Sir Nail was criticised since 2007 by losers like Longweekend
who said it could never happen but here's the evidence -

it's finally happened - a 1341 bhp  all electric car made in China:




One-megawatt (1,341bhp)

And yet the EP9 can be recharged from flat in as little as 45 minutes, to offer a range of more than 265 miles.


Breaking records
The 195mph NIO EP9 has lapped the track, NextEV claims, in just 7m 05.12sec, or around 17 seconds faster than the previous electric car record. Indeed, to put it in context, the EP9's time is only beaten in the all-time list by four road-legal cars, two of them thinly disguised racers, and the other two supercars from Porsche and Lamborghini.




read more:

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/12/01/autos/nextev-nio-china-fastest-supercar/index....

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 5^th, 2016 at 9:02pm:


Don't BS now because you were always banging on about the batteries running out because you were too stupid and lazy to ignore the warning message on your smart phone to plug it in at night.

And yet there are plenty of uber expensive fossil fool cars and no one seems to complain about the viability of those. Go figure !!

bump for Longweekend.

BigOl64 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2016 at 8:19am:


I said that because of people like you and longprong that china would be building these types of cars before we did. Guess what ? I was right

Hopefully China floods the market with leccy cars so cheap I can buy 2. Leave one at home on solar charge while I drive the other.

Sir lastnail wrote on Dec 6^th, 2016 at 9:58am:



So in 2007 when you stated that china would build an electric car before us, you were wrong weren't you?

Because you just stated that we built an electric car in 2000, did you know this when you made the statement in 2007?


Did your boyfriend know this when he started this thread of devotion?



One day you will learn about economies of scale and how they are extremely important for manufacturing of all sorts of stuff, including electric cars.


Never belittle others for being not very smart, as you are barely functional as an adult.

Its a $1.2M car. How affordable is that?  It is a two-seater. How practical is that?  and the 45min recharge???  Not from a home power-point but a 100Kw connection - which no one has.

And still the same problem exists for EVs that people travel BIG distances and many do it often making the current crop of EVs useless.  Maybe for a renter-nail who has no friends and nowhere to go but the servo where he works, but for everyone else.. no good at all. 

Come back when you can build a 7 seater SUV with a 600mile range and under $60K. Until then, petrol cars are bigger, better, cheaper and more flexible.


ANYONE CAN BUILD AN EV WHEN PRICE IS NO OBJECT.  trouble is, no one will buy them.

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2016 at 11:32am:




When this is beyond his comprehension, there is no real hope of any adult discourse from the resident clown.


Sir lastnail wrote on Dec 6^th, 2016 at 10:29am:

BigOl64 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2016 at 12:20pm:


What's the issue here ? The chinese will make lots of them and price them accordingly unlike Holden selling an hybrid electric Holden Cruze for 60K which they had no hope of selling in the first place !!

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2016 at 12:41pm:


Depends which country you live in

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 5^th, 2016 at 9:02pm:

No one cares what your finishing school told you to say 

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2016 at 12:41pm:

No one cares about you: Wake up broseph 

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2016 at 11:32am:


It's the very same model as mobile phones used: come in high and bring the price down once you've grabbed consumer attention! Politicians do the very same thing with exaggerated language.


..to even bother trying to say this marketing scheme has not been practised, let alone proven to work before, is simply uneducated spastication!


Do you vote capital "L"iberal or something: say hello to the slave toffee noses in your family for me why don't ya  (I've got a kid and a house and a bank account and I'm not eating cat food like the generations that actually went to war.... go me  )

Fred_Frog wrote on Dec 6^th, 2016 at 2:44pm:

you forget government intervention that distorts the theory of the invisible hand of alleged free-market forces.

this forum understands you haven't done year 11 economics 

you forget government intervention that distorts the theory of the invisible hand of alleged free-market forces.

this forum understands you haven't done year 11 economics 



you forget government intervention that distorts the theory of the invisible hand of alleged free-market forces.

this forum understands you haven't done year 11 economics 

you forget government intervention that distorts the theory of the invisible hand of alleged free-market forces.

this forum understands you haven't done year 11 economics 

you forget government intervention that distorts the theory of the invisible hand of alleged free-market forces.

this forum understands you haven't done year 11 economics 



you forget government intervention that distorts the theory of the invisible hand of alleged free-market forces.

this forum understands you haven't done year 11 economics 

you forget government intervention that distorts the theory of the invisible hand of alleged free-market forces.

this forum understands you haven't done year 11 economics 

you forget government intervention that distorts the theory of the invisible hand of alleged free-market forces.

this forum understands you haven't done year 11 economics 



you forget government intervention that distorts the theory of the invisible hand of alleged free-market forces.

this forum understands you haven't done year 11 economics 
you forget government intervention that distorts the theory of the invisible hand of alleged free-market forces.

this forum understands you haven't done year 11 economics 

you forget government intervention that distorts the theory of the invisible hand of alleged free-market forces.

this forum understands you haven't done year 11 economics 



you forget government intervention that distorts the theory of the invisible hand of alleged free-market forces.

this forum understands you haven't done year 11 economics 

you forget government intervention that distorts the theory of the invisible hand of alleged free-market forces.

