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Italy voting for freedom
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Italians are voting in a constitutional referendum on which reformist Prime Minister Matteo Renzi has staked his future.

Whatever the outcome of a vote being anxiously watched in capitals across Europe and carefully scrutinised on trading floors around the world, it will lead to change.

If the centre-left Renzi's proposals to streamline a 68-year-old parliamentary system are voted down, he has vowed to resign.

That would usher in a period of political uncertainty and potential economic turmoil for the country and its European Union allies.

The most apocalyptic scenarios involve a crisis of investor confidence causing the failure of a rescue scheme for Italy's most indebted banks, triggering a broader crisis across the Euro zone.

But markets last week, while jittery, appeared to have discounted that risk.

If Renzi wins, the country's youngest ever prime minister will be energised in his bid to transform Italy.

Critics say Italy will have been deprived of democratic checks and balances put in place in the aftermath of World War II following the disastrous rule of fascist dictator Benito Mussolini.

Victory for Renzi will mean a new mandate to pursue reforms he sees as key to unshackling Italy's creativity from the influence of a self-serving political caste that has exploited institutional weakness to stymie change.

"If we miss this chance it won't come back for 20 years," he warned voters before campaigning was suspended at midnight on Friday.

Italians appear to realise how much is at stake.
Voters, who have been known to head to the beach rather than the ballot box when less important referendums have fallen on a sunny day, have spent weeks passionately embracing the pros and cons of the proposed reforms.

A bumper turnout looks like the only prediction anyone can make with any certainty, as polls have been banned since 18 November.

Up until then the "No" camp was leading comfortably - but with a quarter of the electorate undecided, Mr Renzi is counting on a silent majority of shy reformers to pull off a surprise turnaround.

After the Brexit and Donald Trump victories, populism has been a factor, and the Five Star Movement led by comic Beppe Grillo would see a "No" vote as its stepping stone to government.

But the campaign has also sent many voters back to their high school textbooks to reconsider the merits of a much-loved constitution, producing an invigorating national discussion that has recalled Scotland's 2014 independence referendum more than the rhetorically-charged Brexit or US presidential debates.

Mr Renzi wants to drastically scale back the size and powers of the parliamentary second chamber, the Senate.

Under his proposed reform, a body of 315 directly-elected and five lifetime lawmakers will become one with only 100 members, mostly nominated by the regions.

The body would also be stripped of most of its powers to block and revise legislation, and to unseat governments.

Other envisioned changes involve transferring some regional powers to the national government, making it easier to get major infrastructural works approved, and abolition of a costly policy agency in Rome.

Inevitably in light of his pledge to stand down should he lose, the vote has also become something of a referendum on Renzi's personality and record after just over 1,000 days in office.

"I'm voting yes because I want Italy to change. I don't like it as it is now," said Rome market trader Marina Marabitti.

But in a reflection of how the campaign has gone, her vote was set to be cancelled out by the man she works alongside six days a week.

"I would be for 'Si' (Yes) if it was not for Renzi. I can't stand him," said Giancarlo Sallusti.

Nearly 51 million Italians are entitled to vote, including four million expats who, reports suggest, could help Renzi defy the odds.

Polls opened at 6am Irish time and were scheduled to close at 10pm, with a reliable result not expected until the early hours tomorrow.


http://www.rte.ie/news/2016/1204/836408-italy-constitutional-referendum/
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Reply #1 - Sep 27th, 2022 at 11:21am
 
Italy's first woman PM.   Good luck to her and Italy.

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Reply #2 - Sep 27th, 2022 at 11:29am
 

I feel sorry for all those good Italians.

This far-right-wing fascist will destroy their country.

A truly horrible person.

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Reply #3 - Sep 27th, 2022 at 11:40am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 27th, 2022 at 11:29am:
I feel sorry for all those good Italians.

This far-right-wing fascist will destroy their country.

A truly horrible person.




How the hell would YOU know, turd?  She is not a far right fascist. You morons call everyone that so it is now a truly shop-soiled, empty slogan. She is of the conservative right and will head a coalition government, as always the case in Italy.  She is against EU overreach - good. Against uncontrolled illegal immigration - good. Lawfully elected by Italians.




