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Parents charged after toddler shot by four-year-old cousin in Philadelphia, US and the Baron, Panther, all the other gun nuts tell us there is nothing to fear from unregulated firearms ownership!   Roll Eyes
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Reply #1 - Nov 26th, 2016 at 2:10pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 1:51pm:
Parents charged after toddler shot by four-year-old cousin in Philadelphia, US and the Baron, Panther, all the other gun nuts tell us there is nothing to fear from unregulated firearms ownership!   Roll Eyes



Pennsylvania does not have unregulated firearms ownership. Bullsh1t is not a good start for an opening posts.


But pretty much mandatory for an anti- gun hysteric.  Smiley Smiley
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Reply #2 - Nov 26th, 2016 at 2:11pm
 
BigOl64 wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 2:10pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 1:51pm:
Parents charged after toddler shot by four-year-old cousin in Philadelphia, US and the Baron, Panther, all the other gun nuts tell us there is nothing to fear from unregulated firearms ownership!   Roll Eyes



Pennsylvania does not have unregulated firearms ownership. Bullsh1t is not a good start for an opening posts.


But pretty much mandatory for an anti- gun hysteric.  Smiley Smiley


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Reply #3 - Nov 26th, 2016 at 3:09pm
 
BigOl64 wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 2:10pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 1:51pm:
Parents charged after toddler shot by four-year-old cousin in Philadelphia, US and the Baron, Panther, all the other gun nuts tell us there is nothing to fear from unregulated firearms ownership!   Roll Eyes


Pennsylvania does not have unregulated firearms ownership. Bullsh1t is not a good start for an opening posts.


I wasn't claiming it did.  What is evident from the US is that not that it has insufficient regulation but that it has too much, which isn't enforced and which is patchy across their nation, rather than coming from a federal level.   I have often suggested that it would be better to actually enforce the regulations they do have than ignore them as many law-enforcement officers (note they are not always professional police but are elected officials) do.

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But pretty much mandatory for an anti- gun hysteric.  Smiley Smiley


And whom would that be?   You really are a fool, you realise?  I've been debating gun nuts now for over 20+ years online.  Hysteria is something they specialise in.    Roll Eyes
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Reply #4 - Nov 27th, 2016 at 1:05am
 
I opened the link and the first thing I noticed is that they don't look like anyone from my neighborhood.

When I was a small child the schools would punish everyone for the actions of a few or one. I am no longer a small child and do not react well to anyone who would punish me for the actions of others!

There are severe penalties for people who leave unsecured firearms that lead to a tragedy. If the Law is enforced.
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Mortdooley wrote on Nov 27th, 2016 at 1:05am:
I opened the link and the first thing I noticed is that they don't look like anyone from my neighborhood.

When I was a small child the schools would punish everyone for the actions of a few or one. I am no longer a small child and do not react well to anyone who would punish me for the actions of others!

There are severe penalties for people who leave unsecured firearms that lead to a tragedy. If the Law is enforced.


When I was IT admin at a school I took it to the principle when I saw this behaviour from a teacher. "You realise what some of your teachers are doing is against the Geneva Convention?"
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Reply #6 - Nov 27th, 2016 at 5:32am
 
The Teachers I know say the children run the class room because the school no longer has any ability to discipline the little monsters.
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Reply #7 - Nov 27th, 2016 at 2:23pm
 
Setanta wrote on Nov 27th, 2016 at 1:27am:
Mortdooley wrote on Nov 27th, 2016 at 1:05am:
I opened the link and the first thing I noticed is that they don't look like anyone from my neighborhood.

When I was a small child the schools would punish everyone for the actions of a few or one. I am no longer a small child and do not react well to anyone who would punish me for the actions of others!

There are severe penalties for people who leave unsecured firearms that lead to a tragedy. If the Law is enforced.


When I was IT admin at a school I took it to the principle when I saw this behaviour from a teacher. "You realise what some of your teachers are doing is against the Geneva Convention?"


Which one?  There are IIRC four such "conventions".  Nor should it be noted are any of the four actually applicable to civilian society in times of peace.  So, what ever the teacher was doing was neither illegal nor immoral IMHO.   If the little buggers don't own up, then punishing the lot will catch them.   Roll Eyes
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Reply #8 - Nov 27th, 2016 at 2:24pm
 
Mortdooley wrote on Nov 27th, 2016 at 5:32am:
The Teachers I know say the children run the class room because the school no longer has any ability to discipline the little monsters.


The Teachers I know say the reverse.  They run the classroom.   I'd suggest that perhaps the Teachers you know need to grow a backbone and exercise their authority?   Roll Eyes
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Reply #9 - Dec 3rd, 2016 at 1:39am
 
I suggest you don't realize how fast bad parents will sue and how quick the Courts are to side against the schools.
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Reply #10 - Dec 3rd, 2016 at 2:10pm
 
Mortdooley wrote on Dec 3rd, 2016 at 1:39am:
I suggest you don't realize how fast bad parents will sue and how quick the Courts are to side against the schools.


They can try and sue but most suits will be thrown out of court in Australia.  Teachers hold the authority in the classroom, not the students.  Parents, bad or otherwise need to realise that.   Roll Eyes
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Reply #11 - Dec 3rd, 2016 at 8:27pm
 
BigOl64 wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 2:10pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 1:51pm:
Parents charged after toddler shot by four-year-old cousin in Philadelphia, US and the Baron, Panther, all the other gun nuts tell us there is nothing to fear from unregulated firearms ownership!   Roll Eyes



Pennsylvania does not have unregulated firearms ownership. Bullsh1t is not a good start for an opening posts.


But pretty much mandatory for an anti- gun hysteric.  Smiley Smiley


Neatly sidestepping the mindset that allows a 4 year old to shoot a toddler though ?
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Mortdooley wrote on Nov 27th, 2016 at 1:05am:
I opened the link and the first thing I noticed is that they don't look like anyone from my neighborhood.

When I was a small child the schools would punish everyone for the actions of a few or one. I am no longer a small child and do not react well to anyone who would punish me for the actions of others!

There are severe penalties for people who leave unsecured firearms that lead to a tragedy. If the Law is enforced.



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Reply #13 - Dec 5th, 2016 at 9:44am
 
Dnarever wrote on Dec 3rd, 2016 at 8:29pm:
Mortdooley wrote on Nov 27th, 2016 at 1:05am:
I opened the link and the first thing I noticed is that they don't look like anyone from my neighborhood.

When I was a small child the schools would punish everyone for the actions of a few or one. I am no longer a small child and do not react well to anyone who would punish me for the actions of others!

There are severe penalties for people who leave unsecured firearms that lead to a tragedy. If the Law is enforced.



Yes you should always shut the gate after the horse has left.



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Reply #14 - Dec 5th, 2016 at 9:56am
 
Dnarever wrote on Dec 3rd, 2016 at 8:27pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 2:10pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 1:51pm:
Parents charged after toddler shot by four-year-old cousin in Philadelphia, US and the Baron, Panther, all the other gun nuts tell us there is nothing to fear from unregulated firearms ownership!   Roll Eyes



Pennsylvania does not have unregulated firearms ownership. Bullsh1t is not a good start for an opening posts.


But pretty much mandatory for an anti- gun hysteric.  Smiley Smiley


Neatly sidestepping the mindset that allows a 4 year old to shoot a toddler though ?



No just pointing out there are regulations and those idiots will be charged because they failed to comply with those regulations.

They have the same problem we used to have, morons / lunatics with guns. Separate those from each other and gun violence plummets, even with semi autos in play.

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Reply #15 - Dec 5th, 2016 at 10:26am
 
Dnarever wrote on Dec 3rd, 2016 at 8:27pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 2:10pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 1:51pm:
Parents charged after toddler shot by four-year-old cousin in Philadelphia, US and the Baron, Panther, all the other gun nuts tell us there is nothing to fear from unregulated firearms ownership!   Roll Eyes



Pennsylvania does not have unregulated firearms ownership. Bullsh1t is not a good start for an opening posts.


But pretty much mandatory for an anti- gun hysteric.  Smiley Smiley


Neatly sidestepping the mindset that allows a 4 year old to shoot a toddler though ?


Leaving a firearm out so a toddler could have access is just plain stupid....we all surely agree.

But in the end we can't legislate stupid out of the beings called parents, making them the models of proper supervision.


Life happens.....intentionally or not, regardless of regulations, or none.


The toddler that walks along the fallen tree on the banks of the Murray River, & despite her mothers frantic cries, she slips & falls in.......

