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Dec 1st, 2016 at 9:25am
 
The 'war on drugs' has failed, and Australia must change its policies

NOVEMBER 29 2016

It has long been evident the global "war on drugs" sparked by then US president Richard Nixon about half a century ago is one of the most tragic and abject failures in the history of public policy. Rather than reduce harm caused by substance misuse and addiction, it has cost countless lives by treating people with a medical problem as criminals. It has wasted a fortune in taxpayers' money. It has enriched criminal cartels. It has epitomised politicians' propensity to pander to fear, rather than to lead enlightened community change by championing evidence-based policy.

That is why The Age has for years been arguing the policy should be dumped in favour of a harm minimisation strategy based on decriminalisation, regulation and education. We continue to so advocate, and believe the resources being wasted on this misguided, indefensible "war" should be diverted from the criminal justice system to the health system, where there is a need for more treatment facilities and support to help those with drug issues recover and stay well.

Today we repeat what we said five years ago: "The Age is not in any way seeking to condone or encourage the misuse of addictive substances, be they legal or illegal. On the contrary, we stress that addictive drugs are extremely dangerous, particularly for young people, whose brains are still developing and who are particularly vulnerable to drug-induced mental health problems. Drug addiction and misadventure cause tragedies. Far too many Australian families can attest to that. That is the point; we are arguing for a public debate about policies to minimise harm."

And so we welcome the courage and leadership of Greens leader Richard Di Natale, a former drugs and alcohol doctor, who in recent days convinced his party to abandon its blanket opposition to the legalisation of illicit drugs.

"It's time to recognise this is a health problem not a law and order one. We have to have an open, honest conversation about this and stop pretending we're winning this war," he said.

Senator Di Natale's timing is favourable. The barriers to reform are tumbling, as politicians and policymakers the world over, unable to any longer ignore the facts, are decriminalising substances, particularly cannabis. Portugal, which Senator Di Natale recently visited on a study tour, is seen as the global leader on drugs policy, having decriminalised drugs 15 years ago. This has led to a decrease in drug use, crime, disease and overdoses.

And it has emboldened many other nations to adopt similar policies. They are policies that appeal to progressives, libertarians and conservatives alike – progressives and libertarians because of their support for freedom, and conservatives because of their appreciation for rational, evidence-based policy.

The Greens' policy change came only days after a call by world leaders for the decriminalisation of illicit drugs. In its annual report, the Global Commission on Drug Policy advocated the dumping of civil and criminal penalties for drug use and possession, and stated prohibition has had "little or no impact". The commission includes former UN secretary-general Kofi Annan and former presidents of Switzerland, Colombia, Mexico and Brazil.

The line between licit and illicit drugs is arbitrary. The biggest killers are legal – tobacco, alcohol and prescription painkillers. But regulation and education have slashed tobacco consumption.

Again, we stress our concern is harm minimisation. Prohibition has not worked. Our lawmakers know it, and admit it privately. Should they fail to countenance change publicly, they will merely be putting their own misguided self-interest above the public interest. That is a cruel betrayal.



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I don't know if we should change our policies, but its time for a comprehensive review at least.
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Reply #2 - Dec 1st, 2016 at 9:29am
 
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 1st, 2016 at 9:28am:
I don't know if we should change our policies, but its time for a comprehensive review at least.



Drug use and addiction should be treated as a health issue, not a legal one.
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mothra wrote on Dec 1st, 2016 at 9:29am:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 1st, 2016 at 9:28am:
I don't know if we should change our policies, but its time for a comprehensive review at least.



Drug use and addiction should be treated as a health issue, not a legal one.



I'm not suggesting otherwise, just saying that changing policies will only work if we pick the right policies. Hence why we need the review.
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mothra wrote on Dec 1st, 2016 at 9:25am:
The 'war on drugs' has failed, and Australia must change its policies

NOVEMBER 29 2016


The Greens' policy change came only days after a call by world leaders for the decriminalisation of illicit drugs. In its annual report, the Global Commission on Drug Policy advocated the dumping of civil and criminal penalties for drug use and possession, and stated prohibition has had "little or no impact"



Nice to see the Greens copying the Liberal Democrats policy on drugs.

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14 Years After Decriminalizing All Drugs, Here's What Portugal Looks Like


In 2001, the Portuguese government did something that the United States would find entirely alien. After many years of waging a fierce war on drugs, it decided to flip its strategy entirely: It decriminalized them all.

If someone is found in the possession of less than a 10-day supply of anything from marijuana to heroin, he or she is sent to a three-person Commission for the Dissuasion of Drug Addiction, typically made up of a lawyer, a doctor and a social worker. The commission recommends treatment or a minor fine; otherwise, the person is sent off without any penalty. A vast majority of the time, there is no penalty.

Fourteen years after decriminalization, Portugal has not been run into the ground by a nation of drug addicts. In fact, by many measures, it's doing far better than it was before.

The background: In 1974, the dictatorship that had isolated Portugal from the rest of the world for nearly half a century came to an end. The Carnation Revolution was a bloodless military-led coup that sparked a tumultuous transition from authoritarianism to democracy and a society-wide struggle to define a new Portuguese nation.

The newfound freedom led to a raucous attitude of experimentalism toward politics and economy and, as it turned out, hard drugs.

Portugal's dictatorship had insulated it from the drug culture that had swept much of the Western world earlier in the 20th century, but the coup changed everything. After the revolution, Portugal gave up its colonies, and colonists and soldiers returned to the country with a variety of drugs. Borders opened up and travel and exchange were made far easier. Located on the westernmost tip of the continent, the country was a natural gateway for trafficking across the continent. Drug use became part of the culture of liberation, and the use of hard narcotics became popular. Eventually, it got out of hand, and drug use became a crisis.

At first, the government responded to it as the United States is all too familiar with: a conservative cultural backlash that vilified drug use and a harsh, punitive set of policies led by the criminal justice system. Throughout the 1980s, Portugal tried this approach, but to no avail: By 1999, nearly 1% of the population was addicted to heroin, and drug-related AIDS deaths in the country were the highest in the European Union, according to the New Yorker.

