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Reply #1 - Nov 26th, 2016 at 4:03pm
 
Lets see how many people here support a dictator who won't even let his people have the internet.
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Plenty of classic yank tanks though
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Reply #3 - Nov 26th, 2016 at 4:28pm
 
Gordon wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 4:03pm:
Lets see how many people here support a dictator who won't even let his people have the internet.




just another dictator... who basically wrote his own history..dont they always?

but there it is..

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Hasta la victoria siempre Comandante!
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Castro made one huge error; the missile debacle. After that, he painted himself into a corner.

However, anyone who thinks Cubans were better off under Batiste and the American mafia, is not familiar with social conditions in 1950s Cuba.

Castro and the rebels had no choice but to overthrow the government, and kick the American whore mongers out. We would do the same if we had thugs like that running Australia.
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issuevoter wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 4:40pm:
Castro made one huge error; the missile debacle. After that, he painted himself into a corner.

However, anyone who thinks Cubans were better off under Batiste and the American mafia, is not familiar with social conditions in 1950s Cuba.

Castro and the rebels had no choice but to overthrow the government, and kick the American whore mongers out. We would do the same if we had thugs like that running Australia.


I totally agree, that needed to be done. Still no excusing the way the country was run for the next 60 years.
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Castro: imprisoned, tortured & killed 1000s of innocent people -

he was a monster -

I hope he burns in hell.
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I remember as a young kid around 10 or 11 going to bed and Dad saying something about another war starting.   Only really understood about the missile crisis many years later and how close Dad's words were.  I still remember looking out my bedroom window to see if the sky was lighting up.  Funny how things like that from decades ago still sit in your mind
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Bobby. wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 4:52pm:
Castro: imprisoned, tortured & killed 1000s of innocent people -

he was a monster -

I hope he burns in hell.


There is no such thing as hell. It's just a story people make up to scare you into conforming to a pattern of behavior.
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Gordon wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 5:09pm:
Bobby. wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 4:52pm:
Castro: imprisoned, tortured & killed 1000s of innocent people -

he was a monster -

I hope he burns in hell.


There is no such thing as hell. It's just a story people make up to scare you into conforming to a pattern of behavior.



I just used hell as a metaphor.
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Reply #11 - Nov 26th, 2016 at 5:21pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 5:17pm:
Gordon wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 5:09pm:
Bobby. wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 4:52pm:
Castro: imprisoned, tortured & killed 1000s of innocent people -

he was a monster -

I hope he burns in hell.


There is no such thing as hell. It's just a story people make up to scare you into conforming to a pattern of behavior.



I just used hell as a metaphor.


Yeah I thought you were an atheist. I hope history doesn't treat him kindly.
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I thought Cubans had free dental care?
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There is nothing you can do to me that Castro has not already done:

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Its time wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 4:01pm:



A dead commie, hang on a minute ..................
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The death of a great man and a leader of his people.

He will be missed.

I remember doing Cuban Revolutionary History in third year and in Honours at Uni.   His regime had it's problems but the Americans were really annoyed that they could not dispose of him as easily they wanted to.   They hated that.  In 1963 it all boiled over in the Missile Crisis which was not quite the victory Washington painted it as.
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Brian Ross wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 6:15pm:
The death of a great man and a leader of his people.

He will be missed.

I remember doing Cuban Revolutionary History in third year and in Honours at Uni.   His regime had it's problems but the Americans were really annoyed that they could not dispose of him as easily they wanted to.   They hated that.  In 1963 it all boiled over in the Missile Crisis which was not quite the victory Washington painted it as.



The missiles of October 1962.

Castro nearly caused the whole world to be destroyed.
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Bobby. wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 6:24pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 6:15pm:
The death of a great man and a leader of his people.

He will be missed.

I remember doing Cuban Revolutionary History in third year and in Honours at Uni.   His regime had it's problems but the Americans were really annoyed that they could not dispose of him as easily they wanted to.   They hated that.  In 1963 it all boiled over in the Missile Crisis which was not quite the victory Washington painted it as.



The missiles of October 1962.

Castro nearly caused the whole world to be destroyed.


Really?  I thought it was a huge game of bluff being played by Kennedy and Khrushchev.
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Aussie wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 6:29pm:
Bobby. wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 6:24pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 6:15pm:
The death of a great man and a leader of his people.

He will be missed.

I remember doing Cuban Revolutionary History in third year and in Honours at Uni.   His regime had it's problems but the Americans were really annoyed that they could not dispose of him as easily they wanted to.   They hated that.  In 1963 it all boiled over in the Missile Crisis which was not quite the victory Washington painted it as.



The missiles of October 1962.

Castro nearly caused the whole world to be destroyed.


Really?  I thought it was a huge game of bluff being played by Kennedy and Khrushchev.



Castro was mad -
I read somewhere that he was ready to sacrifice Cuba
from nuclear weapons  for the communist world revolution.
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Castro was no hero

had he been he would not of subjected his people to 60 years of draconian dictatorship.

Getting rid of the corrupt US influence in the early days was a good thing .... but he turned that to shyte.

Why is it that so many Cubans risked their lives trying to escape by swimming,sailing,rowing to the USA?

Castro & his family were self centered grandiose arzeholes.
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Do they all smoke?
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Gordon wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 6:39pm:
Do they all smoke?


Only after sex.

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I thought Cubans had free dental care?


you think she paid for that treatment?  Cheesy Cheesy
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Brian Ross wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 6:15pm:
The death of a great man and a leader of his people.

He will be missed.

I remember doing Cuban Revolutionary History in third year and in Honours at Uni.   His regime had it's problems but the Americans were really annoyed that they could not dispose of him as easily they wanted to.   They hated that.  In 1963 it all boiled over in the Missile Crisis which was not quite the victory Washington painted it as.




that is of course true.. however why did so many escape from Cuba if it was so wonderful???...

like m ost dictatorships he ruled with an iron fist.. which means if you didnt like it you disappeared..

I am sure there is no record of that... Sad
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Bobby. wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 6:33pm:
Aussie wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 6:29pm:
Bobby. wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 6:24pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 6:15pm:
The death of a great man and a leader of his people.

He will be missed.

I remember doing Cuban Revolutionary History in third year and in Honours at Uni.   His regime had it's problems but the Americans were really annoyed that they could not dispose of him as easily they wanted to.   They hated that.  In 1963 it all boiled over in the Missile Crisis which was not quite the victory Washington painted it as.



The missiles of October 1962.

Castro nearly caused the whole world to be destroyed.


Really?  I thought it was a huge game of bluff being played by Kennedy and Khrushchev.



Castro was mad -
I read somewhere that he was ready to sacrifice Cuba
from nuclear weapons  for the communist world revolution.


Castro never had control of any nuclear weapon. Nor were Soviet missile sites in Cuba  ever in readiness.
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bugger. I hope this doesn't create a resurgence of people getting Che tattoos.

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issuevoter wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 6:47pm:
Bobby. wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 6:33pm:
Aussie wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 6:29pm:
Bobby. wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 6:24pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 6:15pm:
The death of a great man and a leader of his people.

He will be missed.

I remember doing Cuban Revolutionary History in third year and in Honours at Uni.   His regime had it's problems but the Americans were really annoyed that they could not dispose of him as easily they wanted to.   They hated that.  In 1963 it all boiled over in the Missile Crisis which was not quite the victory Washington painted it as.



The missiles of October 1962.

Castro nearly caused the whole world to be destroyed.


Really?  I thought it was a huge game of bluff being played by Kennedy and Khrushchev.



Castro was mad -
I read somewhere that he was ready to sacrifice Cuba
from nuclear weapons  for the communist world revolution.


Castro never had control of any nuclear weapon. Nor were Soviet missile sites in Cuba  ever in readiness.



But Castro had missile love:

1:39



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Bobby. wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 6:57pm:
issuevoter wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 6:47pm:
Bobby. wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 6:33pm:
Aussie wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 6:29pm:
Bobby. wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 6:24pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 6:15pm:
The death of a great man and a leader of his people.

He will be missed.

I remember doing Cuban Revolutionary History in third year and in Honours at Uni.   His regime had it's problems but the Americans were really annoyed that they could not dispose of him as easily they wanted to.   They hated that.  In 1963 it all boiled over in the Missile Crisis which was not quite the victory Washington painted it as.



The missiles of October 1962.

Castro nearly caused the whole world to be destroyed.


Really?  I thought it was a huge game of bluff being played by Kennedy and Khrushchev.



Castro was mad -
I read somewhere that he was ready to sacrifice Cuba
from nuclear weapons  for the communist world revolution.


Castro never had control of any nuclear weapon. Nor were Soviet missile sites in Cuba  ever in readiness.



But Castro had missile love:

1:39





Yes, he did Booby.

I wonder if this is Mr Trump's favourite Dragon song.


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Like Argentina and many other South American dictatorships, Cuba made many people who didn't agree with the doctrine imposed on them "disappear".

Castro was no different from the many despots throughout history who ruthlessly imposed their will on the people.

Why do you think thousands risked their lives to get to the US?

Good riddance to the old bastard!
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cods wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 6:42pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 6:15pm:
The death of a great man and a leader of his people.

He will be missed.

I remember doing Cuban Revolutionary History in third year and in Honours at Uni.   His regime had it's problems but the Americans were really annoyed that they could not dispose of him as easily they wanted to.   They hated that.  In 1963 it all boiled over in the Missile Crisis which was not quite the victory Washington painted it as.




that is of course true.. however why did so many escape from Cuba if it was so wonderful???...


Your question should be why the overwhelming majority didn't try and escape.  Those that did so were those that supported the Batista regime or were not interested in Castro's socialist experiment.  They gained in their opinion nothing with having to share their skills and their profits with their fellow Cubans.   Those that remained weren't held in Cuba after 2012 (although restrictions had been steadily eased after about 1985).  Most restrictions on Cuban travel, particularly to the USA were made by the USA, rather than Cuba.

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like most dictatorships he ruled with an iron fist.. which means if you didnt like it you disappeared..


Where to, the Isla del Pinos?  There are a lot of myths which the USA has promulgate over the decades about what happens to Cuban critics of the Fidelista regime, Cods.   One of which was that there was an infamous map published of the Cuban Gulag which listed the Isla del Pinos as the location of a camp for political dissidents.  In reality, it was a youth camp.  I don't doubt that if someone persisted with their criticism of the Fidelistas they may well have "disappeared".   However, it took a lot of effort to get that far up their noses.  Most "disappeared" people fled to the US.

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I am sure there is no record of that... Sad


Actually the Cubans have a lot of records of what people did and didn't do, in Cuba.  The US has a lot less of them.   I'd take anything the CIA claims about Cuba between 1960 and 2015 with a massive grain of salt.   I don't doubt that the Fidelista regime was bad in many ways but the CIA likes to ice the cake a great deal.    Roll Eyes
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greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 6:59pm:
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Bobby. wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 6:24pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 6:15pm:
The death of a great man and a leader of his people.

He will be missed.

I remember doing Cuban Revolutionary History in third year and in Honours at Uni.   His regime had it's problems but the Americans were really annoyed that they could not dispose of him as easily they wanted to.   They hated that.  In 1963 it all boiled over in the Missile Crisis which was not quite the victory Washington painted it as.



The missiles of October 1962.

Castro nearly caused the whole world to be destroyed.


