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Dec 6th, 2016 at 9:56am
 
Australia's top 50 highest paying jobs

Dec 5 2016 at 8:22 AM

by Sarah Kimmorley
The Australian Taxation Office has released new data providing an overview of the income and tax status of Australian individuals, companies, partnerships, trusts and funds.

From those latest released figures, which are for 2013-14, we have found the 50 highest paying jobs for men and women in the country.

Among the number of professions listed, medical specialists dominate the higher ranking for both sexes.

For men, the highest paid job is a neurosurgeon on $577,674, but for women it's a judge on $355,844.

This top earning job, and direct comparisons, show the gender pay gap is a huge problem in Australian business.

Female neurosurgeons take home just 56 per cent of their male counterparts' salary, despite being the second-highest-paid professional women.

Here are the top 50 highest paying jobs for men and women in Australia.

Men

1. Neurosurgeon $577,674
2. Ophthalmologist $552,947
3. Cardiologist $453,253
4. Plastic and reconstructive surgeon $448,530
5. Gynaecologist; obstetrician $446,507
6. Otorhinolaryngologist $445,939
7. Orthopedic surgeon $439,629
8. Urologist $433,792
9. Vascular surgeon $417,524
10. Gastroenterologist $415,192
11. Diagnostic and interventional radiologist $386,003
12. Dermatologist $383,880
13. Judge — law $381,323
14. Anaesthetist $370,492
15. Cardiothoracic surgeon $358,043
16. Surgeon — general $357,996
17. Specialist physicians — other $344,860
18. Radiation oncologist $336,994
19. Medical oncologist $322,178
20. Securities and finance dealer $320,452
21. Thoracic medicine specialist $315,444
22. Specialist physician — general medicine $315,114
23. Intensive care specialist $308,033
24. Renal medicine specialist $298,681
25. Neurologist $298,543
26. Financial investment manager $288,790
27. Investment broker $286,530
28. Paediatric surgeon $282,508
29. Clinical haematologist $271,738
30. Futures trader $264,830
31. Endocrinologist $258,972
32. Australian cricketer $257,527
33. Rheumatologist $256,933
34. Dental specialist $253,442
35. Magistrate $246,737
36. Equities analyst; investment dealer $245,826
37. Paediatrician $239,405
38. Stock exchange dealer; stockbroker $238,192
39. Psychiatrist $234,557
40. Emergency medicine specialist $232,595
41. Member of Parliament $232,093
42. Pathologist $224,378
43. Company secretary — corporate governance $218,432
44. State governor $212,652
45. Actuary $196,144
46. Sports physician $187,468
47. Petroleum engineer $185,808
48. (joint with 49) Chief executive officer $181,849
49. Executive director; managing director; public servant — secretary or deputy secretary $181,849
50. Mining production manager $179,439

Women

1. Judge — law $355,844
2. Neurosurgeon $323,682
3. Plastic and reconstructive surgeon $281,608
4. Futures trader $281,600
5. Vascular surgeon $271,529
6. Gynaecologist; obstetrician $264,628
7. Gastroenterologist $260,925
8. Magistrate $260,161
9. Anaesthetist $243,582
10. Ophthalmologist $217,242
11. Cardiologist $215,920
12. Urologist $213,094
13. Surgeon — general $210,796
14. Medical oncologist $208,612
15. Specialist physicians — other $207,599
16. Specialist physician — general medicine $207,225
17. Otorhinolaryngologist $200,136
18. Dermatologist $195,030
19. Diagnostic and interventional radiologist $180,695
20. Cardiothoracic surgeon $175,500
21. Paediatric surgeon $175,314
22. Endocrinologist $174,542
23. Member of Parliament $173,331
24. Rheumatologist $169,409
25. Intensive care specialist $169,369
26. Emergency medicine specialist $165,786
27. Orthopedic surgeon $159,479
28. Neurologist $155,217
29. Renal medicine specialist $155,133
30. Psychiatrist $152,437
31. Clinical haematologist $147,970
32. Paediatrician $147,347
33. Securities and finance dealer $145,208
34. Dental specialist $140,505
35. Actuary $136,819
36. Radiation oncologist $135,678
37. Financial investment manager $134,481
38. Petroleum engineer $133,315
39. Mining production manager $133,061
40. General medical practitioner $129,834
41. Thoracic medicine specialist $127,645
42. Stockbroker $124,433
43. Paving plant operator $123,281
44. Mining engineer $119,564
45. Tribunal member $119,219
46. Occupational medicine specialist; public health physician; sports physician $118,310
47. Geophysicist $117,575
48. Chief executive officer; executive director; managing director; public servant — secretary or deputy secretary $116,855
49. Engineering manager $116,732
50. Metallurgist $110,359