The toddler waiting for his father to walk up the street as he does every day when he comes home from work, runs to cuddle him not looking at all when running so joyously he crosses that busy intersection against the red signal.......

The toddler on the train platform, holding her mother's hand waiting for the train, leans over the edge ever so slightly as her little hand slips.......

The toddler, scissors in hand, running to show Nana the pretty picture he just cut out for her, trips over that little toy......

I could go on with dozens & dozens more, but you've hopefully already gotten the picture.

The world is truly a dangerous place......with or without guns, & against our best crafted wishes or regulations, life will happen irregardless.

In America, it's all contained within the broad spectrum of Liberty.....life will happen.....happy or sad.....good or bad.

Freedom holds no promises of happiness, just the simple pursuit of ones happiness.

Life's story will happen, happily or tragically.......but, life will surely go on irregardless of
regulations, best wishes, or fondest desires.   Wink




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Good on America, we here in Oz live in reality.
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Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 5th, 2016 at 10:30am:
Good on America, we here in Oz live in reality.


And in line with the original post, in America they live with a sometimes starker version of reality....I'm sure the parent, or supervisory adult who left that firearm out, is living the most stark of all realities.

Anyone touched by that reality will not soon follow that stupid example when dealing with their firearms.

But, that said....life goes on............irregardless Wink
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Brian Ross wrote on Dec 5th, 2016 at 9:42pm:


... Great belly grabber Bwian......Glad he wasn't trained, otherwise the morgue would have had a busy day.........I doubt it was an assault rifle, probably just a common, off the shelf hunting rifle like the AR-15........... So life goes on, & this trivial little matter won't cause it to skip a beat. ...

BTW.....'allowed' is the wrong word.....firearms aren't 'allowed' in America......Firearms are an American Right.....not 'granted' or 'permitted' which both assume a governmental 'authorization' was somehow required in advance of ownership, but a Right simply acknowledged by the Peoples Second Amendment to their Constitution, as such a Right bestowed upon them by a 'Higher Authority' than government.
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Just one (1) of the estimated 900,000+ occurrences per year of a person exercising their Right to Self-Defense using a firearm in America, most of which don't end with a fatality, nor are reported by the media.



Louisville Mom Blasts Home Invader Into Oblivion With One Shot



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Two home invaders targeted the home of a Louisville (KY) woman who learned how to shoot a year and a half ago, and it was the last mistake one of them will ever make.


    It happened shortly after 3:30 p.m. at a home in the 3800 block of Northumberland Drive near Westport Road in the Worthington Hills area.

    LMPD says two men tried to break into a home at that location when a female homeowner shot and killed one of them.

    The man who died has been identified as 23-year-old Eric Gathwright. He died at 3:30 p.m. on the scene from a gunshot wound.

    He was found by police just outside the house, while the other was arrested shortly thereafter.

    The son of the homeowner described what happened between his mother and the attempted burglars.

    “They busted the back window out, and that’s when she stepped out of the hallway and let one shot go and hit somebody, and obviously she got him,” said Bruce Haddix, whose mother shot the man.


The other suspect, 23-year-old Aaron McDuffie, has been charged with burglary and with Gathwright’s death under Kentucky’s implementation of the felony murder rule.

Haddix said that his mother is shaken up by the incident, which is entirely understandable. Taking a life is never easy, even when it is more than likely justified as it appears to be in this instance.

It’s a good thing that Haddix’s mother heeded his advice a year and a half ago, learned how to use a gun, and then purchased one. If she hadn’t, we may have been reading about another kind of felony crime instead.



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Guns save more lives than they take; prevent more injuries than they inflict

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Concealed carry laws help reduce crime

C.
Criminals avoid armed citizens




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Panther wrote on Dec 6th, 2016 at 11:00am:
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https://i.imgsafe.org/f487d37.gif Great belly grabber Bwian......Glad he wasn't trained, otherwise the morgue would have had a busy day.........I doubt it was an assault rifle, probably just a common, off the shelf hunting rifle like the AR-15........... So life goes on, & this trivial little matter won't cause it to skip a beat. https://i.imgsafe.org/f487d37.gif

BTW.....'allowed' is the wrong word.....firearms aren't 'allowed' in America......Firearms are an American Right.....not 'granted' or 'permitted' which both assume a governmental 'authorization' was somehow required in advance of ownership, but a Right simply acknowledged by the Peoples Second Amendment to their Constitution, as such a Right bestowed upon them by a 'Higher Authority' than government.


Firearms may be a right but as to the type that a citizen is allowed, that is a different question.  I note that even the NRA accepts the regulation of fully-automatic firearms.  Therefore, it should be willing to accept the regulation of semi-automatic firearms.  Which is exactly the situation downunder.  Interesting that the NRA criticises our government for that regulation but it accepts it's own government's regulations...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Panther wrote on Dec 6th, 2016 at 12:21pm:
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Fact Sheet (link)
: Guns Save Lives




A.
Guns save more lives than they take; prevent more injuries than they inflict

B.
Concealed carry laws help reduce crime

C.
Criminals avoid armed citizens




https://i1.wp.com/www.infiniteunknown.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/GUN-CONTROL...

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-L5aC6UCFTcw/USv-GO310yI/AAAAAAAACXw/Pe_6VLb2MII/s1600/...


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My, what an interesting graphic.  Pity it is completely wrong about the dates for Pol Pot.   In 1956 IIRC he was a school teacher...   Roll Eyes

Mao also wasn't the leader of China until 1949, so I'm unsure which citizens he supposedly took their firearms away from...   Roll Eyes

In all cases of course, the citizens weren't defenceless, as their nations were awash with firearms, as they were involved either in civil or international wars.   History has never been a strong point for the NRA, has it?   Roll Eyes
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Brian Ross wrote on Dec 6th, 2016 at 10:43pm:
Panther wrote on Dec 6th, 2016 at 12:21pm:
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Fact Sheet (link)
: Guns Save Lives




A.
Guns save more lives than they take; prevent more injuries than they inflict

B.
Concealed carry laws help reduce crime

C.
Criminals avoid armed citizens




https://i1.wp.com/www.infiniteunknown.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/GUN-CONTROL...

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-L5aC6UCFTcw/USv-GO310yI/AAAAAAAACXw/Pe_6VLb2MII/s1600/...


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My, what an interesting graphic.  Pity it is completely wrong about the dates for Pol Pot.   In 1956 IIRC he was a school teacher...   Roll Eyes

Mao also wasn't the leader of China until 1949, so I'm unsure which citizens he supposedly took their firearms away from...   Roll Eyes

In all cases of course, the citizens weren't defenceless, as their nations were awash with firearms, as they were involved either in civil or international wars.   History has never been a strong point for the NRA, has it?   Roll Eyes


Awwwww paw, paw Bwian.....he's so offended by a year here or a year there.....the FACT is that these dictators did just what the graphic noted.......when their own people obediently, or not, turned over, willingly or not, their firearms as their government demanded/ordered, these dictators did slaughter millions upon millions of their own unarmed citizens.....peasants up against trained soldiers......how offended were you of that FACT, or would you just prefer to sidestep that FACTUAL message because it doesn't fit in with your personal gun less  'perfect world'  narrative?


How offended were you that after being nationally disarmed, these dictators slaughtered their own defenseless citizens??? Which offended you most.....the inaccuracy of the date provided, or the mass destruction of unarmed citizens.....or will you continue your lame argument that they were all still "awash with firearms"  & the millions upon millions of brutally murdered human beings, weren't defenseless.....they were quite capable of fighting back because they were "awash with firearms"???



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Reply #25 - Dec 7th, 2016 at 8:50am
 
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Fact Sheet (link)
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Concealed carry laws help reduce crime

C.
Criminals avoid armed citizens




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Speaking to the thread title of;

"The consequences of unregulated governments"




In a democracy, it is the people, who are always assumed to be the last 'check' against the excesses of a government.

But in all modern democracies,         we always find that those charged with governing on behalf of the people [i.e. with the authority that derives from the people],           are often the very group who seek to neuter every real power [to action] that the people still retain.



Dictionary
neuter = =
1 of or denoting a gender of nouns typically contrasting with masculine and feminine or common.
2 (of an animal) lacking developed sexual organs; castrated or spayed.