Really?  I thought it was a huge game of bluff being played by Kennedy and Khrushchev.



Castro was mad -
I read somewhere that he was ready to sacrifice Cuba
from nuclear weapons  for the communist world revolution.


Castro never had control of any nuclear weapon. Nor were Soviet missile sites in Cuba  ever in readiness.



But Castro had missile love:

1:39





Yes, he did Booby.

I wonder if this is Mr Trump's favourite Dragon song.





Dunno Greggy but I bet Marc Hunter got the babes!
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Will Cuban 'society' be allowed to open up now?
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Bobby. wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 7:02pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 6:59pm:
Bobby. wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 6:57pm:
issuevoter wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 6:47pm:
Bobby. wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 6:33pm:
Aussie wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 6:29pm:
Bobby. wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 6:24pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 6:15pm:
The death of a great man and a leader of his people.

He will be missed.

I remember doing Cuban Revolutionary History in third year and in Honours at Uni.   His regime had it's problems but the Americans were really annoyed that they could not dispose of him as easily they wanted to.   They hated that.  In 1963 it all boiled over in the Missile Crisis which was not quite the victory Washington painted it as.



The missiles of October 1962.

Castro nearly caused the whole world to be destroyed.


Really?  I thought it was a huge game of bluff being played by Kennedy and Khrushchev.



Castro was mad -
I read somewhere that he was ready to sacrifice Cuba
from nuclear weapons  for the communist world revolution.


Castro never had control of any nuclear weapon. Nor were Soviet missile sites in Cuba  ever in readiness.



But Castro had missile love:

1:39





Yes, he did Booby.

I wonder if this is Mr Trump's favourite Dragon song.





Dunno Greggy but I bet Marc Hunter got the babes!



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Yep - I bet Marc Hunter banged lots of Aussie beaver.
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Yep - I bet Marc Hunter banged lots of Aussie beaver.


Yeah, maybe.

"Hunter attended Taumarunui High School and started performing as a cabaret singer, Todd later reminisced, "Oh, he was fabulous! He was playing in cabaret lounges and entertaining all sorts of people, driving a pink Mercedes ... "
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Yep - I bet Marc Hunter banged lots of Aussie beaver.


Yeah, maybe.

"Hunter attended Taumarunui High School and started performing as a cabaret singer, Todd later reminisced, "Oh, he was fabulous! He was playing in cabaret lounges and entertaining all sorts of people, driving a pink Mercedes ... "




He died in Berry near Kiama on 17 July 1998.[21] A memorial service for him was held at St. Andrew's Cathedral in Sydney, followed by an all-star benefit concert to raise money to support his widow and children.


Anyway this thread is about that evil Castro monster not one of
New Zealand's great rock stars.

Interesting that he wrote & performed a song about Castro & Cuba.
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Bobby. wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 7:26pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 7:14pm:
Bobby. wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 7:11pm:
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Yeah, maybe.

"Hunter attended Taumarunui High School and started performing as a cabaret singer, Todd later reminisced, "Oh, he was fabulous! He was playing in cabaret lounges and entertaining all sorts of people, driving a pink Mercedes ... "




He died in Berry near Kiama on 17 July 1998.[21] A memorial service for him was held at St. Andrew's Cathedral in Sydney, followed by an all-star benefit concert to raise money to support his widow and children.


Anyway this thread is about that evil Castro monster not one of
New Zealand's great rock stars.

Interesting that he wrote & performed a song about Castro & Cuba.




The song was written by Paul Hewson.

Not Bono from U2, Paul Hewson.

Paul Hewson the keyboard player for Dragon.

Him, and the rest of the band, are all dead now.

Except Mark's brother, Todd.

And of course, the other guitarist - Tommy Emmanuel.



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Gordon wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 7:02pm:
Will Cuban 'society' be allowed to open up now?


Cuban society has been reasonably open for quite some time now. The ridiculous US embargo has done nothing to help, yet the people get around it and make do quite successfully.
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And what about Ruben Gonzales - the great Cuban pianist?
We all wish we could play like him:

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Bobby. wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 7:51pm:
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We all wish we could play like him:



I'm sure you enjoy a good pianist, Booby.

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Bobby. wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 7:51pm:
And what about Ruben Gonzales - the great Cuban pianist?
We all wish we could play like him:



I'm sure you enjoy a good pianist, sir Bobby.




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Not sure what Castro's logic was for missile bases. In a nuclear exchange, Cuba would have got fallout from Soviet bombs as well as direct hits from the USA.
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Who on this board wouldn't be most likely to have a Che tattoo? I'm borough for Leftwingtard


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Setanta wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 8:53pm:
Gordon wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 8:47pm:
Who on this board wouldn't be most likely to have a Che tattoo? I'm borough for Leftwingtard


You been into cods sherry?


Because of the weird auto correct that changed voted?

Leftwinger probably has Che on his left butt cheek
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There is nothing you can do to me that Castro has not already done:

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Gordon wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 8:58pm:
Setanta wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 8:53pm:
Gordon wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 8:47pm:
Who on this board wouldn't be most likely to have a Che tattoo? I'm borough for Leftwingtard


You been into cods sherry?


Because of the weird auto correct that changed voted?

Leftwinger probably has Che on his left butt cheek


Stop it Gordy! Hic...
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Its time wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 4:01pm:



QUESTION;
Was Fidel Castro a liberator ?

QUESTION;
Was he a nation builder ?



.



Fidel Castro was a womaniser, who raped, imprisoned, and murdered, his enemies/opponents.

And, he was dictator.       [i.e. a fascist]



Google;
how many children does castro have



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Fidel Castro was a womaniser, who raped, imprisoned, and murdered, his enemies/opponents.


He had a bit in common with Trump then?

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Yadda wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 9:18pm:

Fidel Castro was a womaniser, who raped, imprisoned, and murdered, his enemies/opponents.



He had a bit in common with Trump then?





POST-TRUTH really suits you greggery.



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Gordon wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 8:58pm:
Setanta wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 8:53pm:
Gordon wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 8:47pm:
Who on this board wouldn't be most likely to have a Che tattoo? I'm borough for Leftwingtard


You been into cods sherry?


Because of the weird auto correct that changed voted?

Leftwinger probably has Che on his left butt cheek


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Reply #54 - Nov 26th, 2016 at 10:02pm
 
Its time wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 9:56pm:
Gordon wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 8:58pm:
Setanta wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 8:53pm:
Gordon wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 8:47pm:
Who on this board wouldn't be most likely to have a Che tattoo? I'm borough for Leftwingtard


You been into cods sherry?


Because of the weird auto correct that changed voted?

Leftwinger probably has Che on his left butt cheek


One up on the target tat round ya japs eye


First before never happened leaked.
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Setanta wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 10:02pm:
Its time wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 9:56pm:
Gordon wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 8:58pm:
Setanta wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 8:53pm:
Gordon wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 8:47pm:
Who on this board wouldn't be most likely to have a Che tattoo? I'm borough for Leftwingtard


You been into cods sherry?


Because of the weird auto correct that changed voted?

Leftwinger probably has Che on his left butt cheek


One up on the target tat round ya japs eye


First before never happened leaked.


Chit yaself ?
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Reply #56 - Nov 26th, 2016 at 10:23pm
 
Its time wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 10:17pm:
Setanta wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 10:02pm:
Its time wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 9:56pm:
Gordon wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 8:58pm:
Setanta wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 8:53pm:
Gordon wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 8:47pm:
Who on this board wouldn't be most likely to have a Che tattoo? I'm borough for Leftwingtard


You been into cods sherry?


Because of the weird auto correct that changed voted?

Leftwinger probably has Che on his left butt cheek


One up on the target tat round ya japs eye


First before never happened leaked.


Chit yaself ?


This lunatic boredom spikes a terrible landlord.
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Reply #57 - Nov 26th, 2016 at 10:29pm
 
Its time wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 4:01pm:


"RIP Mr Castro"??? Did he not want to microwave parts of the northern hemisphere at one stage?
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UnSubRocky wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 10:29pm:
Its time wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 4:01pm:


"RIP Mr Castro"??? Did he not want to microwave parts of the northern hemisphere at one stage?


The yummy parts?
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Setanta wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 10:34pm:
UnSubRocky wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 10:29pm:
Its time wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 4:01pm:


"RIP Mr Castro"??? Did he not want to microwave parts of the northern hemisphere at one stage?


The yummy parts?


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Its time wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 10:36pm:
Setanta wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 10:34pm:
UnSubRocky wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 10:29pm:
Its time wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 4:01pm:


"RIP Mr Castro"??? Did he not want to microwave parts of the northern hemisphere at one stage?


The yummy parts?


grabs popcorn  Wink


Microwaved? Shocked
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Reply #61 - Nov 26th, 2016 at 10:40pm
 
Gordon wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 4:03pm:
Lets see how many people here support a dictator who won't even let his people have the internet.


Well, at least some good came about his presidency.
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Setanta wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 10:39pm:
Its time wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 10:36pm:
Setanta wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 10:34pm:
UnSubRocky wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 10:29pm:
Its time wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 4:01pm:


"RIP Mr Castro"??? Did he not want to microwave parts of the northern hemisphere at one stage?


The yummy parts?


grabs popcorn  Wink


Microwaved? Shocked


It's a euphemism for seeing nuclear missiles fired upon an opponent, and those straight outside the immediate blast area seeing their skin melt off them, body parts fall off, and then the eventual disintegration of the entire body until only a mild resemblance of the human skeleton remain.

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Reply #63 - Nov 26th, 2016 at 10:48pm
 
Gordon wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 5:23pm:
I thought Cubans had free dental care?


That lady could have the best dentists, and have weekly visits. Nothing would save her teeth without her sacrificing her cigar habit.
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Remember that documentary sicko when first world citizens were going to cuba for healthcare , ahhh capitalism , so grand  Huh
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UnSubRocky wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 10:44pm:
Setanta wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 10:39pm:
Its time wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 10:36pm:
Setanta wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 10:34pm:
UnSubRocky wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 10:29pm:
Its time wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 4:01pm:


"RIP Mr Castro"??? Did he not want to microwave parts of the northern hemisphere at one stage?


The yummy parts?


grabs popcorn  Wink


Microwaved? Shocked


It's a euphemism for seeing nuclear missiles fired upon an opponent, and those straight outside the immediate blast area seeing their skin melt off them, body parts fall off, and then the eventual disintegration of the entire body until only a mild resemblance of the human skeleton remain.



Ahh. I've seen them. I play Fallout. Ghoulish!

Sorry for that edit. I wish the modify button was not beside reply. Must be the fourth or fifth time it caught me.
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Reply #66 - Nov 26th, 2016 at 11:12pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 9:21pm:
Yadda wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 9:18pm:
Fidel Castro was a womaniser, who raped, imprisoned, and murdered, his enemies/opponents.


He had a bit in common with Trump then?

you mean you predicted with certainty he would lose an election and he won?  Cheesy
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Its time wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 10:17pm:
Setanta wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 10:02pm:
Its time wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 9:56pm:
Gordon wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 8:58pm:
Setanta wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 8:53pm:
Gordon wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 8:47pm:
Who on this board wouldn't be most likely to have a Che tattoo? I'm borough for Leftwingtard


You been into cods sherry?


Because of the weird auto correct that changed voted?