this forum understands you haven't done year 11 economics 

you forget government intervention that distorts the theory of the invisible hand of alleged free-market forces.

this forum understands you haven't done year 11 economics 



you forget government intervention that distorts the theory of the invisible hand of alleged free-market forces.

this forum understands you haven't done year 11 economics 

you forget government intervention that distorts the theory of the invisible hand of alleged free-market forces.

this forum understands you haven't done year 11 economics 

you forget government intervention that distorts the theory of the invisible hand of alleged free-market forces.

this forum understands you haven't done year 11 economics 



you forget government intervention that distorts the theory of the invisible hand of alleged free-market forces.

this forum understands you haven't done year 11 economics 

you forget government intervention that distorts the theory of the invisible hand of alleged free-market forces.

this forum understands you haven't done year 11 economics 

you forget government intervention that distorts the theory of the invisible hand of alleged free-market forces.

this forum understands you haven't done year 11 economics 



you forget government intervention that distorts the theory of the invisible hand of alleged free-market forces.

this forum understands you haven't done year 11 economics 
you forget government intervention that distorts the theory of the invisible hand of alleged free-market forces.

this forum understands you haven't done year 11 economics 

you forget government intervention that distorts the theory of the invisible hand of alleged free-market forces.

this forum understands you haven't done year 11 economics 



you forget government intervention that distorts the theory of the invisible hand of alleged free-market forces.

this forum understands you haven't done year 11 economics 

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2016 at 2:53pm:


OR THIS FORUM CALLS YOU RUPERT MUR***** front bottom FOREVER 

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2016 at 2:56pm:


Conventional cars today are far better and relatively, much cheaper than they were 50 years ago.

Three things have contributed to this: Robotics, computer aided drafting incl 3D graphics and precision tools. Scale only enables one of these.The other two make small scale manufacture possible.

Bobby. wrote on Dec 6^th, 2016 at 4:34pm:



and you wonder why people think you are Nails gay lover....

Are ALL cars outside of australia made of aluminium?  Hmmm... let's see. NO THEY ARENT. In fact, only very expensive cars are made of aluminium because it is very expensive and very difficult to weld and therefore requires manual welding for much of the frame.

You are an idiot and you continue to look like a gay idiot.

BigOl64 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2016 at 8:46am:




BigOl - you're a mental midget amongst giants.

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2016 at 6:23pm:



That's why we have places like the CSIRO -
they could develop economic ways to fabricate aluminium cars.
instead - 350 or more people were sacked by the Libbos.

shame!

Bobby. wrote on Dec 6^th, 2016 at 6:31pm:



And to all you poor peolpe it is only just over $100 000


fkken luddites!

Bobby. wrote on Dec 6^th, 2016 at 6:31pm:


And is also a very expensive car.

Bobby. wrote on Dec 6^th, 2016 at 6:40pm:


Iron ore price $70/tonne

so it is TWENTY TIMES THE PRICE

Why must you repeatedly set yourself up to be called an idiot by making such extraordinarily DUMB posts.

BTW if the rest of the world cant work out how to weld aluminium more easily why would we be able to? You dont think the Germans and British or Italians have a vested interest in that as well as the entire aero industry?

BigOl64 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2016 at 6:50pm:


It is like watching a train crash in slow motion...

BTW congrats on the adani mine. FNQ could use the jobs.

Now all we need in SA is a complete new set of pollies that posses the ability to say YES to the nuclear dump where we will be paid (wait for it...) $200B over 40 years. $5B a year. An increas in state revenues of 80% every year and what do we say... NO.

Chinese electric supercar 1341bhp

Just think: You could burn through rubber faster than Jeremy Clarkson.

Fred_Frog wrote on Dec 6^th, 2016 at 6:58pm:


I like high-performance cars (I own an FPV-GT), but a car still has to be practical unless you have the dollars to have a range of cars to suit your mood or need at the time. I dont.

Bobby. wrote on Dec 6^th, 2016 at 6:59pm:


they can make ONE - literally ONE - aluminium car.  ONE.  and it is unaffordable even if it were for sale - which it isnt.

You are easily impressed and hopelessly gullible.

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2016 at 7:07pm:



Longy,
If you would have read the article they made 6 of them.

They are prototypes but will lead to a more economical car for
the people with less high specs.

Bobby. wrote on Dec 6^th, 2016 at 7:11pm:


wow... a whole SIX???  well that completely alters my argument.

Seriously dude, you are making a fool of yourself.

Unforgiven wrote on Dec 6^th, 2016 at 7:14pm:


Cost. Cost pure and simple. A carbon-fibre COmmodore would cost $400K and still just be a commodore.  In aircraft design, weight is the number one criteria for performance and economy. adding 25% to the cost of an aircraft that uses half as much fuel is a bargain. Not so much in a mass-market car.

melielongtime....what would you prefer.....that you have 1 stroke or 6?

Aussie wrote on Dec 6^th, 2016 at 7:20pm:


Id like to hear you tell us all about how you were a lawyer. I need a laugh.

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2016 at 7:16pm:


And one Holden VE commodore would have cost 1 billion if they had only made one.