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Guns save more lives than they take; prevent more injuries than they inflict

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Concealed carry laws help reduce crime

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Criminals avoid armed citizens




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My, what an interesting graphic.  Pity it is completely wrong about the dates for Pol Pot.   In 1956 IIRC he was a school teacher...   Roll Eyes

Mao also wasn't the leader of China until 1949, so I'm unsure which citizens he supposedly took their firearms away from...   Roll Eyes

In all cases of course, the citizens weren't defenceless, as their nations were awash with firearms, as they were involved either in civil or international wars.   History has never been a strong point for the NRA, has it?   Roll Eyes


Awwwww paw, paw Bwian.....he's so offended by a year here or a year there.....the FACT is that these dictators did just what the graphic noted.......when their own people obediently, or not, turned over, willingly or not, their firearms as their government demanded/ordered, these dictators did slaughter millions upon millions of their own unarmed citizens.....peasants up against trained soldiers......how offended were you of that FACT, or would you just prefer to sidestep that FACTUAL message because it doesn't fit in with your personal gun less  'perfect world'  narrative?


I think a difference of more than a dozen or two dozen years between when these dictators gained power and when the NRA claims they gained power is rather significant, don't you?  I know I get a little offended when such ignorance is displayed as "knowledge" by the ignorant who could, with a flick of a few mouse clicks consult the internet and discover the truth, just so easily.    Roll Eyes

I also get a little offended when the situations facing the peoples that they ruled over is so easily dismissed, as you have attempted to do.  In nearly all those cases (Nazi Germany being the initial exception) those societies were in the midst of civil and international wars, their societies were awash with weaponry ranging up and including in some cases heavy artilllery - stuff which would make you wet your pants.   They were not "defenceless".  What they lacked was organisation.  Individuals with firearms could kill a few of those oh, so heartless fiends whom were supposedly "oppressing" them but not all of them.   Funny how that is never considered by the NRA, now isn't it?   Roll Eyes

Yes, those dictators killed millions, both of their own and other nationalities.  They shouldn't have done that but it appears, to them and the NRA, "power comes from the barrel of a gun," to misquote Mao.   In reality, what comes from the barrel of a gun is bullets.  Power is something people confer on their governments, through acquiescence or voting.   Roll Eyes

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How offended were you that after being nationally disarmed, these dictators slaughtered their own defenseless citizens??? Which offended you most.....the inaccuracy of the date provided, or the mass destruction of unarmed citizens.....or will you continue your lame argument that they were all still "awash with firearms"  & the millions upon millions of brutally murdered human beings, weren't defenseless.....they were quite capable of fighting back because they were "awash with firearms"???


I wasn't disarmed in the slightest, as I have never owned a firearm.   As I was an ex-member of the Australian Army as a youth, I had gained all I need from being in possession of weapons up to and including 81mm Mortars.   I had fired weapons you only dream about, I expect.  As all Australians still retain the privilege to purchase a firearm, I don't think Australian society had been "disarmed" in the slightest.  Indeed, we are informed there are more firearms in private possession than there were before Port Arthur.

Of course, I expect you write off the victims of such events as Port Arthur, Hoddle Street and so on as merely the bloody of patriots which was used to water the tree of liberty, right?  Innocents murdered by gun owners who should never have been trusted with the firearms they were.  How you ignore them...   Roll Eyes
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A while back, we wrote about an inane NBC Today Show segment that recommended homeowners rely on car keys and wasp spray to defend themselves against burglars and other home invaders. A former New York City detective counseled viewers to “buy a can of wasp hornet spray in the hardware store or the supermarket [and] keep it by your bedside or the floor… An intruder hit with the spray will be temporarily blinded.” If the spray didn’t do the trick, he advised homeowners to treat the criminal “like royalty” and cooperate fully.

Apart from the likelihood that using any registered pesticide in a manner inconsistent with its labeling would violate federal law, these products are not formulated for use as a human repellant and won’t work like mace or pepper spray.

Another curious strategy against home invasions and burglaries recently surfaced in England, where private possession of handguns is largely banned, other firearms are prohibited or tightly controlled, and where the right of self-defense has been progressively eroded. According to the Colchester Borough Council, “Defensive planting helps combat crime.” The Council has “joined forces with Essex Police and Poplar Nurseries to launch a Defensive Planting Initiative,” to advise residents and businesses on the “the best shrubs and other living barriers” to plant to deter access to a property and thereby reduce burglaries and other crimes.

The Chair of the Safer Colchester Partnership, Pam Donnelly, points out that “living barriers can be one of the best and most attractive ways of securing your home and property against crime. Although it can take some time for plants to grow, the end result really does justify the effort and should deter even the most determined burglar.” However, even this ultra-passive strategy comes with tendrils attached: local authority planning permission, if required, must be obtained, and the police advise the barriers should not leave the property owner “open to civil proceedings” from visitors and trespassers, as may be the case with vampire vines, strangling creepers, and man-eating trees.

Weighing the obstructive merits of a giant rhubarb (gunnera manicata) against those of a fuschia-flowered gooseberry (ribes speciosum) would be quaint but for the fact that the Brits have real cause for concern. Data from the Crime Survey for England and Wales (CSEW) indicates that almost 60 percent of burglaries of dwellings occurred when a resident or someone else was in the home; of those, the percentage where force or violence was threatened or used against the occupant has increased steadily since 2006. The latest CSEW statistics show that in burglaries where an occupant was present and saw the offender, the offender resorted to the use of force or another form of violent victimization in 41 percent of these crimes. The Colchester Borough Council’s website on crime warns that “burglars are breaking into houses while you sleep with the intention of finding your car keys, stealing your car and any other small items they find on the way,” and recommends hiding car keys in a noisy drawer – “but don’t take them up to the bedroom with you.”

Americans, with a constitutional right to armed self-defense and Castle Doctrine legislation in most states, don’t need to bother with cultivating a perimeter briar patch, and may hang their car keys off their bedposts with impunity. Unfortunately for those on the other side of the pond, keeping one’s family safe may mean a moat and drawbridge.



Somehow, I don't think planting shrubs to deter crime stands up to having a loaded AR15 at the bedside, poised & ready if the need arises.

Remember, the locks on the windows & doors are there to protect the home invader, not the homeowner. Wink

The NRA suggests joining an accredited gun club, learn how to use all types of firearms, train often on their use, & learn how to fire them safely & accurately, then buy one you're most comfortable with, & always be fully prepared for life's unexpected turn of events.

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Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 8th, 2016 at 9:32am:
Good to see the NRA having diversity in their vids.


If you, like BWian, see the NRA as the big, bad, enemy, then it will serve you better by knowing everything you can about the NRA.

As the saying goes....I'll paraphrase...."....hold your friends close, but your enemies closer...."


The NRA is quite multifaceted as you will see, as you continue to absorb the information.

Be aware though, you might just start to enjoy some of what you see. Wink

I added 3 more video's to that previous post, so feel free to chose whether you wish to watch more or not. Wink


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PRESCOTT – Gun ownership among women is up: a Gallup poll showed that 23 percent of women surveyed reported owning a gun in 2015, up from 13 percent in 2005.

“Women are one of the fastest-growing segments of the shooting sports business. Of the retailers surveyed over the last year or so, 70 percent have seen an increase in their business from women shooters,” said Don Grier, owner of Prescott Gun Club.

According to the National Shooting Sports Foundation, a trade group, 42 percent of women who own a gun own three of them.

And the National Rifle Foundation states that, in 2014, more than 13,000 women participated in its “Women on Target Instructional Shooting Clinics,” up from 500 in 2000.

What’s behind this growth?

In a word: empowerment.

“A lot of the ladies coming to us are coming specifically for personal protection,” said Sherrie Seibert, co-owner of Insight Firearms Training Center in Prescott Valley. “They want the independence of knowing they can protect themselves, and not have to depend on anybody else to protect them.”

The NRA’s Jason Brown agreed with that assessment.

“The feedback we receive is that a lot of women are just empowered by the idea of owning a firearm for self-defense, whether they have to use it for self-defense or not,” Brown said.........
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Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 8th, 2016 at 10:28am:
They aren't my enemy. They're just not sane.


So, in today's world you don't see an insane person, say carrying a knife, your potential enemy?  Shocked Cheesy Shocked

Your life insurance paid up.....how's your private hospital healthcare coverage? You wouldn't want to bleed out in a ward somewhere, would you?
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I don't think the American, "Panther", understands Medicare, Bojack.   It's "socialism" to him and shouldn't be trusted.

As to the NRA being "the enemy", they are only an enemy to freedom, truth and justice - the very things they proclaim are the "American way" (as the old Superman series used to proclaim).  They cannot accept that people in Australia don't want semi-automatic firearms in the way they apparently thirst for them.    Roll Eyes
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The Second Amendment:
The Right protecting ALL the other Unalienable Rights.




