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Dec 2nd, 2016 at 6:42am
 
Watch Airileke's Powerful Video for West Papuan Independence Day



On December 1st, 1961 West Papua — once known as Dutch New Guinea — was granted independence. Indonesia promptly invaded and took back control of the region, and ever since the West Papuan people have been fighting for their freedom, battling both against oppression from Indonesia (including actions that has seen their population percentage reduce from 98% to under 50%) and for wider recognition from international governing agencies — a bureaucratic struggle epitomised with the widely criticised 'Act of No Choice' vote of 1969.

Attempting to re-ignite awareness of the issue and to coincide with the annual December 1st global ceremonies — commemorating the first Morning Star flag raising in 1961 — ARIA-nominated, Melbourne-based Melanesian artist Airileke has recorded a new track entitled "Sorong Samarai". It's the debut release from politically motivated label Rize of the Morning Star and exclusively premiering today via Rolling Stone Australia.

The song's title references Sorong, a town in the north-west corner of West Papua and Samarai, a small township in the south-east of neighbouring Papua New Guinea. The geographical line between the two locations — commonly referred to as "S2S" — is often used to signify a united state of solidarity.

Building from that strong statement of heritage and identity, the song fuses traditional chanting and log drum percussion with a punctuating reggae rhythm that delivers a striking sense of urgency. The fist-pumped passion through the verses —  both in English and traditional dialect — is only momentarily paused for the poignant, anthemic hook: "one people, one soul, one destiny"; a line adapted from exiled activist Benny Wenda's United Nations address 20 years ago.

"We wanted to positively present the beauty of West Papua and PNG and the strength of its culture and people, so the wider community connects emotionally to the situation and begins to take a stronger interest", explains Airileke of the striking scenes in the accompanying video. The clip, directed by Carlo Santone (Blue King Brown, Nattali Rize, One Rebel Creative), continues the song's strong sense of celebration via a vibrant array of pristine island scenery and — more importantly — an exhibition of the tightly preserved culture of the people of that land.

Following the release, Airileke is set to take the song to an even wider audience in early-2017, with plans for a series of performances with collaborators from West Papua, PNG and Australia.



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Reply #1 - Dec 2nd, 2016 at 6:58am
 
It will never happen whilst Australia/Australian Politicians like Julie Bishop keep denying that there is any evidence of genocide being carried out on the West Papuan people by occupying Indonesian Forces.

Too many vested interests in exploiting West Papaun resources whilst the people are being shot, tortured, imprisoned and women being raped & children abducted & taken to Indonesia to be indoctrinated/brainwashed.

This truly is a modern day blight on the Australian Govt to deliberately ignore our closest northern neighbor & war time allies in the people of West Papua.

They are Melanesian not Indonesian. Always have been & never will be.
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Good lord!

I agree with Gnads .... Shocked
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West Papuan solidarity events planned to mark Morning Star flag day



It is now 55 years since the Morning Star flag was flown officially in West Papua for the first time on the 1 December 1961.

The West Papuan people continue to raise their flag as an act of celebration but also in protest against the injustices they suffer under Indonesian rule. They can face up to 15 years jail for doing so.

Jakarta is becoming increasingly concerned at the internationalisation of the issue of West Papua which is why the security forces  have been cracking down on peacefully rallies organised by civil society organisations in West Papua.

The most recent crackdown was on the West Papua National Committee (KNPB) as they celebrated their eighth anniversary last week – 106 people were arrested in Sorong.

However,  thousands of West Papuans have been arrested at rallies throughout the past year in West Papua. Although the majority of activists were eventually released, during the arrests activists were regularly beaten and in some cases faced torture.

In Sorong, police ordered a Papuan praying congregation to disperse, accusing them of separatism.

There has been a huge groundswell of support around the world and in the Asia-Pacific region on the issue of West Papua.

This support includes civil society organisations, churches and governments.

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Seven Pacific leaders raised the issue of West Papua at the 71st Session of the United Nations General Assembly in New York in September.

The Marshall Islands, Nauru, Palau, Solomon Islands, Tonga, Tuvalu and Vanuatu all raised concerns about the human rights situation in West Papua.

From the Solomon Islands, Prime Minister Manasseh Sogavare said in a statement:

“The Solomon Islands is gravely concerned about the human rights violations against Melanesians in West Papua.