Leftwinger probably has Che on his left butt cheek


One up on the target tat round ya japs eye


First before never happened leaked.


Chit yaself ?


Has anyone really been far as decided to use even go want to do look more like? You've got to be kidding me. I've been further even more decided to use even go need to do look more as anyone can. Can you really be far even as decided half as much to use go wish for that?

And furthermore! Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

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The US Navy has a decades-old plan in place to contain the thousands of Cubans who would make their way to South Florida should there be a sudden and dramatic change in the way Cuba is run.
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Its time wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 11:06pm:
Remember that documentary sicko when first world citizens were going to cuba for healthcare , ahhh capitalism , so grand  Huh


Cuba is set for a huge growth in medical tourism.
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issuevoter wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 4:40pm:
Castro made one huge error; the missile debacle. After that, he painted himself into a corner.

However, anyone who thinks Cubans were better off under Batiste and the American mafia, is not familiar with social conditions in 1950s Cuba.

Castro and the rebels had no choice but to overthrow the government, and kick the American whore mongers out. We would do the same if we had thugs like that running Australia.


I totally agree, that needed to be done. Still no excusing the way the country was run for the next 60 years.
you mean the high levels of literacy, universal health care and increased life expectancy. Terrible, no excuse.
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What goes largely unsaid about Cuba is that before the revolution the country was largely white, now it is mostly dark-skinned people.
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What goes largely unsaid about Cuba is that before the revolution the country was largely white, now it is mostly dark-skinned people.


And ?
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What goes largely unsaid about Cuba is that before the revolution the country was largely white, now it is mostly dark-skinned people.


Are you sure  La Revolucion changed the demographics that much?
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AiA wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 11:25pm:
What goes largely unsaid about Cuba is that before the revolution the country was largely white, now it is mostly dark-skinned people.


Are you sure  La Revolucion changed the demographics that much?


Yes, the whites left and took what money they could with them. Miami has erupted into a mass celebration by their descendants.
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AiA wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 11:35pm:
Setanta wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 11:33pm:
AiA wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 11:25pm:
What goes largely unsaid about Cuba is that before the revolution the country was largely white, now it is mostly dark-skinned people.


Are you sure  La Revolucion changed the demographics that much?


Yes, the whites left and took what money they could with them. Miami has erupted into a mass celebration by their descendants.


Have some links on the numbers? That would have been an exodus of biblical proportions.
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"Vive la Revolution"
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UnSubRocky wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 10:40pm:
Gordon wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 4:03pm:
Lets see how many people here support a dictator who won't even let his people have the internet.


Well, at least some good came about his presidency.


Yeah he died.
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Reply #78 - Nov 27th, 2016 at 8:09am
 
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Gordon wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 4:48pm:
issuevoter wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 4:40pm:
Castro made one huge error; the missile debacle. After that, he painted himself into a corner.

However, anyone who thinks Cubans were better off under Batiste and the American mafia, is not familiar with social conditions in 1950s Cuba.

Castro and the rebels had no choice but to overthrow the government, and kick the American whore mongers out. We would do the same if we had thugs like that running Australia.


I totally agree, that needed to be done. Still no excusing the way the country was run for the next 60 years.
you mean the high levels of literacy, universal health care and increased life expectancy. Terrible, no excuse.



Yet they couldn't get a passport for 51 years.
The universal health care claim is a crock too. Free GP visits, get your arm set, fine, but which country would you want cancer treatment in?
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Worshipped by some hated by others but never ignored
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Reply #80 - Nov 27th, 2016 at 10:28am
 
Its time wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 4:01pm:



A 'legend' who never once asked his people what they thought of him at the ballot box.

Some legend.

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Fidel Castro survived 600 assassination attempts, officials say


Havana, Cuba (CNN)Former Cuban leader Fidel Castro was a legendary survivor -- besting what Cuban officials say were more than 600 attempts to kill him.
He lived much of his long life in the spotlight -- and much of it in the cross hairs -- surviving a half century of assassination plots.

Assassination plots were spectacular failures
His would-be assassins are alleged to have plotted to kill him in a variety of ways, including poisoning him, dosing his dive suit with fatal botulism and blowing him up during a speech. Many of the plots were spectacular failures. More Wile E. Coyote than Jason Bourne.
"More people have tried to murder the world's most famous socialist than any man alive," according to the 2006 British documentary "638 Ways to Kill Castro."

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/08/12/americas/cuba-fidel-castro-at-90-after-assassi...
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Reply #82 - Nov 27th, 2016 at 2:43pm
 
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What goes largely unsaid about Cuba is that before the revolution the country was largely white, now it is mostly dark-skinned people.


Depends on your definition of what constitutes the term "white".  Pre-revolution, segregation was practised in Cuban society.   Post-revolution, segregation stopped and people mixed.   The result is more a dark-brown coffee skin colour than a universal "black" or "white".   No more were there "white's only"  facilities such as beaches, social clubs, night clubs, schools, etc.  All in all, a much healthier Cuban society resulted.   No one cares what colour your skin is nowadays.  Compare that to what happens on the otherside of the Florida Strait.   Roll Eyes
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Reply #83 - Nov 27th, 2016 at 2:46pm
 
Gordon wrote on Nov 27th, 2016 at 8:09am:
rhino wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 11:19pm:
Gordon wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 4:48pm:
issuevoter wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 4:40pm:
Castro made one huge error; the missile debacle. After that, he painted himself into a corner.

However, anyone who thinks Cubans were better off under Batiste and the American mafia, is not familiar with social conditions in 1950s Cuba.

Castro and the rebels had no choice but to overthrow the government, and kick the American whore mongers out. We would do the same if we had thugs like that running Australia.


I totally agree, that needed to be done. Still no excusing the way the country was run for the next 60 years.
you mean the high levels of literacy, universal health care and increased life expectancy. Terrible, no excuse.



Yet they couldn't get a passport for 51 years.


Actually they could, if they were prepared to pay for one.  Getting a visa also cost a lot.  No one was stopped from leaving Cuba since the Revolution except by cost and the refusal of the US to allow direct travel between Florida and Cuba.   Roll Eyes

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The universal health care claim is a crock too. Free GP visits, get your arm set, fine, but which country would you want cancer treatment in?


Cuba.   Which society would you want your wife to have a baby in?  Cuba.  Lowest infant mortality rate in the Western Hemisphere.
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Reply #84 - Nov 27th, 2016 at 7:48pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 27th, 2016 at 2:46pm:
Gordon wrote on Nov 27th, 2016 at 8:09am:
rhino wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 11:19pm:
Gordon wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 4:48pm:
issuevoter wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 4:40pm:
Castro made one huge error; the missile debacle. After that, he painted himself into a corner.

However, anyone who thinks Cubans were better off under Batiste and the American mafia, is not familiar with social conditions in 1950s Cuba.

Castro and the rebels had no choice but to overthrow the government, and kick the American whore mongers out. We would do the same if we had thugs like that running Australia.


I totally agree, that needed to be done. Still no excusing the way the country was run for the next 60 years.
you mean the high levels of literacy, universal health care and increased life expectancy. Terrible, no excuse.



Yet they couldn't get a passport for 51 years.


Actually they could, if they were prepared to pay for one.  Getting a visa also cost a lot.  No one was stopped from leaving Cuba since the Revolution except by cost and the refusal of the US to allow direct travel between Florida and Cuba.   Roll Eyes

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The universal health care claim is a crock too. Free GP visits, get your arm set, fine, but which country would you want cancer treatment in?


Cuba.   Which society would you want your wife to have a baby in?  Cuba.  Lowest infant mortality rate in the Western Hemisphere.   


Nothing bad to say against Castro? Love to hear some balance from you.
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Reply #85 - Nov 27th, 2016 at 9:54pm
 
Gordon wrote on Nov 27th, 2016 at 8:09am:
rhino wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 11:19pm:
Gordon wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 4:48pm:
issuevoter wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 4:40pm:
Castro made one huge error; the missile debacle. After that, he painted himself into a corner.

However, anyone who thinks Cubans were better off under Batiste and the American mafia, is not familiar with social conditions in 1950s Cuba.

Castro and the rebels had no choice but to overthrow the government, and kick the American whore mongers out. We would do the same if we had thugs like that running Australia.


I totally agree, that needed to be done. Still no excusing the way the country was run for the next 60 years.
you mean the high levels of literacy, universal health care and increased life expectancy. Terrible, no excuse.



Yet they couldn't get a passport for 51 years.
The universal health care claim is a crock too. Free GP visits, get your arm set, fine, but which country would you want cancer treatment in?

Life expectancy is around 79 years, higher than the US. I dont see that statistic as "a crock"
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It is actually RIH - rot in hell.
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Reply #87 - Nov 28th, 2016 at 12:29pm
 
Gordon wrote on Nov 27th, 2016 at 8:09am:
rhino wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 11:19pm:
Gordon wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 4:48pm:
issuevoter wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 4:40pm:
Castro made one huge error; the missile debacle. After that, he painted himself into a corner.

However, anyone who thinks Cubans were better off under Batiste and the American mafia, is not familiar with social conditions in 1950s Cuba.

Castro and the rebels had no choice but to overthrow the government, and kick the American whore mongers out. We would do the same if we had thugs like that running Australia.


I totally agree, that needed to be done. Still no excusing the way the country was run for the next 60 years.
you mean the high levels of literacy, universal health care and increased life expectancy. Terrible, no excuse.



Yet they couldn't get a passport for 51 years.
The universal health care claim is a crock too. Free GP visits, get your arm set, fine, but which country would you want cancer treatment in?


"Cuban officials with the Center for the Study of Population and Development revealed Monday that life expectancy in Cuba, already one of the highest in the world, is now up to 78.45 years on average.

"Juan Carlos Alfonso Fraga, director of the center, known as CEPDE, said the figure represents an increase of nearly half a year over the previous study of life expectancy on the island. He added that the bump was seen throughout all the provinces of Cuba and not just confined to urban areas, where medical attention tends to be of better quality.

"Life expectancy for women was slightly higher at 80.45 years, with the life span for men at 76.50 years.

"Cuba is in the top 25 countries in the world for life expectancy, which is considered an important indicator of human development and quality of healthcare.

"Despite its status as a low-income country, Cuba's medical system is recognized as one of the best in the world. Cuba's world renown healthcare system places emphasis on prevention, with thousands of doctors providing front-line care to Cubans throughout the country.

"Cuba's doctors also serve throughout the world, providing primary care to impoverished communities and assisting in natural disasters and health crises, such as the Ebola outbreak in West Africa.

"Cuban medical researchers have also made important discoveries, including the development of a lung cancer vaccine, which will soon be available in the United States thanks to a deal signed between the government of Cuba and the state of New York."


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Reply #88 - Nov 28th, 2016 at 12:35pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 28th, 2016 at 12:29pm:
Gordon wrote on Nov 27th, 2016 at 8:09am:
rhino wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 11:19pm:
Gordon wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 4:48pm:
issuevoter wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 4:40pm:
Castro made one huge error; the missile debacle. After that, he painted himself into a corner.

However, anyone who thinks Cubans were better off under Batiste and the American mafia, is not familiar with social conditions in 1950s Cuba.

Castro and the rebels had no choice but to overthrow the government, and kick the American whore mongers out. We would do the same if we had thugs like that running Australia.