But by 2001, the country decided to decriminalize possession and use of drugs, and the results have been remarkable.

What's gotten better? In terms of usage rate and health, the data show that Portugal has by no means plunged into a drug crisis.

As this chart from Transform Drug Policy Foundation shows, the proportion of the population that reports having used drugs at some point saw an initial increase after decriminalization, but then a decline:

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(Lifetime prevalence means the percentage of people who report having used a drug at some point in their life, past-year prevalence indicates having used within the last year, and past-month prevalence means those who've used within the last month. Generally speaking, the shorter the time frame, the more reliable the measure.)

Drug use has declined overall among the 15- to 24-year-old population, those most at risk of initiating drug use, according to Transform.

There has also been a decline in the percentage of the population who have ever used a drug and then continue to do so:


HIV infection rates among injecting drug users have been reduced at a steady pace, and has become a more manageable problem in the context of other countries with high rates, as can be seen in this chart from a 2014 report by the European Monitoring Center for Drugs and Drug Addiction Policy:

And a widely cited study published in 2010 in the British Journal of Criminology found that after decriminalization, Portugal saw a decrease in imprisonment on drug-related charges alongside a surge in visits to health clinics that deal with addiction and disease.

Not a cure but certainly not a disaster: Many advocates for decriminalizing or legalizing illicit drugs around the world have gloried in Portugal's success. They point to its effectiveness as an unambiguous sign that decriminalization works.

But some social scientists have cautioned against attributing all the numbers to decriminalization itself, as there are other factors at play in the national decrease in overdoses, disease and usage.

At the turn of the millennium, Portugal shifted drug control from the Justice Department to the Ministry of Health and instituted a robust public health model for treating hard drug addiction. It also expanded the welfare system in the form of a guaranteed minimum income. Changes in the material and health resources for at-risk populations for the past decade are a major factor in evaluating the evolution of Portugal's drug situation.

Alex Stevens, a professor of criminal justice at the University of Kent and co-author of the aforementioned criminology article, thinks the global community should be measured in its takeaways from Portugal. 

"The main lesson to learn decriminalizing drugs doesn't necessarily lead to disaster, and it does free up resources for more effective responses to drug-related problems,"  Stevens told Mic.

The road ahead: As Portugal faces a precarious financial situation, there are risks that the country could divest from its health services that are so vital in keeping the addicted community as healthy as possible and more likely to re-enter sobriety.

That would be a shame for a country that has illustrated so effectively that treating drug addiction as a moral problem — rather than a health problem — is a dead end.

In a 2011 New Yorker article discussing how Portugal has fared since decriminalizing, the author spoke with a doctor who discussed the vans that patrol cities with chemical alternatives to the hard drugs that addicts are trying to wean themselves off of. The doctor reflected on the spectacle of people lining up at the van, still slaves of addiction, but defended the act: "Perhaps it is a national failing, but I prefer moderate hope and some likelihood of success to the dream of perfection and the promise of failure."


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Reply #7 - Dec 1st, 2016 at 10:55am
 
mothra wrote on Dec 1st, 2016 at 9:29am:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 1st, 2016 at 9:28am:
I don't know if we should change our policies, but its time for a comprehensive review at least.



Drug use and addiction should be treated as a health issue, not a legal one.


Why, are you growing your own? Maybe have a fully producing meth lab?

They are the only reasons one would say it should "not be a legal one" (issue) ........or are you just a fool? Roll Eyes
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Reply #8 - Dec 1st, 2016 at 10:56am
 
Fuzzball wrote on Dec 1st, 2016 at 10:55am:
mothra wrote on Dec 1st, 2016 at 9:29am:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 1st, 2016 at 9:28am:
I don't know if we should change our policies, but its time for a comprehensive review at least.



Drug use and addiction should be treated as a health issue, not a legal one.


Why, are you growing your own? Maybe have a fully producing meth lab?

They are the only reasons one would say it should "not a legal one" (issue) ........or are you just a fool? Roll Eyes



I think the point is that if I smoke 1 joint a week at home in my own company. How is this a danger to society?
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mothra wrote on Dec 1st, 2016 at 9:29am:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 1st, 2016 at 9:28am:
I don't know if we should change our policies, but its time for a comprehensive review at least.



Drug use and addiction should be treated as a health issue, not a legal one.



Yes, absolutely.

Countless experts agree.

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The 'point' is its illegal for a reason.........so that people don't become addicts.
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Fuzzball wrote on Dec 1st, 2016 at 10:55am:
mothra wrote on Dec 1st, 2016 at 9:29am:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 1st, 2016 at 9:28am:
I don't know if we should change our policies, but its time for a comprehensive review at least.



Drug use and addiction should be treated as a health issue, not a legal one.


Why, are you growing your own? Maybe have a fully producing meth lab?

They are the only reasons one would say it should "not be a legal one" (issue) ........or are you just a fool? Roll Eyes



Not really all over this issue, are you.
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Fuzzball wrote on Dec 1st, 2016 at 10:57am:
The 'point' is its illegal for a reason.........so that people don't become addicts.




There are 2 problems with this line of thinking.

1. Just because you use a drug doesn't mean you will become an addict
2. We have countless legal activites in which addiction occurs and yet they remain legal.
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mothra wrote on Dec 1st, 2016 at 10:58am:
Not really all over this issue, are you.


Not really too bright are you.......
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Fuzzball wrote on Dec 1st, 2016 at 10:57am:
The 'point' is its illegal for a reason.........so that people don't become addicts.



Yeah that's working well, isn't it? Roll Eyes
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Fuzzball wrote on Dec 1st, 2016 at 11:00am:
mothra wrote on Dec 1st, 2016 at 10:58am:
Not really all over this issue, are you.


Not really too bright are you.......



I have shoes that are brighter than you.
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Over usage of drugs signifies a deeper issue: humans can't handle too much reality. So what are people escaping from?
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Fuzzball wrote on Dec 1st, 2016 at 10:57am:
The 'point' is its illegal for a reason.........so that people don't become addicts.


