you believe that you should be able to say anything you want without consequence?

PS nice job dodging the rest of the argument. You should be a stuntman.
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Re: Gerald Fredrick Töben - jailed for his opinion
Reply #136 - Dec 15th, 2016 at 8:27pm
 
Raven wrote on Dec 14th, 2016 at 12:56pm:
John Smith wrote on Dec 14th, 2016 at 12:49pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 14th, 2016 at 12:48pm:
Aussie, Raven, John Smith, Barnacle, Brian Ross and Karnal: would it be fair to say that you want Toben and his ilk to be silenced, and are willing to see them imprisoned to achieve this, but you realise on some level that it is wrong to imprison a person for their opinion, so you settle for the 'happy coincidence' that Toben was jailed for an unrelated contempt of court, creating a vacuum of causation around his imprisonment in order to allow you to ignore your own views on human rights



no.


Seconded.

Freediver what you seem to fail to grasp is that freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequence.

Do you believe that you should be able to say whatever you want with absolutely zero consequence?


It depends what you mean by consequence. What you are saying is that there was free speech in Argentina when the consequence was being taped up and dropped from a helicopter into the ocean.

The consequence in Toben's case should be that everyone thinks he's a dickhead.

Free speech means to me means there should be no govt sanction against what you say politically and although we have no bill of rights unfortunately, the high court has found we have a right to free political speech. If what happened in Europe during WWII was not political, I don't know what is.
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Re: Gerald Fredrick Töben - jailed for his opinion
Reply #137 - Dec 15th, 2016 at 8:29pm
 
freediver wrote on Dec 15th, 2016 at 8:19pm:
No poo indeed. You would have to be pretty stupid to get that one wrong wouldn't you John? On an unrelated matter, can you explain the meaning of this?

John Smith wrote on Dec 14th, 2016 at 11:03pm:
He's also free to follow court orders, or not.



freedom is a ideology that has nothing to do with the modern world we live in. We live in a society bound by rules and regulations. Without it society cannot function. Sure, he can ignore the court order, but there will be consequences to his actions. 

Now, my turn ...... Do you believe in freedom of speech, and should people be free to say what they like?
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Re: Gerald Fredrick Töben - jailed for his opinion
Reply #138 - Dec 15th, 2016 at 8:35pm
 
John Smith wrote on Dec 15th, 2016 at 8:29pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 15th, 2016 at 8:19pm:
No poo indeed. You would have to be pretty stupid to get that one wrong wouldn't you John? On an unrelated matter, can you explain the meaning of this?

John Smith wrote on Dec 14th, 2016 at 11:03pm:
He's also free to follow court orders, or not.



freedom is a ideology that has nothing to do with the modern world we live in. We live in a society bound by rules and regulations. Without it society cannot function. Sure, he can ignore the court order, but there will be consequences to his actions. 

Now, my turn ...... Do you believe in freedom of speech, and should people be free to say what they like?


You don't understand Mr Smith.  FD asks all the questions here.  You can ask him about that as well, but he won't answer, you know.  It's not his thing.
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Re: Gerald Fredrick Töben - jailed for his opinion
Reply #139 - Dec 15th, 2016 at 8:36pm
 
Aussie wrote on Dec 15th, 2016 at 8:35pm:
You don't understand Mr Smith.  FD asks all the questions here.


i knew that before I asked ... he's to gutless to provide a straight answer.
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Reply #140 - Dec 15th, 2016 at 8:40pm
 
Wanker got what he deserved.

I doubt anyone cares.
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Re: Gerald Fredrick Töben - jailed for his opinion
Reply #141 - Dec 15th, 2016 at 9:23pm
 
Raven wrote on Dec 15th, 2016 at 8:26pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 15th, 2016 at 8:09pm:
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Yes. You can say what you like but be prepared to be held accountable for what you say

Do you think you should be able to say or do what you want without consequence?


So you support freedom of speech, as well as jailing people for their opinion?


He wasn't jailed for his opinion.



I did not say he was. This is what I said. Read it carefully now: Do you support freedom of speech, as well as jailing people for their opinion?

John Smith wrote on Dec 15th, 2016 at 8:29pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 15th, 2016 at 8:19pm:
John Smith wrote on Dec 15th, 2016 at 8:13pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 15th, 2016 at 8:09pm:
If you get imprisoned for doing something, that means you are not free to do it


No poo Sherlock.