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.......The single most important reason for the Second Amendment was as an insurance policy against our own government. I don’t mean to sound alarmist, but that’s the historical truth. I will write a column explaining more of these details. For now, suffice it to say that the Founding Fathers considered the greatest threat to liberty to be a national government that has acquired too much power. While America for more than two centuries has been the freest nation on earth, the Founding Fathers did not know what the future would hold. So, in keeping with the teachings of political philosophers such as John Locke, they decided that the people should all be armed. That, they claimed, was the ultimate insurance policy to keep the government in check and keep the people free.

These reasons are why the Second Amendment protects all of your rights. Whether freedom of religion, free speech, free press, free association, the right to protest the government, or our other rights, the Second Amendment allows you to protect those freedoms for yourselves and your loved ones.

The NRA is dedicated to protecting all of your rights under the Constitution. And by focusing on securing and advancing the Second Amendment, our mission is to make sure that your children and grandchildren enjoy the blessings of liberty, just as you and I do today.


America is a Constitutional Republic.

Americans are governed by a Constitution.....by a Rule of Law.

The Second Amendment to that Constitution....the Law of the Land....is most central to all the other Unalienable Rights.


Now, how does this affect us here in Australia?



Well, like it or not, the Right to Self-Defense is an Unalienable Right, not a bestowment of any government, & as such it is not within the legitimate powers of any government to usurp, because the Right to Self-Defense was bestowed upon all mankind by our Creator......a much higher authority than any mere mortal government, or political system.

Just as no legitimate government can usurp a free man's Right to Self-Defense, a free man is also the only one who can determine what he may or may not choose to use in his defense, based on his needs at that moment when his defense becomes necessary to him.




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I don't think the American, "Panther", understands Medicare, Bojack.   It's "socialism" to him and shouldn't be trusted.

As to the NRA being "the enemy", they are only an enemy to freedom, truth and justice - the very things they proclaim are the "American way" (as the old Superman series used to proclaim).  They cannot accept that people in Australia don't want semi-automatic firearms in the way they apparently thirst for them.    Roll Eyes



I loved semi-autos, my favs were the SLR & AR 15. Excellent hunting weapons.

Not everyone is terrified of a chemical process contained in an inanimate object made of metal, plastic & wood.  Smiley


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Brian Ross wrote on Dec 8th, 2016 at 5:38pm:
I don't think the American, "Panther", understands Medicare, Bojack.   It's "socialism" to him and shouldn't be trusted.

As to the NRA being "the enemy", they are only an enemy to freedom, truth and justice - the very things they proclaim are the "American way" (as the old Superman series used to proclaim).  They cannot accept that people in Australia don't want semi-automatic firearms in the way they apparently thirst for them.    Roll Eyes



I loved semi-autos, my favs were the SLR & AR 15. Excellent hunting weapons.

Not everyone is terrified of a chemical process contained in an inanimate object made of metal, plastic & wood.  Smiley


I am not terrified by them either.  I am frightened of the loons like Baron and Co. who desire to have access to these weapons simply because it suits their purposes.  They give no consideration as to what the consequences would be.   We only need to look across the Pacific to the US to see that.  Their society is sick and it shows in their murder statistics.   Roll Eyes
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Brian Ross wrote on Dec 10th, 2016 at 11:21pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Dec 9th, 2016 at 3:44pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 8th, 2016 at 5:38pm:
I don't think the American, "Panther", understands Medicare, Bojack.   It's "socialism" to him and shouldn't be trusted.

As to the NRA being "the enemy", they are only an enemy to freedom, truth and justice - the very things they proclaim are the "American way" (as the old Superman series used to proclaim).  They cannot accept that people in Australia don't want semi-automatic firearms in the way they apparently thirst for them.    Roll Eyes



I loved semi-autos, my favs were the SLR & AR 15. Excellent hunting weapons.

Not everyone is terrified of a chemical process contained in an inanimate object made of metal, plastic & wood.  Smiley


I am not terrified by them either.  I am frightened of the loons like Baron and Co. who desire to have access to these weapons simply because it suits their purposes.  They give no consideration as to what the consequences would be.   We only need to look across the Pacific to the US to see that.  Their society is sick and it shows in their murder statistics.   Roll Eyes



Obama supporters in the big cities account for nearly all violence statistics.

The country is divided in blue states and red states by voting patterns. The states are further divided by blue counties and red counties. If you are in the red areas you are safer than in your own home. If you are in the blue areas you are probably just as safe. If on the other hand you associate with the criminal element chances are things can go very badly for you!

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Baron, Panther, all the other gun nuts tell us there is nothing to fear from unregulated firearms ownership!   Roll Eyes


Can you cite where I have ever said we should have unregulated gun ownership or did you pluck that strawman from your ass?

I can see why nobody sticks around in your forum you tell too many lies.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Brian Ross wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 1:51pm:
Baron, Panther, all the other gun nuts tell us there is nothing to fear from unregulated firearms ownership!   Roll Eyes


Can you cite where I have ever said we should have unregulated gun ownership or did you pluck that strawman from your ass?

I can see why nobody sticks around in your forum you tell too many lies.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


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I've always said..,...if you have a violent mental illness history, or you have been diagnosed as mentally ill, you should never be permitted to own or use a firearm, or any type of weapon for that matter.

Also, if you have a criminal record, especially a violent criminal history, & you have served 1 year or more in prison, you should never be permitted to own or use a firearm, or any type of weapon for that matter.

Everyone else, male or female of age, who wishes to own, keep, &/or carry a firearm should not be kept from doing so after passing an extensive background check, to be conducted & completed within a short, but reasonable time....say 3 to 5 days. The potential gun owner needs not provide any reason(s) for desiring said firearms, & if stated willfully & voluntarily, the potential use for self-defense would be a completely acceptable reason, & never preclude them from ownership.  ...

That's quite restrictive in my view.....but not for some bed-wetters.
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Brian Ross wrote on Nov 26th, 2016 at 1:51pm:
Baron, Panther, all the other gun nuts tell us there is nothing to fear from unregulated firearms ownership!   Roll Eyes


Can you cite where I have ever said we should have unregulated gun ownership or did you pluck that strawman from your ass?


*SIGH*, you are always railing against the regulation of some firearm or other or all firearms, Baron.  What else are we supposed to think about your opinions?

Do you support the licensing of firearms owners?
Do you support the regulation of the types of firearms that owners can own?
Do you support the banning of certain types of firearms, considered too dangerous for firearms owners to have access to?

You have spoken out regularly against all three of those aspects of regulation...   Roll Eyes
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Brian Ross wrote on Dec 10th, 2016 at 11:21pm:
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Brian Ross wrote on Dec 8th, 2016 at 5:38pm:
I don't think the American, "Panther", understands Medicare, Bojack.   It's "socialism" to him and shouldn't be trusted.

As to the NRA being "the enemy", they are only an enemy to freedom, truth and justice - the very things they proclaim are the "American way" (as the old Superman series used to proclaim).  They cannot accept that people in Australia don't want semi-automatic firearms in the way they apparently thirst for them.    Roll Eyes



I loved semi-autos, my favs were the SLR & AR 15. Excellent hunting weapons.

Not everyone is terrified of a chemical process contained in an inanimate object made of metal, plastic & wood.  Smiley


I am not terrified by them either.  I am frightened of the loons like Baron and Co. who desire to have access to these weapons simply because it suits their purposes.  They give no consideration as to what the consequences would be.   We only need to look across the Pacific to the US to see that.  Their society is sick and it shows in their murder statistics.   Roll Eyes



Obama supporters in the big cities account for nearly all violence statistics.


Evidence, please.  Or is this merely your usual, foundless, opinion again?  Roll Eyes

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Yet the statistics suggest otherwise.  Over 70,000 deaths from firearms in a single year!  Disgusting!   Roll Eyes
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I've always said..,...if you have a violent mental illness history, or you have been diagnosed as mentally ill, you should never be permitted to own or use a firearm, or any type of weapon for that matter.


So, you support the confiscation of firearms from the "mentally ill"?

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You appear to oppose the regulated ownership of firearms (ie, you support essentially unregulated ownership).  My, how American of you and so at odds with what the overwhelming majority of Australians believe...   Roll Eyes
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The right to be part of an antiquated militia system is the reason for the second amendment.