Wow!

I'm speechless.

I don't believe that level of ignorance has ever been demonstrated in this forum before.

Seriously, wow!

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If someone needs drugs to cope with this world, it is obvious that they have a serious problem.

This world takes no prisoners, it is harsh and unforgiving, dog eat dog in a rat race of disgusting people.

You insulate yourself from it and them with the love of family and friends, with the life you lead and with what you do and who you are.

Only those who have no friends, who have no family, who have no life because of their own poor choices or toxic personality have a problem coping with this world.

Perhaps drugs are not the only answer.

Perhaps if these people got a life, gave instead of taking, loved instead of using people, dedicated themselves to something more important than themselves, they could learn that in this way life and this world cant hurt them.

Just like trolls cannot hurt people who are secure and strong, the world has no power over the strong and giving personality.
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Valkie wrote on Dec 1st, 2016 at 11:31am:
If someone needs drugs to cope with this world, it is obvious that they have a serious problem.

This world takes no prisoners, it is harsh and unforgiving, dog eat dog in a rat race of disgusting people.

You insulate yourself from it and them with the love of family and friends, with the life you lead and with what you do and who you are.

Only those who have no friends, who have no family, who have no life because of their own poor choices or toxic personality have a problem coping with this world.

Perhaps drugs are not the only answer.

Perhaps if these people got a life, gave instead of taking, loved instead of using people, dedicated themselves to something more important than themselves, they could learn that in this way life and this world cant hurt them.

Just like trolls cannot hurt people who are secure and strong, the world has no power over the strong and giving personality.




No family and friends due to their own poor choices?

Spoken like someone with no actual idea at all.
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What we resist , persists.

Drugs are really about "lower consciousness".

people in a durrrr state might use drugs to try to wake themselves up
people in pain might use drugs to try to numb themselves down.

both of these are "the easy way and the wrong way to try to solve a problem".

Because they are easy, that is the path the masses will follow. So we can expect drugs (and alcohol and sugary foods and caffiene and durrr state tv to be very popular with the masses).

The right way to deal with busting out of a durrr state is not to do ice but to read and get inspired, get a passion and become engaged.  But thats harder and most people wont do it.
The right way to deal with pain, is to accept it fully and learn from it and go into growth. But thats the hard way and most people wont do it.

This is why there is a narrow road to success and a highway to failure. because humans are lazy and want the easy fix.  if you do drugs, you are on the highway to failure. its pretty congested, you are sharing the highway with the fatties, the game addicts, the tv addicts, the negative neurotics, the alcoholics, the welfare whingebags and the durrrr state angry leftards with pitchforks.

you really should exit and get inspired,  become passionate and positive....but few people will.
Failure is the default . Mediocrity is the norm
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greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 1st, 2016 at 11:18am:
Fuzzball wrote on Dec 1st, 2016 at 10:57am:
The 'point' is its illegal for a reason.........so that people don't become addicts.


Wow!


I don't believe that level of ignorance has ever been demonstrated in this forum before.



It's contagious.

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mothra wrote on Dec 1st, 2016 at 11:35am:
Valkie wrote on Dec 1st, 2016 at 11:31am:
If someone needs drugs to cope with this world, it is obvious that they have a serious problem.

This world takes no prisoners, it is harsh and unforgiving, dog eat dog in a rat race of disgusting people.

You insulate yourself from it and them with the love of family and friends, with the life you lead and with what you do and who you are.

Only those who have no friends, who have no family, who have no life because of their own poor choices or toxic personality have a problem coping with this world.

Perhaps drugs are not the only answer.

Perhaps if these people got a life, gave instead of taking, loved instead of using people, dedicated themselves to something more important than themselves, they could learn that in this way life and this world cant hurt them.

Just like trolls cannot hurt people who are secure and strong, the world has no power over the strong and giving personality.




No family and friends due to their own poor choices?

Spoken like someone with no actual idea at all.


It is obvious that it is you who has no Idea.

Friends and families don't just happen, and being a total idiot can only be tolerated for just so long before friends and families alike can take no more.
I have seen the result of these toxic people and how they have tried to destroy families and friends.
Those with the strength, just rid themselves of these toxic personalities.
Those without fall into the spiral downward into destruction.
This is what I mean by poor choices.

Sure stick by people when they are in trouble, that much is true, and the sign of a true friend.
But how many times must one bail a friend out, give them help, time and money before it is too much?

Drugs, like suicide is the cowards way out.
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Valkie wrote on Dec 1st, 2016 at 11:54am:
mothra wrote on Dec 1st, 2016 at 11:35am:
Valkie wrote on Dec 1st, 2016 at 11:31am:
If someone needs drugs to cope with this world, it is obvious that they have a serious problem.

This world takes no prisoners, it is harsh and unforgiving, dog eat dog in a rat race of disgusting people.

You insulate yourself from it and them with the love of family and friends, with the life you lead and with what you do and who you are.

Only those who have no friends, who have no family, who have no life because of their own poor choices or toxic personality have a problem coping with this world.

Perhaps drugs are not the only answer.

Perhaps if these people got a life, gave instead of taking, loved instead of using people, dedicated themselves to something more important than themselves, they could learn that in this way life and this world cant hurt them.

Just like trolls cannot hurt people who are secure and strong, the world has no power over the strong and giving personality.




No family and friends due to their own poor choices?

Spoken like someone with no actual idea at all.


It is obvious that it is you who has no Idea.

Friends and families don't just happen, and being a total idiot can only be tolerated for just so long before friends and families alike can take no more.
I have seen the result of these toxic people and how they have tried to destroy families and friends.
Those with the strength, just rid themselves of these toxic personalities.
Those without fall into the spiral downward into destruction.
This is what I mean by poor choices.

Sure stick by people when they are in trouble, that much is true, and the sign of a true friend.
But how many times must one bail a friend out, give them help, time and money before it is too much?

