"The report warns that society is forgetting "that its many freedoms derive from centuries of applying the Bible to public life".

That's a bare-faced lie and should not go unchallenged.

It was the church that resisted all attempts to modernise society and to liberate it from the shackles of religious dictatorship.

All our current freedoms were hard-fought against a church that had a vested interest in keeping people ignorant, afraid, and bonded to religious dogma.

link

Well I reckon the Bible is a big bucket of puss and shitt.

If this was a Muslim country and I said that about the Koran, would it be advisable to use a good proxy server?

Secret Wars wrote on Dec 1^st, 2016 at 5:21pm:



I don't remember anyone ever saying it couldn't be deadly.

Do you have a link, perhaps?

If not, it will naturally be assumed that you are nothing more than an ignorant, lying Islamophobe.

The choice is all yours.

Secret Wars wrote on Dec 1^st, 2016 at 5:21pm:


Maybe I'll email that Dr Philip Nitschke bloke, tell him to get his patients to chuck on a Mo t-shirt and go to Lakemba Mosque during Friday prayers. No nembutal required.

Raven wrote on Dec 1^st, 2016 at 5:04pm:



Raven,

You are mistaken.

Yes, that punishment [death, for being a covenant breaker] is in the O.T.

But that punishment applied to those who had willingly entered into a holy covenant,     with their God, the God who brought the ancient Israelite's out of Egypt.



Leviticus 18:24
Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out before you:
25  And the land is defiled: therefore I do visit the iniquity thereof upon it, and the land itself vomiteth out her inhabitants.
26  Ye shall therefore keep my statutes and my judgments, and shall not commit any of these abominations; neither any of your own nation, nor any stranger that sojourneth among you:
27  (For all these abominations have the men of the land done, which were before you, and the land is defiled;)
28  That the land spue not you out also, when ye defile it, as it spued out the nations that were before you.
29  For whosoever shall commit any of these abominations, even the souls that commit them shall be cut off from among their people.
30  Therefore shall ye keep mine ordinance, that ye commit not any one of these abominable customs, which were committed before you, and that ye defile not yourselves therein: I am the LORD your God.


Leviticus 20:24
...I am the LORD your God, which have separated you from other people.


Leviticus 20:26
And ye shall be holy unto me: for I the LORD am holy, and have severed you from other people, that ye should be mine.


Deuteronomy 7:6
For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.




Exodus 19:5
Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:
6  And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.
7  And Moses came and called for the elders of the people, and laid before their faces all these words which the LORD commanded him.





The ancient Hebrews were A COVENANT PEOPLE.

They had entered into a solemn covenant with their God.

[n.b.
There was nothing to stop any Hebrew from leaving his own people, if he/she did not want to live according to the covenant that his people had entered into, with God.

Any Hebrew could leave his people, and go and live 'in the world', among the Gentiles.

Thereby, becoming a Gentile !

But if the Hebrew person remained living among God's people, and blatantly and intentionally, broke the covenant with God [that he was constrained by], that Hebrew person understood, that he was risking LAWFUL execution, according to the terms of the covenant, with God.]




Raven,

If you had read your bible,          ....you would know that you are an ignorant, slandering, git.

You should say sorry.          ....to God, in your heart.




Psalms 1:1
Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.
2  But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 1^st, 2016 at 8:40am:


Well, to begin with, God Freaks have been saying similar things for a long time. What they have never been able to do is quantify this wonderful effect their beliefs have had. Two world wars have been fought by Christian nations without any compunction. So that kind of negates what Jesus may have said.
If you look at the way Muzlims treat each other, the same is true. They are massacring each other at every opportunity. So even if you think one of the Abrahmic religions is the correct interpretation of reality and the universe, the fact remains that when it comes to Peace on Earth, they are miserable failures.

That being said, anyone parachuting to earth will probably be better treated in Christian of Jewish territory, than in Muzlim.

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 1^st, 2016 at 8:40am:



Every challenge and improvement to the Church was made on religious grounds.

