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Re: The consquences of unregulated firearms ownership
Reply #60 - Dec 18th, 2016 at 8:32pm
 
Mortdooley wrote on Dec 12th, 2016 at 8:36am:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 11th, 2016 at 1:12pm:
Mortdooley wrote on Dec 11th, 2016 at 12:41am:
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BigOl64 wrote on Dec 9th, 2016 at 3:44pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 8th, 2016 at 5:38pm:
I don't think the American, "Panther", understands Medicare, Bojack.   It's "socialism" to him and shouldn't be trusted.

As to the NRA being "the enemy", they are only an enemy to freedom, truth and justice - the very things they proclaim are the "American way" (as the old Superman series used to proclaim).  They cannot accept that people in Australia don't want semi-automatic firearms in the way they apparently thirst for them.    Roll Eyes



I loved semi-autos, my favs were the SLR & AR 15. Excellent hunting weapons.

Not everyone is terrified of a chemical process contained in an inanimate object made of metal, plastic & wood.  Smiley


I am not terrified by them either.  I am frightened of the loons like Baron and Co. who desire to have access to these weapons simply because it suits their purposes.  They give no consideration as to what the consequences would be.   We only need to look across the Pacific to the US to see that.  Their society is sick and it shows in their murder statistics.   Roll Eyes



Obama supporters in the big cities account for nearly all violence statistics.


Evidence, please.  Or is this merely your usual, foundless, opinion again?  Roll Eyes

Find your own links, I've done it before and it never seems to make a difference.


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The country is divided in blue states and red states by voting patterns. The states are further divided by blue counties and red counties. If you are in the red areas you are safer than in your own home. If you are in the blue areas you are probably just as safe. If on the other hand you associate with the criminal element chances are things can go very badly for you!


Yet the statistics suggest otherwise.  Over 70,000 deaths from firearms in a single year!  Disgusting!   Roll Eyes



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States


Actually it is a little over eleven thousand deaths, since your culture legalized euthanasia we will exclude the twenty one thousand people that voluntarily shot themselves. That is a small number for a population of over three hundred million!


we will exclude the twenty one thousand people that voluntarily shot themselves.


Why would you do that ? How many of those really shot themselves ?

You find it easy to dismiss 21,000 gun related deaths.

Sorry but you have to count them all.
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Re: The consquences of unregulated firearms ownership
Reply #61 - Dec 19th, 2016 at 1:58pm
 
   

According to the United Nations, 2,473,018 people died in the United States in 2008.

That comes to  6,775 per day.   

Of those 2,473,018 deaths from all causes 12,200  were gun related deaths,  or   0.0049332435105608% (less than 1/2 of 1% of all deaths)

http://unstats.un.org/unsd/demographic/products/vitstats/serATab3.pdf


According to the CDC ... Center for Disease Control,  in the U.S.A. 2,596,993 people died from all causes in 2013. 

That comes to  7,115 per day.

Of those 10,700 were gun related deaths, or  0.0041201497270112%   (again, less than 1/2 of 1% of all deaths)

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf



Less than 1/2 of 1%.......Low numbers in a free & open society of 325+ million, but there's always room for improvement.....better firearm safety education, the enforcement of gun laws already on the books, especially the apprehension & prosecution of violent criminals, & improvements to the diagnosis & treatment of the mentally ill.


Noun: homicide
1. The killing of a human being by another human being


BTW.....neither the US Obama Government run CDC, nor the United Nations include firearm suicide in their tabulations of firearms homicide, maybe they believe as I do, that firearm suicide, as is all suicide.....in the end......is actually a public service, rather than a form of violent crime.

The also don't include the over 600,000 abortions each year in America as homicides either.




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Reply #62 - Dec 19th, 2016 at 3:33pm
 
How...uncaring.    Roll Eyes
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Reply #63 - Dec 19th, 2016 at 3:55pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 19th, 2016 at 3:33pm:
How...uncaring.    Roll Eyes



The Price of Freedom ....... just like those who die of Sclerosis of the Liver due to excessive drinking, or lung disease because of excessive smoking, etc....etc.....etc..... the list is never ending. Though you wish you could, you can't ban everything & still have a free society. Liberty has it's costs. Wink


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Reply #64 - Dec 19th, 2016 at 5:26pm
 
Panther wrote on Dec 19th, 2016 at 3:55pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 19th, 2016 at 3:33pm:
How...uncaring.    Roll Eyes



The Price of Freedom[/b] ....... just like those who die of Sclerosis of the Liver due to excessive drinking, or lung disease because of excessive smoking, etc....etc.....etc..... the list is never ending. Though you wish you could, you can't ban everything & still have a free society. Liberty has it's costs. Wink


Amazing that you're willing to sacrifice your fellow citizens so readily, Panther.  Tsk, tsk.  As I've said, so...uncaring.    Roll Eyes
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Re: The consquences of unregulated firearms ownership
Reply #65 - Dec 19th, 2016 at 6:01pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Dec 18th, 2016 at 8:28pm:
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More evidence of how stupid you are:

Murder rate by 100,000 inhabitants by country:
US = 3.9
Iran = 3.9
Maldives = 3.9
Thailand = 3.9
Latvia = 3.9




Albania = 4.0
Mongolia = 7.5
Russia = 9.5
Mexico = 15.7
Brazil = 24.9
South Africa = 33
Venezuela = 62
Honduras = 84.6

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate


You know that most if not all of those allow guns, the countries that don't typically have numbers after the decimal point. Like Australia 0.9 etc

Frau Blucher (aka Brian) forgot to mention how sick Iran, Thailand, Latvia and the Maldives also must be - they have exactly the same murder rate as the US.