99% of armed US citizens will never be a part of such a group

You know this is the same sort of structure that the US claimed was not legitimate in Afghanistan in reference to the northern alliance.

One of the problems with the US constitution is that antiquated provisions like this are stuck in the agreement for no valid reason.
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Reply #46 - Dec 11th, 2016 at 1:57pm
 
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Panther wrote on Dec 11th, 2016 at 12:59pm:
I've always said..,...if you have a violent mental illness history, or you have been diagnosed as mentally ill, you should never be permitted to own or use a firearm, or any type of weapon for that matter.


So, you support the confiscation of firearms from the "mentally ill"?

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Also, if you have a criminal record, especially a violent criminal history, & you have served 1 year or more in prison, you should never be permitted to own or use a firearm, or any type of weapon for that matter.


So, that covers legal firearms.  1 year appears rather arbitrary though.  Surely it should be on the seriousness of the crime?

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Everyone else, male or female of age, who wishes to own, keep, &/or carry a firearm should not be kept from doing so after passing an extensive background check, to be conducted & completed within a short, but reasonable time....say 3 to 5 days. The potential gun owner needs not provide any reason(s) for desiring said firearms, & if stated willfully & voluntarily, the potential use for self-defense would be a completely acceptable reason, & never preclude them from ownership.  http://www.33sm.ml/smileys/cleanteeth09.gif


So, no restrictions on the type of firearm that can be owned?   No regulation as far as age is concerned?   No regulation as far as training/ability is concerned?

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That's quite restrictive in my view.....but not for some bed-wetters.  Roll Eyes


You appear to oppose the regulated ownership of firearms (ie, you support essentially unregulated ownership).  My, how American of you and so at odds with what the overwhelming majority of Australians believe...   Roll Eyes


So, no restrictions on the type of firearm that can be owned?


Maybe restrict the sale & ownership of RPGs & Machine guns, unless made permanently unusable, otherwise all handguns & rifles (semi-auto or not) would be perfectly acceptable.


No regulation as far as age is concerned?

Can't you read.....I said "of age",  which I would think over 21 or say 24 to be about right.

1 year appears rather arbitrary though.  Surely it should be on the seriousness of the crime?


If a person is deprived of their freedom & liberty for over 1 year, that would be for something pretty serious, but regardless of reason, it should preclude them...simple, & easy.

So, you support the confiscation of firearms from the "m entally ill"?

If a person is determined/diagnosed as mentally ill, with a condition that would cause them to potentially become violent....where firearm possession & ownership would be normally & logically unacceptable, any known firearms they posses should be removed from them immediately upon such determination & or diagnosis.




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The Second Amendment:
The Right protecting ALL the other Unalienable Rights.






The right to be part of an antiquated militia system is the reason for the second amendment.

99% of armed US citizens will never be a part of such a group

You know this is the same sort of structure that the US claimed was not legitimate in Afghanistan in reference to the northern alliance.

One of the problems with the US constitution is that antiquated provisions like this are stuck in the agreement for no valid reason.


You have the right to your own personal opinions & points of view.

That's your personal prerogative.

As for the US Constitution, the U.S. Supreme Court.......who, btw, has the final say in America regarding such matters......differs dramatically with your meager personal assessments & "interpretations".

In closing, you said "99% of armed US citizens will never be a part of such a group" ....... To the contrary, they ARE the Militia .... each & every one of them.
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The right to be part of an antiquated militia system is the reason for the second amendment.

99% of armed US citizens will never be a part of such a group

You know this is the same sort of structure that the US claimed was not legitimate in Afghanistan in reference to the northern alliance.

One of the problems with the US constitution is that antiquated provisions like this are stuck in the agreement for no valid reason.


The Second Amendment was always about protecting us from an unjust government. When every other means of resistance is exhausted armed resistance is all that is left. It doesn't matter if you like that or not, our culture only recently started teaching subservience to government. It is an amazing tragedy what has happened to the culture of the US these last eight years!
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Reply #49 - Dec 12th, 2016 at 8:36am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11th, 2016 at 1:12pm:
Mortdooley wrote on Dec 11th, 2016 at 12:41am:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 10th, 2016 at 11:21pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Dec 9th, 2016 at 3:44pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 8th, 2016 at 5:38pm:
I don't think the American, "Panther", understands Medicare, Bojack.   It's "socialism" to him and shouldn't be trusted.

As to the NRA being "the enemy", they are only an enemy to freedom, truth and justice - the very things they proclaim are the "American way" (as the old Superman series used to proclaim).  They cannot accept that people in Australia don't want semi-automatic firearms in the way they apparently thirst for them.    Roll Eyes



I loved semi-autos, my favs were the SLR & AR 15. Excellent hunting weapons.

Not everyone is terrified of a chemical process contained in an inanimate object made of metal, plastic & wood.  Smiley


I am not terrified by them either.  I am frightened of the loons like Baron and Co. who desire to have access to these weapons simply because it suits their purposes.  They give no consideration as to what the consequences would be.   We only need to look across the Pacific to the US to see that.  Their society is sick and it shows in their murder statistics.   Roll Eyes



Obama supporters in the big cities account for nearly all violence statistics.


Evidence, please.  Or is this merely your usual, foundless, opinion again?  Roll Eyes

Find your own links, I've done it before and it never seems to make a difference.


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Yet the statistics suggest otherwise.  Over 70,000 deaths from firearms in a single year!  Disgusting!   Roll Eyes



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States


Actually it is a little over eleven thousand deaths, since your culture legalized euthanasia we will exclude the twenty one thousand people that voluntarily shot themselves. That is a small number for a population of over three hundred million!
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Reply #50 - Dec 12th, 2016 at 4:00pm
 
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States

Actually it is a little over eleven thousand deaths, since your culture legalized euthanasia we will exclude the twenty one thousand people that voluntarily shot themselves. That is a small number for a population of over three hundred million!


Sorry?  We have "legalised euthanasia"?  Really?  I am amazed!  First I've heard of it!   Roll Eyes

I much prefer this website for firearms related deaths and injuries in the US.    Roll Eyes

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Reply #51 - Dec 12th, 2016 at 4:12pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 10th, 2016 at 11:21pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Dec 9th, 2016 at 3:44pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 8th, 2016 at 5:38pm:
I don't think the American, "Panther", understands Medicare, Bojack.   It's "socialism" to him and shouldn't be trusted.

As to the NRA being "the enemy", they are only an enemy to freedom, truth and justice - the very things they proclaim are the "American way" (as the old Superman series used to proclaim).  They cannot accept that people in Australia don't want semi-automatic firearms in the way they apparently thirst for them.    Roll Eyes



I loved semi-autos, my favs were the SLR & AR 15. Excellent hunting weapons.

Not everyone is terrified of a chemical process contained in an inanimate object made of metal, plastic & wood.  Smiley


I am not terrified by them either.  I am frightened of the loons like Baron and Co. who desire to have access to these weapons simply because it suits their purposes.  They give no consideration as to what the consequences would be.   We only need to look across the Pacific to the US to see that.  Their society is sick and it shows in their murder statistics.   Roll Eyes



I am all for doing everything possible about ensuring loons and the intellectually deficients never have access to weapons, but that is not what we did.

We carried on and continue to carry on like frightened children; p1ssing our collective pantaloons at the mere mention of the word, gun


How Australia carries on about firearms is an embarrassment.

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Reply #52 - Dec 12th, 2016 at 5:02pm
 
BigOl64 wrote on Dec 12th, 2016 at 4:12pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 10th, 2016 at 11:21pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Dec 9th, 2016 at 3:44pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 8th, 2016 at 5:38pm:
I don't think the American, "Panther", understands Medicare, Bojack.   It's "socialism" to him and shouldn't be trusted.

As to the NRA being "the enemy", they are only an enemy to freedom, truth and justice - the very things they proclaim are the "American way" (as the old Superman series used to proclaim).  They cannot accept that people in Australia don't want semi-automatic firearms in the way they apparently thirst for them.    Roll Eyes



I loved semi-autos, my favs were the SLR & AR 15. Excellent hunting weapons.

Not everyone is terrified of a chemical process contained in an inanimate object made of metal, plastic & wood.  Smiley


I am not terrified by them either.  I am frightened of the loons like Baron and Co. who desire to have access to these weapons simply because it suits their purposes.  They give no consideration as to what the consequences would be.   We only need to look across the Pacific to the US to see that.  Their society is sick and it shows in their murder statistics.   Roll Eyes


I am all for doing everything possible about ensuring loons and the intellectually deficients never have access to weapons, but that is not what we did.