Human rights, equality before the law, universal human dignity - these are ideas rooted in the Bible and nowhere else. That the Church was not up on them for a long time is no refutation of the truth of the facts of the matter.

Aussie wrote on Dec 1^st, 2016 at 9:33pm:


We'll what does Raven know. He was raised in a cult. Every week on the day of the sun god Ra Raven had to kneel before an ancient device of torture and ritualistically consume symbolic flesh and blood.

The worst part was Saint Mary's Cathedral had no air con and it gets bloody hot in Darwin

The problem with cafeteria Christians is that they pick and choose which doctrine to follow.

There is no such thing as a Christian

Bible/Khoran- you name it - guidelines.. not fixed rules...

Treat everyone as you would want to be treated and you cannot go too wrong...

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2016 at 12:26am:


Sure, but if you find yourself up against the wall because others are not so kind as you, and they think that you are weak because you profess kindness, then what do you do?

You make an example of those bunnies, that's what you do.

They should respect and appreciate your kindness. If they don't, then to hell with them all.

Yadda wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2016 at 12:38am:


Yet your book deems this acceptable. Where is the morality in that?

According to the bible:

Eating pork (Leviticus 11:7)
Eating shellfish (Leviticus 11:9-12)
Homosexuality (Leviticus 18:22)
Wearing clothes of mixed fabrics (Leviticus 19:19)
Shaving (Leviticus 19:27)

Are all wrong and a sin. However:

Slavery (Exodus 21:7)
Rape (Deuteronomy 22:28-29)
Child abuse (Proverbs 22:15)
Child murder (2 Samuel 12:14)

Are all perfectly fine and natural.

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 1^st, 2016 at 8:40am:


It's kind of true. It was the Protestants that gave us classical liberalism - freedom from constraint, individualism - in short, negative freedom. Our modern conception of freedom is Protestantism stripped of all its religious affiliations. But yeah, the Protestants were fighting another religious group - the Catholics, so make of that what you want. 

Yadda wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2016 at 11:32am:


Perhaps David should have just raped her and paid Saul a few shekels.

Not really answering anything with that one Yadda./

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2016 at 11:53am:




Unlike yourself, i'm just an opinionated git.

/sarc off

Yadda wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2016 at 11:50am:


No you can't respond to that because you know your position is flawed.

Raven knows what morality means, he also knows that those who enter this covenant and agree to those conditions are themselves immoral.

Dictionary;
morality = = principles concerning the distinction between right and wrong or good and bad behaviour.

Why is it wrong to pick up a stick on a Sunday?

Why is it wrong for a women to not be a virgin bride?

Why is it right to force a woman to marry her rapist?




You are an immoral creature Yadda, because you think this is acceptable. Your belief that it is more immoral to break the condition of your covenant ignores the fact that the covenant itself is immoral

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 1^st, 2016 at 8:40am:


Sounds like your problem is with the church, not the Bible. Would you mind pointing to the Biblical passage that is relevant to 'religious dictatorship'?

Why do you think it is that it was the Christian 'religious dictatorships' that produced the new wave of liberal democracy that is currently spreading around the world?

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 1^st, 2016 at 8:40am:



You are ignorant of SO many things. This is just another example. IN fact the truth is the direct opposite of what you said - as it so often is.

Education for the masses came from the Church
Social welfare was begun and still heavily supported by the Church
Our system of law and democracy is found on the Bible
Slavery was ended by the church (over the opposition of many)
Child prostitution was ended by the church (over the opposition of many)
Freedom is a Christian principle.

Take a look around all the rich and free countries around the world. They ahve one thing in common - a Christian heritage.

freediver wrote on Dec 5^th, 2016 at 7:16pm:


Its part of the internet-society where people find a site or worse, blog and pretend that the contents are peer-reviewed and copied from Encyclopedia Brittanica. Therefore they can happily accept any nonsense because the ability to be cynical or critical of content is a dying art. So it is indeed easy to believe the Church is responsible for all the ills in the world because Blog.evilchurch.com says so.

The socalled 'information superhighway' as the internet was referred to in the 1990s has become the 'misininformation highway' instead.