http://www.afr.com/leadership/careers/australias-top-50-highest-paying-jobs-2016...
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This lines up with aquas crap in the uni thread. Look at how many of these require uni degrees.
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Reply #2 - Dec 6th, 2016 at 11:35am
 
Like always, these figures do not prove a genuine gender gap at all. All neurosurgeons are paid the same rate as are judges. But that rate is dependant on years of experience and women tend to have less of that. You can argue why, but it remains true.  And all the other jobs are the same. You dont just rock up at an interview with your degree and expect to get the pay scales mentioned here. ALl of these are based on experience and women tend to have less.
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Reply #3 - Dec 6th, 2016 at 11:46am
 
longweekend58 wrote on Dec 6th, 2016 at 11:35am:
Like always, these figures do not prove a genuine gender gap at all. All neurosurgeons are paid the same rate as are judges. But that rate is dependant on years of experience and women tend to have less of that. You can argue why, but it remains true.  And all the other jobs are the same. You dont just rock up at an interview with your degree and expect to get the pay scales mentioned here. ALl of these are based on experience and women tend to have less.





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If you are denying bias, whether conscious or not, you are a fool.
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Reply #4 - Dec 6th, 2016 at 11:48am
 
mothra wrote on Dec 6th, 2016 at 11:46am:
longweekend58 wrote on Dec 6th, 2016 at 11:35am:
Like always, these figures do not prove a genuine gender gap at all. All neurosurgeons are paid the same rate as are judges. But that rate is dependant on years of experience and women tend to have less of that. You can argue why, but it remains true.  And all the other jobs are the same. You dont just rock up at an interview with your degree and expect to get the pay scales mentioned here. ALl of these are based on experience and women tend to have less.





Time out of the workforce for child rearing is only one factor.

If you are denying bias, whether conscious or not, you are a fool.


Is gender attraction to certain professions taken into account?
Is job satisfaction taken into account?
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Reply #5 - Dec 6th, 2016 at 11:48am
 
Gender pay gap narrows but men earning 23% more than women, agency finds
Workplace Gender Equality Agency says finance, insurance, real estate and construction industries have largest gap


The gender pay gap and the gap in the proportion of senior managers who are women have both narrowed but men continue to earn 23% more than women on average, the Workplace Gender Equality Agency has found.

The agency’s latest annual figures, released on Wednesday, found that women earn 77% of men’s average full-time income.

Although the gap has narrowed by 1.6 percentage points, women in full-time work still earn on average $27,000 a year less than men. The figure rises to $93,884 at the top level of management.

The data covers more than 12,000 employers and four million employees, representing about 40% of employees in Australia. It covers the period from 1 April 2015 to 31 March 2016.

Industries with the largest gender pay gap were financial and insurance services (33.5%), real estate (29.3%) and construction (28%).

Industries with the smallest gap were education (9.4%), wholesale trade (10%), public administration and safety (10.4%).

The WGEA director, Libby Lyons, said the data showed women were still under-represented in management and leadership roles.

“There’s no question we are seeing movement in the right direction but it’s still too slow,” she said.

Lyons told Guardian Australia a recent report by WGEA, the Diversity Council and KPMG found the three causes of the pay gap were: bias and discrimination, including unconscious bias; industry and occupational segregation, with women predominating in lower-paid sectors such as healthcare; and time spent out of the workforce, such as to care for children.

The WGEA figures show 70.7% of employers have policies to support gender equality, up 4.5 percentage points this year. But only 27% conduct a gender pay gap analysis (up 3 points).

Lyons said companies conducting pay analyses had a major impetus to close the gap between men and women, citing the example of the infrastructure company Asciano closing the gap with its competitors on gendered pay within three years.