Drugs, like suicide is the cowards way out.


very good post Valkie.
we "construct" for ourselves an "ecosystem of positive emotions"
Think of yourself as an awesome nightclub, full of positive emotions.
Only let in people who are going to amp this awesome vibe.
You need strong personal boundaries ( a strong bouncer).
Anything that is affecting the awesome vibe , toss it out.
That includes anyone who is negative , complaining or refusing to contribute. It also includes your OWN NEGATIVE THOUGHTS. these are ejected .
Any good people, good food, good experiences, good books, good mentors, positive people are to be pursued and welcomed into your own personal ecosystem.
You have to "build this structure"
It wont build itself.
Drugs are just for lazy people who wont do the hard work of building an awesome life full of passion, positivity and tons of good emotions.
They are the easy way (and the wrong way) to feel good
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Reply #24 - Dec 1st, 2016 at 12:04pm
 
Valkie wrote on Dec 1st, 2016 at 11:54am:
mothra wrote on Dec 1st, 2016 at 11:35am:
Valkie wrote on Dec 1st, 2016 at 11:31am:
If someone needs drugs to cope with this world, it is obvious that they have a serious problem.

This world takes no prisoners, it is harsh and unforgiving, dog eat dog in a rat race of disgusting people.

You insulate yourself from it and them with the love of family and friends, with the life you lead and with what you do and who you are.

Only those who have no friends, who have no family, who have no life because of their own poor choices or toxic personality have a problem coping with this world.

Perhaps drugs are not the only answer.

Perhaps if these people got a life, gave instead of taking, loved instead of using people, dedicated themselves to something more important than themselves, they could learn that in this way life and this world cant hurt them.

Just like trolls cannot hurt people who are secure and strong, the world has no power over the strong and giving personality.




No family and friends due to their own poor choices?

Spoken like someone with no actual idea at all.


It is obvious that it is you who has no Idea.

Friends and families don't just happen, and being a total idiot can only be tolerated for just so long before friends and families alike can take no more.
I have seen the result of these toxic people and how they have tried to destroy families and friends.
Those with the strength, just rid themselves of these toxic personalities.
Those without fall into the spiral downward into destruction.
This is what I mean by poor choices.

Sure stick by people when they are in trouble, that much is true, and the sign of a true friend.
But how many times must one bail a friend out, give them help, time and money before it is too much?

Drugs, like suicide is the cowards way out.




Yes of course. Because everybody has the same experiences and opportunities. Roll Eyes
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Reply #25 - Dec 1st, 2016 at 12:09pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Dec 1st, 2016 at 12:02pm:
Valkie wrote on Dec 1st, 2016 at 11:54am:
mothra wrote on Dec 1st, 2016 at 11:35am:
Valkie wrote on Dec 1st, 2016 at 11:31am:
If someone needs drugs to cope with this world, it is obvious that they have a serious problem.

This world takes no prisoners, it is harsh and unforgiving, dog eat dog in a rat race of disgusting people.

You insulate yourself from it and them with the love of family and friends, with the life you lead and with what you do and who you are.

Only those who have no friends, who have no family, who have no life because of their own poor choices or toxic personality have a problem coping with this world.

Perhaps drugs are not the only answer.

Perhaps if these people got a life, gave instead of taking, loved instead of using people, dedicated themselves to something more important than themselves, they could learn that in this way life and this world cant hurt them.

Just like trolls cannot hurt people who are secure and strong, the world has no power over the strong and giving personality.




No family and friends due to their own poor choices?

Spoken like someone with no actual idea at all.


It is obvious that it is you who has no Idea.

Friends and families don't just happen, and being a total idiot can only be tolerated for just so long before friends and families alike can take no more.
I have seen the result of these toxic people and how they have tried to destroy families and friends.
Those with the strength, just rid themselves of these toxic personalities.
Those without fall into the spiral downward into destruction.
This is what I mean by poor choices.

Sure stick by people when they are in trouble, that much is true, and the sign of a true friend.
But how many times must one bail a friend out, give them help, time and money before it is too much?

Drugs, like suicide is the cowards way out.


very good post Valkie.
we "construct" for ourselves an "ecosystem of positive emotions"
Think of yourself as an awesome nightclub, full of positive emotions.
Only let in people who are going to amp this awesome vibe.
You need strong personal boundaries ( a strong bouncer).
Anything that is affecting the awesome vibe , toss it out.
That includes anyone who is negative , complaining or refusing to contribute. It also includes your OWN NEGATIVE THOUGHTS. these are ejected .
Any good people, good food, good experiences, good books, good mentors, positive people are to be pursued and welcomed into your own personal ecosystem.
You have to "build this structure"
It wont build itself.
Drugs are just for lazy people who wont do the hard work of building an awesome life full of passion, positivity and tons of good emotions.
They are the easy way (and the wrong way) to feel good


I love word jumbles.
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Should we ignore importation of syntactically manufactured drugs that cause unknown and bizarre effects?
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Reply #27 - Dec 1st, 2016 at 12:16pm
 
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Should we ignore importation of syntactically manufactured drugs that cause unknown and bizarre effects?



You mean manufactured through word?
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Reply #28 - Dec 1st, 2016 at 12:18pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Dec 1st, 2016 at 12:02pm:
Drugs Self-help books are just for lazy people who wont do the hard work of building an awesome life full of passion, positivity and tons of good emotions.
They are the easy way (and the wrong way) to feel good


I made a little change.


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Reply #29 - Dec 1st, 2016 at 12:20pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Dec 1st, 2016 at 12:02pm:
Valkie wrote on Dec 1st, 2016 at 11:54am:
mothra wrote on Dec 1st, 2016 at 11:35am:
Valkie wrote on Dec 1st, 2016 at 11:31am:
If someone needs drugs to cope with this world, it is obvious that they have a serious problem.

This world takes no prisoners, it is harsh and unforgiving, dog eat dog in a rat race of disgusting people.

You insulate yourself from it and them with the love of family and friends, with the life you lead and with what you do and who you are.

Only those who have no friends, who have no family, who have no life because of their own poor choices or toxic personality have a problem coping with this world.

Perhaps drugs are not the only answer.