I totally agree, that needed to be done. Still no excusing the way the country was run for the next 60 years.
you mean the high levels of literacy, universal health care and increased life expectancy. Terrible, no excuse.



Yet they couldn't get a passport for 51 years.
The universal health care claim is a crock too. Free GP visits, get your arm set, fine, but which country would you want cancer treatment in?


"Cuban officials with the Center for the Study of Population and Development revealed Monday that life expectancy in Cuba, already one of the highest in the world, is now up to 78.45 years on average.

"Juan Carlos Alfonso Fraga, director of the center, known as CEPDE, said the figure represents an increase of nearly half a year over the previous study of life expectancy on the island. He added that the bump was seen throughout all the provinces of Cuba and not just confined to urban areas, where medical attention tends to be of better quality.

"Life expectancy for women was slightly higher at 80.45 years, with the life span for men at 76.50 years.

"Cuba is in the top 25 countries in the world for life expectancy, which is considered an important indicator of human development and quality of healthcare.

"Despite its status as a low-income country, Cuba's medical system is recognized as one of the best in the world. Cuba's world renown healthcare system places emphasis on prevention, with thousands of doctors providing front-line care to Cubans throughout the country.

"Cuba's doctors also serve throughout the world, providing primary care to impoverished communities and assisting in natural disasters and health crises, such as the Ebola outbreak in West Africa.

"Cuban medical researchers have also made important discoveries, including the development of a lung cancer vaccine, which will soon be available in the United States thanks to a deal signed between the government of Cuba and the state of New York."


Cuban Life Expectancy Among the Highest in World



Explain to me why you would believe a cuban statistic? Isnt one of the basic tools-of-the-trade in communist countries to lie through your teeth about the conditions of the populace? NK is a fine old example of that. Soviet Russia routinely exaggerated everything and much of it was nonsense. If you want to believe a cuban statistic without external validation then go ahead, but I will choose to believe they runt true to type and lying thru their teeth.

When people risk life and limb to escape a country, I refuse to believe all is rosy there. IN fact, only a fool would.
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Isnt one of the basic tools-of-the-trade in communist countries to lie through your teeth about the conditions of the populace?



ahh that explains this then

Government accused of cooking books over bulk billing figures   


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Reply #90 - Nov 28th, 2016 at 4:25pm
 
John Smith wrote on Nov 28th, 2016 at 12:39pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Nov 28th, 2016 at 12:35pm:
Isnt one of the basic tools-of-the-trade in communist countries to lie through your teeth about the conditions of the populace?



ahh that explains this then

Government accused of cooking books over bulk billing figures   


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Reply #91 - Nov 28th, 2016 at 4:46pm
 
Gordon wrote on Nov 27th, 2016 at 7:48pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 27th, 2016 at 2:46pm:
Gordon wrote on Nov 27th, 2016 at 8:09am:
rhino wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 11:19pm:
Gordon wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 4:48pm:
issuevoter wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 4:40pm:
Castro made one huge error; the missile debacle. After that, he painted himself into a corner.

However, anyone who thinks Cubans were better off under Batiste and the American mafia, is not familiar with social conditions in 1950s Cuba.

Castro and the rebels had no choice but to overthrow the government, and kick the American whore mongers out. We would do the same if we had thugs like that running Australia.


I totally agree, that needed to be done. Still no excusing the way the country was run for the next 60 years.
you mean the high levels of literacy, universal health care and increased life expectancy. Terrible, no excuse.



Yet they couldn't get a passport for 51 years.


Actually they could, if they were prepared to pay for one.  Getting a visa also cost a lot.  No one was stopped from leaving Cuba since the Revolution except by cost and the refusal of the US to allow direct travel between Florida and Cuba.   Roll Eyes

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The universal health care claim is a crock too. Free GP visits, get your arm set, fine, but which country would you want cancer treatment in?


Cuba.   Which society would you want your wife to have a baby in?  Cuba.  Lowest infant mortality rate in the Western Hemisphere.   


Nothing bad to say against Castro? Love to hear some balance from you.



Oh, there was plenty wrong with Fidel and his cronies.  However, what is the point of speaking ill of the dead?  Raul now rules in Havana and he is changing Cuban society - in many ways for the worst - to better suit the tourist dollar.   Where else can you go where prostitution is legal?   Where gambling casinos exist freely (as long as they pay their license fee) and the music is fantastic?   I know many people who have lived and holidayed in Cuba.  They all have good reports about the place but to me, knowing what it was like under Batista, there doesn't appear much difference, except the Mafia isn't as heavily involved.

Castro was a good revolutionary but a poor government leader.  Batista fled, Fidel won. Simple as that. 
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Reply #92 - Nov 28th, 2016 at 5:03pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 28th, 2016 at 4:46pm:
Gordon wrote on Nov 27th, 2016 at 7:48pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 27th, 2016 at 2:46pm:
Gordon wrote on Nov 27th, 2016 at 8:09am:
rhino wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 11:19pm:
Gordon wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 4:48pm:
issuevoter wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 4:40pm:
Castro made one huge error; the missile debacle. After that, he painted himself into a corner.

However, anyone who thinks Cubans were better off under Batiste and the American mafia, is not familiar with social conditions in 1950s Cuba.

Castro and the rebels had no choice but to overthrow the government, and kick the American whore mongers out. We would do the same if we had thugs like that running Australia.


I totally agree, that needed to be done. Still no excusing the way the country was run for the next 60 years.
you mean the high levels of literacy, universal health care and increased life expectancy. Terrible, no excuse.



Yet they couldn't get a passport for 51 years.


Actually they could, if they were prepared to pay for one.  Getting a visa also cost a lot.  No one was stopped from leaving Cuba since the Revolution except by cost and the refusal of the US to allow direct travel between Florida and Cuba.   Roll Eyes

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The universal health care claim is a crock too. Free GP visits, get your arm set, fine, but which country would you want cancer treatment in?


Cuba.   Which society would you want your wife to have a baby in?  Cuba.  Lowest infant mortality rate in the Western Hemisphere.   


Nothing bad to say against Castro? Love to hear some balance from you.



Oh, there was plenty wrong with Fidel and his cronies.  However, what is the point of speaking ill of the dead?  Raul now rules in Havana and he is changing Cuban society - in many ways for the worst - to better suit the tourist dollar.   Where else can you go where prostitution is legal?   Where gambling casinos exist freely (as long as they pay their license fee) and the music is fantastic?   I know many people who have lived and holidayed in Cuba.  They all have good reports about the place but to me, knowing what it was like under Batista, there doesn't appear much difference, except the Mafia isn't as heavily involved.

Castro was a good revolutionary but a poor government leader.  Batista fled, Fidel won. Simple as that. 


To live under that system guarantees mediocrity and almost guarantees no greatness flourishes.
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Reply #93 - Nov 28th, 2016 at 5:13pm
 
Gordon wrote on Nov 28th, 2016 at 5:03pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 28th, 2016 at 4:46pm:
Gordon wrote on Nov 27th, 2016 at 7:48pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 27th, 2016 at 2:46pm:
Gordon wrote on Nov 27th, 2016 at 8:09am:
rhino wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 11:19pm:
Gordon wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 4:48pm:
issuevoter wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 4:40pm:
Castro made one huge error; the missile debacle. After that, he painted himself into a corner.

However, anyone who thinks Cubans were better off under Batiste and the American mafia, is not familiar with social conditions in 1950s Cuba.

Castro and the rebels had no choice but to overthrow the government, and kick the American whore mongers out. We would do the same if we had thugs like that running Australia.


I totally agree, that needed to be done. Still no excusing the way the country was run for the next 60 years.
you mean the high levels of literacy, universal health care and increased life expectancy. Terrible, no excuse.



Yet they couldn't get a passport for 51 years.


Actually they could, if they were prepared to pay for one.  Getting a visa also cost a lot.  No one was stopped from leaving Cuba since the Revolution except by cost and the refusal of the US to allow direct travel between Florida and Cuba.   Roll Eyes

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The universal health care claim is a crock too. Free GP visits, get your arm set, fine, but which country would you want cancer treatment in?


Cuba.   Which society would you want your wife to have a baby in?  Cuba.  Lowest infant mortality rate in the Western Hemisphere.   


Nothing bad to say against Castro? Love to hear some balance from you.



Oh, there was plenty wrong with Fidel and his cronies.  However, what is the point of speaking ill of the dead?  Raul now rules in Havana and he is changing Cuban society - in many ways for the worst - to better suit the tourist dollar.   Where else can you go where prostitution is legal?   Where gambling casinos exist freely (as long as they pay their license fee) and the music is fantastic?   I know many people who have lived and holidayed in Cuba.  They all have good reports about the place but to me, knowing what it was like under Batista, there doesn't appear much difference, except the Mafia isn't as heavily involved.

Castro was a good revolutionary but a poor government leader.  Batista fled, Fidel won. Simple as that. 


To live under that system guarantees mediocrity and almost guarantees no greatness flourishes.


And you have evidence to support that view, Gordon or are you speaking from your usual ill-judged prejudice?

Considering that Cuban society has changed markedly since Batista relinquished power.  The lot of the overwhelming majority of Cubans is much better.   Much, much better.  The US will seek to "fix" that, unfortunately.    Roll Eyes
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Reply #94 - Nov 28th, 2016 at 5:17pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 28th, 2016 at 5:13pm:
Gordon wrote on Nov 28th, 2016 at 5:03pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 28th, 2016 at 4:46pm:
Gordon wrote on Nov 27th, 2016 at 7:48pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 27th, 2016 at 2:46pm:
Gordon wrote on Nov 27th, 2016 at 8:09am:
rhino wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 11:19pm:
Gordon wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 4:48pm:
issuevoter wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 4:40pm:
Castro made one huge error; the missile debacle. After that, he painted himself into a corner.

However, anyone who thinks Cubans were better off under Batiste and the American mafia, is not familiar with social conditions in 1950s Cuba.

Castro and the rebels had no choice but to overthrow the government, and kick the American whore mongers out. We would do the same if we had thugs like that running Australia.


I totally agree, that needed to be done. Still no excusing the way the country was run for the next 60 years.
you mean the high levels of literacy, universal health care and increased life expectancy. Terrible, no excuse.



Yet they couldn't get a passport for 51 years.


Actually they could, if they were prepared to pay for one.  Getting a visa also cost a lot.  No one was stopped from leaving Cuba since the Revolution except by cost and the refusal of the US to allow direct travel between Florida and Cuba.   Roll Eyes

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The universal health care claim is a crock too. Free GP visits, get your arm set, fine, but which country would you want cancer treatment in?


Cuba.   Which society would you want your wife to have a baby in?  Cuba.  Lowest infant mortality rate in the Western Hemisphere.   


Nothing bad to say against Castro? Love to hear some balance from you.



Oh, there was plenty wrong with Fidel and his cronies.  However, what is the point of speaking ill of the dead?  Raul now rules in Havana and he is changing Cuban society - in many ways for the worst - to better suit the tourist dollar.   Where else can you go where prostitution is legal?   Where gambling casinos exist freely (as long as they pay their license fee) and the music is fantastic?   I know many people who have lived and holidayed in Cuba.  They all have good reports about the place but to me, knowing what it was like under Batista, there doesn't appear much difference, except the Mafia isn't as heavily involved.