Wasn't it?  We forced the loons and the intellectually deficients to hand in their dangerous semi-automatic longarms and pump-action (and now lever actions) shotguns.  They were able to, once they became members of responsible firearms owning associations, replace them with other firearms, considered less dangerous and more difficult to kill large numbers of people with.

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We carried on and continue to carry on like frightened children; p1ssing our collective pantaloons at the mere mention of the word, gun


I don't.   I don't know of any people who act that way, except those who create the fantasy that they exist.

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How Australia carries on about firearms is an embarrassment.


Not according to the more intelligent in America.  We have solved the firearms regulation puzzle which they find too hard to solve.

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How Australia carries on about firearms is an embarrassment.


Not according to the more intelligent in America.  We have solved the firearms regulation puzzle which they find too hard to solve.



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"Not according to  the more intelligent the Frothing Gun-Grabbing Extreme-Left in America."


Not to hard to solve ..... impossible to solve in their eyes, because they have something we don't have to contend with here in Australia .... much to their gun-grabbing chagrin ..... they have to deal with a Sacred & Revered U.S. Constitution.....& they have to deal with the Second Amendment of that Constitution ..... which, unless repealed through the extremely rigorous 
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Reply #54 - Dec 12th, 2016 at 6:24pm
 
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Wasn't it?  We forced the loons and the intellectually deficients to hand in their dangerous semi-automatic longarms and pump-action (and now lever actions) shotguns.  They were able to, once they became members of responsible firearms owning associations, replace them with other firearms, considered less dangerous and more difficult to kill large numbers of people with.




That one statement pretty much destroyed any standing you had.


You are no different than the rest of the puppy hysterics. Better luck bullsh1tting someone else, I have your mark.


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Reply #55 - Dec 12th, 2016 at 6:48pm
 
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Brian Ross wrote on Dec 12th, 2016 at 5:02pm:
Wasn't it?  We forced the loons and the intellectually deficients to hand in their dangerous semi-automatic longarms and pump-action (and now lever actions) shotguns.  They were able to, once they became members of responsible firearms owning associations, replace them with other firearms, considered less dangerous and more difficult to kill large numbers of people with.



That one statement pretty much destroyed any standing you had.

You are no different than the rest of the puppy hysterics. Better luck bullsh1tting someone else, I have your mark.


Like most gun nuts you are intolerant of differences of opinion, Big'Ol64.   The only person displaying hysteria around here is yourself.   Roll Eyes
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More evidence of how sick American society is:

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More evidence of how stupid you are:

Murder rate by 100,000 inhabitants by country:
US = 3.9
Iran = 3.9
Maldives = 3.9
Thailand = 3.9
Latvia = 3.9



Albania = 4.0
Mongolia = 7.5
Russia = 9.5
Mexico = 15.7
Brazil = 24.9
South Africa = 33
Venezuela = 62
Honduras = 84.6

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate
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Reply #58 - Dec 18th, 2016 at 7:35pm
 
Interesting, comparing dislike years for dislike years, Frank.   You of course wouldn't be telling porkies, now would you?

Now, you really should compare the statistics for the same year, for each country to each other country.

You also seem to be mistake "shot" for "murder", two very dissimilar events.   Again, you wouldn't be telling us porkies, now would, you, Frank?   Roll Eyes
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Reply #59 - Dec 18th, 2016 at 8:28pm
 
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Brian Ross wrote on Dec 18th, 2016 at 4:56pm:



More evidence of how stupid you are:

Murder rate by 100,000 inhabitants by country:
US = 3.9
Iran = 3.9
Maldives = 3.9
Thailand = 3.9
Latvia = 3.9



Albania = 4.0
Mongolia = 7.5
Russia = 9.5
Mexico = 15.7
Brazil = 24.9
South Africa = 33
Venezuela = 62
Honduras = 84.6

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate


You know that most if not all of those allow guns, the countries that don't typically have numbers after the decimal point. Like Australia 0.9 etc
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Reply #60 - Dec 18th, 2016 at 8:32pm
 
Mortdooley wrote on Dec 12th, 2016 at 8:36am:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11th, 2016 at 1:12pm:
Mortdooley wrote on Dec 11th, 2016 at 12:41am:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 10th, 2016 at 11:21pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Dec 9th, 2016 at 3:44pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 8th, 2016 at 5:38pm:
I don't think the American, "Panther", understands Medicare, Bojack.   It's "socialism" to him and shouldn't be trusted.

As to the NRA being "the enemy", they are only an enemy to freedom, truth and justice - the very things they proclaim are the "American way" (as the old Superman series used to proclaim).  They cannot accept that people in Australia don't want semi-automatic firearms in the way they apparently thirst for them.    Roll Eyes



I loved semi-autos, my favs were the SLR & AR 15. Excellent hunting weapons.

Not everyone is terrified of a chemical process contained in an inanimate object made of metal, plastic & wood.  Smiley


I am not terrified by them either.  I am frightened of the loons like Baron and Co. who desire to have access to these weapons simply because it suits their purposes.  They give no consideration as to what the consequences would be.   We only need to look across the Pacific to the US to see that.  Their society is sick and it shows in their murder statistics.   Roll Eyes



Obama supporters in the big cities account for nearly all violence statistics.


Evidence, please.  Or is this merely your usual, foundless, opinion again?  Roll Eyes

Find your own links, I've done it before and it never seems to make a difference.


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Yet the statistics suggest otherwise.  Over 70,000 deaths from firearms in a single year!  Disgusting!   Roll Eyes



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States


Actually it is a little over eleven thousand deaths, since your culture legalized euthanasia we will exclude the twenty one thousand people that voluntarily shot themselves. That is a small number for a population of over three hundred million!


we will exclude the twenty one thousand people that voluntarily shot themselves.


Why would you do that ? How many of those really shot themselves ?

You find it easy to dismiss 21,000 gun related deaths.

Sorry but you have to count them all.
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According to the United Nations, 2,473,018 people died in the United States in 2008.

That comes to  6,775 per day.   

Of those 2,473,018 deaths from all causes 12,200  were gun related deaths,  or   0.0049332435105608% (less than 1/2 of 1% of all deaths)

http://unstats.un.org/unsd/demographic/products/vitstats/serATab3.pdf


According to the CDC ... Center for Disease Control,  in the U.S.A. 2,596,993 people died from all causes in 2013. 

That comes to  7,115 per day.

Of those 10,700 were gun related deaths, or  0.0041201497270112%   (again, less than 1/2 of 1% of all deaths)

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf



Less than 1/2 of 1%.......Low numbers in a free & open society of 325+ million, but there's always room for improvement.....better firearm safety education, the enforcement of gun laws already on the books, especially the apprehension & prosecution of violent criminals, & improvements to the diagnosis & treatment of the mentally ill.


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BTW.....neither the US Obama Government run CDC, nor the United Nations include firearm suicide in their tabulations of firearms homicide, maybe they believe as I do, that firearm suicide, as is all suicide.....in the end......is actually a public service, rather than a form of violent crime.

The also don't include the over 600,000 abortions each year in America as homicides either.




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How...uncaring.    Roll Eyes



The Price of Freedom[/b] ....... just like those who die of Sclerosis of the Liver due to excessive drinking, or lung disease because of excessive smoking, etc....etc.....etc..... the list is never ending. Though you wish you could, you can't ban everything & still have a free society. Liberty has it's costs. Wink


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More evidence of how stupid you are:

Murder rate by 100,000 inhabitants by country:
US = 3.9
Iran = 3.9
Maldives = 3.9
Thailand = 3.9
Latvia = 3.9




Albania = 4.0
Mongolia = 7.5
Russia = 9.5
Mexico = 15.7
Brazil = 24.9
South Africa = 33
Venezuela = 62
Honduras = 84.6

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate


You know that most if not all of those allow guns, the countries that don't typically have numbers after the decimal point. Like Australia 0.9 etc

Frau Blucher (aka Brian) forgot to mention how sick Iran, Thailand, Latvia and the Maldives also must be - they have exactly the same murder rate as the US.

But Frau Blucher is a selective, progressive pseudo-intellectual bedwetter.