Perhaps if these people got a life, gave instead of taking, loved instead of using people, dedicated themselves to something more important than themselves, they could learn that in this way life and this world cant hurt them.

Just like trolls cannot hurt people who are secure and strong, the world has no power over the strong and giving personality.




No family and friends due to their own poor choices?

Spoken like someone with no actual idea at all.


It is obvious that it is you who has no Idea.

Friends and families don't just happen, and being a total idiot can only be tolerated for just so long before friends and families alike can take no more.
I have seen the result of these toxic people and how they have tried to destroy families and friends.
Those with the strength, just rid themselves of these toxic personalities.
Those without fall into the spiral downward into destruction.
This is what I mean by poor choices.

Sure stick by people when they are in trouble, that much is true, and the sign of a true friend.
But how many times must one bail a friend out, give them help, time and money before it is too much?

Drugs, like suicide is the cowards way out.


very good post Valkie.
we "construct" for ourselves an "ecosystem of positive emotions"
Think of yourself as an awesome nightclub, full of positive emotions.
Only let in people who are going to amp this awesome vibe.
You need strong personal boundaries ( a strong bouncer).
Anything that is affecting the awesome vibe , toss it out.
That includes anyone who is negative , complaining or refusing to contribute. It also includes your OWN NEGATIVE THOUGHTS. these are ejected .
Any good people, good food, good experiences, good books, good mentors, positive people are to be pursued and welcomed into your own personal ecosystem.
You have to "build this structure"
It wont build itself.
Drugs are just for lazy people who wont do the hard work of building an awesome life full of passion, positivity and tons of good emotions.
They are the easy way (and the wrong way) to feel good



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Reply #30 - Dec 1st, 2016 at 12:24pm
 
No it hasn't.

Its a successful combination of capitalism and deregulation. Some people are making a lot of money.

The only failure is that the government has not determined how to tax the proceeds of the drug business without becoming an accomplice in crime.
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Reply #31 - Dec 1st, 2016 at 12:32pm
 
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 1st, 2016 at 12:09pm:
aquascoot wrote on Dec 1st, 2016 at 12:02pm:
Valkie wrote on Dec 1st, 2016 at 11:54am:
mothra wrote on Dec 1st, 2016 at 11:35am:
Valkie wrote on Dec 1st, 2016 at 11:31am:
If someone needs drugs to cope with this world, it is obvious that they have a serious problem.

This world takes no prisoners, it is harsh and unforgiving, dog eat dog in a rat race of disgusting people.

You insulate yourself from it and them with the love of family and friends, with the life you lead and with what you do and who you are.

Only those who have no friends, who have no family, who have no life because of their own poor choices or toxic personality have a problem coping with this world.

Perhaps drugs are not the only answer.

Perhaps if these people got a life, gave instead of taking, loved instead of using people, dedicated themselves to something more important than themselves, they could learn that in this way life and this world cant hurt them.

Just like trolls cannot hurt people who are secure and strong, the world has no power over the strong and giving personality.




No family and friends due to their own poor choices?

Spoken like someone with no actual idea at all.


It is obvious that it is you who has no Idea.

Friends and families don't just happen, and being a total idiot can only be tolerated for just so long before friends and families alike can take no more.
I have seen the result of these toxic people and how they have tried to destroy families and friends.
Those with the strength, just rid themselves of these toxic personalities.
Those without fall into the spiral downward into destruction.
This is what I mean by poor choices.

Sure stick by people when they are in trouble, that much is true, and the sign of a true friend.
But how many times must one bail a friend out, give them help, time and money before it is too much?

Drugs, like suicide is the cowards way out.


very good post Valkie.
we "construct" for ourselves an "ecosystem of positive emotions"
Think of yourself as an awesome nightclub, full of positive emotions.
Only let in people who are going to amp this awesome vibe.
You need strong personal boundaries ( a strong bouncer).
Anything that is affecting the awesome vibe , toss it out.
That includes anyone who is negative , complaining or refusing to contribute. It also includes your OWN NEGATIVE THOUGHTS. these are ejected .
Any good people, good food, good experiences, good books, good mentors, positive people are to be pursued and welcomed into your own personal ecosystem.
You have to "build this structure"
It wont build itself.
Drugs are just for lazy people who wont do the hard work of building an awesome life full of passion, positivity and tons of good emotions.
They are the easy way (and the wrong way) to feel good


I love word jumbles.


no you dont.

you, mothra and greg like tiny little hits of stimulation.
you like a little funny GIF or picture . Just a little hit of dopamine to stimulate you , like a rat pulling a lever to get a little treat.

you, greg and mothra hate self help because if you were to accept it, you would have to do some of this 'hard work" i'm talking about and you dont want to do that.

You are all stuck in lower consciousness and mediocrity.

Now if i could just have another horse poo meme posted by one of you 3 so the other 2 can get their little dopamine hit to "stimulate" their reptilian brain  Wink
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Depends on the dopamine. It can also be an inhibitory neurotransmitter. You're one of these classic pseudo people aqua. Playing around the edges of science, reason, psychology but never quite hitting the mark.
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Reply #33 - Dec 1st, 2016 at 12:38pm
 
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Depends on the dopamine. It can also be an inhibitory neurotransmitter. You're one of these classic pseudo people aqua. Playing around the edges of science, reason, psychology but never quite hitting the mark.




You think he makes it to the edges?

Generous.
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Reply #34 - Dec 1st, 2016 at 12:38pm
 
mothra wrote on Dec 1st, 2016 at 12:38pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 1st, 2016 at 12:36pm:
Depends on the dopamine. It can also be an inhibitory neurotransmitter. You're one of these classic pseudo people aqua. Playing around the edges of science, reason, psychology but never quite hitting the mark.




You think he makes it to the edges?

Generous.