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2016 at 2:53pm:


Have you met all Tesla owners have you ? I doubt if they would mix with your creed.

Bobby. wrote on Dec 6^th, 2016 at 4:34pm:


longprong wanted them to make sh.t that nobody really wanted but believed they wanted and the rest is history

Unforgiven wrote on Dec 6^th, 2016 at 7:17pm:


The only thing that matters is kerb weight. These fancy [expensive] bits are to help alleviate the gross weight of the batteries.

The kerb weight of a Tesla is almost 2 tonne, an Audi rally car not much more than half that.

If a Tesla could beat the Subs, Audis etc, they would be running. They can't, they don't.

Sir lastnail wrote on Dec 6^th, 2016 at 8:37pm:



And still no apology from Longy.

shame!

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2016 at 11:32am:


Correct.

Same with hybrids - expensive, impracticable, and they don't sell despite the novelty aspect of owning one.

And then people want to hear the bump and grind of piston cars to make them feel more alive. 

And then the high speed being boasted of - where do the laws allow for such rocketry along the public roads? : Nowhere, except perhaps in the Simpson Desert or some gun-barrel highway that nobody's ever heard of up there at the Top End.

It's all BS on a stick.

Bobby. wrote on Dec 7^th, 2016 at 6:11am:


Who is going to park their car at the local service station for 45 minutes for a recharge?

Unless the recharge is at home - as with my electric bike - then nobody is going to leave the electric car at the servos overnight, each night, while using a bicycle to and from where it's being recharged.

And if electric cars started to be sold in any number, it would then follow that the petrol companies would make petrol prices at the bowsers so cheap that piston-engines would be the way to go.

And furthermore, if the electric cars don't have good acceleration speeds, then this would be a danger factor on the roads. Fast acceleration speeds is a tool that avoids accidents in certain circumstances.

Sir lastnail wrote on Dec 7^th, 2016 at 8:35am:


The working person is supposed to do this every day of the week - and then at the weekends? Are you kidding? How long will it be before those compulsory 45 minute recharging joints start to install poker machines, booze bars, TABs, and all the other sucker-traps that end up destroying families? The 45 minute stop ends up with fathers and husbands coming home 3 hours late ...

Not in My Name, Bucko!  i

Sir lastnail wrote on Dec 7^th, 2016 at 8:35am:



Yes sir Nail - acceleration far higher than a normal petrol car.

Bobby. wrote on Dec 7^th, 2016 at 9:53am:


Domestic power isn't enough to recharge the batteries.

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 7^th, 2016 at 11:16am:



No they didn't - electric cars are the way of the future.
The Chinese are not slaves of American oil companies -
they will go their own way.

Sir lastnail wrote on Dec 7^th, 2016 at 8:35am:



and australia has TWO superchargers. Just two.  And what if you want to recharge and go?  YOU CANT.  And it isnt 45mins. it is 45mins once you connect up behind the 6 cars in front of you aka TOMORROW.

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 7^th, 2016 at 4:08pm:


Stop talking facts.

These are some figures I worked out some time ago and ran past a sparky:


Assuming 85KWh battery.

Standard 10amp socket gives 2.4kW and will take 36 hours to charge the battery. Charging the Tesla uses the same amount of electricity as 24 x 100W light bulbs.

A 2kW solar setup, assuming a "Peak Sunshine Hour" figure of 5 hours per day (that seems to be an average figure in Australia) will take nearly 9 days to recharge the car. (And your car will need to be home during the day)

That "full tank" will get you up to 500km, and cost you $21 at the 25c tariff 11 (and half that if you only charged at the 13c Tariff 31 rate) Meanwhile, an equivalent family car running at say 10L/100km would cost $65 for the same distance. (A third of the price)

In the real world, a daily 30km round trip to work and back will take around 2 hours of charge to replenish the battery and every 15km driven is the equivalent of running a 100W lightbulb for a day.

The hybrid Camry would cost $40 to travel that distance without aircon running.

Fred_Frog wrote on Dec 7^th, 2016 at 4:26pm:


All of these threads are about losers like last-Nail and his pitiful gay sycophant - Booby - claiming how wonderful EVs are and how it is all 'the libbos' fault we dont have them blah blah blah. Naturally neither of these buffoons owns one or has any plans to.

Even EV manufacturers admit and discuss their weakness which are simply Range and Recharge. And cost of course. Tesla has pretty much beaten Range but recharge is still extremely long and inconvenient and the cars are 3 times the price of petrol equivalents.

They have a long way to go and I do not know how they will EVER beat the recharge time problem without providing 500kW connections and chargers which simply do not exist not do we have the power stations available to generate it.

The laws of physics dont bend for anyone.

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 7^th, 2016 at 5:19pm:


Yeah but you'd know right away, hey douch, the battery you chucked in is only giving me xyz range. Also have you seen any price projections for the batteries?  Remember how much your first 1 gig CF card cost?

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 7^th, 2016 at 4:08pm:




So you go straight to a high performance Tesla to give the worst possible numbers.

What about a possible smaller electric car with a 40 KW motor?
What if you only drive 10 km to work & back every day?