“Human rights violations in West Papua and the pursuit for self-determination of West Papua are two sides of the same coin.

“Many reports on human rights violations in West Papua emphasize the inherent corroboration between the right to self-determination that results in direct violations of human rights by Indonesia in its attempts to smother any form of opposition.”

Recently a new “Pacific Coalition on West Papua” was formed.  The initial membership comprises the Solomon Islands government, Vanuatu government, Front de Liberation Nationale Kanak et Socialiste (FLNKS) and the United Liberation Movement of West Papua and the Pacific Islands Alliance of Non-Governmental Organisations (PIANGO).


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Exploitation and genocide in West Papua



West Papua is the western half of the island of New Guinea, bordering the independent nation of Papua New Guinea. It lies just 200km north of Australia. The land comprises a large mountainous interior, forest lowlands, large areas of coastal mangrove swamps and is surrounded by numerous small islands and coral reefs.

Since the first days of Indonesian occupation, the people and land of West Papua have been under relentless attack. In an attempt to control the Papuans, and to claim the land to make way for resource extraction, the Indonesian army has systematically murdered, raped and tortured people in numbers that would constitute a genocide.

Over the last fifty years Indonesia has carried out a social engineering project on a massive scale in West Papua by relocating hundreds of thousands of people from across Indonesia to live in camps cut into the forests of West Papua. This program of transmigration has long been heavily criticised and has brought problems for both the indigenous population and trans migrants alike.  One of the worst examples of this is the displacement and killing of thousands of people to make way for the giant American owned Freeport mine, the largest gold mine in the world, which has reduced a sacred mountain to a crater and poisoned the local river system.

Indonesia guards West Papua aggressively, not allowing journalists, diplomats or human rights workers into the country. West Papua is one of the Indonesia’s largest taxpayers. Many countries turn a blind eye to what is happening in West Papua due to their own financial interests in the country.

Australia as a quasi military ally of Indonesia through the 2006 Lombok Treaty (which was itself based on suppressing international support for West Papua), will find itself in an increasing awkward position: a self proclaimed promoter of human rights, yet a supporting actor in an occupation entailing crimes against humanity and genocide.

The following video explains the exploitation and genocide and the reason many countries keep quiet about it.

http://theaimn.com/exploitation-genocide-west-papua/
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Reply #7 - Dec 2nd, 2016 at 9:31am
 
There’s a Genocide of Black People in West Papua That Will Literally Make You Sick to Your Stomach

February 2, 2016 4:14 pm  by M. David (Editor In Chief)
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Genocides are not a thing of the past. They are not stories we read about in history books from a time long ago. Genocides are still happening right as we speak.

A report from the Asian Human Rights Commission tells a little about the genocide in West Papua (link here).


The genocide against West Papuans is so disturbing, that there are reports of victims being boiled alive and chopped to pieces even while they were still alive.

All of this is being perpetrated by the Indonesian military – a nation considered “friendly” with the West. Relations between the United States and Indonesia are generally strong and close. Thus far, the U.S. government has done nothing to try to stop their “allies” from carrying out this genocide.

The United States claims that they have important economic, commercial, and security interests in Indonesia.

It is because of this, that the politicians claiming to represent the will of the American people, have wantonly turned a blind eye to this genocide.

Over 500,000 West Papuans have been killed by the Indonesian government to date.

Many of the horrifying details are too numerous for a concise article on this genocide. For more information, watch the video below and help SPREAD THE WORD!



(Article by Shante Wooten)

http://countercurrentnews.com/2016/02/black-people-in-west-papua/
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Reply #8 - Dec 2nd, 2016 at 9:40am
 
The $100bn gold mine and the West Papuans who say they are counting the cost



In 1936, Dutch geologist Jean Jacques Dozy climbed the world’s highest island peak: the forbidding Mount Carstensz, a snow-covered silver crag on what was then known as Dutch New Guinea. During the 4,800-metre ascent, Dozy noticed an unusual rock outcrop veined with green streaks. Samples he brought back confirmed exceptionally rich gold and copper deposits.

Today, these remote, sharp-edged mountains are part of West Papua, Indonesia, and home to the Grasberg mine, one of the biggest gold mines – and third largest copper mine – in the world. Majority-owned by the American mining firm Freeport McMoRan, Grasberg is now Indonesia’s biggest taxpayer, with reserves worth an estimated $100bn (£80bn).