Castro was a good revolutionary but a poor government leader.  Batista fled, Fidel won. Simple as that. 


To live under that system guarantees mediocrity and almost guarantees no greatness flourishes.


And you have evidence to support that view, Gordon or are you speaking from your usual ill-judged prejudice?

Considering that Cuban society has changed markedly since Batista relinquished power.  The lot of the overwhelming majority of Cubans is much better.   Much, much better.  The US will seek to "fix" that, unfortunately.    Roll Eyes


As you mentioned, most couldn't even afford a passport.
BTW, what happened to Cubans who spoke ill of their leader?

Oh yeah, hand up who's actually lived in a communist country.
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Reply #95 - Nov 28th, 2016 at 5:31pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 28th, 2016 at 5:13pm:
Gordon wrote on Nov 28th, 2016 at 5:03pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 28th, 2016 at 4:46pm:
Gordon wrote on Nov 27th, 2016 at 7:48pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 27th, 2016 at 2:46pm:
Gordon wrote on Nov 27th, 2016 at 8:09am:
rhino wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 11:19pm:
Gordon wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 4:48pm:
issuevoter wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 4:40pm:
Castro made one huge error; the missile debacle. After that, he painted himself into a corner.

However, anyone who thinks Cubans were better off under Batiste and the American mafia, is not familiar with social conditions in 1950s Cuba.

Castro and the rebels had no choice but to overthrow the government, and kick the American whore mongers out. We would do the same if we had thugs like that running Australia.


I totally agree, that needed to be done. Still no excusing the way the country was run for the next 60 years.
you mean the high levels of literacy, universal health care and increased life expectancy. Terrible, no excuse.



Yet they couldn't get a passport for 51 years.


Actually they could, if they were prepared to pay for one.  Getting a visa also cost a lot.  No one was stopped from leaving Cuba since the Revolution except by cost and the refusal of the US to allow direct travel between Florida and Cuba.   Roll Eyes

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The universal health care claim is a crock too. Free GP visits, get your arm set, fine, but which country would you want cancer treatment in?


Cuba.   Which society would you want your wife to have a baby in?  Cuba.  Lowest infant mortality rate in the Western Hemisphere.   


Nothing bad to say against Castro? Love to hear some balance from you.



Oh, there was plenty wrong with Fidel and his cronies.  However, what is the point of speaking ill of the dead?  Raul now rules in Havana and he is changing Cuban society - in many ways for the worst - to better suit the tourist dollar.   Where else can you go where prostitution is legal?   Where gambling casinos exist freely (as long as they pay their license fee) and the music is fantastic?   I know many people who have lived and holidayed in Cuba.  They all have good reports about the place but to me, knowing what it was like under Batista, there doesn't appear much difference, except the Mafia isn't as heavily involved.

Castro was a good revolutionary but a poor government leader.  Batista fled, Fidel won. Simple as that. 


To live under that system guarantees mediocrity and almost guarantees no greatness flourishes.


And you have evidence to support that view, Gordon or are you speaking from your usual ill-judged prejudice?

Considering that Cuban society has changed markedly since Batista relinquished power.  The lot of the overwhelming majority of Cubans is much better.   Much, much better.  The US will seek to "fix" that, unfortunately.    Roll Eyes


'better' only as long as freedom isnt part of your definition of that word. Or internet. Or human rights.

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As you mentioned, most couldn't even afford a passport.


Actually, the passport was relatively cheap, it was the exit visa which cost a disproportionate amount of money.  Also, as the Cubans were barred from crossing the Florida Strait by the US Government, most didn't want to go to other, third world poo holes to live.

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BTW, what happened to Cubans who spoke ill of their leader?


Not overly much.  Those that didn't heed the warnings were incarcerated for short periods and some were exiled. 

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And which one was that?  As there is only one country that is closest to what you'd describe as "Communist", I rather suspect you've spent bugger all time there.  Can you guess which one I'm referring to?

Of course, to you, the label is the important point.  If a nation describes itself as "Communist" that is all that matters to you, despite capitalism being rife within it's society.    Roll Eyes
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Gordon wrote on Nov 28th, 2016 at 5:17pm:
As you mentioned, most couldn't even afford a passport.


Actually, the passport was relatively cheap, it was the exit visa which cost a disproportionate amount of money.  Also, as the Cubans were barred from crossing the Florida Strait by the US Government, most didn't want to go to other, third world poo holes to live.

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BTW, what happened to Cubans who spoke ill of their leader?


Not overly much.  Those that didn't heed the warnings were incarcerated for short periods and some were exiled. 

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And which one was that?  As there is only one country that is closest to what you'd describe as "Communist", I rather suspect you've spent bugger all time there.  Can you guess which one I'm referring to?

Of course, to you, the label is the important point.  If a nation describes itself as "Communist" that is all that matters to you, despite capitalism being rife within it's society.    Roll Eyes



Im enjoying watching you applaud communism and communist dictators. It would be difficult to be more discredited if you tried.
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'better' only as long as freedom isnt part of your definition of that word. Or internet. Or human rights.


You know, I keep seeing here this claim about the Internet not being allowed in Cuba.  I wonder on what basis that claim is made?   Internet access is allowed in Cuba.   Admittedly, not in private homes but Internet Cafes exist and are used by ordinary, everyday, Cuban citizens.  The World Bank has an interesteding graph about the Internet in Cuba:

...

It is obvious that Internet usage is strongly correlated with the rise of the GDP rate in a nation.  Cuba's GDP is relatively low, so internet usage is also low.

All the other things are more or less true.  No nation is perfect.  Australia infringes on the human rights of it's citizens regularly yet we don't hear any complaints.  I wonder why?

Cubans have freedom of speech, association, religion, education, etc.  What they do lack is freedom of political belief, which considering their history is understandable, if from our perspective, deplorable.  Some of that the Cubans have responsibility for, just as the US next door with it's constant assassination attempts, sabotage efforts and trade embargo.   Roll Eyes
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Im enjoying watching you applaud communism and communist dictators. It would be difficult to be more discredited if you tried.


I'm not "applauding" anything other than it's successes.  I am quite willing to acknowledge it's failures as well, longweekend.  I am, unlike most, attempting to be fair.  As I keep pointing out, Castro was an excellent revolutionary but a failure as a government leader.  He had his advantages and his disadvantages.
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Reply #100 - Nov 28th, 2016 at 6:42pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 28th, 2016 at 6:00pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Nov 28th, 2016 at 5:39pm:
Im enjoying watching you applaud communism and communist dictators. It would be difficult to be more discredited if you tried.


I'm not "applauding" anything other than it's successes.  I am quite willing to acknowledge it's failures as well, longweekend.  I am, unlike most, attempting to be fair.  As I keep pointing out, Castro was an excellent revolutionary but a failure as a government leader.  He had his advantages and his disadvantages.


You dont seem to be talking too much about its very, very long list of failures including the effective absence of freedom.  Why dont you talk about that just for a change. And Cubans only have very limited access to internet and it is in PUBLIC where they can be monitored.

Freedom. Look it up. Cuba doesnt know what it means.
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Reply #101 - Nov 28th, 2016 at 6:44pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 28th, 2016 at 5:32pm:
Gordon wrote on Nov 28th, 2016 at 5:17pm:
As you mentioned, most couldn't even afford a passport.


Actually, the passport was relatively cheap, it was the exit visa which cost a disproportionate amount of money.  Also, as the Cubans were barred from crossing the Florida Strait by the US Government, most didn't want to go to other, third world poo holes to live.

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BTW, what happened to Cubans who spoke ill of their leader?


Not overly much.  Those that didn't heed the warnings were incarcerated for short periods and some were exiled. 

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Oh yeah, hand up who's actually lived in a communist country.
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And which one was that?  As there is only one country that is closest to what you'd describe as "Communist", I rather suspect you've spent bugger all time there.  Can you guess which one I'm referring to?

Of course, to you, the label is the important point.  If a nation describes itself as "Communist" that is all that matters to you, despite capitalism being rife within it's society.    Roll Eyes


Rife with capitalism? You make it sound like a bad thing.  Grin

Brian, I dealt with Govt departments and Govt owned 'private' companies and I can tell you, the Govt was an embugerance on every thing it touched. You could say it had the fecal touch.
Anything that was good about this country was done by entrepreneurs who got off their arse an used their ingenuity.

Eye roll as much as you like, but I lived in a Commo country for 4 years, have you?
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Reply #102 - Nov 28th, 2016 at 7:10pm
 
Gordon wrote on Nov 28th, 2016 at 6:44pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 28th, 2016 at 5:32pm:
Gordon wrote on Nov 28th, 2016 at 5:17pm:
As you mentioned, most couldn't even afford a passport.


Actually, the passport was relatively cheap, it was the exit visa which cost a disproportionate amount of money.  Also, as the Cubans were barred from crossing the Florida Strait by the US Government, most didn't want to go to other, third world poo holes to live.

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BTW, what happened to Cubans who spoke ill of their leader?


Not overly much.  Those that didn't heed the warnings were incarcerated for short periods and some were exiled. 

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Oh yeah, hand up who's actually lived in a communist country.
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And which one was that?  As there is only one country that is closest to what you'd describe as "Communist", I rather suspect you've spent bugger all time there.  Can you guess which one I'm referring to?

Of course, to you, the label is the important point.  If a nation describes itself as "Communist" that is all that matters to you, despite capitalism being rife within it's society.    Roll Eyes


Rife with capitalism? You make it sound like a bad thing.  Grin

Brian, I dealt with Govt departments and Govt owned 'private' companies and I can tell you, the Govt was an embugerance on every thing it touched. You could say it had the fecal touch.
Anything that was good about this country was done by entrepreneurs who got off their arse an used their ingenuity.

Eye roll as much as you like, but I lived in a Commo country for 4 years, have you?


I suspect a set up for the classic and well worn leftie cop out.  Communism never failed because it was never enacted.
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Reply #103 - Nov 28th, 2016 at 9:40pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Nov 28th, 2016 at 6:42pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 28th, 2016 at 6:00pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Nov 28th, 2016 at 5:39pm:
Im enjoying watching you applaud communism and communist dictators. It would be difficult to be more discredited if you tried.


I'm not "applauding" anything other than it's successes.  I am quite willing to acknowledge it's failures as well, longweekend.  I am, unlike most, attempting to be fair.  As I keep pointing out, Castro was an excellent revolutionary but a failure as a government leader.  He had his advantages and his disadvantages.


You dont seem to be talking too much about its very, very long list of failures including the effective absence of freedom.  Why dont you talk about that just for a change. And Cubans only have very limited access to internet and it is in PUBLIC where they can be monitored.

Freedom. Look it up. Cuba doesnt know what it means.


Freedom is relative at the best, Longweekend.  Cubans under Castro were freer than they were under Batista.  Batista was a failed real-estate agent from Daytona Florida (a career he returned to after he left Havana).   He was also a thug and in the pocket of the Mafia (primarily from New York).   If you spoke out against Batista you either "disappeared" or were killed in the street.   If you weren't one of the ruling oligarchy, you weren't allowed to learn how to read or attend school.  If you were female and poor and pretty you invariably ended up as a prostitute.   There was no chance to advance yourself or you family.  You were too poor to own land and invariably starved.  There was little freedom of speech, association and political belief.