Yes, they have to to make it sound realistic.
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Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 1st, 2016 at 12:36pm:
Depends on the dopamine. It can also be an inhibitory neurotransmitter. You're one of these classic pseudo people aqua. Playing around the edges of science, reason, psychology but never quite hitting the mark.



its all good.
its all just reference experiences.
i dont mind what people do as long as they "take action" and then "self reflect on the results of their action".
i have found that "building structures", cutting the negative people , eating green veges, lifting weights , reading good stuff has resulted in a good structure.

ozpolitic can be a source of "reference experiences"
try little experiments
see how various people react
analyse
reframe
continue.

this is why i dont really durrrrp around on facebook or play video games or watch tabloid tv.....there is no learning there. its all just trying to stimulate yourself out of the durrrp. its all just clickbait for lower consciousness.
its why i encourage people to try to go deep on sh*t.
dont just turn this site into another clickbait crap experience of funny memes and dumb GIF"s.
if greg thinks the 100th picture of a horse pooing is "inspirational" to me, i assure him its not. Its no better then a 10 yo posting a kitten pic on facebook. its lower consciousness, its the mass media, its groupthink.

Now heres a good clip

i vibe with the line at 2:28


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And motivational videos aren't clickbait?
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Reply #37 - Dec 1st, 2016 at 3:44pm
 
mothra wrote on Dec 1st, 2016 at 12:04pm:
Valkie wrote on Dec 1st, 2016 at 11:54am:
mothra wrote on Dec 1st, 2016 at 11:35am:
Valkie wrote on Dec 1st, 2016 at 11:31am:
If someone needs drugs to cope with this world, it is obvious that they have a serious problem.

This world takes no prisoners, it is harsh and unforgiving, dog eat dog in a rat race of disgusting people.

You insulate yourself from it and them with the love of family and friends, with the life you lead and with what you do and who you are.

Only those who have no friends, who have no family, who have no life because of their own poor choices or toxic personality have a problem coping with this world.

Perhaps drugs are not the only answer.

Perhaps if these people got a life, gave instead of taking, loved instead of using people, dedicated themselves to something more important than themselves, they could learn that in this way life and this world cant hurt them.

Just like trolls cannot hurt people who are secure and strong, the world has no power over the strong and giving personality.




No family and friends due to their own poor choices?

Spoken like someone with no actual idea at all.


It is obvious that it is you who has no Idea.

Friends and families don't just happen, and being a total idiot can only be tolerated for just so long before friends and families alike can take no more.
I have seen the result of these toxic people and how they have tried to destroy families and friends.
Those with the strength, just rid themselves of these toxic personalities.
Those without fall into the spiral downward into destruction.
This is what I mean by poor choices.

Sure stick by people when they are in trouble, that much is true, and the sign of a true friend.
But how many times must one bail a friend out, give them help, time and money before it is too much?

Drugs, like suicide is the cowards way out.




Yes of course. Because everybody has the same experiences and opportunities. Roll Eyes


No they don't, and that is why some make it and some don't.

Surely you have heard of people who have literally been through hell, getting up and succeeding at life.
Likewise the wealthy and seemingly secure people with so much fail and fall into self destruction.

The difference, the individual.
You can spend all day arguing nurture vs nature, as has been done to death.
But to succeed you only need to persist, the level of persistence dictates the level of success.

My parents were so poor it was not funny.
But they were happy with what they had, because they had friends and family.

But a wealthy man I know has it all, buys new cars every year and travels the world.
But he cannot be with people, he is toxic and hates life, he has no friends, his family have deserted him and he has deserted them.
He works all the time because he has nothing better to do.
And when he is not working he hides in the bottle.
He hates this time of the year and has refused my invitation to a Xmas gathering twice, there will not be a third time.

opportunity knocks, sometimes several times, but you have to answer the door.
And some are still waiting for opportunity to break down the door, which it wont.
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Reply #38 - Dec 1st, 2016 at 7:05pm
 
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And motivational videos aren't clickbait?


Hell no,
clickbait is all lower consciousness stuff.
its designed to get the masses who are stuck in the durrrr state to click.
it has to be something that vibes with lower consciousness...

celebrity bloopers
tattoo spelling mistake fails
tits and a*ss
death of some celebrity
something to get fake moral outrage going so the masses can attach their "unfocused discontent "

the biggest shared story on social media was a story about some disabled kid who got chucked out of Mcdonalds for making the other diners feel uncomfortable. a million shares. and the story was totally made up to get people clicking on the "bait".
and the bait is 'outrage"

thats what lower consciousness masses click on dude. thats the emotion they vibe with. and dont the lefties just love to be outraged (which proves they are a in lower consciousness) Wink Wink

a positive story, a motivational video would NEVER attract the masses. the durrrr state "mob" hate and despise it. (just look at most posters here).

could you imagine the news leading with a positive motivational story to suck people in?
no my friend, its all doom, gloom, murder, rape, fires, death and celebrities going "crazy".

aint no one using positive stuff to grab the attention of the masses.


thats why there isnt much traffic on the narrow road to success  Wink
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Reply #39 - Dec 1st, 2016 at 7:43pm
 
Tou aree watching stuff on youtube its all click bait
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Drug use and addiction should be treated as a health issue, not a legal one.


Wrong.

90% of prisoners are in jail because they robbed and burgled decent people to pay for their addictions, and 90% of addicts began using drugs NOT because they needed to self-medicate, but simply because they were bored or wanted to have a thrill.

The 'War on Drugs' has failed because it has always been run by touchy-feely liberal-progressives whose moral sensitivities cannot countenance the idea of anyone being punished in the sort of way that would reduce the illegal hard drugs industry to a 10th of what it is today.

Duterte of the Philippines said enough is enough with the girly approach of former governments in dealing with the thousands of bastards who were pushing addictive drugs onto the population.

****

Rodrigo Duterte says activists are the reason drug-user numbers swell.


Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte threatened to kill human-rights activists who obstruct his bloody drug war during a speech at the presidential palace Monday.

Duterte gave a stark warning to those who accuse him of extrajudicial killings, the Philippine Daily Inquirer reports. He said human-rights defenders would be responsible if the numbers of drug users increased.

“The human-rights [defenders] said I ordered the killings. I told them, ‘O.K. Let’s stop. We’ll let them [drug users] multiply so that when it’s harvest time, more people will die,’” the President said.