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Brian Ross wrote on Dec 19th, 2016 at 5:26pm:
Panther wrote on Dec 19th, 2016 at 3:55pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 19th, 2016 at 3:33pm:
How...uncaring.    Roll Eyes



The Price of Freedom[/b] ....... just like those who die of Sclerosis of the Liver due to excessive drinking, or lung disease because of excessive smoking, etc....etc.....etc..... the list is never ending. Though you wish you could, you can't ban everything & still have a free society. Liberty has it's costs. Wink


Amazing that you're willing to sacrifice your fellow citizens so readily, Panther.  Tsk, tsk.  As I've said, so...uncaring.    Roll Eyes


And Bwian, you'd leave them defenseless against criminals who wouldn't hesitate to kill them. 

An armed public saves lives, way more lives than take lives ......  with firearms that you'd rather see them without....so detached from reality you are.

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Brian Ross wrote on Dec 18th, 2016 at 7:35pm:
Interesting, comparing dislike years for dislike years, Frank.   You of course wouldn't be telling porkies, now would you?

Now, you really should compare the statistics for the same year, for each country to each other country.

You also seem to be mistake "shot" for "murder", two very dissimilar events.   Again, you wouldn't be telling us porkies, now would, you, Frank?   Roll Eyes

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You stupid, pretentious, vain old idiot!!!  "interesting, comparing dislike years for dislike years"????

And a murder rate 20+ times higher than the US's is to be passed over in silence because there is a difference between "shot" and "murdered" for Frau Blucher, tut tut, don't you know (but no difference for the victims, of course, but do not let them detain Mrs Blucher, the self-styled intellectuel).

I can't believe how stupendously stupid you are and yet you haven't been run over by a bus decades ago. Just uncanny.






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Reply #68 - Dec 19th, 2016 at 7:20pm
 
Frank wrote on Dec 19th, 2016 at 6:33pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 18th, 2016 at 7:35pm:
Interesting, comparing dislike years for dislike years, Frank.   You of course wouldn't be telling porkies, now would you?

Now, you really should compare the statistics for the same year, for each country to each other country.

You also seem to be mistake "shot" for "murder", two very dissimilar events.   Again, you wouldn't be telling us porkies, now would, you, Frank?   Roll Eyes

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You stupid, pretentious, vain old idiot!!!  "interesting, comparing dislike years for dislike years"????

And a murder rate 20+ times higher than the US's is to be passed over in silence because there is a difference between "shot" and "murdered" for Frau Blucher, tut tut, don't you know (but no difference for the victims, of course, but do not let them detain Mrs Blucher, the self-styled intellectuel).

I can't believe how stupendously stupid you are and yet you haven't been run over by a bus decades ago. Just uncanny.


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By?  John Lott, a known gun nut...  Tsk, tsk, Frank, really?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #71 - Dec 21st, 2016 at 4:19pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 21st, 2016 at 2:44pm:
Frank wrote on Dec 21st, 2016 at 11:41am:


By?  John Lott, a known gun nut...  Tsk, tsk, Frank, really?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



Mr. Lott doesn't even own a firearm, but because the Constitution protects an individuals Right keep & bear arms, as intended by the American Founding Fathers without governmental interference, the extreme anti-firearm left, known wankers, would call him a "gun nut" because they can't intelligently debate that facts he presents, without straying deeply into fiction.


Constitutionally, he believes in strict constitutionalism, which basically means interpreting the Constitution as written, & intended, by the documents authors & their writings.


When President Donald J. Trump submits a strong Second Amendment Conservative to the Supreme Court to replace Scalia, & then with another, when Ginsburg either retires or dies, when confirmed the Unites States Supreme Court, & the Second Amendment ( the inalienable second Right in the American Bill of Rights), will be in safe hands for decades. Wink


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Panther wrote on Dec 21st, 2016 at 4:19pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 21st, 2016 at 2:44pm:
Frank wrote on Dec 21st, 2016 at 11:41am:


By?  John Lott, a known gun nut...  Tsk, tsk, Frank, really?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



Mr. Lott doesn't even own a firearm,


Evidence, please.  I can find no reference to John Lott owning or not owning a firearm.  Considering his advocacy of firearms ownership, I find it rather hard to believe he doesn't own one or more.

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Constitutionally, he believes in strict constitutionalism, which basically means interpreting the Constitution as written, & intended, by the documents authors & their writings.


So, he doesn't believe that fully-automatic longarms should be regulated then?  Tsk, tsk.

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When Trump does as his master in Moscow tells him...    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Brian Ross wrote on Dec 21st, 2016 at 2:44pm:
Frank wrote on Dec 21st, 2016 at 11:41am:


By?  John Lott, a known gun nut...  Tsk, tsk, Frank, really?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes




A biased opinion from an anti-gun hysteric tsk tsk, brian really


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BigOl64 wrote on Dec 21st, 2016 at 5:13pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 21st, 2016 at 2:44pm:
Frank wrote on Dec 21st, 2016 at 11:41am:


By?  John Lott, a known gun nut...  Tsk, tsk, Frank, really?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


A biased opinion from an anti-gun hysteric tsk tsk, brian really


Oh, dear, oh, dear, you feel the need to attack me, personally?  Tsk, tsk.  How hilarious! Roll Eyes
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You mean by people who analyse and ask Dr. Lott his reasons for writing what he did?  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes
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Brian Ross wrote on Dec 21st, 2016 at 5:18pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Dec 21st, 2016 at 5:13pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 21st, 2016 at 2:44pm:
Frank wrote on Dec 21st, 2016 at 11:41am:


By?  John Lott, a known gun nut...  Tsk, tsk, Frank, really?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


A biased opinion from an anti-gun hysteric tsk tsk, brian really


Oh, dear, oh, dear, you feel the need to attack me, personally?  Tsk, tsk.  How hilarious! Roll Eyes




I have no problems attacking an hysterical anti-gun nut whose every post is based solely on that bias. Nothing personal, you understand.  Smiley Smiley

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Brian Ross wrote on Dec 21st, 2016 at 5:21pm:
Panther wrote on Dec 21st, 2016 at 5:19pm:


You mean by people who analyse and ask Dr. Lott his reasons for writing what he did?  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes


You should be more intelligent than that by recognizing those editorials for what they are/were....political attack pieces, solely to smear the Mr. Lott rather than presenting facts.....tsk..tsk..tsk.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

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BigOl64 wrote on Dec 21st, 2016 at 5:38pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 21st, 2016 at 5:18pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Dec 21st, 2016 at 5:13pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 21st, 2016 at 2:44pm:
Frank wrote on Dec 21st, 2016 at 11:41am:


By?  John Lott, a known gun nut...  Tsk, tsk, Frank, really?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


A biased opinion from an anti-gun hysteric tsk tsk, brian really


Oh, dear, oh, dear, you feel the need to attack me, personally?  Tsk, tsk.  How hilarious! Roll Eyes


I have no problems attacking an hysterical anti-gun nut whose every post is based solely on that bias. Nothing personal, you understand.  Smiley Smiley


Of course not.  I wonder why you don't attack the hysterical pro-gun nuts, Bigol64?  Mmmm?   Roll Eyes
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Panther wrote on Dec 21st, 2016 at 5:42pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 21st, 2016 at 5:21pm:
Panther wrote on Dec 21st, 2016 at 5:19pm:


You mean by people who analyse and ask Dr. Lott his reasons for writing what he did?  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes


You should be more intelligent than that by recognizing those editorials for what they are/were....political attack pieces, solely to smear the Mr. Lott rather than presenting facts.....tsk..tsk..tsk.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Seems you don't like people who ask intelligent questions, Panther.  I wonder what you have to hide from their probes?    Roll Eyes
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Brian Ross wrote on Dec 21st, 2016 at 6:36pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Dec 21st, 2016 at 5:38pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 21st, 2016 at 5:18pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Dec 21st, 2016 at 5:13pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 21st, 2016 at 2:44pm:
Frank wrote on Dec 21st, 2016 at 11:41am:


By?  John Lott, a known gun nut...  Tsk, tsk, Frank, really?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


A biased opinion from an anti-gun hysteric tsk tsk, brian really


Oh, dear, oh, dear, you feel the need to attack me, personally?  Tsk, tsk.  How hilarious! Roll Eyes


I have no problems attacking an hysterical anti-gun nut whose every post is based solely on that bias. Nothing personal, you understand.  Smiley Smiley


Of course not.  I wonder why you don't attack the hysterical pro-gun nuts, Bigol64?  Mmmm?   Roll Eyes




Your hysterical outbursts are more than enough to cover the issues.


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Texan Homeowner Turns the Tables on Violent Intruder




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A Texan man put a burglar in the hospital Monday after he harmed his brother and attempted to rob his home.