Under Castro, schools were free, medical care was free, there was no prostitution, the Mafia owned gambling joints were either closed down or nationalised.   You were taught to read and educated.  Medical care was free.   Cubans in the sugar industry controlled and advanced.   Cubans were proud to be Cubans, whether black, white or in between.  What freedoms did they lack?  They had freedom of speech, freedom of association, freedom of religion.  They had freedom of movement within Cuba and could even leave Cuba if they could afford the exit visa.   The only real freedom they lacked was political association - a not insignificant one but one which they are finding again.

Today, Cubans have far more freedom than they did at the start of the Revolution.  A fact that most critics of Fidel and the Fidelistas refuse to achnowledge, preferring to paint the regime as the blackest of totalitarian, 1984 like, worse than the DPRK even.   What is required is balance and that is sadly lacking from most of the criticism of the Fidelistas.  Sure they had their problems but it must be acknowledged they had their successes as well.  Are you prepared to do that?   Roll Eyes

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Reply #104 - Nov 28th, 2016 at 9:44pm
 
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Rife with capitalism? You make it sound like a bad thing.  Grin


Unfetted, it's like a disease.  Unregulated capitalism leads to suffering of the worst kind for the majority of the population, Gordon.

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Anything that was good about this country was done by entrepreneurs who got off their arse an used their ingenuity.


Gee, let me guess, it was Vietnam or China, right?  Neither are Communist, except in name, something you appear unwilling to acknowledge.  Neither has been Communist in the true sense of the word.

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Eye roll as much as you like, but I lived in a Commo country for 4 years, have you?


Nope.  Never claimed to have.   Personally, I prefer Socialism over Communism.   I suspect you won't understand the difference so I won't bother attempting to explain it to you.    Roll Eyes
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I suspect a set up for the classic and well worn leftie cop out.  Communism never failed because it was never enacted. 


Not a "cop out", rather it is truth.  No nation has ever enacted "Communism" as explained by Marx.  All have enacted Stalinism to some degree or other.    Roll Eyes
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Reply #106 - Nov 28th, 2016 at 10:43pm
 
Gnads wrote on Nov 27th, 2016 at 7:01am:
UnSubRocky wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 10:40pm:
Gordon wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 4:03pm:
Lets see how many people here support a dictator who won't even let his people have the internet.


Well, at least some good came about his presidency.


Yeah he died.


What I mean is that having the internet leads to internet addiction. And the internet is so full of crap, that all the regulating of content won't do much for all the crap that gets put on websites. Having no internet has been a good thing for Cubans.
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Pol Pot, Saddam Hussein and Fidel Castro. Saddam may have been the least evil of the three.
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The late Comrade Castro, May Allah put peace upon his soul, did not represent a nationalist bourgeois approach to revolution and socialism. Comrade Castro was an essential force to export the socialist revolution to all developing countries in Asia, Africa, and Latin America.

His movement represented the fighting force for the proletariat and the exploited peasants. The capitalist domination has been defeated by a revolutionary uprising and people power; otherwise, capitalists do not give up their power to the working people.
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Pol Pot, Saddam Hussein and Fidel Castro. Saddam may have been the least evil of the three. 


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The Halabja chemical attack (Kurdish: Kîmyabarana Helebce کیمیابارانی ھەڵەبجە), also known as the Halabja Massacre or Bloody Friday,[1] was a massacre against the Kurdish people that took place on March 16, 1988, during the closing days of the Iran–Iraq War in the Kurdish city of Halabja in Southern Kurdistan. The attack was part of the Al-Anfal Campaign in northern Iraq, as well as part of the Iraqi attempt to repel the Iranian Operation Zafar 7. It took place 48 hours after the fall of the town to Iranian army and Kurdish guerrillas.

The attack killed between 3,200 and 5,000 people and injured 7,000 to 10,000 more, most of them civilians.[1][2] Thousands more died of complications, diseases, and birth defects in the years after the attack.[3] The incident, which has been officially defined by Supreme Iraqi Criminal Tribunal as a genocidal massacre against the Kurdish people in Iraq,[4] was and still remains the largest chemical weapons attack directed against a civilian-populated area in history.[5]

The Halabja attack has been recognized as a distinct event of the Anfal Genocide conducted against the Kurdish people by the Iraqi regime under Saddam Hussein. The Iraqi High Criminal Court recognized the Halabja massacre as an act of genocide on March 1, 2010, a decision welcomed by the Kurdistan Regional Government. The attack was also condemned as a crime against humanity by the Parliament of Canada
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Reply #111 - Nov 29th, 2016 at 7:46am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 28th, 2016 at 9:40pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Nov 28th, 2016 at 6:42pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 28th, 2016 at 6:00pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Nov 28th, 2016 at 5:39pm:
Im enjoying watching you applaud communism and communist dictators. It would be difficult to be more discredited if you tried.


I'm not "applauding" anything other than it's successes.  I am quite willing to acknowledge it's failures as well, longweekend.  I am, unlike most, attempting to be fair.  As I keep pointing out, Castro was an excellent revolutionary but a failure as a government leader.  He had his advantages and his disadvantages.


You dont seem to be talking too much about its very, very long list of failures including the effective absence of freedom.  Why dont you talk about that just for a change. And Cubans only have very limited access to internet and it is in PUBLIC where they can be monitored.

Freedom. Look it up. Cuba doesnt know what it means.


Freedom is relative at the best, Longweekend.  Cubans under Castro were freer than they were under Batista.  Batista was a failed real-estate agent from Daytona Florida (a career he returned to after he left Havana).   He was also a thug and in the pocket of the Mafia (primarily from New York).   If you spoke out against Batista you either "disappeared" or were killed in the street.   If you weren't one of the ruling oligarchy, you weren't allowed to learn how to read or attend school.  If you were female and poor and pretty you invariably ended up as a prostitute.   There was no chance to advance yourself or you family.  You were too poor to own land and invariably starved.  There was little freedom of speech, association and political belief.

Under Castro, schools were free, medical care was free, there was no prostitution, the Mafia owned gambling joints were either closed down or nationalised.   You were taught to read and educated.  Medical care was free.   Cubans in the sugar industry controlled and advanced.   Cubans were proud to be Cubans, whether black, white or in between.  What freedoms did they lack?  They had freedom of speech, freedom of association, freedom of religion.  They had freedom of movement within Cuba and could even leave Cuba if they could afford the exit visa.   The only real freedom they lacked was political association - a not insignificant one but one which they are finding again.

Today, Cubans have far more freedom than they did at the start of the Revolution.  A fact that most critics of Fidel and the Fidelistas refuse to achnowledge, preferring to paint the regime as the blackest of totalitarian, 1984 like, worse than the DPRK even.   What is required is balance and that is sadly lacking from most of the criticism of the Fidelistas.  Sure they had their problems but it must be acknowledged they had their successes as well.  Are you prepared to do that?   Roll Eyes



I agree with most of this, except the claim that there was no prostitution. Rather there was much less prostitution -  it's not called the oldest profession for nothing.. Wink

I would like any critics of the Castro regime to explain to me how the Cuban people were better off under the rule of Batista.  Not just individuals or special interest groups, but the people as a whole......Anyone?
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Reply #112 - Nov 29th, 2016 at 8:47am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 28th, 2016 at 9:44pm:
Gordon wrote on Nov 28th, 2016 at 6:44pm:
Rife with capitalism? You make it sound like a bad thing.  Grin


Unfetted, it's like a disease.  Unregulated capitalism leads to suffering of the worst kind for the majority of the population, Gordon.

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Brian, I dealt with Govt departments and Govt owned 'private' companies and I can tell you, the Govt was an embugerance on every thing it touched. You could say it had the fecal touch.
Anything that was good about this country was done by entrepreneurs who got off their arse an used their ingenuity.


Gee, let me guess, it was Vietnam or China, right?  Neither are Communist, except in name, something you appear unwilling to acknowledge.  Neither has been Communist in the true sense of the word.

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Eye roll as much as you like, but I lived in a Commo country for 4 years, have you?


Nope.  Never claimed to have.   Personally, I prefer Socialism over Communism.   I suspect you won't understand the difference so I won't bother attempting to explain it to you.    Roll Eyes


You're a smug little prick eh?

When you've lived in a country with a communist apparatus, socialist ideals and a free market engine that supports the first two, come give me your thoughts. Until then, go and roll your eyes like a Valley Girl.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #113 - Nov 29th, 2016 at 9:34am
 
Marla wrote on Nov 29th, 2016 at 7:28am:
The late Comrade Castro, May Allah put peace upon his soul, did not represent a nationalist bourgeois approach to revolution and socialism. Comrade Castro was an essential force to export the socialist revolution to all developing countries in Asia, Africa, and Latin America.

His movement represented the fighting force for the proletariat and the exploited peasants. The capitalist domination has been defeated by a revolutionary uprising and people power; otherwise, capitalists do not give up their power to the working people.



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Reply #114 - Nov 29th, 2016 at 10:58pm
 
Gordon wrote on Nov 29th, 2016 at 8:47am:
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 28th, 2016 at 9:44pm:
Gordon wrote on Nov 28th, 2016 at 6:44pm:
Rife with capitalism? You make it sound like a bad thing.  Grin


Unfetted, it's like a disease.  Unregulated capitalism leads to suffering of the worst kind for the majority of the population, Gordon.

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Anything that was good about this country was done by entrepreneurs who got off their arse an used their ingenuity.


Gee, let me guess, it was Vietnam or China, right?  Neither are Communist, except in name, something you appear unwilling to acknowledge.  Neither has been Communist in the true sense of the word.

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Eye roll as much as you like, but I lived in a Commo country for 4 years, have you?


Nope.  Never claimed to have.   Personally, I prefer Socialism over Communism.   I suspect you won't understand the difference so I won't bother attempting to explain it to you.    Roll Eyes


You're a smug little prick eh?

When you've lived in a country with a communist apparatus, socialist ideals and a free market engine that supports the first two, come give me your thoughts. Until then, go and roll your eyes like a Valley Girl.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


You do enjoy using ad hominem insults to make your argument, don't you?  You do realise that indicates you've lost the argument?    Roll Eyes
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Reply #115 - Nov 29th, 2016 at 10:59pm
 
Belgarion wrote on Nov 29th, 2016 at 7:46am:
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 28th, 2016 at 9:40pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Nov 28th, 2016 at 6:42pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 28th, 2016 at 6:00pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Nov 28th, 2016 at 5:39pm:
Im enjoying watching you applaud communism and communist dictators. It would be difficult to be more discredited if you tried.


I'm not "applauding" anything other than it's successes.  I am quite willing to acknowledge it's failures as well, longweekend.  I am, unlike most, attempting to be fair.  As I keep pointing out, Castro was an excellent revolutionary but a failure as a government leader.  He had his advantages and his disadvantages.


You dont seem to be talking too much about its very, very long list of failures including the effective absence of freedom.  Why dont you talk about that just for a change. And Cubans only have very limited access to internet and it is in PUBLIC where they can be monitored.

Freedom. Look it up. Cuba doesnt know what it means.


Freedom is relative at the best, Longweekend.  Cubans under Castro were freer than they were under Batista.  Batista was a failed real-estate agent from Daytona Florida (a career he returned to after he left Havana).   He was also a thug and in the pocket of the Mafia (primarily from New York).   If you spoke out against Batista you either "disappeared" or were killed in the street.   If you weren't one of the ruling oligarchy, you weren't allowed to learn how to read or attend school.  If you were female and poor and pretty you invariably ended up as a prostitute.   There was no chance to advance yourself or you family.  You were too poor to own land and invariably starved.  There was little freedom of speech, association and political belief.