“I will include you because you are the reason why their numbers swell,” he added, referring to human-rights activists.

While saber rattling has been a perennial feature of Duterte’s presidency — he has directed profanity ridden tirades at various world leaders, which are often dialed back by members of his Cabinet — his drug war has killed at least 5,000 people since July 1, many of them at the hands of shadowy vigilante groups.

Although he continues to deny ordering extrajudicial killings, in a separate speech on Saturday, Duterte addressed drug users, saying: “If you go out, you sons of b-tches, I will kill you if I see you outside.”

Amid his latest slew of threats, the Inquirer reports that the President brandished a stack of documents he said contained a “validated list” of some 5,000 public officials with alleged links to the drug trade.

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mothra wrote on Dec 1st, 2016 at 11:03am:
Fuzzball wrote on Dec 1st, 2016 at 11:00am:
mothra wrote on Dec 1st, 2016 at 10:58am:
Not really all over this issue, are you.


Not really too bright are you.......



I have shoes that are brighter than you.


Imelda Marcos, eat ya heart out ......
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Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 1st, 2016 at 8:07pm:
mothra wrote on Dec 1st, 2016 at 9:29am:
Drug use and addiction should be treated as a health issue, not a legal one.


Wrong.

90% of prisoners are in jail because they robbed and burgled decent people to pay for their addictions, and 90% of addicts began using drugs NOT because they needed to self-medicate, but simply because they were bored or wanted to have a thrill.

The 'War on Drugs' has failed because it has always been run by touchy-feely liberal-progressives whose moral sensitivities cannot countenance the idea of anyone being punished in the sort of way that would reduce the illegal hard drugs industry to a 10th of what it is today.

Duterte of the Philippines said enough is enough with the girly approach of former governments in dealing with the thousands of bastards who were pushing addictive drugs onto the population.

****

Rodrigo Duterte says activists are the reason drug-user numbers swell.


Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte threatened to kill human-rights activists who obstruct his bloody drug war during a speech at the presidential palace Monday.

Duterte gave a stark warning to those who accuse him of extrajudicial killings, the Philippine Daily Inquirer reports. He said human-rights defenders would be responsible if the numbers of drug users increased.

“The human-rights [defenders] said I ordered the killings. I told them, ‘O.K. Let’s stop. We’ll let them [drug users] multiply so that when it’s harvest time, more people will die,’” the President said.

“I will include you because you are the reason why their numbers swell,” he added, referring to human-rights activists.

While saber rattling has been a perennial feature of Duterte’s presidency — he has directed profanity ridden tirades at various world leaders, which are often dialed back by members of his Cabinet — his drug war has killed at least 5,000 people since July 1, many of them at the hands of shadowy vigilante groups.

Although he continues to deny ordering extrajudicial killings, in a separate speech on Saturday, Duterte addressed drug users, saying: “If you go out, you sons of b-tches, I will kill you if I see you outside.”

Amid his latest slew of threats, the Inquirer reports that the President brandished a stack of documents he said contained a “validated list” of some 5,000 public officials with alleged links to the drug trade.

[Philippine Daily Inquirer]




I presume you have references for those stats
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Over usage of drugs signifies a deeper issue: humans can't handle too much reality. So what are people escaping from?


This is not an issue that they are on drugs simply because they want to escape the reality of life. It is more due to wanting to experience the effects of the drugs. Like, if we were to not feel drunk or a mild intoxication from drinking alcoholic drinks, would we really be drinking it?

The number of times I have come across drug-addled people is more than I think fair for someone of my demographic. The way they just don't care, or have any concern for who pays for their addiction. It is a wonder how society survives with them around.
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Reply #44 - Dec 2nd, 2016 at 4:57am
 
aquascoot wrote on Dec 1st, 2016 at 12:32pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 1st, 2016 at 12:09pm:


I love word jumbles.


no you dont.

you, mothra and greg like tiny little hits of stimulation.
you like a little funny GIF or picture . Just a little hit of dopamine to stimulate you , like a rat pulling a lever to get a little treat.

you, greg and mothra hate self help because if you were to accept it, you would have to do some of this 'hard work" i'm talking about and you dont want to do that.

You are all stuck in lower consciousness and mediocrity.

Now if i could just have another horse poo meme posted by one of you 3 so the other 2 can get their little dopamine hit to "stimulate" their reptilian brain  Wink




Absolutely correct.

John Smith is another one-liner exponent, and then 'miam miam' Karnal often likes to roll Jaffas down the aisles to distract from feeling threatened by what's up on the screen put there by bogarde and others not of his ideological liking.   
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Re: The 'war on drugs' has failed
Reply #45 - Dec 2nd, 2016 at 5:15am
 
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 1st, 2016 at 8:29pm:
I presume you have references for those stats


This is another childish ploy they like to use in order to slow the forward momentum of threads they feel they can play silly-buggers with.

And then these thread white-ants delude themselves that the rest of us believe them to be people of refined moral character who have scruples and social values way beyond us, whereas in fact they couldn't give a rat's arse about refugees or Muslims or anyone else except their own little 'trip-'em-up' game-playing with the posters who unlike themselves make substantive contributions to the board.

 
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Re: The 'war on drugs' has failed
Reply #46 - Dec 2nd, 2016 at 5:38am
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 2nd, 2016 at 4:57am:
aquascoot wrote on Dec 1st, 2016 at 12:32pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 1st, 2016 at 12:09pm:


I love word jumbles.


no you dont.

you, mothra and greg like tiny little hits of stimulation.
you like a little funny GIF or picture . Just a little hit of dopamine to stimulate you , like a rat pulling a lever to get a little treat.

you, greg and mothra hate self help because if you were to accept it, you would have to do some of this 'hard work" i'm talking about and you dont want to do that.

You are all stuck in lower consciousness and mediocrity.

Now if i could just have another horse poo meme posted by one of you 3 so the other 2 can get their little dopamine hit to "stimulate" their reptilian brain  Wink




Absolutely correct.