The report found women were under-represented in leadership roles, holding just 16.3% of chief executive and 37.4% of all management roles. The percentage in senior management has risen by 2.4 points to 28.5%.

On boards, 24.6% of directors were women. Just 12.7% of boards had gender targets.

“The reason we don’t see more women in management is because three-quarters of all part-time workers are women,” Lyons said. “And the data says if you want to be manager, you’ve got to be full-time. Only 6% of managers work part-time.

“There’s a cultural norm, an acceptance that you’ve got to be present five days a week to be a manager.”

Lyons said the better approach was “outcomes based” – if managers could achieve their set outcomes working three or four days a week, or one day a week at home, it did not matter how many hours or when they worked.

Of people appointed to management roles in the past year, 42.6% were women, suggesting the gap in senior roles will continue to narrow.

“I think that’s really, really important,” Lyons said. “What that’s telling me is we’re getting more women into a managerial pipeline.

“As they move up, we’ll start to see more in key management including CEO roles.”


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Reply #6 - Dec 6th, 2016 at 11:49am
 
Gordon wrote on Dec 6th, 2016 at 11:48am:
mothra wrote on Dec 6th, 2016 at 11:46am:
longweekend58 wrote on Dec 6th, 2016 at 11:35am:
Like always, these figures do not prove a genuine gender gap at all. All neurosurgeons are paid the same rate as are judges. But that rate is dependant on years of experience and women tend to have less of that. You can argue why, but it remains true.  And all the other jobs are the same. You dont just rock up at an interview with your degree and expect to get the pay scales mentioned here. ALl of these are based on experience and women tend to have less.





Time out of the workforce for child rearing is only one factor.

If you are denying bias, whether conscious or not, you are a fool.


Is gender attraction to certain professions taken into account?
Is job satisfaction taken into account?


Did you actually read the article?
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Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 6th, 2016 at 9:57am:
This lines up with aquas crap in the uni thread. Look at how many of these require uni degrees.



LOL

i know painters and tilers that make more than those scrubs.
i know a horse dentist who went to japan on a mill.
i know a horse chiropractor who pulls down 1/2 a mill.
i know a dairy farmer who does farmstays for chinese tourists who pulls in 70 k a month.
i know of a bloke who shoots wild dogs at blackall who pulled in 60 grand in 2 days

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Reply #8 - Dec 6th, 2016 at 11:55am
 
mothra wrote on Dec 6th, 2016 at 11:49am:
Gordon wrote on Dec 6th, 2016 at 11:48am:
mothra wrote on Dec 6th, 2016 at 11:46am:
longweekend58 wrote on Dec 6th, 2016 at 11:35am:
Like always, these figures do not prove a genuine gender gap at all. All neurosurgeons are paid the same rate as are judges. But that rate is dependant on years of experience and women tend to have less of that. You can argue why, but it remains true.  And all the other jobs are the same. You dont just rock up at an interview with your degree and expect to get the pay scales mentioned here. ALl of these are based on experience and women tend to have less.





Time out of the workforce for child rearing is only one factor.

If you are denying bias, whether conscious or not, you are a fool.


Is gender attraction to certain professions taken into account?
Is job satisfaction taken into account?


Did you actually read the article?


No, paywall.



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Reply #9 - Dec 6th, 2016 at 11:57am
 
Gordon wrote on Dec 6th, 2016 at 11:55am:
mothra wrote on Dec 6th, 2016 at 11:49am:
Gordon wrote on Dec 6th, 2016 at 11:48am:
mothra wrote on Dec 6th, 2016 at 11:46am:
longweekend58 wrote on Dec 6th, 2016 at 11:35am:
Like always, these figures do not prove a genuine gender gap at all. All neurosurgeons are paid the same rate as are judges. But that rate is dependant on years of experience and women tend to have less of that. You can argue why, but it remains true.  And all the other jobs are the same. You dont just rock up at an interview with your degree and expect to get the pay scales mentioned here. ALl of these are based on experience and women tend to have less.





Time out of the workforce for child rearing is only one factor.

If you are denying bias, whether conscious or not, you are a fool.


Is gender attraction to certain professions taken into account?
Is job satisfaction taken into account?