According to police, at approximately 2:25 a.m. Monday morning, the homeowner’s brother heard a knock on the door. He asked who was there but received no response. He then heard another knock and a number of gunshots before the door was kicked in.

The homeowner’s brother crawled to the kitchen but was pursued by one of the invaders. The man beat him with the butt of his gun.

All the commotion caused the homeowner to wake up. He went into the kitchen to find a stranger attacking his brother.

He quickly ran back to his bedroom to tell his wife to call the police. He then grabbed his own firearm before going out to help his brother.

The homeowner struck the attacker in the back with his first shot. Police say the injury was non-life-threatening.

Police have yet to find the other intruder.


Simply due to the  Castle Doctrine,   no charges will ever be laid upon the self-defending, unlicensed homeowner.
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In the criminal law of Australia, self-defence is a legal defence to a charge of causing injury or death in defence of the person or, to a limited extent, property, or a partial defence to murder if the degree of force used was excessive.


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BigOl64 wrote on Dec 21st, 2016 at 6:42pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 21st, 2016 at 6:36pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Dec 21st, 2016 at 5:38pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 21st, 2016 at 5:18pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Dec 21st, 2016 at 5:13pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 21st, 2016 at 2:44pm:
Frank wrote on Dec 21st, 2016 at 11:41am:


By?  John Lott, a known gun nut...  Tsk, tsk, Frank, really?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


A biased opinion from an anti-gun hysteric tsk tsk, brian really


Oh, dear, oh, dear, you feel the need to attack me, personally?  Tsk, tsk.  How hilarious! Roll Eyes


I have no problems attacking an hysterical anti-gun nut whose every post is based solely on that bias. Nothing personal, you understand.  Smiley Smiley


Of course not.  I wonder why you don't attack the hysterical pro-gun nuts, Bigol64?  Mmmm?   Roll Eyes


Your hysterical outbursts are more than enough to cover the issues.


Yet you remain silent on the more outrageous claims made by the gun-nuts...   Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes
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A Bad guy with a gun taken out by Good guy with a gun, stopping yet another
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Police: Customer with concealed carry license
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A robbery was thwarted at a Southwest Side corner store Saturday night when a patron with a concealed carry license shot and killed an armed robber, authorities said.

The dead man has been identified as Reginald Gildersleeve, 55, of the 5000 block of South California Avenue, according to the Cook County medical examiner's office. Gildersleeve was pronounced dead on the scene at 7:10 p.m., according to the medical examiner's office. An autopsy is slated for Sunday.

Citing preliminary information, police said a man walked into a store in the 2700 block of West 51st Street in the Gage Park neighborhood around 7 p.m., announced a robbery to an employee working behind the counter and displayed a handgun.

Another employee came from the back of the store, and the gunman pointed his weapon at her, police said. He then made her go to the back of the store, which also serves as a currency exchange.

After that, a customer who was also inside the business pulled out a gun and opened fire at the robber, killing him, police said. Police initially said the robber was possibly in his 40s.

Police said the shooter has a valid concealed carry license and a valid firearm owner's identification card.


Since the NRA won the right to Concealed Carry for Chicago Citizens in court, any citizen who passes a firearms instant (within 3 days) background check for Concealed Carry in Chicago, will not be denied his firearm of choice (usually a handgun), & a license to carry it, with virtually complete National reciprocity.


The NRA is presently in court arguing for "
Constitutional Carry
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Seems you don't like people who ask intelligent questions, Panther.  I wonder what you have to hide from their probes?    Roll Eyes 

You couldn't ask an intelligent question if your life depended on it,  Brian.  Received wisdom? Group think? Party line?  Count you in, always, for sure, best man for mindless parroting.
Intelligent question? Not you, Brian. You simply can't do it. Eyerolling is not intelligent and it's not a questions.
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Brian Ross wrote on Dec 21st, 2016 at 7:16pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Dec 21st, 2016 at 6:42pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 21st, 2016 at 6:36pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Dec 21st, 2016 at 5:38pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 21st, 2016 at 5:18pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Dec 21st, 2016 at 5:13pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 21st, 2016 at 2:44pm:
Frank wrote on Dec 21st, 2016 at 11:41am:


By?  John Lott, a known gun nut...  Tsk, tsk, Frank, really?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


A biased opinion from an anti-gun hysteric tsk tsk, brian really


Oh, dear, oh, dear, you feel the need to attack me, personally?  Tsk, tsk.  How hilarious! Roll Eyes


I have no problems attacking an hysterical anti-gun nut whose every post is based solely on that bias. Nothing personal, you understand.  Smiley Smiley


Of course not.  I wonder why you don't attack the hysterical pro-gun nuts, Bigol64?  Mmmm?   Roll Eyes


Your hysterical outbursts are more than enough to cover the issues.


Yet you remain silent on the more outrageous claims made by the gun-nuts...   Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes

Someone who has a different view to yours is not a 'gun nut', you hysterical, intolerant, stupid old aunty.
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When Trump does as his master in Moscow tells him...    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


You stupid, unhinged m0ron, you!!!!

I have overestimated you as the most dreadful little twerp around here - not counting gweg and karnal - but now you have revealed the full extent of your glorious fracking unhinged irrelevance due to insanity.

You are just more stupid than anyone expected.
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Frank wrote on Dec 21st, 2016 at 11:27pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 21st, 2016 at 4:46pm:
When Trump does as his master in Moscow tells him...    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


You stupid, unhinged m0ron, you!!!!

I have overestimated you as the most dreadful little twerp around here - not counting gweg and karnal - but now you have revealed the full extent of your glorious fracking unhinged irrelevance due to insanity.

You are just more stupid than anyone expected.


Tsk, tsk, just more ad hominem debate, hey, Frank?  A great substitute for real debate, isn't it?   Roll Eyes
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Frank wrote on Dec 21st, 2016 at 11:14pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 21st, 2016 at 6:37pm:
Seems you don't like people who ask intelligent questions, Panther.  I wonder what you have to hide from their probes?    Roll Eyes 

You couldn't ask an intelligent question if your life depended on it,  Brian.  Received wisdom? Group think? Party line?  Count you in, always, for sure, best man for mindless parroting.
Intelligent question? Not you, Brian. You simply can't do it. Eyerolling is not intelligent and it's not a questions.


Oh, dear, more ad hominem debate, Frank?  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes
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Cleveland Home Invasion Shows Need For
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A home owner in Cleveland managed to go at least two-for-three against a trio of armed home invaders Monday, night sending one fleeing for his life, one to the hospital, and another one to the morgue.

    One person is dead, another injured and a third person missing after a home invasion in Cleveland early Monday.

    The 911 Communications Center received a call on Monday at 12:01 a.m. regarding shots fired at Springbrook Apartments, 2360 Blackburn Road.

    Cleveland Police Department officers responded to apartment #93 where they found a deceased male, identified as Adam Johnson, 18.

    It was later discovered that a male juvenile, who fled the scene, had also been shot during the altercation and was transported by a private vehicle to Tennova.

    Witness statements assisted investigators in determining that a home invasion had occurred in apartment 93. During the invasion, three individuals, identified as Johnson, the male juvenile and an unidentified male, armed with handguns, forced entry into the apartment.

    At some point during the incident, an occupant in apartment 93 shot Johnson and the male juvenile. The third suspect, fled the scene and is still being sought by police.

This home invasion is sadly far from unique.

Home invasion crews numbering 3-5 or even more suspects are relatively common, and in most of these instances, each and every suspect is armed with some kind of weapon, typically a handgun.

While shotguns are devastating at short range, they typically suffer from low on-board ammo capacity of 5-8 rounds, leaving a home owner in a precarious position when fighting a group of home invaders.

Handguns are much less powerful than shotguns. We’ve had two shootings we’ve covered at Bearing Arms this week where officers fired at suspects seven times and eight times (respectively) before the individual the officer fired upon went down. If it takes a moderately well-trained police officer 7 or 8 shots to knock down a perceived threat, then how many rounds do you think you may need to defeat an entire home invasion crew composed of 3-5 individuals?

Suddenly, those standard capacity magazines holding 15-19 bullets common to many handguns don’t look like they’re carrying any extra ammunition. The 30-round magazines common to many carbines seems incredibly reasonable when you look at the context of an individual fighting to defend his family against an entire home invasion crew.

Firearms designers built the guns they did with the magazine capacities they chose to suit a specific purpose.

Maybe, just maybe, busybody lawmakers should sit down, shut up, and stop acting like they know much of anything at all, when they clearly do not.



Better to have more than enough, than being 1 shot short of enough!



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