John Smith is another one-liner exponent, and then 'miam miam' Karnal often likes to roll Jaffas down the aisles to distract from feeling threatened by what's up on the screen put there by bogarde and others not of his ideological liking.   


Herbert,
Today, people are all about the talk and not about the action.
If you look at the internet and social media , people get "props" from each other, just by talking about "what they are going to do".
But the superior man is all about the action.

When you are a man of action....you surf, or ride, or bushwalk, or ski. or have sex...you get into a flow state and you get "process orientated".
This is the key , because you can now enjoy the process, just for doing the process itself.
You are able to get out of being "stuck in your head".

Many many leftards and lower consciousness people are "stuck in their heads".

They cannot be creative from this frame. They can only be reactive.

The creative person who has done the hard yards of "work" instead of "talk" is able to "contribute.
The person who has not done this can only "react".

You will very rarely see most of the people you listed put up a post for discussion. The creative side of their brain is stifled.
When they see a post of quality like one of yours or bogardes which are quite thoughtful, they have 2 options.
They can reflect on the fact that their brains dont work like that, that they have an inferior mind, and they can start the process of change or
they can try to maintain their frame by attacking you.

Change is hard work, people dont want to change.
If we look at Mr Smith or Greg , we see people who have not changed, not grown and not stretched themselves in 50,000 posts.

They are a warning to us all, that inertia is the norm, that change is difficult, that mediocrity is hard to break free from and that failure is the default
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Reply #47 - Dec 2nd, 2016 at 7:05am
 



My family has no drug addicts, I say the policies are working
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Re: The 'war on drugs' has failed
Reply #48 - Dec 2nd, 2016 at 8:50am
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 2nd, 2016 at 5:15am:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 1st, 2016 at 8:29pm:
I presume you have references for those stats


This is another childish ploy they like to use in order to slow the forward momentum of threads they feel they can play silly-buggers with.

And then these thread white-ants delude themselves that the rest of us believe them to be people of refined moral character who have scruples and social values way beyond us, whereas in fact they couldn't give a rat's arse about refugees or Muslims or anyone else except their own little 'trip-'em-up' game-playing with the posters who unlike themselves make substantive contributions to the board.

 



ASking for facts is slowing a thread down? What the hell is wrong with you. When you make a random statment like 90%  and 99%, I just want to see that that is true before deciding to agree and/or disagree with you.
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In a time of universal deceit — telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

No evidence whatsoever it can be attributed to George Orwell or Eric Arthur Blair (in fact the same guy)
 
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Reply #49 - Dec 2nd, 2016 at 9:06am
 
UnSubRocky wrote on Dec 1st, 2016 at 8:36pm:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Dec 1st, 2016 at 11:11am:
Over usage of drugs signifies a deeper issue: humans can't handle too much reality. So what are people escaping from?


This is not an issue that they are on drugs simply because they want to escape the reality of life. It is more due to wanting to experience the effects of the drugs. Like, if we were to not feel drunk or a mild intoxication from drinking alcoholic drinks, would we really be drinking it?

The number of times I have come across drug-addled people is more than I think fair for someone of my demographic. The way they just don't care, or have any concern for who pays for their addiction. It is a wonder how society survives with them around.



Yeah, I wasn't singling out those who experiment or use them for recreational use (although there is still the underlying issue of why they want to alter the mind).
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Reply #50 - Dec 2nd, 2016 at 9:21am
 
miketrees wrote on Dec 2nd, 2016 at 7:05am:
My family has no drug addicts, I say the policies are working


It's a case of Russian Roulette out there on the streets, and in the school playgrounds, and at the Rave concerts, and in your neighbourhood.

I agree with the death penalty for non-addicted suppliers.
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Reply #51 - Dec 2nd, 2016 at 9:34am
 
aquascoot wrote on Dec 2nd, 2016 at 5:38am:
Herbert,
Today, people are all about the talk and not about the action.
If you look at the internet and social media , people get "props" from each other, just by talking about "what they are going to do".
But the superior man is all about the action.

When you are a man of action....you surf, or ride, or bushwalk, or ski. or have sex...you get into a flow state and you get "process orientated".
This is the key , because you can now enjoy the process, just for doing the process itself.
You are able to get out of being "stuck in your head".

Many many leftards and lower consciousness people are "stuck in their heads".

They cannot be creative from this frame. They can only be reactive.

The creative person who has done the hard yards of "work" instead of "talk" is able to "contribute.
The person who has not done this can only "react".

You will very rarely see most of the people you listed put up a post for discussion. The creative side of their brain is stifled.
When they see a post of quality like one of yours or bogardes which are quite thoughtful, they have 2 options.
They can reflect on the fact that their brains dont work like that, that they have an inferior mind, and they can start the process of change or
they can try to maintain their frame by attacking you.

Change is hard work, people dont want to change.
If we look at Mr Smith or Greg , we see people who have not changed, not grown and not stretched themselves in 50,000 posts.

They are a warning to us all, that inertia is the norm, that change is difficult, that mediocrity is hard to break free from and that failure is the default


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Re: The 'war on drugs' has failed
Reply #52 - Dec 2nd, 2016 at 11:01am
 
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Dec 2nd, 2016 at 9:06am:
UnSubRocky wrote on Dec 1st, 2016 at 8:36pm:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Dec 1st, 2016 at 11:11am:
Over usage of drugs signifies a deeper issue: humans can't handle too much reality. So what are people escaping from?


This is not an issue that they are on drugs simply because they want to escape the reality of life. It is more due to wanting to experience the effects of the drugs. Like, if we were to not feel drunk or a mild intoxication from drinking alcoholic drinks, would we really be drinking it?

The number of times I have come across drug-addled people is more than I think fair for someone of my demographic. The way they just don't care, or have any concern for who pays for their addiction. It is a wonder how society survives with them around.



Yeah, I wasn't singling out those who experiment or use them for recreational use (although there is still the underlying issue of why they want to alter the mind).



Do you drink alcohol CW?
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No evidence whatsoever it can be attributed to George Orwell or Eric Arthur Blair (in fact the same guy)
 
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