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Reply #4 - Sep 27th, 2022 at 12:22pm
 
Frank wrote on Sep 27th, 2022 at 11:40am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 27th, 2022 at 11:29am:
I feel sorry for all those good Italians.

This far-right-wing fascist will destroy their country.

A truly horrible person.




How the hell would YOU know, turd?  She is not a far right fascist.


Meloni joined the Youth Front, the youth wing of the Italian Social Movement (MSI), a far-right political party with neo-fascist roots, in 1992.

The party of new prime minister Giorgia Meloni counts among its members the daughter of Benito Mussolini.
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Reply #5 - Sep 27th, 2022 at 12:51pm
 
Benito Mussolini was a socialist. He admired Lenin and according to some reports met him in Switzerland. He was kicked out of the socialist party.

He supported the Great War and believed it would help workers rise up against monarchies.
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Reply #6 - Sep 27th, 2022 at 12:56pm
 
lee wrote on Sep 27th, 2022 at 12:51pm:
Benito Mussolini was a socialist. He admired Lenin and according to some reports met him in Switzerland. He was kicked out of the socialist party.

He supported the Great War and believed it would help workers rise up against monarchies.


In 1917 Mussolini denounced the PSI, his views now centering on Italian nationalism instead of socialism, and later founded the fascist movement which came to oppose egalitarianism.

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Reply #7 - Sep 27th, 2022 at 12:59pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 27th, 2022 at 12:22pm:
Frank wrote on Sep 27th, 2022 at 11:40am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 27th, 2022 at 11:29am:
I feel sorry for all those good Italians.

This far-right-wing fascist will destroy their country.

A truly horrible person.




How the hell would YOU know, turd?  She is not a far right fascist.


Meloni joined the Youth Front, the youth wing of the Italian Social Movement (MSI), a far-right political party with neo-fascist roots, in 1992.

The party of new prime minister Giorgia Meloni counts among its members the daughter of Benito Mussolini.



So? How would YOU know what kind of person she is, gobshite?
And who are you, vile, repulsive, snarling low-life, to pass judgement on anyone?
https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1663920813/10#10

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Reply #8 - Sep 27th, 2022 at 1:05pm
 
Frank wrote on Sep 27th, 2022 at 12:59pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 27th, 2022 at 12:22pm:
Frank wrote on Sep 27th, 2022 at 11:40am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 27th, 2022 at 11:29am:
I feel sorry for all those good Italians.

This far-right-wing fascist will destroy their country.

A truly horrible person.




How the hell would YOU know, turd?  She is not a far right fascist.


Meloni joined the Youth Front, the youth wing of the Italian Social Movement (MSI), a far-right political party with neo-fascist roots, in 1992.

The party of new prime minister Giorgia Meloni counts among its members the daughter of Benito Mussolini.



So? ...

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1663920813/10#10



So?    Grin

So, I've proven you wrong once again.

That was a good post, by the way:

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Reply #9 - Sep 27th, 2022 at 2:17pm
 
No wonder the left hate her.


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Reply #10 - Sep 27th, 2022 at 2:23pm
 

Meloni joined the Youth Front, the youth wing of the Italian Social Movement (MSI), a far-right political party with neo-fascist roots, in 1992.

The party of new prime minister Giorgia Meloni counts among its members the daughter of Benito Mussolini.

Horrible person.
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Reply #11 - Sep 27th, 2022 at 2:31pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 27th, 2022 at 12:56pm:
In 1917 Mussolini denounced the PSI, his views now centering on Italian nationalism instead of socialism, and later founded the fascist movement which came to oppose egalitarianism.


So he was both extreme left and extreme right. That confirms my theory that politics is not a straight line movement by circular. Thanks for that. Wink
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Reply #12 - Sep 27th, 2022 at 2:51pm
 
The left hate women, unless they have a penis.
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Reply #13 - Sep 27th, 2022 at 2:56pm
 

"So incensed is she by the charge of fascism that last week she sent a video to foreign correspondents based in Italy, in which she attests in three languages that she is not a fascist and poses no threat to democracy."

Exactly what a fascist who hates democracy would do.

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Reply #14 - Sep 27th, 2022 at 2:58pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 27th, 2022 at 2:56pm:
Exactly what a fascist who hates democracy would do.



Just like saying gweggy is a communist., If he denies it you know it's lies. If he doesn't deny it, it must be the truth. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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