But a recent fact-finding mission (by the Brisbane Archdiocese’s Catholic Justice and Peace Commission) described a “slow-motion genocide” (pdf) taking place in West Papua, warning that its indigenous population is at risk of becoming “an anthropological museum exhibit of a bygone culture”.

Since the Suharto dictatorship annexed the region in a 1969 UN referendum largely seen as a fixed land grab, an estimated 500,000 West Papuans have been killed in their fight for self-rule. Decades of military and police oppression, kidnapping and torture have created a long-standing culture of fear. Local and foreign journalists are routinely banned, detained, beaten and forced to face trial on trumped-up charges. Undercover police regularly trail indigenous religious, social and political leaders. And children still in primary school have been jailed for taking part in demonstrations calling for independence from Indonesia.

“There is no justice in this country,” whispered one indigenous villager on condition of anonymity, looking over his shoulder fearfully. “It is an island without law.”

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Dozy had not set out to find gold in 1936; his goal was to scale the region’s highest glacial peak. But his discovery sparked the interest of Freeport Sulphur – later to become Freeport Minerals Company and then, through a 1981 merger with the McMoRan Oil and Gas Company, Freeport McMoRan – whose board of directors included the well-connected Godfrey Rockefeller (serving from 1931 until the early 1980s) and Henry Kissinger (1988-1995).

Today, indigenous tribes such as the Kamoro and the Amungme claim their communities have been racked with poverty, disease, oppression and environmental degradation since the mine began operations in 1973.

“We are a coastal people, and we depend on the environment,” says the Kamoro’s chief, Hironimus Urmani, in Tipuka, a lowland village down-river from the Grasberg mine. “Nature is a blessing from God, and we are known by the three Ss: sago [trees], sampan [canoes] and sungai [rivers]. But life is very difficult now.”

Urmani motions to the river opposite, languishing green and motionless. He claims that tailing sediment from the mine has raised the riverbed, suffocating the fish, oysters and shrimp on which the Kamoro diet and economy are traditionally based. A 2012 report from Earthworks and MiningWatch Canada asserts that mine waste from Grasberg has “buried over 166 square kilometres of formerly productive forest and wetlands, and fish have largely disappeared”.

Although most Kamoro still try to eke out a living fishing and foraging for food, they struggle to find paid work, says Urmani. “We need to earn money. But now we face major competition from non-Papuan migrants.”

Locals fear that the government’s controversial transmigration programme, which resettles Indonesians from high-density islands such as Java to low-population areas, is wiping out their population completely. Indigenous Melanesian Christians – they comprised 96% of the population in 1971 (pdf) – now make up a 48% minority, with numbers expected to fall to 29% by 2020 if migration rates continue.

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Successive Australian governments have show nothing by craven cowardice on this issue, much like they did for East Timor.

All Australians should be ashamed of our total lack of empathy and action.


All of us have stood by and said nothing while our governments has stood by and done nothing.


God forbid we should upset our muslim neighbours to the north while they slaughter the people of West Paupa and previously East Timor.


Our cowardice is well know to indonesia.  Angry Angry
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Reply #10 - Dec 2nd, 2016 at 10:07am
 
BigOl64 wrote on Dec 2nd, 2016 at 10:00am:
Successive Australian governments have show nothing by craven cowardice on this issue, much like they did for East Timor.

All Australians should be ashamed of our total lack of empathy and action.


All of us have stood by and said nothing while our governments has stood by and done nothing.


God forbid we should upset our muslim neighbours to the north while they slaughter the people of West Paupa and previously East Timor.


Our cowardice is well know to indonesia.  Angry Angry


East Timor was a piece of cake and we still dithered on it for decades.
Taking a stance against Indonesia on WP would cause a full scale war.
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Reply #11 - Dec 2nd, 2016 at 10:31am
 
BigOl64 wrote on Dec 2nd, 2016 at 10:00am:
Successive Australian governments have show nothing by craven cowardice on this issue, much like they did for East Timor.

All Australians should be ashamed of our total lack of empathy and action.


All of us have stood by and said nothing while our governments has stood by and done nothing.


God forbid we should upset our muslim neighbours to the north while they slaughter the people of West Paupa and previously East Timor.