Under Castro, schools were free, medical care was free, there was no prostitution, the Mafia owned gambling joints were either closed down or nationalised.   You were taught to read and educated.  Medical care was free.   Cubans in the sugar industry controlled and advanced.   Cubans were proud to be Cubans, whether black, white or in between.  What freedoms did they lack?  They had freedom of speech, freedom of association, freedom of religion.  They had freedom of movement within Cuba and could even leave Cuba if they could afford the exit visa.   The only real freedom they lacked was political association - a not insignificant one but one which they are finding again.

Today, Cubans have far more freedom than they did at the start of the Revolution.  A fact that most critics of Fidel and the Fidelistas refuse to achnowledge, preferring to paint the regime as the blackest of totalitarian, 1984 like, worse than the DPRK even.   What is required is balance and that is sadly lacking from most of the criticism of the Fidelistas.  Sure they had their problems but it must be acknowledged they had their successes as well.  Are you prepared to do that?   Roll Eyes



I agree with most of this, except the claim that there was no prostitution. Rather there was much less prostitution -  it's not called the oldest profession for nothing.. Wink

I would like any critics of the Castro regime to explain to me how the Cuban people were better off under the rule of Batista.  Not just individuals or special interest groups, but the people as a whole......Anyone?


This may help them:

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Reply #116 - Nov 29th, 2016 at 11:56pm
 
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Its time wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 4:01pm:



A 'legend' who never once asked his people what they thought of him at the ballot box.

Some legend.




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Oh...he cured HIV eh ??  Wink

Up until 1993 Cubans who were HIV positive, which included many men who have sex with men, were put in quarantines that one World Health Organisation official said were nothing more than “pretty prisons”.

According to a Human Rights Watch report, “the government [in 1997] … heightened harassment of homosexuals, raiding several nightclubs known to have gay clientele and allegedly beating and detaining dozens of patrons.”

Reports say those who visited LGBT venues and meeting places were arrested, fined, or threatened with imprisonment and even beaten up by police officers up until the late ’90s.
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Reply #118 - Nov 30th, 2016 at 6:39am
 
WOW. Anyone supporting anything Castro did after the revolution is on the wrong side of history.

https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2016/country-chapters/cuba
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Oh...he cured HIV eh ??  Wink


That wasn't what was claimed, fool.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Gordon wrote on Nov 30th, 2016 at 6:36am:
Oh...he cured HIV eh ??  Wink


That wasn't what was claimed, fool.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Hence the wink.
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Brian Ross wrote on Nov 30th, 2016 at 11:41pm:
Gordon wrote on Nov 30th, 2016 at 6:36am:
Oh...he cured HIV eh ??  Wink


That wasn't what was claimed, fool.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Hence the wink.
Do you like the way HIV control was maintained in Cuba?



Nope but I can appreciate their problem with the disease, much more than you can it seems.  As I have maintained, Cuba is not a paradise, it is a society in flux like everywhere.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #124 - Dec 1st, 2016 at 3:47pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 1st, 2016 at 3:30pm:
Gordon wrote on Dec 1st, 2016 at 7:34am:
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 30th, 2016 at 11:41pm:
Gordon wrote on Nov 30th, 2016 at 6:36am:
Oh...he cured HIV eh ??  Wink


That wasn't what was claimed, fool.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Hence the wink.
Do you like the way HIV control was maintained in Cuba?



Nope but I can appreciate their problem with the disease, much more than you can it seems.  As I have maintained, Cuba is not a paradise, it is a society in flux like everywhere.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


You listed HIV control as a wonderful achievement of Castro but you didn't do your homework as you didn't realise it was done by jailing gays regardless of their HIV status.  Just chalk this one up as a whoopsey.
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Reply #125 - Dec 1st, 2016 at 4:37pm
 
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Brian Ross wrote on Dec 1st, 2016 at 3:30pm:
Gordon wrote on Dec 1st, 2016 at 7:34am:
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 30th, 2016 at 11:41pm:
Gordon wrote on Nov 30th, 2016 at 6:36am:
Oh...he cured HIV eh ??  Wink


That wasn't what was claimed, fool.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Hence the wink.
Do you like the way HIV control was maintained in Cuba?



Nope but I can appreciate their problem with the disease, much more than you can it seems.  As I have maintained, Cuba is not a paradise, it is a society in flux like everywhere.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


You listed HIV control as a wonderful achievement of Castro but you didn't do your homework as you didn't realise it was done by jailing gays regardless of their HIV status.  Just chalk this one up as a whoopsey.



Actually, I didn't list anything.  I merely provided a link to a graphic which claimed it.  I wasn't avoiding any homework, I knew what the Cubans had done about HIV, well before you even heard of Fidel Castro and his merry band of revolutionaries.   I was neither agreeing nor disagreeing with it, merely quoting it.   That they prevented the transmission of HIV from mother to baby was quite an accomplishment (which BTW is the only mention of HIV in that graphic), considering that the rest of the world was either ignoring the HIV problem (as in the USA) or wondering what they could do about it (rest of the Western world).   Roll Eyes
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Reply #126 - Dec 1st, 2016 at 4:45pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 1st, 2016 at 4:37pm:
Gordon wrote on Dec 1st, 2016 at 3:47pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 1st, 2016 at 3:30pm:
Gordon wrote on Dec 1st, 2016 at 7:34am:
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 30th, 2016 at 11:41pm:
Gordon wrote on Nov 30th, 2016 at 6:36am:
Oh...he cured HIV eh ??  Wink


That wasn't what was claimed, fool.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Hence the wink.
Do you like the way HIV control was maintained in Cuba?



Nope but I can appreciate their problem with the disease, much more than you can it seems.  As I have maintained, Cuba is not a paradise, it is a society in flux like everywhere.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


You listed HIV control as a wonderful achievement of Castro but you didn't do your homework as you didn't realise it was done by jailing gays regardless of their HIV status.  Just chalk this one up as a whoopsey.



Actually, I didn't list anything.  I merely provided a link to a graphic which claimed it.  I wasn't avoiding any homework, I knew what the Cubans had done about HIV, well before you even heard of Fidel Castro and his merry band of revolutionaries.   I was neither agreeing nor disagreeing with it, merely quoting it.   That they prevented the transmission of HIV from mother to baby was quite an accomplishment (which BTW is the only mention of HIV in that graphic), considering that the rest of the world was either ignoring the HIV problem (as in the USA) or wondering what they could do about it (rest of the Western world).   Roll Eyes


Back to being smug again. Cool.

Tell you what, why don't you go live in a country with a communist Govt for 4 year as I have, and witness first hand the worried looks and suddenly hushed tones when a forbidden topic is broached.

Until then, you're just a load of hot air.

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Reply #127 - Dec 1st, 2016 at 4:59pm
 
Gordon wrote on Dec 1st, 2016 at 4:45pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 1st, 2016 at 4:37pm:
Gordon wrote on Dec 1st, 2016 at 3:47pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 1st, 2016 at 3:30pm:
Gordon wrote on Dec 1st, 2016 at 7:34am:
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 30th, 2016 at 11:41pm:
Gordon wrote on Nov 30th, 2016 at 6:36am:
Oh...he cured HIV eh ??  Wink


That wasn't what was claimed, fool.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Hence the wink.
Do you like the way HIV control was maintained in Cuba?



Nope but I can appreciate their problem with the disease, much more than you can it seems.  As I have maintained, Cuba is not a paradise, it is a society in flux like everywhere.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


You listed HIV control as a wonderful achievement of Castro but you didn't do your homework as you didn't realise it was done by jailing gays regardless of their HIV status.  Just chalk this one up as a whoopsey.



Actually, I didn't list anything.  I merely provided a link to a graphic which claimed it.  I wasn't avoiding any homework, I knew what the Cubans had done about HIV, well before you even heard of Fidel Castro and his merry band of revolutionaries.   I was neither agreeing nor disagreeing with it, merely quoting it.   That they prevented the transmission of HIV from mother to baby was quite an accomplishment (which BTW is the only mention of HIV in that graphic), considering that the rest of the world was either ignoring the HIV problem (as in the USA) or wondering what they could do about it (rest of the Western world).   Roll Eyes


Back to being smug again. Cool.

Tell you what, why don't you go live in a country with a communist Govt for 4 year as I have, and witness first hand the worried looks and suddenly hushed tones when a forbidden topic is broached.

Until then, you're just a load of hot air.

It's OK, defend Castro and his death squads, it means we have you pegged.


As we have discussed this before - no nation has implemented a communist system as described by Mr. K. Marx, so I am unsure which country you're talking about.   If it is Vietnam or China, I can't think of two nations further from what Mr. Marx described.

Being totalitarian does not make a nation Communist, Gordon.   Something you'd well know if you had ever studied politics - which I doubt.     Roll Eyes
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Reply #128 - Dec 1st, 2016 at 5:08pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 1st, 2016 at 4:59pm:
Gordon wrote on Dec 1st, 2016 at 4:45pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 1st, 2016 at 4:37pm:
Gordon wrote on Dec 1st, 2016 at 3:47pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 1st, 2016 at 3:30pm:
Gordon wrote on Dec 1st, 2016 at 7:34am:
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 30th, 2016 at 11:41pm:
Gordon wrote on Nov 30th, 2016 at 6:36am:
Oh...he cured HIV eh ??  Wink


That wasn't what was claimed, fool.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Hence the wink.
Do you like the way HIV control was maintained in Cuba?



Nope but I can appreciate their problem with the disease, much more than you can it seems.  As I have maintained, Cuba is not a paradise, it is a society in flux like everywhere.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


You listed HIV control as a wonderful achievement of Castro but you didn't do your homework as you didn't realise it was done by jailing gays regardless of their HIV status.  Just chalk this one up as a whoopsey.



Actually, I didn't list anything.  I merely provided a link to a graphic which claimed it.  I wasn't avoiding any homework, I knew what the Cubans had done about HIV, well before you even heard of Fidel Castro and his merry band of revolutionaries.   I was neither agreeing nor disagreeing with it, merely quoting it.   That they prevented the transmission of HIV from mother to baby was quite an accomplishment (which BTW is the only mention of HIV in that graphic), considering that the rest of the world was either ignoring the HIV problem (as in the USA) or wondering what they could do about it (rest of the Western world).   Roll Eyes


Back to being smug again. Cool.

Tell you what, why don't you go live in a country with a communist Govt for 4 year as I have, and witness first hand the worried looks and suddenly hushed tones when a forbidden topic is broached.

Until then, you're just a load of hot air.

It's OK, defend Castro and his death squads, it means we have you pegged.


As we have discussed this before - no nation has implemented a communist system as described by Mr. K. Marx, so I am unsure which country you're talking about.   If it is Vietnam or China, I can't think of two nations further from what Mr. Marx described.

Being totalitarian does not make a nation Communist, Gordon.   Something you'd well know if you had ever studied politics - which I doubt.     Roll Eyes


Yet every Govt that's gone down the communist path is totalitarian. The reason you can't enact pure communism is because it's against human nature.
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Must burn Brian that even with barbed wire and manned machine guns keeping people from voting with their feet communism still failed. 