Did you actually read the article?


No, paywall.







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Reply #10 - Dec 6th, 2016 at 11:59am
 
if the market pays more for men, there can only be one explanation...men are more valuable.

here on planet earth or as i call it "reality", you get paid what you are worth.

if women want to be paid more, they need to make themselves more valuable.

complaining does not add to your value.
the market wont pay you more because you have a Ph D in complaining.
neither are degrees in 'feeling sorry for yourself", "being butt-hurt" or "being a cry baby" likely to result in the market (aka reality) paying you more.

If women want to get more, they simply have to "become " more
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Reply #11 - Dec 6th, 2016 at 12:00pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Dec 6th, 2016 at 11:59am:
if the market pays more for men, there can only be one explanation...men are more valuable.

here on planet earth or as i call it "reality", you get paid what you are worth.

if women want to be paid more, they need to make themselves more valuable.

complaining does not add to your value.
the market wont pay you more because you have a Ph D in complaining.
neither are degrees in 'feeling sorry for yourself", "being butt-hurt" or "being a cry baby" likely to result in the market (aka reality) paying you more.

If women want to get more, they simply have to "become " more



No idea at all. As usual.
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Reply #12 - Dec 6th, 2016 at 12:02pm
 
mothra wrote on Dec 6th, 2016 at 11:57am:
Gordon wrote on Dec 6th, 2016 at 11:55am:
mothra wrote on Dec 6th, 2016 at 11:49am:
Gordon wrote on Dec 6th, 2016 at 11:48am:
mothra wrote on Dec 6th, 2016 at 11:46am:
longweekend58 wrote on Dec 6th, 2016 at 11:35am:
Like always, these figures do not prove a genuine gender gap at all. All neurosurgeons are paid the same rate as are judges. But that rate is dependant on years of experience and women tend to have less of that. You can argue why, but it remains true.  And all the other jobs are the same. You dont just rock up at an interview with your degree and expect to get the pay scales mentioned here. ALl of these are based on experience and women tend to have less.





Time out of the workforce for child rearing is only one factor.

If you are denying bias, whether conscious or not, you are a fool.


Is gender attraction to certain professions taken into account?
Is job satisfaction taken into account?


Did you actually read the article?


No, paywall.







I c&p'ed it in ...  Shocked


Nothing about job satisfaction.
Shouldn't any serious study of gender pay gap also discuss occupational injuries and fatalities?

The title of this thread is 'gender pay gap'. You didn't specify you wanted all discussion to be strictly limited to the article YOU published.
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Reply #13 - Dec 6th, 2016 at 12:04pm
 
Gordon wrote on Dec 6th, 2016 at 12:02pm:
mothra wrote on Dec 6th, 2016 at 11:57am:
Gordon wrote on Dec 6th, 2016 at 11:55am:
mothra wrote on Dec 6th, 2016 at 11:49am:
Gordon wrote on Dec 6th, 2016 at 11:48am:
mothra wrote on Dec 6th, 2016 at 11:46am:
longweekend58 wrote on Dec 6th, 2016 at 11:35am:
Like always, these figures do not prove a genuine gender gap at all. All neurosurgeons are paid the same rate as are judges. But that rate is dependant on years of experience and women tend to have less of that. You can argue why, but it remains true.  And all the other jobs are the same. You dont just rock up at an interview with your degree and expect to get the pay scales mentioned here. ALl of these are based on experience and women tend to have less.





Time out of the workforce for child rearing is only one factor.

If you are denying bias, whether conscious or not, you are a fool.


Is gender attraction to certain professions taken into account?
Is job satisfaction taken into account?


Did you actually read the article?


No, paywall.







I c&p'ed it in ...  Shocked


Nothing about job satisfaction.
Shouldn't any serious study of gender pay gap also discuss occupational injuries and fatalities?



Amongst judges, neurosurgeons and real estate agents?
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Reply #14 - Dec 6th, 2016 at 12:05pm
 
So what percentage of men are in this top 50 jobs? 5%? The other 95% are metaphorically and literally shoveling sh*t for a living while probably earning not even a third of the top 50. This is (one reason) why the feminist rant on the pay gap is not only inaccurate but also counter productive.
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