Our cowardice is well know to indonesia.  Angry Angry



First i agree with Gnads, then Big Ol... astounding.

Just goes to show common ground can be found.
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Why aren't the West Papuans enjoying the Multicultural Experience? The enriching Diversity and ... "We are One, but We are Maaaaaaany ..... "

I'm loathe to say they're racist and bigotted, but if the grass-skirt fits ....
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Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 2nd, 2016 at 10:38am:
Why aren't the West Papuans enjoying the Multicultural Experience? The enriching Diversity and ... "We are One, but We are Maaaaaaany ..... "

I'm loathe to say they're racist and bigotted, but if the grass-skirt fits ....




Because over 500,000 have been killed?
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Gordon wrote on Dec 2nd, 2016 at 10:07am:
BigOl64 wrote on Dec 2nd, 2016 at 10:00am:
Successive Australian governments have show nothing by craven cowardice on this issue, much like they did for East Timor.

All Australians should be ashamed of our total lack of empathy and action.


All of us have stood by and said nothing while our governments has stood by and done nothing.


God forbid we should upset our muslim neighbours to the north while they slaughter the people of West Paupa and previously East Timor.


Our cowardice is well know to indonesia.  Angry Angry


East Timor was a piece of cake and we still dithered on it for decades.
Taking a stance against Indonesia on WP would cause a full scale war.



Indonesia's military provide nothing more than a target rich environment.

They are used to kill women and children in occupied lands.


No point having a big shiny Air-force if all you are going to do with is friggen air shows and acrobatic displays.


Since indonesia has invaded both East Timor and West Papua we have had the military capability to eject them, just not the political will due to cowardice.



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Reply #15 - Dec 2nd, 2016 at 10:46am
 
mothra wrote on Dec 2nd, 2016 at 10:31am:
BigOl64 wrote on Dec 2nd, 2016 at 10:00am:
Successive Australian governments have show nothing by craven cowardice on this issue, much like they did for East Timor.

All Australians should be ashamed of our total lack of empathy and action.


All of us have stood by and said nothing while our governments has stood by and done nothing.


God forbid we should upset our muslim neighbours to the north while they slaughter the people of West Paupa and previously East Timor.


Our cowardice is well know to indonesia.  Angry Angry



First i agree with Gnads, then Big Ol... astounding.

Just goes to show common ground can be found.



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Reply #16 - Dec 2nd, 2016 at 12:29pm
 
BigOl64 wrote on Dec 2nd, 2016 at 10:45am:
Gordon wrote on Dec 2nd, 2016 at 10:07am:
BigOl64 wrote on Dec 2nd, 2016 at 10:00am:
Successive Australian governments have show nothing by craven cowardice on this issue, much like they did for East Timor.

All Australians should be ashamed of our total lack of empathy and action.


All of us have stood by and said nothing while our governments has stood by and done nothing.


God forbid we should upset our muslim neighbours to the north while they slaughter the people of West Paupa and previously East Timor.


Our cowardice is well know to indonesia.  Angry Angry


East Timor was a piece of cake and we still dithered on it for decades.
Taking a stance against Indonesia on WP would cause a full scale war.



Indonesia's military provide nothing more than a target rich environment.

They are used to kill women and children in occupied lands.


No point having a big shiny Air-force if all you are going to do with is friggen air shows and acrobatic displays.


Since indonesia has invaded both East Timor and West Papua we have had the military capability to eject them, just not the political will due to cowardice.






You've got to remember, we are complicit in the genocide of the West Papuans.

Our hands are covered in blood,
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Reply #17 - Dec 2nd, 2016 at 12:52pm
 
Not before time - somebody already stole the phrase I was going to throw in about Australian governments - craven cowardice.

When those little bastards shot the journos in Balibo etc, one short sharp blow would have knocked them back on their heels and saved decades of agony for millions....

Bunch of piss-poor amateurs with the spine of a jellyfish... the only reason they finally went into East Timor was because of the North Shelf Gas - bunch of gutless and amoral self-serving cowards.

... and that's me being nice....
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Reply #18 - Dec 2nd, 2016 at 12:53pm
 
BigOl64 wrote on Dec 2nd, 2016 at 10:45am:
Gordon wrote on Dec 2nd, 2016 at 10:07am:
BigOl64 wrote on Dec 2nd, 2016 at 10:00am:
Successive Australian governments have show nothing by craven cowardice on this issue, much like they did for East Timor.