For anyone who wasn't a fool it might lead them to reassess their assumptions about a workers paradise instead of retreating into exonerating tropes. And here's an eye roll for you, you must be close to running out.  Roll Eyes
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Reply #130 - Dec 1st, 2016 at 7:16pm
 
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Yet every Govt that's gone down the communist path is totalitarian.


To some degree, I agree.  However, some are less totalitarian than others.  As I have pointed out, totalitarianism does not necessarily equate to Communism (in the true sense).

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Perhaps or could it be that man simply isn't up to being Communist.

Considering that early Christians held their chattels in common and acted as if they were Communist, seems to indicate some people can do it, if they desire.

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Reply #131 - Dec 1st, 2016 at 7:18pm
 
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Must burn Brian that even with barbed wire and manned machine guns keeping people from voting with their feet communism still failed. 


As I keep pointing out, Communism hasn't been tried.  You're mistaking labels for fact, Secret Wars.  A not unusual circumstance for those that don't understand the difference.

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Reply #132 - Dec 1st, 2016 at 7:36pm
 
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Secret Wars wrote on Dec 1st, 2016 at 5:12pm:
Must burn Brian that even with barbed wire and manned machine guns keeping people from voting with their feet communism still failed. 


As I keep pointing out, Communism hasn't been tried.  You're mistaking labels for fact, Secret Wars.  A not unusual circumstance for those that don't understand the difference.

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Oh, it appears you're not aware of the difference.  What a shame.    Roll Eyes


As you keep saying?  You dope, I said it before you did. I know communism never advanced to its last level but that was not for lack of trying.  You think it's a new excuse?  Do you even know what a trope is?

Old communists like you have been making that same excuse,  you just cannot stand that your ideology has crashed and burned and contributed nothing but impoverishment and misery wherever it has been attempted. 

Your religion has been found wanting, the promised land never happened. Every time the whole sorry sad and deadly mess imploded. 
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Reply #133 - Dec 1st, 2016 at 7:42pm
 
Secret Wars wrote on Dec 1st, 2016 at 7:36pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 1st, 2016 at 7:18pm:
Secret Wars wrote on Dec 1st, 2016 at 5:12pm:
Must burn Brian that even with barbed wire and manned machine guns keeping people from voting with their feet communism still failed. 


As I keep pointing out, Communism hasn't been tried.  You're mistaking labels for fact, Secret Wars.  A not unusual circumstance for those that don't understand the difference.

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Oh, it appears you're not aware of the difference.  What a shame.    Roll Eyes


As you keep saying?  You dope, I said it before you did. I know communism never advanced to its last level but that was not for lack of trying.  You think it's a new excuse?  Do you even know what a trope is?

Old communists like you have been making that same excuse,  you just cannot stand that your ideology has crashed and burned and contributed nothing but impoverishment and misery wherever it has been attempted. 

Your religion has been found wanting, the promised land never happened. Every time the whole sorry sad and deadly mess imploded. 


Communisims biggest enemy is human DNA and our desire for each individuals desire for theirs to succeed above others.

It seems to work in a tight family unit but with every degree of separation it has less chance.
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Brian Ross wrote on Dec 1st, 2016 at 7:18pm:
Secret Wars wrote on Dec 1st, 2016 at 5:12pm:
Must burn Brian that even with barbed wire and manned machine guns keeping people from voting with their feet communism still failed. 


As I keep pointing out, Communism hasn't been tried.  You're mistaking labels for fact, Secret Wars.  A not unusual circumstance for those that don't understand the difference.

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Oh, it appears you're not aware of the difference.  What a shame.    Roll Eyes


As you keep saying?  You dope, I said it before you did. I know communism never advanced to its last level but that was not for lack of trying.  You think it's a new excuse?  Do you even know what a trope is?

Old communists like you have been making that same excuse,  you just cannot stand that your ideology has crashed and burned and contributed nothing but impoverishment and misery wherever it has been attempted. 

Your religion has been found wanting, the promised land never happened. Every time the whole sorry sad and deadly mess imploded. 



*SIGH*, if I had a dollar for each time I've been accused of being a "Communist", I'd be a millionaire.   I've never been one nor have ever professed to being one, old man.   Nor am I a Muslim.  I have no religion, I am an agnostic.  Your insults are really very silly, you realise?    Roll Eyes
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Castro in the back room of The Grapes in 1955

The death of former Cuban president Fidel Castro this week, brought back memories of happier times for 90 year old Dalton man Arthur Cox.

Arthur was landlord of The Grapes pub in Dalton in the 1950’s, and remembers a young Fidel Castro  booking into the pub on a bed and breakfast basis. He says that Castro was visiting the area on a totally undocumented  trip to study worker-management relations in the local coal industry for an early political project. Arthur recalls that Castro came into the bar most evenings where he smoked  fat cigars, drank mild and played a mean game of ‘arrars.’  “His English was pretty good,” recalled Arthur, ” which is just as well because my Cuban’s rubbish.”

“There was never any mention of revolution, communism or the overthrow of capitalism” said Arthur “ so all of that came as a bit of a surprise. He just wanted to talk about  football, women, and why the Yorkshire board didn’t have a treble ring.”

Arthur is very specific about when Castro paid his visit to The Grapes. It was the week of June 7th 1955 he said. “I know that because it was a few days before  Elvis Presley walked in on spec looking for board and lodgings. He didn’t have enough money and so did 20 minutes in the tap side to pay for a steak and kidney pie. He were crap and walked off to the sound of his own footsteps, but you don’t forget something like that.”
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Brian Ross wrote on Dec 1st, 2016 at 8:04pm:
*SIGH*, if I had a dollar for each time I've been accused of being a "Communist", I'd be a millionaire.   I've never been one nor have ever professed to being one, old man.   Nor am I a Muslim.  I have no religion, I am an agnostic.  Your insults are really very silly, you realise?    Roll Eyes



You are just a squishy, spineless apologist for the widest spectrum of repressive, oppressive, anti-human ideologies - from communism to Islam.
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*SIGH*, if I had a dollar for each time I've been accused of being a "Communist", I'd be a millionaire.   I've never been one nor have ever professed to being one, old man.   Nor am I a Muslim.  I have no religion, I am an agnostic.  Your insults are really very silly, you realise?    Roll Eyes


You are just a squishy, spineless apologist for the widest spectrum of repressive, oppressive, anti-human ideologies - from communism to Islam.


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You do like using ad hominem insults, don't you, Frank?  All they indicate is that you cannot argue the issues.  You're like a little schoolboy who has been thrown out of the big kids' playground by the big kids.   Don't you think it's time you grew up?    Roll Eyes
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The Day Fidel Castro Came To Rotherham
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Castro in the back room of The Grapes in 1955

The death of former Cuban president Fidel Castro this week, brought back memories of happier times for 90 year old Dalton man Arthur Cox.

Arthur was landlord of The Grapes pub in Dalton in the 1950’s, and remembers a young Fidel Castro  booking into the pub on a bed and breakfast basis. He says that Castro was visiting the area on a totally undocumented  trip to study worker-management relations in the local coal industry for an early political project. Arthur recalls that Castro came into the bar most evenings where he smoked  fat cigars, drank mild and played a mean game of ‘arrars.’  “His English was pretty good,” recalled Arthur, ” which is just as well because my Cuban’s rubbish.”

“There was never any mention of revolution, communism or the overthrow of capitalism” said Arthur “ so all of that came as a bit of a surprise. He just wanted to talk about  football, women, and why the Yorkshire board didn’t have a treble ring.”

Arthur is very specific about when Castro paid his visit to The Grapes. It was the week of June 7th 1955 he said. “I know that because it was a few days before  Elvis Presley walked in on spec looking for board and lodgings. He didn’t have enough money and so did 20 minutes in the tap side to pay for a steak and kidney pie. He were crap and walked off to the sound of his own footsteps, but you don’t forget something like that.”



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We decided to launch The Rotherham Bugle after identifying a fundamental problem with other news based media covering  the South Yorkshire area – they are restricted by a requirement that they stick to reporting on things that actually happened. And here’s the problem with that –  what actually happened tends to be boring.

And so from the very start, we made an editorial decision to give facts a back seat. Yes, you may find a grain of truth hidden away somewhere, but it’s more by accident than design. If you do find something that’s true, don’t judge us too harshly. Anyone can make mistakes.

Our primary focus is on stuff that  we’d have liked to happen, had a story taken a more interesting turn. They’re the sort of things that might occur to you in the bath, on the bog or while sitting in your car waiting for the sodding lights to change at Whiston Crossroads.  Any similarity between the style and content of our stories and those featured in mainstream media, is purely intentional.

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What's the proper counter-argument in response to a squishy bedwetting ninny like you who pretends to yawn when the hard facts are pointed out to him?


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and the link is there with the pic, you snivelling ninny.


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Frank wrote on Dec 3rd, 2016 at 8:11am:
The Day Fidel Castro Came To Rotherham
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Castro in the back room of The Grapes in 1955

The death of former Cuban president Fidel Castro this week, brought back memories of happier times for 90 year old Dalton man Arthur Cox.

Arthur was landlord of The Grapes pub in Dalton in the 1950’s, and remembers a young Fidel Castro  booking into the pub on a bed and breakfast basis. He says that Castro was visiting the area on a totally undocumented  trip to study worker-management relations in the local coal industry for an early political project. Arthur recalls that Castro came into the bar most evenings where he smoked  fat cigars, drank mild and played a mean game of ‘arrars.’  “His English was pretty good,” recalled Arthur, ” which is just as well because my Cuban’s rubbish.”

“There was never any mention of revolution, communism or the overthrow of capitalism” said Arthur “ so all of that came as a bit of a surprise. He just wanted to talk about  football, women, and why the Yorkshire board didn’t have a treble ring.”

Arthur is very specific about when Castro paid his visit to The Grapes. It was the week of June 7th 1955 he said. “I know that because it was a few days before  Elvis Presley walked in on spec looking for board and lodgings. He didn’t have enough money and so did 20 minutes in the tap side to pay for a steak and kidney pie. He were crap and walked off to the sound of his own footsteps, but you don’t forget something like that.”



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We decided to launch The Rotherham Bugle after identifying a fundamental problem with other news based media covering  the South Yorkshire area – they are restricted by a requirement that they stick to reporting on things that actually happened. And here’s the problem with that –  what actually happened tends to be boring.

And so from the very start, we made an editorial decision to give facts a back seat. Yes, you may find a grain of truth hidden away somewhere, but it’s more by accident than design. If you do find something that’s true, don’t judge us too harshly. Anyone can make mistakes.

Our primary focus is on stuff that  we’d have liked to happen, had a story taken a more interesting turn. They’re the sort of things that might occur to you in the bath, on the bog or while sitting in your car waiting for the sodding lights to change at Whiston Crossroads.  Any similarity between the style and content of our stories and those featured in mainstream media, is purely intentional.

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You silly, snivelling git.

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What's the proper counter-argument in response to a squishy bedwetting ninny like you who pretends to yawn when the hard facts are pointed out to him?


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Re: RIP Mr Castro
Reply #144 - Dec 3rd, 2016 at 6:14pm
 
Frank wrote on Dec 3rd, 2016 at 5:42pm:
and the link is there with the pic, you snivelling ninny.


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Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour.  Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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