No poo indeed. You would have to be pretty stupid to get that one wrong wouldn't you John? On an unrelated matter, can you explain the meaning of this?

John Smith wrote on Dec 14th, 2016 at 11:03pm:
He's also free to follow court orders, or not.




freedom is a ideology that has nothing to do with the modern world we live in. We live in a society bound by rules and regulations. Without it society cannot function. Sure, he can ignore the court order, but there will be consequences to his actions. 

Now, my turn ...... Do you believe in freedom of speech, and should people be free to say what they like?


So is he or is he not free to ignore the court orders?

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Wanker got what he deserved.
I doubt anyone cares.


You can tell that by the many threads about it eh? People who care about human rights do. Should people be denied basic freedoms because they are unpopular?
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Re: Gerald Fredrick Töben - jailed for his opinion
Reply #142 - Dec 15th, 2016 at 9:24pm
 
freediver wrote on Dec 15th, 2016 at 9:23pm:
So is he or is he not free to ignore the court orders?


of course he is. And he did.

freediver wrote on Dec 15th, 2016 at 9:23pm:
You can tell that by the many threads about it eh?


didn't you start them all? Cheesy Cheesy
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Re: Gerald Fredrick Töben - jailed for his opinion
Reply #143 - Dec 15th, 2016 at 9:25pm
 
John Smith wrote on Dec 15th, 2016 at 8:29pm:
Now, my turn ...... Do you believe in freedom of speech, and should people be free to say what they like?



don't run away FD.
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Re: Gerald Fredrick Töben - jailed for his opinion
Reply #144 - Dec 15th, 2016 at 9:31pm
 
John Smith wrote on Dec 15th, 2016 at 9:24pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 15th, 2016 at 9:23pm:
So is he or is he not free to ignore the court orders?


of course he is. And he did.


You'll figure it out one day John. When you do, it will seem like you always knew.

John Smith wrote on Dec 15th, 2016 at 8:13pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 15th, 2016 at 8:09pm:
If you get imprisoned for doing something, that means you are not free to do it


No poo Sherlock.
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Reply #145 - Dec 15th, 2016 at 9:41pm
 
freediver wrote on Dec 15th, 2016 at 9:23pm:
Raven wrote on Dec 15th, 2016 at 8:26pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 15th, 2016 at 8:09pm:
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Yes. You can say what you like but be prepared to be held accountable for what you say

Do you think you should be able to say or do what you want without consequence?


So you support freedom of speech, as well as jailing people for their opinion?


He wasn't jailed for his opinion.



I did not say he was. This is what I said. Read it carefully now: Do you support freedom of speech, as well as jailing people for their opinion?


Raven will answer yours when you answer his (guess Raven will never answer it then)
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Re: Gerald Fredrick Töben - jailed for his opinion
Reply #146 - Dec 15th, 2016 at 9:42pm
 
freediver wrote on Dec 15th, 2016 at 9:31pm:
John Smith wrote on Dec 15th, 2016 at 9:24pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 15th, 2016 at 9:23pm:
So is he or is he not free to ignore the court orders?


of course he is. And he did.


You'll figure it out one day John. When you do, it will seem like you always knew.

John Smith wrote on Dec 15th, 2016 at 8:13pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 15th, 2016 at 8:09pm:
If you get imprisoned for doing something, that means you are not free to do it


No poo Sherlock.


I'm beginning to think you won't figure it out FD.

John Smith wrote on Dec 15th, 2016 at 8:29pm:
freedom is a ideology that has nothing to do with the modern world we live in



now, why don't you answer my question? Are you afraid?
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Re: Gerald Fredrick Töben - jailed for his opinion
Reply #147 - Dec 15th, 2016 at 9:42pm
 
Do you think the 2007 FD always knew, FD?

FD?
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Reply #148 - Dec 15th, 2016 at 9:46pm
 
No more questions at this time, effendes. FD's onto it.
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Re: Gerald Fredrick Töben - jailed for his opinion
Reply #149 - Dec 15th, 2016 at 10:25pm
 
John Smith wrote on Dec 15th, 2016 at 9:24pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 15th, 2016 at 9:23pm:
So is he or is he not free to ignore the court orders?


of course he is. And he did.

freediver wrote on Dec 15th, 2016 at 9:23pm:
You can tell that by the many threads about it eh?


didn't you start them all? Cheesy Cheesy


....and stickied one all over the Forum.  He did not start one of the three.  He started two of the three, this being the latest.
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