All Australians should be ashamed of our total lack of empathy and action.


All of us have stood by and said nothing while our governments has stood by and done nothing.


God forbid we should upset our muslim neighbours to the north while they slaughter the people of West Paupa and previously East Timor.


Our cowardice is well know to indonesia.  Angry Angry


East Timor was a piece of cake and we still dithered on it for decades.
Taking a stance against Indonesia on WP would cause a full scale war.



Indonesia's military provide nothing more than a target rich environment.

They are used to kill women and children in occupied lands.


No point having a big shiny Air-force if all you are going to do with is friggen air shows and acrobatic displays.


Since indonesia has invaded both East Timor and West Papua we have had the military capability to eject them, just not the political will due to cowardice.





Spot on, bro..... kick ass and take no names....
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Reply #19 - Dec 2nd, 2016 at 1:53pm
 
BigOl64 wrote on Dec 2nd, 2016 at 10:45am:
Gordon wrote on Dec 2nd, 2016 at 10:07am:
BigOl64 wrote on Dec 2nd, 2016 at 10:00am:
Successive Australian governments have show nothing by craven cowardice on this issue, much like they did for East Timor.

All Australians should be ashamed of our total lack of empathy and action.


All of us have stood by and said nothing while our governments has stood by and done nothing.


God forbid we should upset our muslim neighbours to the north while they slaughter the people of West Paupa and previously East Timor.


Our cowardice is well know to indonesia.  Angry Angry


East Timor was a piece of cake and we still dithered on it for decades.
Taking a stance against Indonesia on WP would cause a full scale war.



Indonesia's military provide nothing more than a target rich environment.

They are used to kill women and children in occupied lands.


No point having a big shiny Air-force if all you are going to do with is friggen air shows and acrobatic displays.


Since indonesia has invaded both East Timor and West Papua we have had the military capability to eject them, just not the political will due to cowardice.





The blowback would be huge. They'd launch 100 reffo boats a day.
Indonesia would go full Jihad against us.




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mothra wrote on Dec 2nd, 2016 at 10:40am:
Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 2nd, 2016 at 10:38am:
Why aren't the West Papuans enjoying the Multicultural Experience? The enriching Diversity and ... "We are One, but We are Maaaaaaany ..... "

I'm loathe to say they're racist and bigotted, but if the grass-skirt fits ....


Because over 500,000 have been killed?


Because they resisted immigration and multiculturalism?
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Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 2nd, 2016 at 2:14pm:
mothra wrote on Dec 2nd, 2016 at 10:40am:
Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 2nd, 2016 at 10:38am:
Why aren't the West Papuans enjoying the Multicultural Experience? The enriching Diversity and ... "We are One, but We are Maaaaaaany ..... "

I'm loathe to say they're racist and bigotted, but if the grass-skirt fits ....


Because over 500,000 have been killed?


Because they resisted immigration and multiculturalism?



No. Because they were wiped out.
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Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 2nd, 2016 at 2:14pm:
mothra wrote on Dec 2nd, 2016 at 10:40am:
Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 2nd, 2016 at 10:38am:
Why aren't the West Papuans enjoying the Multicultural Experience? The enriching Diversity and ... "We are One, but We are Maaaaaaany ..... "

I'm loathe to say they're racist and bigotted, but if the grass-skirt fits ....


Because over 500,000 have been killed?


Because they resisted immigration and multiculturalism?


I can't believe you're posting this crap on the subject of West Papua & the genocide of their people by Indonesian dogs.
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When it comes to politicians & political parties in Australia

there is one thing both Labor & the Libs have in common

decades of ignoring, failing, denying that this problem exists

I am usually a Labor voter & detest the anti worker policies of the LNP

but I can assure you I am well aware of one of Labors greatest statesmen & former Prime Minister Gough Whitlams hand way back in the 60's of handing over West Papua to Indonesian control.

It was the biggest blight on his career.

And to me makes a mockery of his stance for Aboriginal Land Rights & the BS pictorial of him & Vincent Lingiari at Wave Hill Station.