But Frau Blucher is a selective, progressive pseudo-intellectual bedwetter.



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Reply #66 - Dec 19th, 2016 at 6:01pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 19th, 2016 at 5:26pm:
Panther wrote on Dec 19th, 2016 at 3:55pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 19th, 2016 at 3:33pm:
How...uncaring.    Roll Eyes



The Price of Freedom[/b] ....... just like those who die of Sclerosis of the Liver due to excessive drinking, or lung disease because of excessive smoking, etc....etc.....etc..... the list is never ending. Though you wish you could, you can't ban everything & still have a free society. Liberty has it's costs. Wink


Amazing that you're willing to sacrifice your fellow citizens so readily, Panther.  Tsk, tsk.  As I've said, so...uncaring.    Roll Eyes


And Bwian, you'd leave them defenseless against criminals who wouldn't hesitate to kill them. 

An armed public saves lives, way more lives than take lives ......  with firearms that you'd rather see them without....so detached from reality you are.

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Reply #67 - Dec 19th, 2016 at 6:33pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 18th, 2016 at 7:35pm:
Interesting, comparing dislike years for dislike years, Frank.   You of course wouldn't be telling porkies, now would you?

Now, you really should compare the statistics for the same year, for each country to each other country.

You also seem to be mistake "shot" for "murder", two very dissimilar events.   Again, you wouldn't be telling us porkies, now would, you, Frank?   Roll Eyes

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You stupid, pretentious, vain old idiot!!!  "interesting, comparing dislike years for dislike years"????

And a murder rate 20+ times higher than the US's is to be passed over in silence because there is a difference between "shot" and "murdered" for Frau Blucher, tut tut, don't you know (but no difference for the victims, of course, but do not let them detain Mrs Blucher, the self-styled intellectuel).

I can't believe how stupendously stupid you are and yet you haven't been run over by a bus decades ago. Just uncanny.






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Reply #68 - Dec 19th, 2016 at 7:20pm
 
Frank wrote on Dec 19th, 2016 at 6:33pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 18th, 2016 at 7:35pm:
Interesting, comparing dislike years for dislike years, Frank.   You of course wouldn't be telling porkies, now would you?

Now, you really should compare the statistics for the same year, for each country to each other country.

You also seem to be mistake "shot" for "murder", two very dissimilar events.   Again, you wouldn't be telling us porkies, now would, you, Frank?   Roll Eyes

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You stupid, pretentious, vain old idiot!!!  "interesting, comparing dislike years for dislike years"????

And a murder rate 20+ times higher than the US's is to be passed over in silence because there is a difference between "shot" and "murdered" for Frau Blucher, tut tut, don't you know (but no difference for the victims, of course, but do not let them detain Mrs Blucher, the self-styled intellectuel).

I can't believe how stupendously stupid you are and yet you haven't been run over by a bus decades ago. Just uncanny.


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Oh, poor, poor, Frankie.  You really are quite amusing, you realise?   Roll Eyes
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Reply #70 - Dec 21st, 2016 at 2:44pm
 
Frank wrote on Dec 21st, 2016 at 11:41am:


By?  John Lott, a known gun nut...  Tsk, tsk, Frank, really?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #71 - Dec 21st, 2016 at 4:19pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 21st, 2016 at 2:44pm:
Frank wrote on Dec 21st, 2016 at 11:41am:


By?  John Lott, a known gun nut...  Tsk, tsk, Frank, really?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



Mr. Lott doesn't even own a firearm, but because the Constitution protects an individuals Right keep & bear arms, as intended by the American Founding Fathers without governmental interference, the extreme anti-firearm left, known wankers, would call him a "gun nut" because they can't intelligently debate that facts he presents, without straying deeply into fiction.


Constitutionally, he believes in strict constitutionalism, which basically means interpreting the Constitution as written, & intended, by the documents authors & their writings.


When President Donald J. Trump submits a strong Second Amendment Conservative to the Supreme Court to replace Scalia, & then with another, when Ginsburg either retires or dies, when confirmed the Unites States Supreme Court, & the Second Amendment ( the inalienable second Right in the American Bill of Rights), will be in safe hands for decades. Wink


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Reply #72 - Dec 21st, 2016 at 4:46pm
 
Panther wrote on Dec 21st, 2016 at 4:19pm:
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By?  John Lott, a known gun nut...  Tsk, tsk, Frank, really?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



Mr. Lott doesn't even own a firearm,


Evidence, please.  I can find no reference to John Lott owning or not owning a firearm.  Considering his advocacy of firearms ownership, I find it rather hard to believe he doesn't own one or more.

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Constitutionally, he believes in strict constitutionalism, which basically means interpreting the Constitution as written, & intended, by the documents authors & their writings.


So, he doesn't believe that fully-automatic longarms should be regulated then?  Tsk, tsk.

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When President Donald J. Trump submits a strong Second Amendment Conservative to the Supreme Court to replace Scalia, & then with another, when Ginsburg either retires or dies, when confirmed the Unites States Supreme Court, & the Second Amendment ( the inalienable second Right in the American Bill of Rights), will be in safe hands for decades. Wink


When Trump does as his master in Moscow tells him...    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #74 - Dec 21st, 2016 at 5:13pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 21st, 2016 at 2:44pm:
Frank wrote on Dec 21st, 2016 at 11:41am:


By?  John Lott, a known gun nut...  Tsk, tsk, Frank, really?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes




A biased opinion from an anti-gun hysteric tsk tsk, brian really


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