Just a load of media tart bullshit.
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Gnads wrote on Dec 2nd, 2016 at 7:35pm:
When it comes to politicians & political parties in Australia

there is one thing both Labor & the Libs have in common

decades of ignoring, failing, denying that this problem exists

I am usually a Labor voter & detest the anti worker policies of the LNP

but I can assure you I am well aware of one of Labors greatest statesmen & former Prime Minister Gough Whitlams hand way back in the 60's of handing over West Papua to Indonesian control.

It was the biggest blight on his career.

And to me makes a mockery of his stance for Aboriginal Land Rights & the BS pictorial of him & Vincent Lingiari at Wave Hill Station.

Just a load of media tart bullshit.


Well said.

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It seems the Indonesians have been conducting something akin to Ethnic Cleansing in West Papua, and it's strange indeed that even a Far Left organisation like the UN is totally unconcerned about it and doesn't believe the Indonesians are at fault for any reason. (Gleaned from a source other than the above link).
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Reply #25 - Dec 2nd, 2016 at 9:46pm
 
When we say 'Indonesians', what we really mean is the Javanese. Before the Dutch took over these islands they were a large bunch of diverse cultures and religions.  However after Dutch settlement they chose the Javanese to be their lapdogs and exported them to the other islands to act as overseers, much the same as the British did with Indians throughout the empire.

Naturally, the Javanese turned on their masters and were enthusiastic embracers of the Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere imposed by the Japanese in 1942. This makes them unique among the people of SE Asia.

After the war the Javanese continued to control their empire inherited from the Dutch and were not about to allow any dissent, which brings us to the West Papua colonial land grab.
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Reply #26 - Dec 2nd, 2016 at 10:47pm
 
mothra wrote on Dec 2nd, 2016 at 6:59am:
Good lord!

I agree with Gnads .... Shocked


Same. Just that Gnads says it better than what I would have done.
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Reply #27 - Dec 2nd, 2016 at 11:19pm
 
Gordon wrote on Dec 2nd, 2016 at 1:53pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Dec 2nd, 2016 at 10:45am:
Gordon wrote on Dec 2nd, 2016 at 10:07am:
BigOl64 wrote on Dec 2nd, 2016 at 10:00am:
Successive Australian governments have show nothing by craven cowardice on this issue, much like they did for East Timor.

All Australians should be ashamed of our total lack of empathy and action.


All of us have stood by and said nothing while our governments has stood by and done nothing.


God forbid we should upset our muslim neighbours to the north while they slaughter the people of West Paupa and previously East Timor.


Our cowardice is well know to indonesia.  Angry Angry


East Timor was a piece of cake and we still dithered on it for decades.
Taking a stance against Indonesia on WP would cause a full scale war.



Indonesia's military provide nothing more than a target rich environment.

They are used to kill women and children in occupied lands.


No point having a big shiny Air-force if all you are going to do with is friggen air shows and acrobatic displays.


Since indonesia has invaded both East Timor and West Papua we have had the military capability to eject them, just not the political will due to cowardice.





The blowback would be huge. They'd launch 100 reffo boats a day.
Indonesia would go full Jihad against us.


They would launch that many if they wanted. Politics or not.
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Reply #28 - Dec 3rd, 2016 at 12:04am
 
The West Papuans are primitive natives with zero ability to self govern. This thread is all about sour grapes because the Indos took them over instead of us. Get over it.
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Reply #29 - Dec 3rd, 2016 at 6:53am
 
Rubbish

We are complicit with the Indos in development of the processes to strip the country of it's natural resources.

It matters not if they are a primitive people - PNG is self governing

It is their country not the indonesians.

And it does not excuse 56 years of genocide by these trigger happy, small man syndrome bastards.

That we have trained their military & sold them military hardware and supplied them multi millions of dollars in aid
compounds our complicity in this genocide.
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Gnads wrote on Dec 3rd, 2016 at 6:53am:
Rubbish

We are complicit with the Indos in development of the processes to strip the country of it's natural resources.

It matters not if they are a primitive people - PNG is self governing

It is their country not the indonesians.

And it does not excuse 56 years of genocide by these trigger happy, small man syndrome bastards.

That we have trained their military & sold them military hardware and supplied them multi millions of dollars in aid
compounds our complicity in this genocide.


Very well said.


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Reply #32 - Dec 3rd, 2016 at 12:24pm
 
We mustn't upset out Muslim neighbors.
Shhh. Don't mention the war.
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